Oh the irony…….Russian President Vladimir Putin has blamed the U.S. for this latest outbreak of Israel-Gaza violence as he tries to consolidate a growing anti-Western alliance of nations as cautioned Israel on Friday against laying siege to Gaza in the same way that Nazi Germany besieged Leningrad, saying a ground offensive there would lead to an "absolutely unacceptable" number of civilian casualties.
Putin said Israel had been subjected to "an attack unprecedented in its cruelty" by Hamas militants, but was responding with cruel methods of its own.
He said there had been calls even in the United States for a blockade of the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip on a par with "the siege of Leningrad during World War Two".
Desperate search for survivors after Gaza refugee camp is hit in Israeli airstrike
The Israeli military said it killed a senior Hamas commander who helped plot the Oct. 7 terrorist attack.
Desperate Palestinians were using their bare hands Tuesday to retrieve bodies buried in the ruins of a Gaza refugee camp moments after it was hit by an airstrike that reduced more than a dozen buildings to rubble, killed dozens and wounded hundreds of people, according to local health officials.
The Israeli military said its attack on the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza killed senior Hamas commander Ibrahim Biari, who they said was an architect of the Oct. 7 terror attack that left more than 1,400 people dead in Israel across kibbutzim, at a music festival and throughout in the nation's south, with hundreds more taken hostage.
"Tonight we eliminated the murderous terrorist Ibrahim Biari," IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said.
Biari was the commander of Hamas’ Central Jabaliya Battalion and he was targeted as part of a wide-scale “strike on terrorists and terror infrastructure,” the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement.
"During his assassination, many terrorists were killed, terrorists who stayed with him in Mena and in the underground area of the building," Hagari said.
Hamas has denied that any of its leadership was in Jabalia at the time of the strike, which they said destroyed at least 20 homes.
NBC News has not independently verified Biari’s death.
Footage of the aftermath of the attack showed hundreds of anguished people clambering in and out of what appears to be several giant craters and struggling to find buried victims.
"My three kids are gone, my kids, no one is alive," one despondent man named Jabar could be heard saying as his friends tried to console him.
Dr. Atef Al-Kahlot, director of the nearby Indonesian Hospital, said the total number of people wounded and killed is about 400.
"We are still searching for missing persons and carrying out rescue operations from under the rubble in Jabalia," Al-Kahlot said at a press conference.
Mohammad Al-Khatib, who lives in the Beit Lahia project, next to the Indonesian Hospital, said that after they heard the bombs, then ambulances and private cars trying to rescue people, he and others rushed to the hospital.
“Oh God! The things we found!” he said.
“We found people reducing the wounded and the martyred and taking them to the hospital. … The problem is that there’s no empty spaces in the hospital. The people and the wounded are lying on the floor.”
“There were martyrs on the floor, wounded people on the floor," he continued. "Hundreds of wounded and martyrs. …They burnt people while they were in their homes. They destroyed the entire camp. Children lying on the floor. They were all dead.”
The governments of Qatar and Jordan quickly condemned the deadly attack on the refugee camp.
More than 1 million people have been displaced by the fighting in Gaza and Palestinian health officials say more than 8,500 people have been killed. The death toll is likely to climb, officials have warned, as the Israeli ground offensive against Hamas gets underway.
Despite repeated orders from the IDF to evacuate from northern Gaza, where most of the early fighting is expected to take place, thousands of Palestinians unable to head south towards the Egyptian border have either stayed put in their homes or sought shelter in local hospitals.
Hamas' military wing said it would release some hostages “in the coming days,” but Israel’s national security adviser, Tzahi Hanegbi, poured cold water on that saying there’s no “hostage deal in sight."
"The end of the war is not close" because Hamas must first cease to exist, Hanegbi said.
Meanwhile, the state of Israel was bracing for more funerals as the number of IDF soldiers killed in action climbed by two Tuesday to 317.
Speaking of blank checks for killing civilians......
Graham says ‘no limit’ of Palestinian deaths would make him question Israel
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said Tuesday that no number of civilian deaths in Gaza would cause him to question Israel’s goal of eradicating Hamas.
In an interview on CNN’s “NewsNight,” Graham made clear his support for Israel would not waver under any circumstance. Still, he said they should “be smart” and try to limit civilian casualties, which he said Israel is trying to do.
Asked whether there should be a threshold where he starts questioning Israel’s tactics in its war against Hamas, the senator said “no.”
“If somebody asked us after World War II, is there a limit to what you would do to make sure that Japan and Germany don’t conquer the world? Is there any limit to what Israel should do to the people who are trying to slaughter the Jews? The answer is no,” Graham said.
“There is no limit, but here’s what you need to do: Be smart. Let’s try to limit civilian casualties the best we can. Let’s put humanitarian aid in areas that protect the innocent. I’m all for that,” the South Carolina Republican continued. “But this idea that Israel has to apologize for attacking Hamas, who’s embedded with their own population, needs to stop.”
Israel confirmed Tuesday that its strikes hit a densely populated refugee camp, where a high-ranking Hamas official was strategically located. Pressed about the news, Graham underscored the gruesome tactics Hamas took Oct. 7.
“In 2023, could anybody imagine a group of people would come into Israel and slaughter families, rape children in front of the parents, burn babies alive. Put a baby in the oven, can you imagine that?” he said. “I can’t imagine that.”
