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Militants infiltrate Israel from Gaza as Hamas claims major rocket attack
By Andrew Raine and Chris La

Ibrahim Dahman, Hadas Gold, Lauren Iszo, Amir Tal, Abeer Salman, Kareem Khadder, Richard Allen Greene and Hande Atay Alam, CNN
Sat, October 7, 2023 at 5:33 AM EDT
https://www.yahoo.com/news/militants-enter-israel-gaza-woman-052028001.html

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the country was “at war” on Saturday, after militants from Gaza fired a deadly barrage of rockets and sent gunmen into Israeli territory in a major escalation of the long running conflict between the two sides.

“Citizens of Israel, we are at war – not in an operation, not in rounds – at war,” Netanyahu said in a video message.

The early morning rocket attacks from Gaza, which the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) described as “massive,” left at least one person dead and over 100 injured, according to figures from two hospitals.

Hamas, the Palestinian militant movement that runs Gaza, claimed responsibility for the rocket attack and called for a general uprising against Israel.

“If you have a gun, get it out. This is the time to use it – get out with trucks, cars, axes, today the best and most honorable history starts,” Hamas military commander Muhammad Al-Deif said in a recorded message.

Dubbing the operation “Al-Aqsa Storm,” he said that the group had “targeted the enemy positions, airports and military positions with 5,000 rockets” and that the assault on Israel was a response to attacks on women, the desecration of the al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem and the ongoing siege of Gaza.

Rockets are fired from Gaza City as Israel's Iron Dome air defence system attempts to intercept them on October 7, 2023 - Mohammed Abed/AFP/Getty Images
Israeli forces “are fighting on the ground as we speak,” IDF spokesperson Lt Col Richard Hecht said in a briefing on Saturday, listing at least half a dozen locations where fighting is taking place.

The locations include Erez Crossing, Nahal Oz, Magen, Kibbutz Beeri, Rehim Army Base, Ziikim Army base, Kfar Azza and Kibbutz Beeri.

The IDF said it was responding to the attack by striking “a number of targets belonging to the Hamas terrorist organization in the Gaza Strip.”

Hecht also said that thousands of reservists will be called up from the IDF.

The IDF warned Israelis who live near Gaza to stay in their homes or head to shelters.

“In the last hour, the Hamas terrorist organization had begun a massive shooting of rockets from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory, and terrorists infiltrated into Israeli territory in a number of different locations,” the IDF said in a statement Saturday morning. Sirens warning of incoming rockets continued for at least three hours after the initial barrage.

“The Hamas terrorist organization is the sovereign in the Gaza Strip and is responsible for this attack. It will face the consequences and responsibility for these events,” it added.

Israeli President Isaac Herzog said Israel was facing “a very difficult moment,” writing in a statement on X, formerly known as Twitter.

“I wish to offer strength to the commanders and soldiers of the IDF, and to all the security forces and rescue services. I send my encouragement and strength to all the residents of Israel who are under attack,” he added.

CNN teams in Jerusalem heard rocket warning sirens and booms, likely the interceptions of incoming rockets, as sirens continued to sound around Israel.

The first round of rockets was fired at about 6:30 a.m. Saturday morning local time (11:30 p.m. ET), when most Israelis are likely to have been asleep.

It is rare for Palestinian militants to be able to make it into Israel from Gaza which is sealed off and heavily watched by Israel’s miltary.

Israel television Channel 12 reported that the infiltrators from Gaza had entered Kibbutz Beeri, saying that residents were urging the IDF to rush to the kibbutz.

Channel 12 also reported that infiltrators had taken hostages in Netiv HaAsara. Israeli authorities did not immediately confirm any details about those reports.

Social media footage obtained by CNN showed multiple masked gunmen in a pickup truck driving down a street in the Israeli city of Sderot. Gunfire could also be heard in the video.

One woman died and at least 15 people were wounded across southern and lowland regions of Israel in the militant attacks, Israel’s Magen David Adom rescue service said a mid-morning update on Saturday.

