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j/c: I know I shouldn't respond to this topic, but it amazes me how much hate there is for Anderson.  The guy wasn't a high draft choice. He wasn't an expensive free agent. He has put up the best numbers since we have returned. He has won a ton of games. And yet, most people on here hate on him.  What's really crazy is that most of the people hating on him are the same people who made every excuse in the book for Timid.  The guy is playing way better than I ever thought possible. I was one of the haters. I actually thought Frye was a better option. I was wrong! But unlike many people on here, I can admit to it and move on. DA is very young. He is very inexperienced. He is not a finished product. He needs time to improve his game. And he has improved his game as the season went on. He has an extremely strong arm, something your darling will never have. And while DA isn't extremely accurate, he is not as inaccurate as many make him out to be. And it was your darling who earned the name "Wild Thing" amongst his teammates, not DA. And "Wild Thing" doesn't have anything to do w/his lifestyle. DA's decision making is a work in progress. It is not where it needs to be, but the guy has improved some. Your darling might be a better decision maker, but I'm telling you now.........the Browns run game will be less effective w/your darling at the helm.....and the team will score fewer points because your darling will not stretch the field. It's pretty clear to me that the knocks on DA are fueled by agenda. The agenda is that you all couldn't wait for DA to screw up so you could start hollering for BQ. And even though DA has been one of the better QBs in the league this year, you're still crying and whining for a guy who has done absolutely nothing against good competition. These BS agenda-filled arguments are the primary reason I really didn't miss the board.
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Good to see you again Vers...even if you are wrong.  I hope... Seriously...and FWIW...I hope you come back around to this Board. Merry Christmas you Grinch. 
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Thanks for the welcome back..........but why in the world would you "hope" I am wrong about Anderson not being as bad as people are making him out to be?
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Vers, Does wanting to get back into the first round or at least the early second fall into having an agenda? That is a serious question because if we can get that for DA, I say we jump all over it. Do I "KNOW" BQ is better, as many on this board seem too? Nope, I don't, but I do "THINK" we could at least do as well with BQ. God knows, I might very well be wrong because like you, I thought Frye would be a better option this yr, which shows how much I know about the QB position.  All I am saying is that I think that we could most definatly use that 1st round pick we gave up for Quinn, and I also think we would not be any worse off with Quinn at QB. Hell, if some on here are right, we could be better. So if wanting to get back into the early draft rounds is an agenda, then yes, I have one. But I don't think that's what you were talking about was it 
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You know what scares me about Anderson, the biggest game of the year- the biggest game in many years- and he CHOKED!
And i like Anderson, i am of the mind set of keeping Anderson because we know what we have in him over an unproven Quinn. But, it makes you wonder if it was a one game thing or him cracking under the playoff pressure. And if that is going to become the trend- that is not the QB of the future. But Anderson is young, i think he still has a ton of upside potential. I think the browns still have one more year to figure out who will be the qb to lead this team.
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Yes, that is a concern. I don't really think he choked; I just think he had a poor game.
The wind was a huge factor. Palmer, who also has a great arm, had his passes sail too. DA's poor performance was more evident because he threw over two times as many passes as Palmer. If those two guys had their passes sail on them, imagine someone like Quinn or Frye.
I do understand that DA made some poor decisions in the game. No excuses. He played a bad game. But, the guy is still young and evolving. I'm not sure if he will become a very good to great QB, but it galls me how so many people are throwing him under the bus.
I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but it's just unfair and I was sticking up for him. Someone on another thread mentioned how DA and RAC take all the blame for the losses, while never getting any credit for the wins. I really detest the subjective criticism.
And besides..............DA and RAC are two of the biggest reasons for the team's success this year. And I will continue to believe that no matter what anyone says!
