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Rewatch what? KS hasn't won squat with those QBs that he supposedly improves...except for the one that he couldn't work with. Now he has one that can't play...and no Chubb to fall back on.

You tried to point out first that the offense was not tailored to the quarterback. That is not accurate.

Then you ignored the defensive failures that existed last year. The offense did not fail. The defense did.

Watch and then check the box score for numbers.

To add to your point. Brissett in his 11 starts had the Browns O rated in the top 10. Something he hadn't accomplished in his entire career. As you pointed out, it was the defense that was dragging the team down. But some like to use selective facts.

pit...nice try but you are wrong, again!

I support the Browns and have done so since I was a kid with one goal...win a Super Bowl.

I focus my attention on information concerning the Browns regardless of the source and most of the time I post stories for information purposes only and without posting any personal opinion that might be related to the information within the a story.

So, those who attempt to label me by linking me to a story I post ... you could not be MORE WRONG..!

Keep in mind, the Browns media machine does operate under a self imposed standard...NO UNCOORDINATED LEAKS...

There were no facts in what you posted. It's was a pure opinion piece by someone with very little credentials. Just go take a look at who this guy is and who he works for. You got caught up in his click bait. Most of us won't make that same mistake.

The ofense ranked 18th in scoring. The defense ranked 20th in scoring against.

Both sides failed.

If you include the games watson started and played after his suspension then yes.

Speaking of trades. I would love it if the Browns could somehow trade for Jacoby Brissett, and Cordarrelle Patterson while only giving up a 5th and 7th round picks. Help at QB, kick returner, and RB. Do any of you have any idea what Pattersons contract looks like?

When someone keeps posting things that back up what they themselves have espoused it makes it obvious. You're not fooling anyone here. Speaking of swooosh.....

Agreed, obviously.

A decent part of me wouldn't have been opposed to DTR given a full practice week as the #1 QB and start against Seattle. He was thrown into a bad scenario against the Ravens, in the sense that he went against a really good defense and he received no legitimate prep time. I doubt I am the only one who thought about this considering what we've seen from Walker.

But we're 2-0 with Walker and hopefully the offensive staff has continued to hone in on what is most successful from an offensive gameplan with Walker.

Hurry back, Watson.

jmo...I like Jacoby, and wouldn't mind if we do get him, but I think he has somewhat of a cult following.

I think part of the reason why the FO may not bring in Jacoby is that they don't want a cult led QB controversy to brew.

TRADE ALERTS?

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I think so too ... it's easier for them to play Walker 1-2 more weeks and hope Watson can return fairly healthy

I agree.

If Watson can't come back or ends up a dud for whatever reason, Brissett, or Dobbs, or Walker aren't the answer to anything just like Hoyer and countless others weren't the answer. Limping in to the playoffs isn't what I want. I'll take it but I want to win in the playoffs.

I will note it isn't over for Walker. He has played pretty well, but I don't have high hopes for his ceiling. Let's see how he plays today. The more he settles in to the starting role can't be a bad thing, be it is gets better or shows the team that he isn't the guy.

I know some make a deal that Walker played I the WFL or whatever it is, but we and other teams have had many players who ended up good player who took a non-traditional route to the NFL.

I think both Minninifield and Mack came out of the USFL. We have had several come out of Canadian football. Around the league several notables have had non-traditional starts to NFL success, Theisman, Warner, Flutie to name a few QB's.

It's not like the NFL has a codlock on being 100% correct with their player evaluations.

He has "played pretty well"?

I guess if you call a QBR of 23.5 and a completion rate of 50% while throwing 3 int's and 0 td's as "pretty well" we have a very different definition of what "pretty well" means.

pit..so back it up..show everyone all those posts I have made about concerning trading Watson..?

Back it up Pit..show those "things" that I posted to backup your claim..

OR, just admit that you have been reduced to someone who makes BS up in an attempt to backup your claims.

Go away kid you bother me. Everyone on here has been reading your posts. You have already proven everything that needs to be addressed.

A certain someone just got exposed unable to backup his crap and accusations.

Pitt..that was the VERY FIRST POST I'VE MADE concerning trading Watson...and it was not even my opinion, but the opinion of the writer.

I posted the article for information purposes and as a potential subject for discussion.

