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What I see and am clear about is you are anti semitic. If you were around in 1945 would you be worried about how the allies invaded Germany? Israel has a right to defend itself and ensure this never happens again to their people. I stand with Israel!

So because I don't want innocent civilians of any nation killed, that makes me antisemitic? How can you tell people you're an extremist that makes no sense without telling people you are an extremist that makes no sense? Never mind, you just did.

German troops were above ground where strikes actually killed German troops. Hamas is underground and by and large Israeli bombs are killing innocent civilians. You are off your rocker. I told you I support Israel conducting ground operations where their soldiers can actually identify who they are killing. I have stated that I support Israel wiping out Hamas. In case you missed that, that IS supporting Israel. None of your ideological babble will change that.

What I don't support is the mindless killing of innocent civilians while your enemy is in underground tunnels and you're having little to no impact in killing them. And it has nothing to do with whether it involves people wearing a yarmulke or not.

Here is a video that tells the real story of Israel and Palestine history and the difference between what your told.

No it's not. It tells the story you have decided to believe and he is wanting to tell/sell. I'm fully aware of who Ben Shapiro is and the message he chooses to send.

Are they really civilians if they allow these terrorists to hide inside them, protect them, breed more of them? That’s as borderline militant as you get without picking up a gun, IMO. I feel bad for the innocent, not just because they claim they are civilian or suffering because ISREAL IS RETURNING FIRE… And you might be able to overlook the baby beheadings these religious zealots committed, but they condemn that entire religion in my eyes. Wouldn’t matter a bit to me if they were any color, race, religion or nationality to me. HAMAS needs to die to the man. If their wives, children, family, and friends are in the way it’s because HAMAS put them there.

I listened to a recovery team member describe how they tied ten kids each to two beds and then lit them on fire, today. I don’t see how anyone tries to take the moral high ground in defense of those who did that. Palestinians need to make better choices in who they let have power in their communities. They’ll get another chance once Israel dismantles hamas. And for those who don’t get that chance, they can only blame Hamas and Palestinians who help them.

And I hope they kill the guy that killed that kid in Illinois. I also hope a lot of the US protestors in favor of Hamas and Palestine rapidly find their way onto a homeland security watch list, at the very minimum.

Jc

Bibi is catching all kinds of heat from his own people right now. And it’s wild to see Russia and China condemning Israel’s counter attack and essentially endorsing Hamas.

With China, once you look at the bigger picture, it makes a tad bit more sense. But other than being an agent of chaos, I dunno how this helps Russia in anyway shape or form. If they were looking for a massive distraction, this isn’t really working.

Maybe Rafael might have more incentive now to sell some Iron Dome batteries to Ukraine.

Nah, instead they’re going to launch an investigation into whether or not Israel really has space lasers.

Can't figure out why anyone would believe anything that comes out of Shapiro.

You lefties just hate the truth and anyone that presents it to you.

You wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face. You think the president of America is a communist so you must be anti-American. You don't support America. At least that's the way you claim it works if I disagree with anything the Israeli government does.

Yet in America we allow white supremacists and neo Nazi's to live among us. We allow extremists within our own government. I would just like to know what you think the Palestinian people can do to control what the military arm of their government can do? Were you guilty because trump was president?

People everywhere have trouble differentiating between "the truth" and "their truth." Many mistake the second for the first. And, the second has very little to do with the first.

Sadly, many people seem to have "brains" that could use a stint on IR. Or at least a good detox.

Hammas is a dictatorship and not elected. The Palestians have no more abilty to oust Hammas than every day Russians have of ousting Putin.

The Hammas attack was heinious and disgusting and should be condemned by everyone. The killing of innicent Palastian children and women in response should also be condemned - it should not be acceptable.

The idea of destroying Hammas at any and all costs is a falicy - every innocent man, woman and Palestian child simply leaves behind 2 or 3 relatives who are now filled with hate and more likely to join the ranks.

One of the saddest parts in all of these responses is that they really aren't paying attention. Instead we even saw one who tried to use Ben Shapiro as some frame of reference. The IDF is telling everyone what they need to know in order to understand what the impact of these missiles does and doesn't have. While that isn't their direct quotes they explain how Hamas has hundreds of miles of underground tunnels with which to hide. Here's a description of those tunnels.....



‘We know they’re waiting for us’: Gaza’s tunnels pose deadly challenge for Israeli troops

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/12/israel-hamas-war-gaza-tunnels-pose-deadly-challenge.html

So for anyone to actually believe that these airstrikes are targeting Hamas, they must believe that Hamas is too stupid to go underground where it's safe as those missiles start to fall. Hamas goes underground where it's safe as the civilian population dies.