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As scary as it is for us to agree on a QB ...... we do. I have seen a lot of really great stuff from Anderson this season. There has been some really bad, and some really frustrating mixed in ...... but I expect that from an inexperienced guy. Overall though, Anderson has far exceeded any reasonable (or even unreasonable) expectations for the QB position this season. People talk about the line's improvement ... and they have improved ..... but Anderson's ability to get the ball out quickly also helped. People complain about accuracy ...... but he isn't a "dink and dunk" type guy. He gets the ball into the hands of the playmakers. Is he a finished product? Not by any streth of the imagination. Can he improve? I think he can. His decision making has improved ... the last game aside ...... and he has 2 things that you absolutely cannot teach or coach ..... and those are height and arm strength. He also has confidence and leadership. You can alo tell that the team expects to win with him under Center ...... no matter what the circumstances. He shook of adversity yesterday, and when he had a perfect chance to crumble, but instead threw a couple of TDs and once again we found ourselves in a position to win at the end. He has some really frustrating moments .... and sometimes throws some passes that make me say "WTF was he looking at???" ...... but the good has far outweighed the bad this year. Who can say for sure about next year ..... but if he manages to hold off Quinn, there will be many who will continue to rake him over the coals for each and every time he fails to be "perfect". Like you, I don't understand the venom often thrown his way. If this were Couch or Quinn doing this, people would be falling all over themselves to join the choir and sing his praises. However .. the old axiom about the backup QB being the most popular guy in town remains true ... even when the starter exceeds any and all expectations.
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Agenda? Maybe for some, but not for me. Too bad you've been elsewhere this season, my friend... or you'd have seen many of us present the exact same arguments as you just have. I was one of those Dawgs who maintained his position of not ever really wanting to see Golden Boy this season... and I got my wish. The team did well, DA surprised the hell outta me, and we're STILL in the playoff hunt (for what that is worth...) My comments were strictly based on what he's shown me. FWIW, I still see all the stuff you pointed out. I'm just starting to believe that although he'll continue to improve, he'll probably reach his ceiling by the end of next season... and I'm not quite sure that level of play will be enough to take us all the way. I'm not sold on Quinn, either. I never watched Notre Dame games, and am not a big fan of college ball... too many teams, too many players hehe. Bottom line: I'm confident in Savage's decision-making... so what he chooses to do with Derek will be ok with me. My observations about DA were strictly that... couldn't care less about Quinn, until he actually becomes a factor in Browns football. Some of us really can have views without an agenda...
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DA makes just enough great throws a game to make people forget all of the easy ones he either misses completely or misses bad enough that our receivers have to contort themselves to make a catch thus eliminating any chance for YAC and also exposing them to viscious hits. Quote:
no matter what the circumstances. He shook of adversity yesterday, and when he had a perfect chance to crumble, but instead threw a couple of TDs and once again we found ourselves in a position to win at the end.
Sorry, I can't keep giving the guy credit for "almost" digging us out of holes HE created. I've given him credit when we were let down by the defense and he played well... but I'm not going to give him credit for almost overcoming his own failures.. and he did crumble, he crumbled quite a few times and in this case, the defense "almost" did enough to bail him out. At the end of the first half, he paniced.. he paniced big time.... and he paniced twice. In the first drive of the second half, he paniced again.. It was first down on the 9.. if the receiver isn't open, throw it away or at least throw it high (which he USUALLY has no problem doing when he's not trying to) instead he hits the defender in the back.. Then in the 4th quarter with 7 minutes to go he paniced yet again, only the defense was nice enough to get him the ball back on the next play... then and ONLY then, did he actually make the throw he needed to make.. which happened to be to a pretty wide open BE... Then on the final drive instead of setting his feet and trying to make a good throw with minimal pressure, he tries to throw it 35 yards on the run and misses everybody by 10 yards...
I've also noticed that as his QB rating has steadily fallen, his TD to INT ratio is now well below 2:1, and his yards per game numbers are sliding.. he's no longer compared to Manning and Brady like he was mid-season, now it's "He's still young"...