Not sure who you might be trying to impress but most of us oldtimers know you like to talk...

Keep looking for that proof to backup your claim about all those articles I've posted about trading Watson.

Now that Washington lost, we should be able to trade for Brissett.

Rivera has final say on player personnel. Unless he gets overridden by the owner, why would he do that for a late round pick?

Because personnel types love lottery tickets

With Cousins going down for the season, any decent backup will be pursued heavily by Minnesota probably already starting this evening. If Brissett is the best available, the price just went way up while Berry was taking a wait as see stand. Brissett was immediately mentioned when Cousins went down. Also, not sure about the Tyrod Taylor injury but he's being held in the hospital overnight so the Giants could be down their #1 and #2 and reaching out for Brissett or another top backup out there. Sure hope this doesn't turn out to be a "snooze and you lose" case for the Browns.

Kyler Murray will be available ... at least that's the rumor

He could be a Minnesota candidate

Who said it has to be a late round pick?

Sure I hate to give up a 3rd or 4th for him. But at this point what have we got to lose? We've already trashed the future for Watson anyway. Don't let this season go down the drain waiting for Watson, it looks like it's going to be awhile. Get Brisset back here.

Whether there was injury to other starters on other teams - the way we just lost to Seattle, the price just went up regardless. Oh well.

I agree and would add it was already pretty high.

I think the Browns are looking at it the right way. In most cases, back-up QBs rarely save a season. At best you hope to get .500 ball out them, and that isn't even for a seasons worth of games. The reality is if a team loses their QB for an extended period, they are pretty much screwed. It's been that way for the 65 or so years I have been following the team and NFL. It's going to be that way moving in to the future another 60 years.

At this point we have been a patchwork at QB for 4 games now. The question we face is how much more time will Watson be out? I don't want to trade a higher pick to pick up a guy who might play just 1-2 games. If Watson is out longer, the new guy is still going to play .500 ball over the remainder of the season...at best. We are trending on that .500 mark with the guys we have.

If Watson is out for a good while longer, it might be time to admit the reality and go back to DTR because he has a higher ceiling. If Watson never regains form, we are going to have to play somebody next year and then draft a QB the following draft. DTR gives us the best chance over the next several seasons if it come to that.

I agree Peen We can get through the Arizona game, but then after that the alarm bells will be ringing: at Baltimore, Pittsburgh, at Denver, at LA Rams, Jacksonville


That's the biggest stretch of the year ... we can't have Walker back there

Bingo, 'peen. DTR is the future and we (should) know what Walker's ceiling is. This PJ thing simply has to end....

This simply cannot happen. Walker likely will not even be on our roster next season!

Walker is averaging like 3 TO's a game, and that number should be around 5 .. he simply can't be our QB after this coming Sunday

Bump.

You've railed against this FO for a long time. Everyone knows it and the article you posted only backs that up.

But yeah, you're right. Whatever you say. People can't read and haven't seen what you've been posting for a long time and how this simply reinforces it.

So some are claiming that a 5th round project is the future? Come on man. Do you know how low the odds are of that becoming true?

I disagree. If we are, in fact, a contending team then we should have a competent backup for this exact situation. Walker ain't it, and the fact he's starting over DTR means he ain't it either. DTR is a guy that needs a little time to develop, and playing him to "see what we've got" is what teams do that already know they aren't playing in the postseason.

Because trading anything earlier isn't logical at all, it's desperation.

This is sound thinking

We are trashing the future when we make decisions like giving a 2nd to 4th (i would even add a 5th to this equation) for a backup QB who "might" play 4 games at the most for us. "We" as fans have nothing to lose b/c fans are thinking of only this year. It's the FO/staff job to focus on this year AND the future. It's their job to do so, if not then they won't have that job anymore.

To add on, that 3rd or 4th round pick is valuable to a team like ours b/c of contracts. Those picks can help trade up or trade down, those help with trades that wouldn't normally happen. Example: we traded a 5th and 6th for Cooper. Thats a piece of the flexibility needed to sustain long term success.
I understand some/most being upset about trading Dobbs. It's a sound reason. However, trading him for a 5th is sound too. Especially when the Cards weren't going to have Kyler Murray for a big part of the season.