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And do you remember what Browns fans said about that? Do you remember how disgusted we all were about that? Yet it is true that he "didn't rape them". Is that the way you deal with rationalizing it?

Everyone seemed to find teams that allowed such things sickening until the player involved put on a Browns uniform.

He was not charged with any crime. I see him as innocent of all charges. Because in this Country a man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That has not happened. I think the media hates him. I don't think players do.

The physical talent is still clearly there.

We will see how long it takes him to get his composure back. It’s not impossible, since we seen Vick do it, and he actually went to prison.

Yes, 24 women were lying and only watson is the beacon of truth. You do realize that Ben was never convicted of rape either. He also never faced any criminal charges. Yet you called him a rapist. Like I said, it's all about the uniform.

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin was asked about the Steelers poor offensive performance against the Browns defense...

Pittsburgh reporter asks Tomlin “You talked about getting the big play early, then you get the big play late. Coming off the game that you did, is that an okay recipe for you, get a couple of big plays and kind of hang on in between?” a reporter asked.



Mike Tomlin's response to the reporter: “We’re not gonna apologize for winning,” Tomlin said— no further comment.


TRANSLATION: if the Browns offense is so inept and willing to put together a game plan that benefits the Steelers, helping the Steelers WIN THE GAME...Tomlin will smile at Stefanski and the Browns Big Brass and say Thank You, “We’re not gonna apologize for winning,”

The Browns just gave away a game that they should have won...it wasn't the players who called to plays or put together game plan

It looks like the Browns might have fixed defense and it only took a broom to sweep out the bad coaches and leadership that contributed to last seasons POOR DEFENSIVE PERFORMANCE.

Hopefully Haslam holds Stefanski and his staff of analytics experts to the same standard he established on the defensive side after the 2022/2023 season.

Teams that play STUPID FOOTBALL don't win in the NFL...

Not sure how much of this is true - it might all be spot on, it might be speculation that falls wide of the mark. I don't know.

He's made his own bed to a large extent. He did what he did both in terms of refusing to play for HOU and then getting addicted to 'massages' with 100 different 'therapists'. None of that is irredeemable - people have done worse and deserve a second chance. Look at our own Kareem Hunt. Look at how people overlook Jim Brown's troubled history of abuse. With Watson - in my eyes and opinion - he's shown zero remorse. He's shown zero accountabilty. So I would understand neutrals rooting against him and the angst shown to a superstar accused of something like that who then gets handed 250 million bucks gauranteed.

How much of all of that is in his head and causing his playing issues - again, IDK and I think it's just as likely that the fans and analysts who say a deep dive shows Watson was flattered with some of his stats and is who he is largely might just as easily be right.

I do know that when he played against CLE in a bad weather game he was horrendous. I do know a lot of Watson's highlight reel is him scrambling and making a play out of nothing - it's NOT drop back 5 steps and plant and hit a receiver in stride as he makes a cut.

We'll see what he is made of - and Stefanski - because things can and probably will turn ugly. Baker was hated by many for not winning when we had a trash, soft defense that couldn't hold onto a lead. We've now got what looks like a pretty special D if they stay helahty .... we don't need a game winning QB or OC ... we need a little averge, a little competance. It shouldn't be too much to ask for.

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if the Browns offense is so inept and willing to put together a game plan that benefits the Steelers, helping the Steelers WIN THE GAME...Tomlin will smile at Stefanski and the Browns Big Brass and say Thank You, “We’re not gonna apologize for winning,”


It wasn't the gameplan that lost the game, it was the turnovers. You people kill me

The fans wanted Baker out of town so badly that we ended up with Watson.

Granted, if Baker acted like an adult during contract negotiations, he would still probably be QB1 in CLE.

I've seen enough, I want him out of here.

One thing is for sure. He definitely needs to learn how to stiff arm without grabbing the facemask.

All I know is that Jim Schwartz wouldn't let Watson get a way with his foolishness.

stueby...4 th down, 12 inches to go for a first down on the Pitt 43 yd line...what is the best play call to move the chains?