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That's fine if a strong armed guy hurling it 30 yards downfield is what you want or need... the Browns need a consistent running game for 1 primary reason, they play in a lot of cold weather cities where snow and wind are often a factor in the last quarter of the season and into the playoffs... so along those same lines, I'd rather have a QB that can consistently complete the 8 yard pass than one who can occassionally throw the 30 yard bullet.. We've lost more than one game this year, and almost lost a couple others, because at the end, we couldn't run the ball well enough and our control passing game was awful and we couldn't protect a lead.....
DA has done some very good things and helped us win some games this year, but I have reasons beyond blind hate to feel that he's not the best long term fit for this team... and look at it this way, if DA is traded and BQ plays EXACTLY the same, we are still ahead because of whatever we get for DA.... I've seen people say that there is no guarantee that Quinn is the next Tom Brady, well he doesn't have to be to make trading DA a good move, he just has to be as good or better than DA....
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DA is not a franchise QB. Lets hope he has great game against San Fran and another team falls in love. Maybe we can get back into round one. He will never take us to the super bowl.
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I have been biting my tongue when it comes to DA all year saying I would wait till the end of the season to make up my mind about him. I didn't comment after his good games, and I didn't comment on his bad games. I have stayed out of the debates about keeping him or signing him or trading him, and I will continue to bite my tongue until a few weeks after the season ends.
Biting your tongue has got to hurt. Not as much as watching him play yesterday but it's still got to hurt.
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I know I shouldn't respond to this topic, but it amazes me how much hate there is for Anderson.
The guy wasn't a high draft choice.
He wasn't an expensive free agent.
He has put up the best numbers since we have returned.
He has won a ton of games.
And yet, most people on here hate on him.
What's really crazy is that most of the people hating on him are the same people who made every excuse in the book for Timid.
The guy is playing way better than I ever thought possible. I was one of the haters. I actually thought Frye was a better option. I was wrong! But unlike many people on here, I can admit to it and move on.
DA is very young. He is very inexperienced. He is not a finished product. He needs time to improve his game. And he has improved his game as the season went on.
He has an extremely strong arm, something your darling will never have. And while DA isn't extremely accurate, he is not as inaccurate as many make him out to be. And it was your darling who earned the name "Wild Thing" amongst his teammates, not DA. And "Wild Thing" doesn't have anything to do w/his lifestyle.
DA's decision making is a work in progress. It is not where it needs to be, but the guy has improved some. Your darling might be a better decision maker, but I'm telling you now.........the Browns run game will be less effective w/your darling at the helm.....and the team will score fewer points because your darling will not stretch the field.
It's pretty clear to me that the knocks on DA are fueled by agenda. The agenda is that you all couldn't wait for DA to screw up so you could start hollering for BQ. And even though DA has been one of the better QBs in the league this year, you're still crying and whining for a guy who has done absolutely nothing against good competition.
These BS agenda-filled arguments are the primary reason I really didn't miss the board.
I think you're confusing "hate" with "objectivity."
I don't think anyone on this board hates DA per say. He's been way, WAY better than that bum who started the year.
But objectively speaking, he's not a franchise QB. He's not a Manning or Brady or Roethlisberger or Romo. He's too inaccurate and too often fails to see the checkdown man and if he does, the throw is often off target.
Does that take away from what is a STELLAR year compared to other years for Browns QB's? No.
But when comparing to the rest of the league...yes. DA's not a guy you can build the franchise around. He's not a game manager either, he's a gunslinger. He'll do some awesome, awesome things but will frustrate you also.
If BQ is more accurate and methodical, I like BQ. IF BQ is what I think he is. I wish I knew how he looks in practice now and his mental capabilities with handling the offense.
By the way, that "Wild thing" term his teammates (Tucker) gave him...based on what I saw in the preseason, even against a 1st team O, that was VERY CLEARLY not the case. I had never seen someone display such poise, confidence, starting QB demeanor and footwork in their rookie season even in the preseason.
I KNOW I didn't see it out of Beck or Kolb when I watched their preseason games.
