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It's always smart to sign someone who has your oppositions playbook in their brain right before you play them. He may be gone from their practice squad right after the opener.

I know. The rules change.


This year teams can have a 3rd QB active, but he can only play if the first two QB get hurt and can't play. He is kind of the "extra" player who doesn't count against the 48 or however many players can be active on gameday.

It's a good rule. It stems from a playoff game last year. Maybe it was the 49's who lost both qb's and had to play a position player at QB. The 3rd guy isn't ideal but it's better than playing someone who maybe played some QB back in high school 12 years ago.

Can’t the player say no?

Can’t the player say no?

Browns officially re-sign DT Maurice Hurst II according to Maurice Hurst II

https://sports.yahoo.com/browns-officially-sign-dt-maurice-130222286.html

It appears as though Hurst is back on the 53 man roster.

glad Hurst is back

Brad Stainbrook
@StainbrookNFL
#Browns CB Denzel Ward (concussion) not practicing today. Not ideal.

He will be out for a good while. As fans we are best off not counting on him at all. How many games will he miss this time, then how many more plays before he bumps his head again?

Seriously, the guy needs to retire, he is too frail for the game.

I don't think it's a question of being too frail per say. It's a simple fact that goes along with concussions. After the first one you're more susceptible to a second one. A second one makes you more susceptible to a third one and so on. And it also makes you susceptible to the fact that each following concussion can and would likely be more severe. You can be a strong and conditioned athlete while still having concussion issues. I do think for his own future well being he should consider retirement.

I don't think any of that qualifies an athlete of being frail.

I expect him out his typical 4-6 weeks, so probably after the bye

I'm afraid you are right. Just too many concussions for DW.

Will Emerson take his spot?

most likely yes

Isn't Ward the player that Gregg Williams called out for poor tackling early in his career. He said he would get hurt tackling big WRs and TEs high. Soon after he suffered his first concussion. My memory isn't the best. Anyone else recall this?

You may not like the term frail, but it applies. I am not trying to say he is weak or anything like that. If it was boxing it would be called a glass jaw.

As you said, some people take a blow to the head better than others, and when it happens, it tends to remain a problem.

The guy really needs to retire is what he needs to do, but if he does that he gives up his contract. So, here we are, a player who can't play a great deal of the time.

The team needs to work out a buy out and tell the guy he needs to retire for his own good. Actually, the NFL, for their good needs to come up with some policy towards players who sustain multiple concussions. When the same guys keep sustaining them every year, that should end their football playing days. Have a uniform payout policy, and end it. If they want to continue playing somewhere else, that is on them, not the NFL.

I would imagine he would retire if it weren't for that $52 million guaranteed or whatever that he has left over the next 3 years. Unfortunately, I can't see a player turning that down, especially when you can just stay in the protocol for however long you want with self diagnosing symptoms.

You get it. All one has to do is say they have reoccurring headaches or blurred vision, or whatever. No M.D. is going to definitively say they don't or are faking symptoms.

exactly. They aren't touching that stuff. As long as Ward just shows up, he can be here for the duration of his deal

I'm still not convinced the word frail applies. But I certainly agree with you about the NFL. For all of the PR they put out about how important and concerned player safety is to them, one would think they should have a protocol in place that addresses multiple head injuries. To me it points out the old adage of "listnen not to what they say but watch what they do."

The outside foam padding was tried years ago (Willie Lanier of the Chiefs had a 3-4 wide band on top of his) but supposedly if two players rammed helmets head-to-head, the foam could "catch" and possibly twist their necks causing a serious spine injury. It was debated very intensely in the 1970s.

I'm actually kind of surprised they haven't looked into intracranial injections yet.

It's not the external force that necessarily causes the concussions. Its the brain "rattling around" inside the skull. You can have soft things hitting each other, but there will still be sudden acceleration/deceleration. People are going to hit "immovable" objects (i.e, the ground) and their internal organs (brains) are going to keep moving until something stops their movement internally.

edit: Yes, the idea of messing around inside the head is somewhat horrifying, but I don't see any other way of making a real impact on the problem.

The issue wasn't with traditional hard helmets because they carom off each other. Foam material can have a "grip" trait to it and the fear was two colliding together would "catch". Think gym shoe material or something. I don't have a specific occurrence, but the foam padding was used so seldom the odds were minute, but it was seriously a concern when this idea was being contemplated in the 1970s.

I am not saying it is likely, just that Willie Lanier's helmet padding in the 1970s was a concern for some and the discussion occurred. It was in response to why no one has come up with a soft outer shell.

Putting the players in old leather helmets would work. People would quit using their heads as battering rams. Players would try to tackle another player rather than try to hit the other player.

Dan Beebe use to wear a Kazoo Helmet.

So that's why he bounced like a pogo stick.

Ward needs to retire for his health moving forward, period. It might be that the Browns could come to some agreement with him regarding his contract. His continued playing isn’t worth it for his family.

Nor the Browns or NFL.

The guy has a frail skull. He has had 4-5 concussions to this point.

Either he is playing to take the money or playing to be a veggie in 20 years, at which point he will sue the Browns and NFL.


He is a Schmuck IMO if he doesn't retire .

Any update on Ward?

Trying to equate the intensity players use in practice to actual games is a non starter.

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