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That's the only positive I can see out of this Speaker of the House debacle. Trump's ego driven desperation and obsession for needing attention is not being met. You know that must be killing him.


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And that gag order.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That's the only positive I can see out of this Speaker of the House debacle. Trump's ego driven desperation and obsession for needing attention is not being met. You know that must be killing him.

Bigger deal is gym jordan is an election denier, will lead to a govt shutdown and would never certify the '24 election if the outcome was like 2020

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Jan. 6 rioter who wielded 2x4 wooden plank in Capitol sentenced to nearly 3 years in prison

Jacob Travis Clark of Colorado was seen in video footage holding the plank moments before a U.S. Capitol Police officer was struck with it, the Justice Department said.

A Colorado man who allegedly hit a police officer with a 2x4 wooden plank during the Jan. 6 riot was sentenced Friday to nearly three years in prison.

Jacob Travis Clark of Colorado Springs was sentenced to 33 months in prison, followed by 12 months of supervised release, the Justice Department said in a news release.

Clark had requested nine months in prison and a period of supervised release, according to a sentencing memo written by his lawyer that said Clark “regretted his actions by January 7th.”

During a bench trial in Washington, D.C., this year, Clark was found guilty of obstructing an official proceeding, a felony, as well as five misdemeanor counts related to his conduct at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

According to court documents, Clark drove to Washington, D.C., a day before the riot and attended former President Donald Trump's rally at the Ellipse, sending a text to his father that read: “It’s a trump thing I’m here for the riots when they say he isn’t the winner lol.”

Clark spent roughly 40 minutes inside the Capitol and was seen in video footage holding a 2x4 wooden plank moments before a U.S. Capitol Police officer was struck with it, the Justice Department said.

He also joined a crowd of rioters who threatened law enforcement, later texting images of the breach saying, “I helped break down the door." He also wrote, “I was the first one in the chamber,” according to court documents.

An attorney for Clark did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday night.

More than 1,100 people have been charged for crimes related to the Capitol riot, according to the Justice Department.

Last month, former Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was sentenced to 22 years in federal prison on a seditious conspiracy charge. It was the longest Jan. 6 sentence yet, exceeding the 18 years for Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, who was also found guilty of seditious conspiracy.

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Wait, they aren’t all getting decades in prison like all the MAGA gopers are proclaiming?


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Nope. Mainly only those who have been convicted of very serious crimes such as seditious conspiracy. But then they know that already no matter how many tantrums they throw claiming otherwise.


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Trump State Department appointee sentenced to nearly 6 years for role in Jan. 6 attack

The State Department appointee was involved in the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

A former Trump administration State Department appointee was sentenced Friday to nearly six years in prison for his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Frederico "Freddie" Klein was convicted of eight felonies including six assaults, civil disorder and obstruction of an official proceeding. Prosecutors said he "waged a relentless siege on police officers" as he attempted to enter the Capitol with a large mob of rioters.

"Your actions on Jan. 6 were shocking and egregious," Judge Trevor McFadden told the Trump administration appointee before handing down his sentence of five years and 10 months behind bars.

Dressed in a dark suit and red-patterned tie, Klein waived his right to address the court himself.

His defense attorney, Stanley Woodward said a significantly lower sentence was warranted.

"No one person caused the events of Jan. 6," Woodward said, while acknowledging the infamy of the day.

Woodward argued that prosecutors were going after his client too aggressively because of his status as a former political appointee. Judge McFadden's sentence was ultimately well below the 10 years the government sought.

Klein was accused of using a stolen police riot shield to jam open an entryway to the Capitol building and push back officers.

Former Capitol Police Sgt. Aquilino Gonell was one of the several officers who said they were assaulted by Klein and the mob of rioters.

"I went from protecting the Capitol building to fighting for my survival," Gonell told the court.

Gonell said he still suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder as a result of Jan. 6, and that Klein's actions contributed to the end of his law enforcement career.

Klein will serve two years of supervised release following his prison term.

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I would have handed out much harsher sentences for all these traitors. IMO anyone involved in the attacks on cops should get 10yrs minimum, up to 20 yrs total. The insurrectionists that sauntered inside the capitol building during the aftermath (after the violent breach) doing little to no harm should bbe the only ones getting a slap on the wrist.