I for one do not hate DA...in the big picture I am thrilled. I just see him for what he is. And it's not an elite QB.
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now with a cooler head, I sort agree. we should of run out the clock at the end of the 1st half, jamal was getting 5 and 10 yard runs
We're trying to throw the ball downfield and he checked the ball down to Trent Richardson and the Indians on the choice.
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I know I shouldn't respond to this topic, but it amazes me how much hate there is for Anderson.
The guy wasn't a high draft choice.
He wasn't an expensive free agent.
He has put up the best numbers since we have returned.
He has won a ton of games.
And yet, most people on here hate on him.
What's really crazy is that most of the people hating on him are the same people who made every excuse in the book for Timid.
The guy is playing way better than I ever thought possible. 0
Oh, this IS rich!!!!
People see things "differently" so they're labeled as "haters". What a frickin' cop out!
It has NOTHING to do with "hating" anyone.
Of course you already know that...........................
We are simply coming to a crossroads. And it is very logical to break down a players strengths and weaknesses, your options at the position and how to move on in the future. It's not a "Love/Hate" thing.
We have two QB's. One has great physical skills, our FO hitched their wagons to him and see him as the future. Or are you trying to imply that DA is "franchise QB material"?
If you break down the strengths and weakness objectively, there's not "that much to love". With a very productive supporting cast, we have done pretty well this year. But haven't you yourself understood that if you can run and protect your QB, your QB WILL "do better"? You, if ANYONE on this board does, realise fully that it IS because of this OL that your QB has time to gain confidence and play "better" than he would otherwise.
For me, it's not a love or hate thing with DA. It's "getting where we want to be". IMO, DA does not have the attributes to make a "franchise QB". He has outplayed my expectations. I do feel he fit into this O better than Charlie would have.
But the attributes DO exist in Quinn that do not exist in DA. That is a simple fact. So the question is more "How do we move forward" than "Love/Hate". More, "How do we reach that 'next level' to achieve greatness" than "Love hate".
Why is it on this board, that ANY TIME you criticize ANYONE, you're a "hater"? This isn't frickin' Jr. High ya know..........................
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Thanks for the welcome back..........but why in the world would you "hope" I am wrong about Anderson not being as bad as people are making him out to be?
Sorry that wasn't very clear...
I hope people don't hate DA...even though I think he should've been replaced as far back as the Texans game...
And I hope you are incorrect regarding BQ...even though I didn't want us to draft him OR move up to get him...
Nice call on JT and his footwork...looking forward to more of that from you.
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It's MY fault...I jinxed him today...
Sunday morning I broke down and bought an authentic QUINN jersey...lol
WTF did I buy a Quinn jersey???...I TOLD myself my next one would be a #00 with DAWGS on the back...
I'm an IDIOT... 
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But when comparing to the rest of the league...yes. DA's not a guy you can build the franchise around. He's not a game manager either, he's a gunslinger. He'll do some awesome, awesome things but will frustrate you also.
If BQ is more accurate and methodical, I like BQ. IF BQ is what I think he is. I wish I knew how he looks in practice now and his mental capabilities with handling the offense.
By the way, that "Wild thing" term his teammates (Tucker) gave him...based on what I saw in the preseason, even against a 1st team O, that was VERY CLEARLY not the case. I had never seen someone display such poise, confidence, starting QB demeanor and footwork in their rookie season even in the preseason.
I have to agree with Vers, and also would like to use your above statement to prove your well known agenda.
As far as what you say about Quinn's preseason performance, it was also said about McCown, Frye, and many other rookies I've seen over the years. Just because YOU have never seen anyone look as poised, it just helps your Quinn agenda using that as some sort of fact.
I do blame DA for yesterdays loss, along with a faulty playcalling (IMO), but DA is very young and also talented. He's rated in the top of the league as far as QBs are concerned, yet guys like you never see any upside, basically because you don't want to.
