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Retiring Romney unleashes on GOP colleagues

The Atlantic's McKay Coppins is out with the first excerpt of his highly anticipated biography of Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), timed to the 2012 GOP presidential nominee's announcement today that he will not seek re-election.

Why it matters: Romney — the only GOP senator to vote to convict former President Trump in his first impeachment trial — was brutally honest about his Republican colleagues over the course of two years of interviews with Coppins, a fellow Utahn.

Highlights:

On Jan. 2, 2021, Romney texted Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to warn about extremist threats law enforcement had been tracking in connection with pro-Trump protests on Jan. 6. McConnell never responded.

Romney kept a tally of the dozen-plus times that Republican senators privately expressed solidarity with his criticism of Trump. "You're lucky," McConnell once told him. "You can say the things that we all think." A McConnell spokesman said the GOP leader does not recall this conversation and was "fully aligned" with Trump during the trial.

Romney shared a unique disgust for Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.) and Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who he thought were too smart to believe Trump won the 2020 election but "put politics above the interests of liberal democracy and the Constitution."

He also was highly critical of Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), who reinvented his persona to become a Trump acolyte after publishing a best-selling memoir about the working class that Romney loved. "I don't know that I can disrespect someone more than J. D. Vance," Romney said.

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After House impeachment managers finished a presentation about Trump's efforts to pressure Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, McConnell told Romney: "They nailed him."

Taken aback, Romney said Trump would argue he was just investigating alleged corruption by the Bidens — the subject of House Republicans' present-day impeachment inquiry.
"If you believe that," McConnell replied, "I've got a bridge I can sell you." McConnell told Coppins he does not recall this conversation and it does not match his thinking at the time.

The bottom line: Romney said he never felt comfortable at a Senate GOP conference lunch after voting to convict Trump in 2020. "A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution," he told Coppins a few months after Jan. 6.

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It'll be ignored, but that's very telling. I mean, the dude got the nomination to run for President in 2012. Agree with him on Vance. It was pretty clear what Vance's about-face was really all about...

The loss of Romney in the ranks will have ripple effects. I was never a huge fan of his because I felt like he was part of the "old guard" or "corrupt-lite" garden variety Republicans, but I respected his willingness to go against the grain during the last administration. The loss of Republicans like him, Kinzinger, Cheney, Gonzo, etc. will leave the GOP to the more Trumpian wing. Those in that constituency may be elated about that, but what they don't realize is that it makes them that much less appealable to the wider voting base. I don't know how they'll turn it around. They just can't get out of their own way.

Here's another example. I think if the Republicans put Haley up for the nomination, she wins the general election. That's not my desire, necessarily, it's just what I think the objective circumstances would point toward. But they can't get out of their own way and want to give 45 the nomination again so they can keep losing. Blows my mind.


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I will say that both parties are crazy for promoting their current front runners. When the only two legitimate candidates that stand a chance of being elected leaves voters a choice between trump and Biden, we all lose. And while I disagree with Haley on many things, she would be a better and more qualified candidate than trump and I believe would get a lot more votes in the general election as well.

The difference between the current far right wing of the GOP and people such as Romney and McCain, was at least I feel they believed in what they were saying. That their goal was to do what was right for America according to their beliefs whether I agreed with their political platforms or not. Many have things changed over the last decade. And certainly not for the better. While as we can see by the sample size of this board, none of them want to talk about that. When the principals they've stood for for decades are no longer worth standing up for, that tells you a lot about them.


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GOP-led Wisconsin Senate votes to fire nonpartisan official amid persistent lies about 2020 election

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Republican-controlled Wisconsin Senate voted Thursday to fire the battleground state’s nonpartisan top elections official ahead of the 2024 presidential election.

Democrats say the vote was held improperly and that lawmakers don’t have the authority to oust Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator Meagan Wolfe. The issue is expected to end in a legal battle.