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Just curious. You mean anyone that attacks cops or just those that did on January 6th?


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Just curious. You mean anyone that attacks cops or just those that did on January 6th?

Nice way of presenting a whatabout. Lol

Anyway..I’m pretty sure most violent attacks on any cops would be getting stiffer penalties than what most of these violent insurrections are getting.


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Asking someone's opinion is not, as you say, "presenting a whatabout".

Nice way of making absolutely no sense and then doing the very thing you accused me of. You're a special kind of special.


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You're a special kind of special.

Coming from a man that claims someone only has a commercial grade fork lift to raise 50 pounds of razor wire?


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Everything I do is special. And nice way of deflecting your whatabout into a personal attack.


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You're a special kind of special.

Coming from a man that claims someone only has a commercial grade fork lift to raise 50 pounds of razor wire?

Lol Biden’s forklift.


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You're a special kind of special.

Coming from a man that claims someone only has a commercial grade fork lift to raise 50 pounds of razor wire?

What?? You need help. rofl


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Nah, just a shirt. No forklift needed. rofl

i mean if you're going to go off the rails questioning someone else being special, don't pretend you won't get some backlash. Best as I can tell you're no Sherlock Holmes.


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Take that shirt/jacket through that wire Pit, we’ll just call you Nick, Slice, Dice, or Shred from now on… rolleyes


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People do it all the time, dawg. He's got a vid to prove it. Actually, the BP has been cutting the wire because Mexico is running out of blankets.


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You mean they are cutting it and don't need a forklift? Finally a word of honesty from you.


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Goalpost shift #38


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rofl

When all else fails make the goal post claim. That's what happens when facts are not your friend.


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rofl

When all else fails make the goal post claim. That's what happens when facts are not your friend.

There are those for whom facts are never friendly.


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And now for something completely different.....

Tennessee man admits to conspiring with Jan. 6 defendant to kill FBI agents

Austin Carter said that he plotted with Edward Kelley, who is awaiting trial on Jan. 6 charges, to kill as many as 37 people. Kelley has pleaded not guilty to murder conspiracy charges.

WASHINGTON — An associate of a Jan. 6 defendant pleaded guilty this week to charges that the two men plotted “to murder employees of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”

Austin Carter, who was a 26-year-old security officer and a member of the Army Reserves at the time of his arrest in December 2022, admitted in a plea agreement that he “unlawfully and knowingly combined, conspired, and agreed with his co-defendant,” Edward Kelley, to kill FBI personnel.

Carter admitted that he provided a cooperating witness “with a list of FBI employees that CARTER received from KELLEY” on or about Dec. 13, 2022, and that Carter instructed the cooperating witness “to memorize the FBI employees identified on the list and then burn the list.” Kelley and Carter “discussed plans to attack the FBI Field Office in Knoxville, Tennessee” and that the purpose of the conspiracy was “to retaliate against government conduct,” Carter admitted.

A court filing from December said that the list Kelley provided included about 37 names of law enforcement personnel who worked on Kelley’s Jan. 6 case, and identified which officers were present when Kelley was arrested.

Kelley, an anti-abortion activist, was initially arrested in May 2022 after he was identified as one of the first rioters to breach the Capitol on Jan. 6. Video from the Jan. 6 riot shows a man identified as Kelley using a piece of wood to breach a window, jumping through the window, and then kicking open a fire escape, allowing other rioters to stream inside the Capitol.

Kelley and Carter were arrested in connection with the alleged murder plot last December.

A jury trial for Kelley in the federal murder conspiracy case is scheduled for January, while a status conference in his Jan. 6 case is set for December.

Carter and prosecutors agreed this week that “a sentence not greater than 120 months in prison is the appropriate disposition of this case.” A detention memo from after Carter's arrest noted that he “worked for four different security companies and is a member of the Army Reserves, where he received advanced training.”

About 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, and an additional 1,000 suspects have been identified but not yet charged. The statute of limitations on most of the crimes committed on Jan. 6 expires in a bit over two years, in early 2026.