Those stating things like "he has developed as much as he can", and he could never be a franchise QB, are all using opinion as if it were fact. It would be just as likely that he progresses even more in his game with a whole offseason as the starter. Saying he couldn't is just an opinion or a personal hope of some.
You using a term like "objectivity" is a laugher. You have a Quinn love an it has been apparent for quite some time. Maybe if you were truly objective, you would see that DA is not the bum you make him out to be.
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I do blame DA for yesterdays loss, along with a faulty play calling (IMO), but DA is very young and also talented. He's rated in the top of the league as far as QBs are concerned, yet guys like you never see any upside, basically because you don't want to.
Completion percentage he's rated #27 in the league at 56.6%.
QB rating he's #18 in the league at 82.7%
This is all while he's enjoyed one of the better OL's in the league as he's tied for 3rd in the league in sacks, down only 13 times . Only two QB's have been sacked less and one of those is a part-timer Sage Rosenfels.
I'm sorry, which "top of the league" are you referring to?
Maybe that he's tied for 3rd in the league for interceptions with 18? 8 of these came in the first 7 games and the last 8 games he's had 10.
He is #5 in the league with TD's  but 17 of those came in the first 7 games and the other 11 came in the last 8 games.
Either he's getting worse as the year drags on, or and the more likely thing is teams are preparing better for him and forcing him to throw underneath. Which he really excels at.
Tossing out all those stats, and ridiculous statements like, "He's rated in the top of the league as far as QBs are concerned", It comes down to this.
In the clutch, in the biggest game of his life, when it was on the line in a must produce situation, he folded and cost the team control of it's future. He simply couldn't handle the pressure.
At best, once teams began to game plan for him, he's an average QB in today's NFL.
Is BQ any better? Who knows, we've not seen the guy in a real game yet. It's all pure speculation at this point but I know this, I'd like to see what he can do in a real game while we this golden opportunity.
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I have been biting my tongue when it comes to DA all year saying I would wait till the end of the season to make up my mind about him. I didn't comment after his good games, and I didn't comment on his bad games. I have stayed out of the debates about keeping him or signing him or trading him, and I will continue to bite my tongue until a few weeks after the season ends.
Biting your tongue has got to hurt. Not as much as watching him play yesterday but it's still got to hurt.
NAAA it's easy, when I comment on him I want it to be a thought out response that comes from the head, not from the heart. With the few teeth I have left biting the tongue doesn't feel to bad 
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He's rated in the top of the league as far as QBs are concerned, yet guys like you never see any upside, basically because you don't want to.
Really? He is near the top of the league in touchdowns and yards, but when you throw the 7th most passes in the league, that is to be expected, especially when you get a huge percentage of those stats against the easiest defenses in the league. In other stats that measure his accuracy (Interceptions 29th, Completion % 27th), he's near league bottom. If you let any guy throw a ton, he should be capable of putting up good stats. It's minimizing the other stuff that truly separates a guy from the pack (or in DA's case, separates him from the league's elite)
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Those stating things like "he has developed as much as he can", and he could never be a franchise QB, are all using opinion as if it were fact. It would be just as likely that he progresses even more in his game with a whole offseason as the starter. Saying he couldn't is just an opinion or a personal hope of some.
His scouting report out of college said that he had a laser arm and could occasionally put up a beautiful ball, but was generally inaccurate, inconsistent, a poor decision maker and immobile. What exactly has changed? I've been saying it all along - he's developed some, but in general, he's the exact same guy he's been in college. If he can't shake those tendencies through 4 years of high school, 4 years of college ball and 3 years of NFL football with over a season of starting experience, it's probably not gonna happen. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, don't expect it to suddenly start mooing.
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You using a term like "objectivity" is a laugher. You have a Quinn love an it has been apparent for quite some time. Maybe if you were truly objective, you would see that DA is not the bum you make him out to be.
