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Just to show that the DOJ doesn't really care who does what... If you break the law, they come for you.

Biden doesn't care either.

So, Trump entire BS that this is weaponization is just another lie.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-bob-menendez-indicted-federal-charges-rcna111447

Common sense among MAGA Gopers is non existent. So expectations on them understanding a simple concept like that goes straight out the window.

As I said in another thread, finally a story with a little meat on the bone. There was actual evidence involved that looks damning. Enough actual evidence to get an indictment. A case which no matter your party affiliation or political leanings I believe people are willing to see it and understand that gravity of it. Not try to blame it on politics, make excuses, try to cast shade in the other direction without such evidence as a form of distraction for what he did. It would be nice to see more of that.

Without a doubt, it looks like they got him....Worst part is he got away with it in I think 2018 or something like that. I guess he thought he could do it again.

Dude's been crooked as a dog's hind leg for years. It was only a matter of time.

Resign plz

I hope he drags it out until after the 2024 elections, then steps down only after his seat is safely in the democrats column. Why should we rush to push out a D vote when we see what the red team allows? I know I know, we have a sense of morality and dignity, but at this point in time, maybe we should relax those strict standards to keep from being our own undoing. I think he should go too, but my focus is on the bigger picture until Trump is no longer a threat.

Because if you're going to claim how disgusted you are they do it, you shouldn't be a hypocrite about it.

this level of thinking is no better than corrupt Republicans.

Something we finally agree on.

Nah bro this ain’t it. I love fighting with fire as much as the next guy, but not when it comes to elected officials committing crimes. There’s a line.

I agree with you. It's sickening what's going on with the R side of things and Trump's numerous indictments, but we sure as hell don't want a slippery slope.

I agree with you all as well. But the slippery slope ship has sailed down a steep double black diamond slope and disappeared in the distance leaving only dust in their wake on the right side of that slippery slope. You know like George Santos and company. And you know what Goper’s would say if the aging Biden froze like Mitch not once but twice.

I think it would most likely be more accurate to say we shouldn't follow down the slippery slope that has been put in place by the right.

Yeah bringing a knife to a gun fight is what democrat liberals usually do. Lying down and taking it while the MAGA Gopers drag our democracy right down the NAZi path. Liberals are acting like the Jews in Germany. “This opposition leadership won’t last and we’ll be free again. No need to fight it.”

Yes, there is a line for the left. And removing him will give the right equal seats on the senate if a GOPer fills his seat. So, all of you would rather hurry up and rid ourselves of Mendez thereby giving a possible Trump presidency a super majority? SMH. I think fighting the fascist right is more important than when he gets his. Is Santos still a congressman? Damn right he is, because the right doesn’t care about anything but destroying our democracy. So, y’all should think things thru before you jump IMO.

So you're saying the consequences of him leaving would mean there would be an election? You do realize that the odds of him being reelected with these criminal indictments are slim to none and the Dems would be much better off running a different candidate anyway, right?

No, an appointment would be made. The Governor will fill his seat until the end of his term or until a special election depending on the State. Then there will be an election.

The current governor is a dem, but that’s no guarantee he will appoint a dem. I wouldn’t trust a dem like Manchin to appoint a dem…

And I have no idea when his term ends, so I was only talking 2024, because I don’t want to give Trump any edge in any way.

So it's your contention then that a governor that was elected as a democrat might risk ruining his political future by naming a Republican to take over that seat? I'm just curios and want to make sure that's your actual contention here because if that's what you're indicating I don't see that as making any sense at all.

Yes he’d loose the next election if he runs. But why should he step down now? He’s pleaded not guilty, Innocent until proven guilty as they say on the right. The Gopers have given us a boat load shady candidates proven unfit and none are going anywhere. The leading republican for potus has been indicted in several states and is out on bail waiting trial and isn’t going anywhere. Fair s fair …. You know what they say..whats good for the goose

Do you know the NJ governor? I don’t. And right now I don’t trust any politician to do the RIGHT thing. Do you think Manchin or Sinema (supposed dems) as governors would appoint a dem?

So you are making an accusation about a what if scenario that might happen which politically makes no sense based on a governor you know nothing about? Once again, logic dictates a a governor that was elected as democrat appointing a republican to fill his seat is political suicide. Maybe you can come up with something that makes more sense than that which is better than, "You don't know him and neither do I".

So you're reasoning is "Well little Johnnie did it!"

When you start doing everything the republicans do that you think is wrong, you become the same as the republicans. For me that's not a very good excuse to do the wrong thing.

I think most objective people have seen the slope the GOP has created, which is why the GOP has gotten its ass handed to it for the most part since '16. My hope is that it happens again in 2024. At that point, Trump will be pretty much done and/or in jail. Fingers crossed for a renaissance on that side of the aisle, but one thing at a time.

I don't see any rational reason why Phil Murphy would nominate a Republican. In fact, Menendez stepping down and Phil likely putting a Democrat in place would - in my mind - be the best case scenario for the Dems, who once again would show themselves in a much better light to objective voters.

Stop making sense!

Why risk it is all I’m saying. Mendez will face his offenses in court in due time. Remember when we ousted Al Franken?

He pleaded not guilty in this case. He has a legal right. He is innocent until proven guilty. Stepping down is basically admitting guilt. I don’t expect him to step down. As much as we hate it, Fair is fair. Innocent until proven guilty.

Fair is fair. I don't want anyone who has been criminally indicted to be a government official. And I don't care which party they belong to. We've actually seen the pictures of 500k and gold bars in his home. Anyone who has bothered to look knows there's a mountain of evidence against him. There is not only the question of guilt or innocence here, there's the question of ethics. Or the total and utter lack there of in this case.

And I know ethics doesn't mean as much to some people as it used to. That still doesn't mean it shouldn't. IMO- not removing him now will hurt more than it helps come election time.

Centrists, PFFT.

Extremist view. "We don't think trump is fit to be president because of his criminal indictments but we think Menendez should remain in office." Hypocrisy.

I don’t think trump is fit because he’s a fascist authoritarian would-be dictator and a traitor who has said he will end our institutions if reelected. He absolutely plans to end our democracy. But hey, smoke that centrist ish all you want there PIT. But I’m done with your petty ass attack for today. So kick rocks.

So what? we’ve seen violent insurrection live on tv and that’s not stopping Goper’s pal.

As much as we all hate it. The law is the law. Menendez has a legal leg to stand on and he’s not going to step down period. He pleaded not guilty so he’ll take to the courts. Face the facts.

Doesn't matter if he steps down now. The governor of NJ is a Dem. He'll appoint a Dem as a replacement.

Kinda what can happen in Kentucky if Mitch can't remain in office.

Don't?


That's funny.

I'm struggling to reconcile what you're saying here with your tenor in the various Trump threads...

Huh?

Obviously we can see what tenor being used is a direct result of which party is involved. And that's just sad.

Why? It’s pretty simple. Precedents have been set. Why should a different set of rules now apply to Dems?

Set by whom? You allow the rules and morals to be set by someone else, or do you take ownership over how you look at things?