The fight over who will lead the elections agency stems from persisting lies about the 2020 election and creates instability ahead of the 2024 presidential race for the state’s more than 1,800 local clerks who actually run elections.

Wolfe has been the subject of conspiracy theories and threats from election skeptics who falsely claim she was part of a plan to rig the 2020 vote in Wisconsin, and GOP leaders cited concerns from those skeptics in justifying Thursday’s 22-11 vote along party lines.

“Wisconsinites have expressed concerns with the administration of elections both here in Wisconsin and nationally,” said Majority Leader Devin LeMahieu. “We need to rebuild faith in Wisconsin’s elections.”

Election observers have voiced concerns that replacing Wolfe with a less experienced administrator or continuing to dispute her position could create greater instability in a high-stakes presidential race where election workers expect to face unrelenting pressure, harassment and threats.

“Wisconsin Republicans’ attempt to illegally fire Wisconsin’s elections administrator without cause today shows they are continuing to escalate efforts to sow distrust and disinformation about our elections, denigrate our clerks, poll workers, and election administrators, and undermine basic tenets of our democracy, including the peaceful transfer of power,” Democratic Gov. Tony Evers said in a statement.

Evers called for the state Department of Justice to represent Wolfe and help keep her in office. Meanwhile, Republicans introduced a resolution calling on the elections commission to appoint an interim administrator to replace her.

The bipartisan elections commission deadlocked in June on a vote to nominate Wolfe for a second four-year term. Three Republicans voted to nominate her and three Democrats abstained in the hopes of preventing a nomination from proceeding to the Senate for confirmation.

Senate rejection would normally carry the effect of firing her, but without a four-vote majority nominating Wolfe, a recent state Supreme Court ruling appears to allow her to stay in office indefinitely as a holdover.

“This will go into the legal system, and I’m confident that we will prevail,” Senate Minority Leader Melissa Agard said ahead of Thursday’s vote.

Senate Republicans in June pushed ahead with forcing a vote despite not receiving a nomination from the commission. LeMahieu said he interpreted the commission’s 3-0 vote as a unanimous nomination. The Legislature’s nonpartisan attorneys and Democratic Attorney General Josh Kaul have both contested that interpretation, saying the law is clear that an elections administrator must be nominated by at least four commissioners.

Wolfe did not attend a Senate committee hearing on her reappointment last month, citing a letter from Kaul saying “there is no question” that she remains head of the elections agency. That hearing instead became a platform for some of the most prominent members of Wisconsin’s election denialism movement to repeat widely debunked claims about the 2020 election.

Many of the same skeptics were present in the Senate gallery on Thursday, cheering when the vote passed.

Biden defeated Trump by nearly 21,000 votes in Wisconsin in 2020, an outcome that has withstood two partial recounts, a nonpartisan audit, a conservative law firm’s review and numerous state and federal lawsuits.

Many Republican grievances against Wolfe are over decisions made by the elections commission and carried out by Wolfe, as she is bound by law to do. In addition to carrying out the decisions of the elections commission, Wolfe helps guide Wisconsin’s more than 1,800 local clerks who actually run elections.

Wolfe became head of the elections commission in 2018, after Senate Republicans rejected her predecessor, Michael Haas, because he had worked for the Government Accountability Board. GOP lawmakers disbanded the agency, which was the elections commission’s predecessor, in 2015 after it investigated whether former Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s campaign illegally worked with outside groups.

Since the 2020 election, some Republicans have floated the idea of abolishing or overhauling the elections commission.

Wolfe has worked at the elections commission and the accountability board for more than 10 years. She has also served as president of the National Association of State Election Directors and chair of the bipartisan Electronic Registration Information Center, or ERIC, which helps states maintain accurate voter rolls.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsi...jUCi8VJWKdZ4kdIucQk7Cv3HYp3zqhm7Lda7WDqM

It's pretty obvious to see who it is that's really trying to rig elections.