Is it best to have your QB take a 1yd step backward, away from the line of scrimmage as he reads the pitch man and when the QB sees that the pitch man is covered our QB now finds himself a yd further + the 12 inches he was away from the first down. Calling that play not only gave our QB a longer distance to make the first down but it gave the Pitt defense time to recover and read the play that Stefanski called.

...what might go wrong for the Browns calling an option play when they only needed 12 inches to make the first down..? There might be a fumble...OH WAIT...THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED and in the process of recovering the fumble, the Browns failed to get enough of a gain to make the first down.

Instead of our QB thinking about securing the snap and push ahead a foot or so to get the first down, our QB was forced to secure the snap, step a yd away from the line of scrimmage, read the pitch man and determine if he should pitch the ball or determine that the pitch man is covered, pull the ball back and now attempt to push forward toward the LOS that is now 4 ft away instead of the original 12 inches away from the 1st down.

Stefanski and his gang of analytics experts are just as responsible for that fumble as Watson. Anyone making such a play call...they need to be asked why they took something that should have been a simply play call and made that play 10 times more difficult than it needed to be.

I didn’t get the playcall either.

Pittsburgh was winning at the point of attack between our OL and their DL pretty much all game. You don't sneak it because they'd been getting penetration right up the middle fairly often. Plus, Pocic is a tall (6'6") center which can make it difficult to win leverage in short yardage situations/it's "easy" for defenders to get "under him." Teller can struggle with this at times as well. On the other hand, both have shown the ability to demolish people in space.

Watson just needs to hold onto the ball. But then, his hand was probably mangled from getting caught in facemasks.

It was a number of things, including the gameplan and play calling.

If you have a QB who is struggling with almost every aspect of playing the position, and who is processing at a very slow level, you have to call plays and gameplan to help him speed things up. You call some screen and other quick hit plays to get him going, and to build his confidence.

3 first round picks

so he's currently going scorched earth by blocking tons of CLE social media people ... this seems like deja vu

lots of people do it. He needs to get his confidence back up not further down

$230,000,000 doesn't buy what it used to.

Dude needs to start living up to the hype. He's got this Sunday to do so. Well, he actually has till the end of his contract, which truthfully, right now, can't come soon enough.

No more excuses.... NO MORE EXCUSES! Put up, or get out.

I just saw this as well. Any criticism getting blocked. Better to just go Zero Dark Thirty like Bron Bron. Bad headspace.

And then this from today...distractions.

A win on Sunday will go a long way. A loss....ugh.

exactly Milk ... better to just go dead silent. Nothing gets accomplished doing what he's doing

I gave Watson a bit of a pass last year because he had been out of the league for so long... first game he got a pass because of the weather.... zero pass this week... dude played like crap... he better turn it around against the Titans...

I say this again because with a weak HC who doesn't fully know how to deal with big/cocky/weak/fragile egos there's a high possibility that complex personalites like Watson can become self-destructive if they can't fully manage internal and external expectations.

I can easily see a frozen and in the end a broken relationship between our new franchise QB and those coaches who's trying to hold him accountable and those who internally and externally criticize him too much. I don't think what happened in Houston was a isolated incident and irrational and self destructive behaviors often has a tendency to pop up again when the outside pressure mounts and your own picture of yourself doesn't match up with reality. Typical for talanted artists/musicians/athletes with low self esteem and fragile egoes who're not used to get rejected or to recieve negative critizismn.

Don't come afterwards and say that his history didn't warn us...

Looks like Watson got the money and got fat and happy.

He looks like he is phoning in his performance every week.

He disgusts me.