MDA said the woman who was killed was in her 60s, revising her age down from 70s, which CNN had earlier reported.

Two people are in critical condition, six in moderate condition and seven have minor injuries, MDA said in a statement.

The MDA said teams “respond to areas of reported missile falls and live firing incidents,” and urged people to heed instruction from authorities and to carefully and promptly go to a protected area when an alarm sounds.

MDA spokesperson Zaki Heller also urged people to donate blood and said a special blood donation drive is being organized in Tel Aviv for Saturday morning “due to an urgent need.”

The rockets, which were witnessed by a CNN producer in Gaza, prompted sirens as far north as the Tel Aviv area, east to Beer Sheva, and many other locations in between.

Social media footage obtained by CNN showed the aftermath of a rocket strike in the coastal city of Ashkelon where multiple cars could be seen burning next to an apartment complex, a thick plume of black smoke billowing into the air.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant are conducting security assessments at Israel Defense Forces headquarters in Tel Aviv, Netanyahu’s office said.

Gaza is one of the most densely packed places in the world, an isolated coastal enclave of almost 2 million people crammed into 140 square miles.

Governed by Hamas, the territory is largely cut off from the rest of the world by an Israeli blockade of Gaza’s land, air and sea dating back to 2007. Egypt controls Gaza’s southern border crossing, Rafah.

Israel has placed heavy restrictions on the freedom of civilian movement and controls the importation of basic goods into the narrow coastal strip.

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I went to bed last night and no war in Israel.. Woke up, damn war broke out. What the hell is wrong with people

It's an odd thing. Depending on which side you're on, terms such as terrorists, invaders and militants turns into freedom fighters and heroes.

What I'm closely watching more than anything is if this conflict remains strictly between Israel and Hamas or will other entities become involved. And if they do, who all will be involved.

Hopefully it remains between them two. Obviously Hamas is funded by external forces, same with the Israeli government. But this has been an ongoing thing between the two, so hopefully it stays that way.

It has been ongoing. I've been following this since the 1970's. I think everyone is hoping it remains between the two of them. But I think people focusing strictly on what's happening in their own back yard are the only people surprised this happened. It's been brewing for some time now. Pretty much since the Israeli court ruled to expel a number of Palestinians from the West Bank and Israel has done nothing to curb the violence inflicted against Palestinians from Israeli's as they have built new settlements on the west Bank. Forcing them to leave their homes and communities they had built behind. I'm surprised it took this long to be honest with you.

Israeli court paves way for eviction of 1,000 Palestinians from West Bank area

This article is more than 1 year old

Land to be repurposed for military use in one of the biggest expulsion decisions since 1967 occupation

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/israeli-court-evict-1000-palestinians-west-bank-area

UN reports says West Bank settler violence has displaced over 1,100 Palestinians since last year

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/...d-over-1100-palestinians-since-last-year

There have been back and forth between these two for longer than I can remember.
But I don't remember Hamas coming in and shooting civilians in their homes, driving in their cars, taking people hostage.

This one so far seems different and the response is going to be big

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-7-2023/
IDF: 100 killed in huge Hamas assault, hostages taken to Gaza; PM: Israel at war
Unprecedented infiltration from Gaza; about 1,000 injured; gunmen attack homes in south; thousands of projectiles fired into Israel; reservists called up
3min ago


3min ago
Opposition Leader Yair Lapid calls to form emergency government with Netanyahu to manage complex time ahead
By TOI STAFF
Opposition Leader Yair Lapid calls for an “emergency government” to manage “the difficult and complex operation ahead of us” after some 100 Israelis were killed, close to 1,000 wounded and an unknown number of soldiers and civilians were taken captive by Hamas terrorists into Gaza.

“The State of Israel is at war. It won’t be easy and it won’t be short. It has strategic consequences which we haven’t seen for many years. There is a serious risk that it will become a multi-front war,” he says in an announcement.