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Lauren Boebert Was Kicked Out of the ‘Beetlejuice’ Musical for ‘Vaping and Singing,’ Theater Says

The U.S. representative’s campaign manager claims she’s only guilty of supporting the arts.

Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert was kicked out of a performance of the musical “Beetlejuice” musical and accused of vaping, singing, recording, and “causing a disturbance” by officials at the Buell Theater in Denver.

“I plead guilty to laughing and singing too loud!” Boebert confirmed on X, formerly Twitter. Her campaign manager Drew Sexton denied that she was vaping during the show on Sunday evening, saying Boebert is simply “a supporter of the performing arts” who “enthusiastically enjoyed” the show.

Denver Arts & Venues officials shared a report with the Denver Post detailing the incident, writing that they received three complaints from patrons about two attendees’ behavior during the first act. They did not officially name Boebert in the report.

The pair was given a warning during intermission, the report read, but five minutes into the second act, security received yet another complaint that the two were “being loud” and recording the performance, which is prohibited. Sexton told the Post that Boebert admitted to taking photos, but that she didn’t know she wasn’t allowed to take photos or videos during shows.

“I told them that they need to leave the theater and if they do not, they will be trespassing,” an usher quoted in the report said. “I told them I would [be] going to get Denver Police. They said ‘go get them.’”

The report also accuses the pair of saying “stuff like ‘do you know who I am,’ ‘I am on the board’ [and] ‘I will be contacting the mayor.’”

The police were called and stayed in the lobby until Boebert left, according to the report.

Security camera footage shows Boebert taking selfies while being escorted out of the theater and repeatedly turning back to exchange words with the security official, although the footage doesn’t include audio.

Surveillance footage outside the theater also shows Boebert doing a twirl as she leaves the premises.

Along with being a “supporter” of the arts, the far-right Colorado Republican has been known to use her time spreading racist conspiracy theories, fighting with fellow Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, and dog whistling to the QAnon movement.

A recent poll saw her trailing her Democratic opponent ahead of the 2024 election, which prompted her to send out a campaign email blast, saying she was in a “dire” situation.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgw..._hXH4TEVU9YncXIkA-ff5zUP3pdTLr3svUkF0B30

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Hopefully they're a little more trustworthy as well. You know, she claimed she wasn't vaping in the theater, but Maury has determined that is a LIE!



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Lauren Boebert. the gift that just keeps on giving. After her "Damn it I got caught lying on video" apology, come to find out her date owns a bar that has hosted drag shows.

Lauren Boebert’s ‘Beetlejuice’ Beau Owns Drag Show-Hosting Bar

Rep. Lauren Boebert’s Beetlejuice date owns and operates a gay-friendly bar in Aspen, according to the New York Post—all while Boebert has positioned herself as firmly anti-LGBTQ. Quinn Gallagher co-owns the Hooch Craft Cocktail Bar, a bar that has hosted drag shows and events during Aspen’s Gay Ski Week. Boebert has repeatedly railed against LGBTQ rights, urging Twitter followers to take their kids to “CHURCH, not drag bars” in a post last year. The two were kicked out of a Denver production of Beetlejuice last week after Boebert was caught vaping, with video released later in the week showing the two fondling each other in the family-filled audience.

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New video appears to show GOP Rep. Lauren Boebert, who has accused the left of 'grooming' children, being fondled by her date during 'Beetlejuice' performance recommended for kids
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Sat, September 16, 2023 at 12:15 AM EDT·3 min read


Rep. Lauren Boebert was kicked out of a musical theater performance of "Beetlejuice" last weekend.

New video appears to show her being groped by her date during the show, which is geared toward kids 10 and up.

Boebert has repeatedly said Democrats are "grooming" children with pro-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.

A new video appears to show Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert being overtly fondled by her date in the middle of a musical theater performance of "Beetlejuice" shortly before the pair were kicked out of the show for being disruptive.

