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Because trading anything earlier isn't logical at all, it's desperation.

This is sound thinking

We are trashing the future when we make decisions like giving a 2nd to 4th (i would even add a 5th to this equation) for a backup QB who "might" play 4 games at the most for us. "We" as fans have nothing to lose b/c fans are thinking of only this year. It's the FO/staff job to focus on this year AND the future. It's their job to do so, if not then they won't have that job anymore.

Bump.

Along these lines (and I said this once or twice before) the lack of any movement today or tomorrow will say a lot about what the FO thinks about this roster. I don't think you're wrong when you say we'd be trashing the future over (essentially) ~4 games... however, I don't think you're doing the math right, because the math is different for a team that's in their window. ~4 games is nothing to a team that doesn't think their time is now, but that's not the case when you've got 1 whole side of the ball playing at an extremely high level and essentially being held back by 1 position.

What you said makes perfect sense only as long as you do NOT think you're a contender. If you do, 4 games is HUGE.

Dobbs back to Cleveland?

They might be feeling the same about Dobbs as we do with Walker. He hasn't played well.

Just a question. Does anyone know if there's a way we can get out of DW's contract if, hypothetically, he doesn't want to play here anymore. I'm not saying that's the case he said he wants to play and he seems sincere but I was just playing devils advocate.

And people were mad we traded Dobbs for a 5th and/or know we would have a better record with him as the backup.

So some are claiming that a 5th round project is the future? Come on man. Do you know how low the odds are of that becoming true?

So because he isn't the starter for another team means he is worse than our practive squad QB who has a 22.8 QBR ?? Dobbs isn't great but his QBR is 46

I for one don't think it'd be a stretch to think we could have a better record with Dobbs ... Dobbs has 5 interceptions in 8 games. Walker has that many in 3 games. Easy to see how we win v Pit and Seattle without the 22.8 QB play.

Come on AB give the Cards back their 7th round pick for Dobbs lol

How is it 'easy' to see we would have won against PIT and SEA w/ Dobbs? Firstly, Watson was playing in the PIT game and not any of our backups. Unless you believe Dobbs would have played better than Watson, that isn't a direct comp to our backups.

If Dobbs played, would it have meant Moody would have also missed the PAT to win us the game against SF?
If Dobbs played, would it have meant that IND would have also been called on two defensive penalties to win us the game? Or would our defense still have had those massive TOs, one for a TD?
If Dobbs played, would we have won against BAL?
If Dobbs played, would Wills not whiff on Watt to create a strip sack/TD versus PIT?
If Dobbs played, would we have come back down 14 points and outscored them 24-3 17-3 until late in the game versus SEA?

It's weird people want to live in this fantasy where they can try to create a real world scenario (and expect everyone else to buy it) where it is a legit argument to present the idea that EVERYTHING in the previous game would have went the EXACT same way with ( insert X player) and the outcome would be different.....an outcome ultimately resulting in our favor. This isn't some Marvel multiverse or something.

Both are not playing well and are a liability for both teams. If you want to play the who is shiniest turd game, go for it. but the margin is slim and there is nothing to say it would have changed this team's record to anything above 4-3. Again, I think one of the dumbest things fans do is create these 'If then' statements in their head where If Dobbs would have been here, then we probably would have won! There is absolutely no basis for saying this and is usually layered with some underlying agenda for something else related to the team, whether it be a player, coach, or FO person.

The bottom line is any time a team is playing with a backup QB or the third stringer, you are in a pretty crappy position. Luckily for the Browns, the proverbial ball bounced in our favor in SF and IND. You run simulations is this multiverse some wish to create, you won't get the same result. There is nothing to go from that if Dobbs was playing (based on his performance) that this team's record would be better than 4-3 with him as the starter. Especially since he is 1-7 as one for Arizona.

I made a mistake on the Pitsburgh game because DW started and no matter how he played Dobbs wouldn't have started.

With that said - and sticking to the SEA game. I think it's tremendously reasonable to suggest that we win if Dobbs is here and playing. He's better than PJ Walker as a QB and any game and stat you look at from 2023 backs that up. Better QB play in a close game means we'd have every reason to think the result wouyld be different. Better players playing for your team usually produce better results.

Feel free to disagree with me, I have no problem with that. But I do disagree strongly with your insistance or suggesting that we can't or shouldn't discuss the 'what if' because Berry decided to role into the season with DTR, a chronically unproven 5th round rookie QB as a back up and then had to call up the practice squad QB as a redult of how bad DTR was..... This is a Browns discussion board - all we have is opinions and observations (and memes I guess).

A later round pick(s) sure. However, if you are Washington, as I said before, why would you do that trade? They have a young QB starting who is taking a beating and they need him too.

Free DTR!

So because he isn't the starter for another team means he is worse than our practive squad QB who has a 22.8 QBR ?? Dobbs isn't great but his QBR is 46

I for one don't think it'd be a stretch to think we could have a better record with Dobbs ... Dobbs has 5 interceptions in 8 games. Walker has that many in 3 games. Easy to see how we win v Pit and Seattle without the 22.8 QB play.

Agreed SD, We’re pretty much done as a franchise for the next 5 years if DW doesn’t pan out. And while I have zero clue how much his arm hurts, from what I’ve seen, he isn’t going to pan out. I think that he knows that his money is guaranteed, and he’s not going to risk a major injury by getting hurt and not being able to enjoy his cash. I hope that I’m wrong but I thinks that this goes down as the worst trade in Sports history- not just NFL history, but all of sports.