“A short while ago, I met with Prime Minister Netanyahu. I told him that in this emergency situation I’m willing to put aside our differences and form an emergency, narrow, professional government with him to manage the “difficult and complex operation ahead of us.”

Netanyahu, he says, “knows that with the current extreme and dysfunctional security cabinet, he can’t manage a war. Israel needs to be led by a professional, experienced, and responsible government. I have no doubt that former Defense Minister [Benny] Gantz would also join a government like this.

“Forming an emergency professional government will make clear to our enemies that the vast majority of Israeli citizens stand behind the IDF and security forces. It will make clear to the world, in the international community, that the people of Israel stand united against this threat,” says Lapid.

“The State of Israel suffered a hard blow today. We are all hurting, we are all angry. However, wars and countries aren’t managed with pain and anger but with calm and a strategic understanding of the situation. We need to put politics to one side for the sake of an emergency government that will manage this situation with determination and won’t deal with anything else until we achieve victory over our enemies.”

Jim Ferguson
@JimFergusonUK
Breaking: Iran supports the attacks on Israel.

Will Iran attack Israel in her weakened state?

"We support the commendable operation of Al-Aqsa Storm. We will stand alongside the Palestinian freedom fighters until the liberation of Palestine and Al-Quds, God willing."

IRGC General and advisor to the Supreme Leader, Yahya Safavi:
#Iran #Israel #IsraelUnderAttack #IsraelPalestineWar

Let's hope the Ukraine/Russia and Israel/Palestine/Iran fault lines don't join. I'm guessing seeing the one situation helped lead to the other.

Pit and North,

can you guys enlighten me from yall perspective how all of this played out when back in the day? was it more violent then or now?

I'm not sure if everyone knows the background of what started this entire thing to begin with. It's the very root of the conflict. Before the end of WW2 what is now known as Israel belonged to the Palestinians. Major Palestinian cites were attacked and hundreds of their villages were destroyed. Many went as far as to call it ethnic cleansing. At least that's what started all of this during our times. One could go back all the way through Biblical times and say otherwise. Which if that's what you wish to base things on is true. And I believe the teachings in the Bible are at the very root of why Israel was granted to the Jews in the first placed in the late 1940's. But in order to give them Israel, the Palestinians had to be expelled and the land that they possessed had to be given to Israel. So this should help explain the hatred and anger of the Palestinians.

One side, Israel, feels this land was ordained to them by God. That this is their homeland and they are will do anything to defend it regardless of the cost. The Palestinians hold great disdain because they feel this land was stolen from them by Israel and that they invaded and took over their country though force killing many Palestinians in the process. People can decide for themselves which they agree with or disagree with which can help them form their own conclusions.

As far as which was more violent? That remains to be seen. During the 1973 war well over 2500 Israeli soldiers were killed. It was a long and bloody battle. Only time will tell us what the current conflict will bring and the amount of blood to be spilled before it reaches its conclusion.

Thanks for educating me bro. I love hearing how it went down from people who were around when it actively became a thing. Unfortunately I just have articles to read until now.

You think this has a chance of ever being solved?

So Iran is funding Hamas and Biden just gave Iran 6 billion dollars. HMMMMMMM

May God arise and His enemies be scattered!!!

We’ve been giving Israel billions for decades. Israel and hamas are funded by external forces.

Once the dust settles, I’d like to know how Israel didn’t see this attack coming. This clearly wasn’t a sneak attack. This was head on.

I see Israel's only option is an all out ground assault on Gaza and complete annulation of Hamas. Anything less than that would be considered weak. I stand with Israel!

That’s a false equivalent. Just want to nip it in the bud. Look at how the $6B was released. It is not a case of $6B released and then flipped into money for Hamas.

Honestly this shouldn’t even be a political issue but you wanna blame the guy for everything so have at it.

Definitely a black eye on Mossad. They are way better than this.

I imagine the retribution will be severe. I’ve had the chance to see Israeli stuff up close - as I imagine you have - and it’s no joke…

Sometimes the other guys just have a well planned and coordinated attack. As in most things, the aggressor generally has an initial advantage. Now we'll see what Israel does to try to deter future attacks. I'm guessing things in that region of the world get worse before they get better, and that getting better is a pretty big if.