The GOP representative, who has repeatedly criticized Democrats for "grooming" children with pro-LGBTQ+ policies and rhetoric, can be seen in the clip obtained by 9News appearing to have her chest groped and grabbing the crotch of her date during a family-friendly performance The Broadway League recommends for children 10 and up.

"If this were a gay couple it would be the #1 story all over right-wing media calling them groomers," X user Chris Evans captioned a clip of Boebert's behavior. "This was a goddamn performance of Beetlejuice."

"Four months ago, Lauren Boebert called for a boycott of North Face because the outdoor apparel company featured a drag queen in a harmless, non-sexual advertisement because she believes drag queens are a public sexual nuisance (they are not). And yet..." lesbian writer Charlotte Clymer posted on X, responding to the video.

After initially claiming she was removed from the theater for "singing too loud," Boebert changed her stance on Friday when additional video from the incident began circulating online.

Insider previously reported a pregnant woman who was in the audience said Boebert called her a "sad and miserable person" for reporting the congresswoman to an usher after she refused to stop vaping during the performance and flipped off the usher escorting her out of the auditorium following numerous complaints about her behavior.

Rep. Lauren Boebert vaping, left, and a Broadway performance of "Beetlejuice," right, in a composite image.9NEWS via Denvers Arts and Venues, Getty Images
"While none of my actions or words as a private citizen that night were intended to be malicious or meant to cause harm, the reality is they did and I regret that," Boebert said in a statement emailed to Insider, calling her own actions "unacceptable," though specifically stating that she "did not recall vaping that evening."

Representatives for Boebert did not respond to questions about her apparently engaging in sexually explicit behavior where children were present or the criticism directed at her from the LGBTQ+ community.

The Colorado representative is divorcing her husband of 18 years, Jayson Boebert, who pleaded guilty in 2004 to exposing his penis to a 17-year-old in a bowling alley. The congresswoman filed for divorce in May, citing "irreconcilable differences" as the reason for the split.

Bobert's statement added: "There's no perfect blueprint for going through a public and difficult divorce, which over the past few months has made for a challenging personal time for me and my entire family. I've tried to handle it with strength and grace as best I can, but I simply fell short of my values on Sunday."

Representatives for The Denver Center for the Performing Arts and Denver Arts and Venues, which operates the facility, did not immediately respond to requests for comment from Insider.

Read the original article on Business Insider

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Leading conservative women turn on 'embarrassing bimbo' Lauren Boebert after vaping and groping theater incident
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Sun, September 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT·3 min read
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Rep. Lauren Boebert, a Colorado RepublicanTom Williams/CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images
Leading conservative women took aim at Lauren Boebert over an incident at a Denver musical.

Ann Coulter said Boebert was an "embarrassing bimbo" in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Boebert had been kicked out of a theater for seemingly vaping and was filmed grabbing her date's crotch.

A conservative commentator has taken aim at US Rep. Lauren Boebert, calling her an "embarrassing bimbo" after she was kicked out of a Denver theater last week.

Ann Coulter, a conservative pundit and writer, responded to news of the incident with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, writing: "Totally embarrassing bimbo."

Boebert, 36, a hard right-wing Colorado congresswoman, attended a performance of the musical "Beetlejuice" last weekend.

Video footage obtained by local Denver news outlet 9News shows her being thrown out of the theater along with her date after she vaped and sang loudly during the show.

Another video appeared to show Boebert being overtly fondled by her date.

The GOP representative can be seen in the clip obtained by 9News appearing to have her chest groped and grabbing the crotch of her date during a family-friendly performance The Broadway League recommends for children 10 and up.

Boebert blamed her "public and difficult divorce" for her actions

Representatives for Boebert did not respond to questions about her apparently engaging in sexually explicit behavior where children were present or the criticism directed at her from the LGBTQ+ community, according to an Insider story on Saturday.

"The past few days have been difficult and humbling, and I'm truly sorry for the unwanted attention my Sunday evening in Denver has brought to the community," Boebert said in a statement about the incident, The New York Times reported.