Pit if only the IDF was as smart as you. If only they cared as much as you. If only they were enlightened as much as you. You can justify your anti-semitic rhetoric all you want but supporting Israel is supporting Israel.

So showing you what the actual Israeli military claims about their ability to go underground at any time makes me the bad guy? Well alrighty then. You do not support our government so you are anti-American. See how that works?

I support them overthrowing and defeating Hamas. I suppose in your twisted world if I don't green light every action the Israeli government takes it must mean I'm antisemitic. According to that same logic you are anti-American.

And BTW- do you really believe the military is making all of those decisions and that those orders aren't coming for the top? You think the military doesn't take orders from Netanyahu? Man, you have no idea how any of this works do you?

I'm still waiting for someone to tell the truth from the Right?

j/c...

If they aren’t bringing Donars, Yufka’s, and hooka’s with them, shoot on site.

Luckily, that's not the base where we keep our nukes in Turkey. Otherwise, none of those people would be alive.

Smoke them out. Sleeping or laughing gas could also work.

I think a few of them get their news and truth from the same place as Rashida Tlaib. Would know the truth if it bit them on the backside.

Per CNN right now, it looks like Biden is indicating that it wasn't Israel who was responsible for the hospital blast.

And it looks like the hospital itself was not hit, but rather the courtyard/parking area.

That may be true. I'm not sure your sources are any better, though.

The part about the Gaza underground tunnel complex comes straight from the mouths of Israeli military leaders and the IDF. Maybe he thinks Ben Shapiro is a better source.

There's videos that show the rocket was a misfire from Gaza and it was geolocated to be true. Sorry I don't have links. I read that last night on reddit somewhere.

That's in line with what CNN has been broadcasting all morning. Misfired by Islamic Jihad.

It's in line with MASINT that is also being shown by Israel that shows craters that result from their normal air/missile strikes juxtaposed against the parking lot which doesn't show any of the similar type of damage, but rather parking lot damage where there is burnout in some areas, but not in other proximate areas.

Israel also proferred SIGINT of a phone call conversation between two militants that corroborates that.

That could all be treated as skeptical since it's being offered by the Israelis, but Biden made the statement this morning that the DoD corroborated what Israel asserted, per below:

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-heads-middle-east-inflamed-by-gaza-hospital-blast-2023-10-18/

I think the dots line up as it being a misfire by Hamas. I'm always skeptical by what either side says when it comes to nations being at war. Winning the hearts and minds of people is a big component of war. I think all anyone can do is view the evidence and draw the best conclusion they can come up with to make their own determination. In this case the information Israel is reporting makes sense to me.

These are kind of what I was thinking. However, I was thinking hamas did it intentionally so they could blame Israel.

Of note: The rocket was fired from a cemetery. Why is that of note? Can you imagine if Israel had bombed the cemetery, what the uproar would have been against Israel???

As it is now looking, hamas screwed up, then took it up a level to blame Israel. As well as saying 500 IN the hospital died.

This is why we don't talk to terrorists.

Just a small distinction - I think it was Islamic Jihad, which is a Hamas-sympathizer, and a terrorist organization, but not "Hamas" per se.

Everything else you're saying is spot on, though. They wholeheartedly set up human shields for two main reasons: 1) to blame the Israelis, which they did, and continue to do, despite the facts coming out to garner support, and 2) to garner irrationally exuberant support from other Muslim nations to foment unrest and protests like we're seeing in Beirut and other places. They will never come out and admit to the opposite, despite the evidence coming out looking more and more like it's unequivocally IJ's fault.

Are you trying to say that only terrorists try and deceive people about what has happened during a war or the reasons leading up to war?

Thanks for the correction.

No. Are you trying to say Israel lied?

Not in this case, no. Of course that has nothing to do with the question as per usual. Your assertion is that because Hamas was lying about this incident.....


My point is that many nations, even our own has lied about wars, hidden the civilian casualties we have caused and lied about the reasons for war. We saw it in both Vietnam as well as Iraq.

This isn't the type of thing that's only done by "terrorists". It was the conclusion you came to regarding this incident as a reason not to talk to terrorists that didn't make any sense.

Apparently I was right.

I'm not sure what you think you're right about? I posted that it was Israel that I believed was telling the truth before you even chimed in about it.

Or are you talking about this part? It's obvious claim is that "we" means The United States.


When was it that the U.S. stop talking to terrorists?

In 2019 the administration in power negotiated a deal on the withdraw from Afghanistan with the Taliban. Are they not what you describe as terrorists? So not only did "we" talk to them, "we" negotiated a deal with them.

So can you point out when exactly it was that "we" stopped talking to terrorists?

According to this, it wasn't Israel that attacked the hospital.