Violence begets violence. In thousands of years, humanity still hasn't really figured out how to break cycles of violence.

Oh gawd here we go with the maga men conspiracy theories again.. Biden gave them access to their own money. And those funds are strictly regulated and controlled. Not a single dime has been spent from that account meant for humanitarian uses only. But I don’t expect y’all to stop spreading lies here.

At this point, I agree. A two state solution is clearly out the window.

Hamas said this morning that they received help from Iran and "others".

Out state department is trying to verify reports that there are Americans who are among the dead and captured.

Others being Hezbollah. There’s a few connections we can go down the rabbit hole on, but the thing that worries me is the ideology behind it.

Make no mistake, I support Israel and they need to go ahead and do whatever it is they need to in order to protect their people. I just need my fellow Americans to understand that once again, we’re engaged in a holy war. Look how Hamas and Iran have described the attack, words like ‘Zionist’ and such. Secular mentality and strategy doesn’t work in the Middle East. So if we get into yet another conflict, I hope our people can at least go there with the correct mindset this time.

I really don't. If anything I believe it could escalate to other nations being more directly involved. This entire thing centers around religion and the fact that both sides consider this their homeland. Israeli's believe it was stolen from them during the time of Mosses and according to scripture this is their God given homeland. The Palestinians believe their country was stolen from them in the 1940's. An argument could be made by both sides. But this has been a constant back and forth for my entire lifetime. I think if a reasonable settlement could lead to lasting peace could have been reached by now it would have been. If there's one thing I'm sure of, it's when you get conflicting religions that have existed over centuries involved in wars, they use God as a reason to keep fighting. That's always been a very hard thing to stop.

But are you surprised by it?

LMAO Iran literally said that they will spend the money however they see fit. But keep making up lies.

Sad it came to this. But Netanyahu never really worked towards a two state solution.

jc clicking. Israel should just drop some 2000 lb bombs on them and end this fight for good.

Yea I agree. At this point, at least with regards to Israel, there can be no two state solution. Somebody has to go. I was worried about Hamas meeting with Putin back in march and what they could possibly lead toward, especially since Iran has been supplying Russia with equipment in the war in Ukraine. Then the fact that you have Israel normalizing relations with other countries, including most recently Saudi Arabia, has me believing that Putin has called on the only allies he has left (Iran, NK, terrorist organizations) as a last desperate attempt to try and gain ground back in Europe.

Any diplomacy between Israel and other middle eastern countries is a direct blow to Iran, which of course are so militant and extreme toward Israel that they can’t possibly sit idly by anymore.

He half-assed it for sure, but when you’re dealing with the likes of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran, it probably wasn’t gonna work anyway since they aren’t interested in peace.

Hope it’s worth it. Between them supplying the terrorist organizations and Russia, as well as Iranian and Syrian mercenaries being recruited to fight in Russia, Iran better hope their little terrorist groups can keep the pace up long enough for whatever plan they have. Cause once the smoke clears and all eyes turn to them….yikes.

I fixed your statement. Their money is strictly regulated for humanitarian uses only. And they haven’t used money from that account yet. Not a lie. So they aren’t using it for humanitarian reasons to help their own. What does that say? Prove me wrong.

From your own source.....


Have you been listening to Breitbart News again? Or are they already pedaling this BS on FOX News?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...6-billion-released-prisoner-e-rcna104475

Proof.

It's trumpian proof. "He is saying", "people are saying", "a lot of people are saying". You are making the claim that what the leader of Iran is saying is what the truth is. All the while pretending that every dime is being regulated is somehow false. Even though the entire process of how that will happen is spelled out for you at your own source.

That has a lot to do with the problems we see in this country today. People such as yourself are convinced that's somehow proof of something.

Are you deliberately being obtuse. The Iranian President literally said it. Maybe you should read the article before you dig your hole of moronity deeper.