"While none of my actions or words as a private citizen that night were intended to be malicious or meant to cause harm, the reality is they did, and I regret that," the statement continued.

She blamed her "public and difficult divorce" for her actions, adding that she "simply fell short" of her values.

Former president Donald Trump's ex-attorney Jenna Ellis also piled in on Boebert, calling her behavior "embarrassing and disrespectful."

"Lauren Boebert getting kicked out of the Buell Theatre in Denver for being loud, disruptive, vaping, and video recording after being asked multiple times to stop is embarrassing and disrespectful behavior from a sitting Congresswoman," she wrote in an X post.

"Good grief Republicans, do better. Congress shouldn't be a frat house any more than it should be a retirement community," she added.

Meghan McCain, the daughter of former Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain, a prominent GOP political commentator also blasted Boebert.

"Lauren Boebert is trash. She lectures everyone about the LGBT community being a threat to children while getting caught performing a lewd sex act in a public theatre where children possibly were," McCain wrote on X.


Boebert is a passionate supporter of the former President Trump. Despite their right-wing credentials, Coulter, McCain, and Ellis have turned against him.

Ellis said she would not support his third bid for the presidency because of his "narcissistic" tendencies.

Boebert is serving her second term as the Rep. for Colorado's Third congressional District.

Ellis said recently she would not support his third bid for the presidency because of his "narcissistic" tendencies.

Boebert is serving her second term as the Rep. for Colorado's Third Congressional District.

Read the original article on Business Insider


https://www.yahoo.com/news/leading-conservative-women-turn-embarrassing-141646856.html


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Guess both sides are calling her a bimbo now… smh, GOPers are off the chain.

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Grimey GOPers in Texas refused to remove AG Ken Paxton after ample testimony proving he was corrupt. He immediately vowed revenge against those who impeached him. Party of lawlessness and corruption.

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Tragically, GOPers in Wisconsin are trying to impeach a state Supreme Court justice just elected because they fear how she’ll rule. No reason and no evidence, just like with Biden. Hopefully the state AG’s suit will end this travesty of leadership.

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Indiana sues hospital system over support of doctor who provided abortion services to 10-year-old Ohio girl

Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita (R) has filed a lawsuit against the health system where a 10-year-old Ohio girl received abortion services last year after being denied in her home state, alleging the institution failed to enforce HIPAA.

In July 2022, Indiana OB-GYN Caitlin Bernard, employed by IU Health, garnered national attention after sharing with the Indianapolis Star her account of providing abortion services to a 10-year-old girl from Ohio who had been raped.

This story quickly drew the ire of conservatives, including Rokita, who accused Bernard of failing to abide by Indiana patient privacy and mandatory reporting laws.

Rokita filed a complaint with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board against Bernard, alleging the physician violated her patient’s privacy. The board ultimately determined Bernard violated privacy laws and issued a reprimand and a $3,000 fine against her.

Throughout this conflict, IU Health maintained Bernard followed Indiana’s abortion reporting laws, and it would later state it disagreed with the licensing board’s decision.

But in a Friday statement, Rokita alleged the health system violated numerous laws by supporting Bernard, accusing it of failing to prevent HIPAA violations in various ways and of being deceptive to consumers.

“We are requesting that the court issue a permanent injunction to prevent IU Health and the other defendants from continuing to violate HIPAA and for the maximum amount of fines, restitutions, penalties and damages allowed by law and that includes violations of Indiana’s medical privacy laws,” Rokita said in a statement.

When reached for comment, the company said in a statement, “At IU Health, we hold ourselves accountable every day for providing quality healthcare and securing privacy for our patients. We continue to be disappointed the Indiana Attorney General’s office persists in putting the state’s limited resources toward this matter. We will respond directly to the AG’s office on the filing.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...cY6lqu7ILcg7B9jUOqdASIdPLAhc_jqrlzsApy5I

This is how Republicans react and the actions they take when healthcare professionals help a 10 year old rape victim.