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Fire up old sparky for these two scumbags.


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Anti Abortion people kinda crack me up a little. Don't want the unborn killed but will kill to prevent it.


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Jan. 6 suspect who fled police used chemical spray on officers at Capitol, prosecutors say

Gregory Yetman was the subject of a dayslong manhunt in New Jersey last week.

Jan. 6 defendant Gregory Yetman, who turned himself in to authorities Friday after a major police manhunt in New Jersey, allegedly deployed chemical spray at officers during the riot at the U.S. Capitol, according to charging documents unsealed Monday by the Justice Department.

Yetman's arrest affidavit reveals investigators had been looking into his actions at the Capitol dating back to a week and a half after Jan. 6, 2021 -- when the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division received information that he had admitted to being at the riot in a series of Facebook posts.

FBI agents interviewed him on Jan. 22, 2021, when he denied being part of any violence and stated anyone who entered the building or assaulted officers "should be prosecuted," according to the affidavit.

However, prosecutors say they later gathered information that Yetman was among the scores of rioters who engaged in assaults against police -- specifically using an MK-46H chemical spray canister against a line of officers trying to protect the building, the affidavit says.

Prosecutors include numerous photos they say show Yetman's movements outside of the building leading up to him allegedly deploying the spray at officers on the West Front of the Capitol. They say Yetman picked up the canister just seconds after another rioter had set it down on the ground and walked away from it.

They allege Yetman sprayed officers for "approximately 12-14 seconds" as they were trying to fend off repeated assaults by other members of the pro-Donald Trump mob.

Yetman has not entered a plea to the charges and doesn't have an attorney listed for him yet, according to court records.

He is due in federal court in Newark on Monday.

Yetman, 47, is charged with several offenses from the Capitol insurrection, some felonies, including assaulting officers; obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder; entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds; engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds; and act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings.

A federal arrest warrant was issued for Yetman on Nov. 6, and officials were looking for him in the area of Helmetta, a borough in Middlesex County, law enforcement officials said last week.

He surrendered to police in Monroe Township on Friday, officials said.

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That should be a wrap. But with Trump and his Circus, you just never know. Some (I'll not mention names) have been warning folks about Trump for Years, Hopefully this will get a few of those that still follow him to back off. I have my doubts.


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I think we all know it won't change a damned thing.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I think we all know it won't change a damned thing.

One can hope....


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You know what is funny about this. When Sydney Powell flipped last month, she said that she was a lawyer for trump and they had many conversations around Jan 2021 time frame. trump came out last month and said that Sydney Powell never represented him.

I would think that it would be noted by prosecutors that trump said Powell was never his lawyer-because if she was never his lawyer, then everything they spoke about is fair game-there is no attorney client privilege.

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That would be 100% correct. His mouth has been his undoing all along.


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Originally Posted by OldColdDawg

You know what is funny about this. When Sydney Powell flipped last month, she said that she was a lawyer for trump and they had many conversations around Jan 2021 time frame. trump came out last month and said that Sydney Powell never represented him.

I would think that it would be noted by prosecutors that trump said Powell was never his lawyer-because if she was never his lawyer, then everything they spoke about is fair game-there is no attorney client privilege.

That probably doesn't make a difference.. She's giving it all up anyway....... Or at least shes supposed to be doing that.


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Hard to believe trump can find anyone to represent him short of a public defender. He’s screwed over or fired just about every lawyer he’s ever had and there has been a lot.


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Hard to believe trump can find anyone to represent him short of a public defender. He’s screwed over or fired just about every lawyer he’s ever had and there has been a lot.


I'm guessing that every lawyer he has right now has agreed to represent him IF they are paid in Advance.. But that doesn't answer for those that are stupid enough to commit criminal offenses on his behalf. I'm not sure how they can justify that.


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Some attorney's probably think that all of the spotlight and attention will make them famous and in the end help further their careers. As we can see, there are plenty of trumpians who now, and given their actions currently, will probably in the future have a dire need for an attorney. That's a lot of future business and they want on that list.