Chain of events:

Baker struggles - gets hurt - refuses to sit - Stefanski not strong enough to do what's in the team's best interest and sit him - Stefanski and Baker relationship degredates to the point of zero trust (that'd happen if you put your rookie 3rd strong RT 1 on 1 with TJ Watt in the last game of the season to 'protect' your injured QB - end of season announcements declare Baker is our guy but behind the sceenes Berry/Stefanski scrambling for a new QB - Watson appears to become available, he's an analytics guy's wet dream (anyone remember all those stats where Watson was alledgedly top 1-2-3 in the NFL during a season at HOU?) - I believe Berry sells Watson hard to Haslam, Haslam then makes his mind up to go hard for Watson - Watson says hell no to playing in cold and bad weather CLE - Haslam meets with Baker and petulant Baker pisses Haslam off enough to have Haslam tell Berry to do 'anything' to sign Watson. Ergo biggest and only fully gauranteed 5 years deal signed 230 Million.... So much positive PR about how Stefanski and Watson talked X's and O's and Stefanski was blown away with Watson's football knowledge and passion, Watson loving Stefanski's offensive philosiphies. . . . then all the bad press and more and more bad news and cases of allegations. The 11 game ban. The crap play on return. The whole offseason of more PR Spin about how amazing Watson is, how his passes just look different in training camp .... and then preseason which is more Poop. Then game 1 which was more Poop in constant drizzle/rain. The one of the worst performances by a QB I have ever seen by the time you throw in face masks, official shoving, and losing to a team in the 4th Q when you had a lead and your defense shut them down ....

I don't know that Watson is fat and happy. I actually think he's put the work in. I just think his time was 4 years ago and he ain't ever going to get close to that one season in HOU. CLE is left with a ridiculous contract for a well below average QB. The decision to move on from Baker was the right one given the relationship and Baker's immaturity. But there were other options that wouldn't set the team back 8-10 years.

Not sure why my mind went to the whole sequence when I saw your post saying he's fat and happy.... but there it is. my 2 cents in a paragraph and change.

Two games into the season and the press are mighty ugly about Watson. He and Stefanski best right the ship this week before the protests start outside the stadium.


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and missing wide open receivers, not seeing the field, and playing like a backup QB

Remember when we discussed "character matters"?

Back when we picked Watson up, I and many others commented on how Character Matters... Well, lookey here, He doesn't want Cleveland then Cleveland dangles a $230 million guaranteed contract in front of him and he says, yeah, I'll take Cleveland...

Then he gets the money and when he finally gets to play, stinks the place up. But, he hadn't played in a while so give him a full camp and let's see how he does...

OK,, Full camp, gets his start, one helluva Defense to support him and what do we have? Now the excuse is, hey, it's early,, give him a few more starts.

Nobody would be happier than I if he returns to probowl status.

I just am not seeing it.

Who is responsible for getting his QB prepared for a game..?

That responsibility falls on Kevin Stefanski...

It was Kevin who called the option play that failed to get the 1st down when the offense needed only 12 INCHES for the first down.

What kind of Browns coach makes that play call..?

No doubt about the fact that it was Kevin Stefanski who called the failed TRIPLE OPTION PLAY ON 4th down and 12 inches to go for a 1st down.

Shouldn't Stefanski be held responsible for his poor offensive game plan..?

I can’t find any other explanation than he hasn’t properly taking care of his body and that all his previous dodgy activities is starting to catch up to his consciousness with related symptoms like keeping concentration and focus.

I've often thought the same thing. A individual's personality does not change much. Watson needs to stop thinking of himself and put the team first. We need better ball security, avoid the sideline fighting, the stupid facemask calls, get the ball out quick and stop looking for big chunk plays, your deep pass is not accurate. I want to see less selfish game Sunday. Go BROWNS!

DePodesta.

memp...given the play of Watson so far this season, your answer makes perfect sense...

If your pass catchers don't make plays, the QB will look bad. Turnovers killed us. It started on the first pass. Bryant has gotta catch that ball. If he's not going to, he shouldn't be on the field.

It's hard to avoid the sense of inevitable doom when you take a metaphorical gut punch right away and the hits just keep on coming. Especially with the weight of history, particularly with this team and in that building. It has the opposite effect on the other side. They can feed off of it. We got the life sucked out of us and they got pumped up.

If Bryant catches that ball, who knows how it changes the complexion of the game. That's football, though. Things can turn on one play.

Having said that, It wasn't just one thing that caused us to lose. It was a lot of mistakes by a lot of different people that need to get cleaned up.

I feel somewhat better after watching the all-22. Watson did have some nice throws. The facemasks and fumbles we've got to get rid of, but I don't think he's a lost cause.