But hey, at least they didn't relax the dress code.


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Indiana sues hospital system over support of doctor who provided abortion services to 10-year-old Ohio girl

Indiana Attorney General Todd Rokita (R) has filed a lawsuit against the health system where a 10-year-old Ohio girl received abortion services last year after being denied in her home state, alleging the institution failed to enforce HIPAA.

In July 2022, Indiana OB-GYN Caitlin Bernard, employed by IU Health, garnered national attention after sharing with the Indianapolis Star her account of providing abortion services to a 10-year-old girl from Ohio who had been raped.

This story quickly drew the ire of conservatives, including Rokita, who accused Bernard of failing to abide by Indiana patient privacy and mandatory reporting laws.

Rokita filed a complaint with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board against Bernard, alleging the physician violated her patient’s privacy. The board ultimately determined Bernard violated privacy laws and issued a reprimand and a $3,000 fine against her.

Throughout this conflict, IU Health maintained Bernard followed Indiana’s abortion reporting laws, and it would later state it disagreed with the licensing board’s decision.

But in a Friday statement, Rokita alleged the health system violated numerous laws by supporting Bernard, accusing it of failing to prevent HIPAA violations in various ways and of being deceptive to consumers.

“We are requesting that the court issue a permanent injunction to prevent IU Health and the other defendants from continuing to violate HIPAA and for the maximum amount of fines, restitutions, penalties and damages allowed by law and that includes violations of Indiana’s medical privacy laws,” Rokita said in a statement.

When reached for comment, the company said in a statement, “At IU Health, we hold ourselves accountable every day for providing quality healthcare and securing privacy for our patients. We continue to be disappointed the Indiana Attorney General’s office persists in putting the state’s limited resources toward this matter. We will respond directly to the AG’s office on the filing.”

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...cY6lqu7ILcg7B9jUOqdASIdPLAhc_jqrlzsApy5I

This is how Republicans react and the actions they take when healthcare professionals help a 10 year old rape victim.

But hey, at least they didn't relax the dress code.

Yeah what you call help is murder. But that is how Democrats think. Life is not important.


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A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.


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A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Yeah what you call help is murder. But that is how Democrats think. Life is not important.

No it’s not. You can’t be murdered if you were never born. Until your little pink but comes out of your mama’s vagina screaming your head off, you are just part of her body. I’ll give you the last three or so months of pregnancy being grey area, but even then calling it murder is religious zealotry with a twist of hate for the woman. I’m sure you will never wrap around that or get the logic behind it, but it’s obvious that you’ve been radicalized against it.

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A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?


The heinous crime was that they were given life through a heinous crime.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?

So you want a 10 year old to give birth with an underdeveloped body? You understand that a 10 year old doesn’t have a developed enough body to safely give birth, right? she’s just as likely to die during birth, leading to yet another tragedy for a family who had to deal with said 10 year old getting raped.

You conservatives are something else.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by WooferDawg
A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?


The use of common sense might help you figure this out.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Originally Posted by WooferDawg
A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?

This is the perfect example of why you aren't actually pro life. As long as it's in the womb you give a damn. By the time they're ten years old and get raped, you don't.


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A 10 year old having to give birth to a baby is pretty much murder, so if you are looking for a political point against Democrats, look elsewhere.

Life is not important if you think that a 10 year old should be giving birth.

I don't believe that taking a life is ever right unless they committed a heinous crime. What did that unborn child do to deserve punishment?

This is the perfect example of why you aren't actually pro life. As long as it's in the womb you give a damn. By the time they're ten years old and get raped, you don't.

The rapist should be held accountable. Again, what did the baby do to deserve punishment?


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It’s a zygote. A cell clump. Not a baby. You need to go back to high school biology and try again.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
The rapist should be held accountable. Again, what did the baby do to deserve punishment?