Very few people actually have "Quinn love" as you put it. Instead, it's more of an infatuation with consistently good quarterback play. Anderson will play lights out and win you some games, but stink it up something fierce like this weekend and kill you. That is NOT a quarterback that will take you all the way because at some point, he's going to choke. We've seen what DA can do. He can be good in a spot and he can be downright awful. He's never going to be accurate and he's never going to be consistent. Quinn might be and even if we don't know, it's worth a shot IMO, especially if we can still sucker some team into paying for DA.
If that's "Quinn love", then so be it.
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The biggest difference between good and bad for Anderson is the same as it's been for the team this season.
Home: 123/211, 58.3%, 8.13 yards/attempt, 13 TDs, 5 INT 4 sacks
Road: 164/296, 55.4%, 6.49 yards/attempt, 15 TDs, 13 INTs 9 sacks
Not surprisingly, the team is 6-1 at home and 3-5 on the road.
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Interesting .... Bery Bery Interesting ... Ammo breaks DA's #'s into the first set of 7 and the second set of 7 consecutive games ... U call that data manipulation and pretty much laugh them off because hes not using the entire set of #'s ...... then we find U here breaking them down by homa and away and appearantly saying they have some merit .. hmmmm ..... wonder why your manipulation is relevant and his isn't ...  and U wonder why I am adamant about STATS ARE FO ........... ahhh ... not today ... MERRY CHRISTMAS my fellow Dawgs ... U to Peenie ...
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Anderson doesn't have a ton of experience, so he should get a little benefit of the doubt. However, while QB's can improve decision making, they either come into the league accurate or not. Anderson isn't, and rarely do QB's suddenly become significantly more accurate as time goes on.
And thats the one factor that makes his upside have a low ceiling..
QB's all have to progress in the decision making area..but getting the timing down is another thing..being accurate in this case may not be attainable..
Watching his passes sail...and the fact he can't consistantly hit the short passes..plus his balls make the recievers turn, twist,jump , and lay out means he has little control on his timing/velocity......
DA started out on fire until he was schemed and figured out by opposing defenses. In the begining he didn't need to work on his weaknesses just play to his strengths. Now he can't, cause defenses are scheming him and forcing him to work on his weaknesses.
This is NOT NEW. Most young QBS are forced into doing what they have the hardest time in doing. Only time will tell if he can overcome them.
I doubt it since it involves accuracy..and not just decision making..
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Lets put DA's play in simple terms.In two big road games Arizona and the Bungals he was personally responsible for the Browns losing both.You simply CANNOT have your QB playing that poorly in big games.If you look at sucessful teams the QB position is the reason they WIN games not LOSE them.
I like DA as a team guy however you cant have your QB playing his worst in the games you need to win.Those of us who have watched him play on a week to week basis have seen other players making him look better than he really is.I would expect BQ to beat him out next year for the starting position.
My bottom line is this: You simply cannot have your starting QB be the reason you lose football games.
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Brady Quinn should be the QB of this team next season. At some point, you must trust in your talent judgement if you're Phil Savage.
If Anderson is the QB, I'll be fine with it, but he's shown that he's probably not the guy who can ever sustain 3 or 4 games of great play against top tier teams for that matter, that it would take to get us to and win a superbowl. I think Quinn has a better chance of doing that with this group.
We're wasting time.....
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While it's neither here nor there, I haven't seen an article over the last few weeks from any media outlet telling people how it's time to give Anderson a big, new contract, not like we saw after the first half of the season.
I wonder how much money Anderson has cost himself over the past month or so..........
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Yea, the Anderson lovefest has sort of calmed down hasn't it? And I'm sure he has cost himself some money, which he could recover with a good game this Sunday and a good showing in the playoffs if we get there.. but not only is he costing himself some money, he's costing us high draft picks.. 
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Actually not much Toad ... unlike the writers and reporters both locally and nationally the GM's will LOOK AT TAPE and see his flaws as well as how his supporting cast/ease of schedule played into his success as opposed to just looking at Stats and open up their check books .. but then again the STUPIDITY of some GM's just amazes me .. and it ONLY TAKES ONE ... 