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Ohio man sentenced to nearly 5 years in prison for attacks on police during Capitol riot

An Ohio man who repeatedly attacked police officers as he joined a mob of Donald Trump supporters in storming the U.S. Capitol was sentenced on Thursday to nearly five years in prison.

Kenneth Joseph Owen Thomas has acted as a “one-man misinformation machine” since the Jan. 6, 2021, riot, using his social media platforms to spread false narratives about the attack, according to federal prosecutors. They say Thomas produces more than 20 hours of Jan. 6-related online content every week.

“The primary message Thomas attempts to convey throughout all of his appearances is ‘Jan 6th was a Setup,’ words that are emblazoned front and center on the landing page for the website and ‘brand’ he created after his arrest,” prosecutors wrote in a court filing.

U.S. District Judge Dabney Friedrich sentenced Thomas, 41, of East Liverpool, Ohio, to four years and 10 months of incarceration, according to online court records. The judge also ordered him to pay a $20,000 fine and $2,000 in restitution.

Prosecutors recommended a prison term of nine years and one month and sought a fine of $77,607. Thomas, they say, has raised at least that much money in online forums, including a website called, “Help Joseph Thomas Let Freedom Sing.”

Thomas was arrested in Huntsville, Alabama, in May 2021. In June 2023, a jury in Washington, D.C., convicted Thomas of assault charges and other offenses. Jurors also acquitted him of two counts, including obstruction of a congressional proceeding, and deadlocked on two other counts.

Thomas’ attorneys said he is “brutally aware of the seriousness of his conduct” on Jan. 6 and takes “full and complete responsibility for his actions.”

“None of the officers contacted by Mr. Thomas on Jan. 6 reported any physical pain or injuries attributed to Mr. Thomas. In fact at least one of the officers openly admitted under oath in open court that he didn’t even remember Mr. Thomas at all,” the defense lawyers wrote.

More than 100 police officers were injured at the Capitol, where the mob temporarily stopped Congress from certifying President Joe Biden’s 2020 electoral victory over Trump.

Thomas attended Trump’s Jan. 6 “Stop the Steal” rally near the White House with his wife and daughter, but he left them behind as he marched to the Capitol.

Thomas physically and verbally attacked police lines and urged other rioters to “hold the line” with him, prosecutors said. He also repeatedly shouted at police to ”stand down” and joined a chant calling them “traitors.”

Police body camera video captured Thomas charging at a line of officers in riot gear, shoving an officer who pushed him back down a set of steps.

“Undeterred by having been repulsed once, Thomas again pumped his arms and charged full speed up the steps a second time,” prosecutors wrote.

Video shows him pushing another officer’s chest. Over the next hour, he continued to harass and push back against officers who were trying to clear the Capitol’s Upper West Terrace, prosecutors said.

A police officer who testified at Thomas’ trial said rioters turned their backs on police, linked arms and collectively pushed against the line of officers.

“When we were trying to push, I remember just being pressed so hard it felt like my lungs caving in. It felt like they couldn’t expand. I couldn’t breathe,” the officer said, according to prosecutors.

Thomas appeared to be streaming live video while attacking police, according to prosecutors.

“Despite Thomas’ persistent efforts to minimize and, in fact to valorize, his conduct, he was a key figure in a violent riot and assaulted numerous police officers,” prosecutors wrote.

Thomas served in the U.S. Navy but was dismissed after getting punished three times for misconduct. He also has a criminal record that includes convictions for domestic battery and burglary, according to prosecutors.

Approximately 1,200 people have been charged with Capitol riot-related federal crimes. Over 800 of them have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury or judge after a trial. Over 700 of them have been sentenced, with roughly two-thirds receiving terms of imprisonment ranging from three days to 22 years.

https://apnews.com/article/kenneth-...tencing-e5d50f43dc1c7af2dd2df62cf579fee6

Trump now has another name to add to the pardon list. I guess that whole "we support law enforcement" thing is a sham too because I don't see any of them here outraged about any of this.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

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5 years for a repeat violent offender with a dishonorable discharge. Pffft. Our justice system is weak on repeat violent criminals.


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Our system is weak on domestic terrorism.


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