How does holding the rapist responsible change the fact that a 10 year old girl was raped by him and is carrying his baby? Why should she be punished for his crime? Again, what did the ten year old victim do to deserve to be punished? So being pro life only counts until they are ten? Or is it eight, five or two? Or is it only until they are born?


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
The rapist should be held accountable. Again, what did the baby do to deserve punishment?

If that is the best you have, you don't have much. He is serving a life sentence.

It can be suggested that "the baby" in this case happens to be a 10 year old.


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Originally Posted by WooferDawg
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The rapist should be held accountable. Again, what did the baby do to deserve punishment?

If that is the best you have, you don't have much. He is serving a life sentence.

It can be suggested that "the baby" in this case happens to be a 10 year old.

Abortion is still murder. Life is still life, and it starts at conception.


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And ends when they're ten? You're excuse is to heavily risk the life of a 10 year old. Before they're born you care but that's where it ends. Pro birth, not pro life.


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Yeah what you call help is murder. But that is how Democrats think. Life is not important.

No it’s not. You can’t be murdered if you were never born. Until your little pink but comes out of your mama’s vagina screaming your head off, you are just part of her body. I’ll give you the last three or so months of pregnancy being grey area, but even then calling it murder is religious zealotry with a twist of hate for the woman. I’m sure you will never wrap around that or get the logic behind it, but it’s obvious that you’ve been radicalized against it.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."[1]


Maybe you better run and tell Scott Peterson who was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law.


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So you want a 10 year old to give birth with an underdeveloped body? You understand that a 10 year old doesn’t have a developed enough body to safely give birth, right? she’s just as likely to die during birth, leading to yet another tragedy for a family who had to deal with said 10 year old getting raped.

This is why there HAS to be a clause that allows abortion to save the mothers life, and protect her physical health.


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So you want a 10 year old to give birth with an underdeveloped body? You understand that a 10 year old doesn’t have a developed enough body to safely give birth, right? she’s just as likely to die during birth, leading to yet another tragedy for a family who had to deal with said 10 year old getting raped.

This is why there HAS to be a clause that allows abortion to save the mothers life, and protect her physical health.

But that is NOT what republicans are setting up in these various states.


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He doesn’t actually care.


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Or should I say… He doesn’t actually care. He got what he voted for.


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Republican anger grows at GOP holdouts

House Republicans are growing increasingly angry with their hard-line colleagues who are blocking the chamber from advancing spending bills — a reality that is leading some moderates to consider ditching Republicans and working with Democrats to avoid an end-of-the-month shutdown.

A band of five hard-line conservatives opposed a procedural vote to advance a Pentagon appropriations bill Tuesday, sinking the legislation. Hours earlier, House GOP leadership had scrapped plans to vote on advancing a partisan proposal for a stopgap funding bill amid opposition from the right flank.

“These five or 10 people, they failed us. And I’ll say that publicly,” moderate Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.) told The Hill Wednesday morning. “They failed us, they failed the conservative cause.”

“They’re gonna push us in the minority unless we intervene,” he added at another point in the conversation.

Rep. Jen Kiggans (R-Va.), a former Navy helicopter pilot, called the behavior from the conservatives “unacceptable and offensive.”

“Today’s actions by five members of my own party — in coordination with every Democrat — are unacceptable and offensive,” Kiggans wrote in a statement, later adding, “This type of government is as irresponsible as it is destructive.”

“Government is not a game,” she said.

Internal frustrations with the conservatives’ posture are becoming more and more acute as the calendar inches closer to the Sept. 30 government shutdown deadline with no viable plan in sight to keep Washington’s lights on.

Members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus and the more “pragmatic” Main Street Caucus over the weekend announced a proposal for a continuing resolution, which would fund the government through Oct. 31, impose an 8 percent cut across the board except for the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs, and enact a large part of the House GOP conference’s marquee border bill, H.R. 2.

The conservative plan has been viewed as the House GOP’s opening offer in eventual negotiations with the Senate and White House over averting a shutdown.