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j/c...
Well I see this has turned into a deadbate thread...lol , especially after the last game where giving him his due for most meant spitting on him...literally.
"and nationally the GM's will LOOK AT TAPE"
And my advice to the FO is to send out the RAM tape - immediately!!
Hopefully with the disappearance of the Media hounds as he is not the story after our loss. DA will go back to what got him here. Slinging the ball without much thought. Just find the mismatch and let it rip! He's been trying to be who he is not.
Just play lights out in our final and in SD's playoff game...the interest will be flowing again.
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R U aware that we play Pittsburgh if San Diego loses @ Oakland and Pitt wins???
C'mon Oakland and Indy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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R U aware that we play San Francisco and that is the end of our season if Tenn beats Indy?? Nothing else matters right now.
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R U aware that we play San Francisco and that is the end of our season if Tenn beats Indy?? Nothing else matters right now.
They are speculating on what will happen if Indy wins. People are allowed to do that.....
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R U aware that we play San Francisco and that is the end of our season if Tenn beats Indy?? Nothing else matters right now.
No Way...
I thought if we beat Cincy we were IN???
I left as Anderson put that last toss in the air to a wide open Winslow...Game Over...We didn't win???
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Of course, you're right Jules. Just call me gun shy about specualting on anything after the regular season because it hasn't gotten us where I want us to be. I know we're only fans. But personally, despite RAC's best efforts, I think the "P" word started to creep in to the team's collective mentality before that Cincy game. And for that, I think everyone should just forget about the playoffs for a while. Maybe then, we can be really excited and almost surprised if they actually make it.  Ahh, whatever, do what you will.
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That'll teach ya.  Kardiac, I get where you are coming from but for some, we just gotta keep dreamin'! That's how sick we are!
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Hopefully with the disappearance of the Media hounds as he is not the story after our loss. DA will go back to what got him here. Slinging the ball without much thought. Just find the mismatch and let it rip! He's been trying to be who he is not.
Sorry eo, this is one of the major problems I have with DA... you are correct in your assessment of hiim slinging it without much thought and trying to be who he is not.. The problem is, given that this is Cleveland and it tends to get cold in Cleveland and in quite a few of the other cities where Cleveland plays... Just slinging it without thought might work well in Sept and Oct, but it doesn't work as well in December when it's snowing and/or the wind is blowing 40 mph... Those conditions make it hard enough to play QB if you are accurate and play under control.. they make it darn near impossible to play if your staple is throwing lasers 30 yards downfield in between 2 defenders.. they are very hard to throw in the cold and wind and even harder to catch. Until DA learns to play control-type QB, he's going to struggle more than most when the conditions are bad.
It's hard to catch a pass that's behind you and high when you're going across the middle or going out into the flats... In a 30 mph wind, it's hard to catch anything because most balls end up with a knuckle ball type movement to them... now try to catch a knuckle ball that's high and behind you... it doesn't work.
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But personally, despite RAC's best efforts, I think the "P" word started to creep in to the team's collective mentality before that Cincy game.
I don't know about that. I didn't know the "team" threw four int's.
Actually, the "team" only lost by five points DESPITE four Int's.
So IMO, the "team" overall, did a pretty good job.
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Written by Dennis Hench of NFL on FOX
Bengals 19, Browns 14
Well, Browns fans, look at it this way: losing this game on account of Derek Anderson's return-to-earth thud will probably save you the pain of losing a playoff game on account of a Derek Anderson return-to-earth thud. Against a Bengals team that had allowed 25 TD passes and picked off 15 passes, Anderson threw four picks before the Browns got in the end zone. Now Cleveland needs help from the Colts and a win against the suddenly respectable Niners to reach the playoffs.
Da is falling out of favor: Finally an analyst whos knows what he is talking about.He must have watched some of our games,or maybe just the ARIZONA or BUNGALS games. Also I dont think OPIE drafted Quinn to sit the bench.
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