But a coalition of hard-liners quickly came out against the legislation, announcing that they would vote against it if it came to the floor, or signaling that they were leaning that way. The opposition was enough to block the legislation, prompting leadership to punt a procedural vote on the measure — a move that angered House Republicans.

The conservative opposition on spending bills and the stopgap bill has annoyed Republicans who represent districts President Biden won in 2020. If hard-liners force a shutdown, those moderates could be painted as members of a party that helped bring Washington to a screeching halt.

The Biden-district Republicans went after the hard-liners in a fiery press conference Tuesday immediately after the Pentagon appropriations bill procedural vote failed on the House floor.

Rep. Mike Lawler (R-N.Y.) said those hard-line conservative members are being “obstinate” on the spending issues, adding that there is a lot of frustration with the conservatives.

“We are one half of one third of this government, and we have to work together. We don’t want to be outliers. We want to be team players. But at some point, we have to step up and fight for the American people, and that’s what we intend to do,” Rep. Lori Chavez-DeRemer (R-Ore.) said.

A group of military veterans also slammed the GOP rabble-rousers following the Pentagon vote.

“I’m disappointed. I am pissed off,” Rep. Mike Garcia (R-Calif.) said. “They just handed a win to the Chinese Communist Party as a result of this vote.”

Angry moderates are starting to take action.

Members of the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus are working on a plan to avert a shutdown but have as not yet disclosed any details. Bacon, a member of the group, said he was not prepared to talk about it Wednesday morning.

At the same time, Republicans are working on a plan B for a continuing resolution. Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Okla.), the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, pitched an amendment to lower the levels in the GOP continuing resolution to match the fiscal 2022 levels laid out in the House Republican Conference’s debt limit bill, dubbed the Limit, Save, Grow Act. Some of the holdouts have suggested they would support that revision, but only if all appropriations bills are crafted at those levels.

Bacon, however, suggested Wednesday that the time has come for Republicans to ditch partisan paths forward and instead look toward an agreement that can garner support from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.

“It would be one thing if you could get 218 to begin with from our group, could’ve done that last month or could’ve done it yesterday. But they’re never able to get to yes,” Bacon said.

“Me and a handful of others think it’s time for a bipartisan solution, and you can’t trust these five or 10 people to support anything,” he later added. “So the right answer has always been all along to go bipartisan because you got to do it anyway with the Senate.”

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Saudi crown prince suggests investment would stay in Kushner fund if Trump reelected

Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman suggested Wednesday that the $2 billion investment the Saudi government made in Jared Kushner’s private equity fund would not be affected by a theoretical second term for former President Trump.

In a rare interview with Fox News’s Bret Baier, the crown prince defended the government-controlled Public Investment Fund’s (PIF) investment in the firm Kushner — Trump’s son-in-law — started after leaving his post as a White House adviser.

“It’s a commitment that the PIF [has], and the PIF [has] commitment[s] with any investor around the globe to keep it,” Crown Prince Mohammed said when asked whether he would move the money should Trump, who currently leads the 2024 GOP primary field, were elected president for another term.

Kushner — who had a close relationship with the crown prince – accepted the investment just six months after leaving office, raising concerns about the appearance of an improper quid pro quo.

Asked about the appearance of the investment, the crown prince said, “We look to opportunities and investment. We have investment, a lot of investment around the globe with a lot of peoples and with economical opportunity.”

He also brushed off concerns about any apparent impropriety and claimed most prominent figures around the world have some sort of connection to Saudi Arabia.

“Saudi Arabia is so big, so I’m quite sure mostly any person around the world, directly or indirectly, you have something to do with Saudi Arabia,” Crown Prince Mohammed said when asked whether the investment could affect a theoretical new Trump administration.

“So if [that’s] going to affect President Trump decision, if he becomes president … [it’s] going to affect every president in the world and every person in the world’s decision, because directly or indirectly,” the crown prince added.

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