“The destruction of Hamas is nonnegotiable. I hate the loss of innocent lives. The day after Hamas is destroyed, I hope we have a better life for the Palestinian people,” Graham continued. “But I’m not blaming Israel. I’m blaming Hamas. I’m not blaming Israel at all.”
His remarks come as Israel launches what it has described as the second wave of the war, beginning ground operations in Gaza. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed retaliation for the Oct. 7 surprise attack after more than 1,400 Israelis were killed and 200 people taken hostage by Hamas.
The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health has estimated that more than 8,500 Palestinians have died as Israel has unleashed a barrage of airstrikes on the Gaza Strip, controlled by the militant group, which the U.S. has classified as a terrorist organization.
If they were the only people "pushing that narrative" as you call it, that would be one thing. But it's rather difficult to see you say they're, "pushing that narrative" " when you just stated that "Israel performing worse actions than Russia". I had no idea that you were Palestinian?
Atrocities against civilians is something I do not accept no matter who the aggressor is or no matter who the victims are. The atrocities Hamas committed against Israeli civilians is not human like. There is no excuse and their families are devastated. That's no different than what they have caused the Palestinian people to suffer. One does not excuse the other. And I'm not Palestinian either.
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The house of reps is supposed to take up a bill for Israel aid. Biden said he is going to veto it. Damm, Biden is against aid to Israel? No, the repubs want to pay for the whole 14 billion for Israel by cutting the IRS by 14 billion.
White House Warns That Biden Would Veto GOP’s Israel Aid Bill John Harney Tue, October 31, 2023 at 9:32 PM EDT·2 min read 69
(Bloomberg) -- The White House said President Joe Biden would veto a bill proposed by House Republicans to provide assistance for Israel that would be paid for by slashing funds for the Internal Revenue Service.
The Office of Management and Budget, in a lengthy statement on Tuesday night, said the measure “fails to meet the urgency of the moment by deepening our divides and severely eroding historic bipartisan support for Israel’s security.”
The legislation, championed by the new House speaker, Mike Johnson, has already run into stiff bipartisan opposition from the US Senate, creating a standoff as he tries to reunite the Republicans who form his chamber’s narrow majority.
The OMB added in its statement that requiring so-called budget offsets for emergency security assistance “sets a new and dangerous precedent by conditioning assistance for Israel, further politicizing our support and treating one ally differently from others. This bill is bad for Israel, for the Middle East region, and for our own national security.”
The House plans to vote Thursday on Johnson’s $14 billion Israel aid package. He said the public believes “standing with Israel and protecting the innocent over there is in our national interest and it’s a more immediate need than IRS agents.”
Democrats, however, say the maneuver would ultimately cost the government due to lost revenue.
“The House GOP bill is woefully inadequate and has the hard right’s fingerprints all over it,” said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. “It makes aid for Israel, who has just faced the worst terrorist attack in its history, contingent on poison pills that reward rich tax cheats.”
Johnson’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the White House statement.
Senate Republican leaders support a package more in line with Democratic proposals to fund Biden’s $106 billion emergency request, which also would provide assistance to Ukraine, Taiwan and money to bolster the US southern border. Senators writing the bill could unveil it next week.
Johnson, however, wants to separate any aid for Ukraine, which is opposed by several House conservatives.
Taking note of this, OMB said in the statement that “failing to support Ukraine at this pivotal moment in the war would send a terrible message to Russia about our resolve, let alone to the rest of the world.”
--With assistance from Steven T. Dennis, Erik Wasson and Billy House.
If they were the only people "pushing that narrative" as you call it, that would be one thing. But it's rather difficult to see you say they're, "pushing that narrative" " when you just stated that "Israel performing worse actions than Russia". I had no idea that you were Palestinian?
Atrocities against civilians is something I do not accept no matter who the aggressor is or no matter who the victims are. The atrocities Hamas committed against Israeli civilians is not human like. There is no excuse and their families are devastated. That's no different than what they have caused the Palestinian people to suffer. One does not excuse the other. And I'm not Palestinian either.
You just have to remember this is not Israel's fault. The blame needs to fall on who is responsible for what is happening now. Hamas!!! They performed the terrorist activity that caused the action. They have used the civilians as human shields. Israel has to have a complete and utter inhalation of Hamas or October 7th will happen again. That is unacceptable to allow.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
So it's the "Johnny made me do it" defense? I've never stated that Hamas wasn't the people who started this. It was a horrific act of terrorism. That's not an excuse for Israel to slaughter thousands of Palestinian civilians in response. They should destroy Hamas. So go in there and do it. Send in your soldiers and do it. I'm all for that. I support that.
That's still no excuse to bomb the hell out of the civilian population and slaughter them in response to what Hamas is guilty of. All Israel is doing by these actions is turning more and more of the world against them. Civilians are civilians. Be they Israeli or Pakistani.
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So it's the "Johnny made me do it" defense? I've never stated that Hamas wasn't the people who started this. It was a horrific act of terrorism. That's not an excuse for Israel to slaughter thousands of Palestinian civilians in response. They should destroy Hamas. So go in there and do it. Send in your soldiers and do it. I'm all for that. I support that.
That's still no excuse to bomb the hell out of the civilian population and slaughter them in response to what Hamas is guilty of. All Israel is doing by these actions is turning more and more of the world against them. Civilians are civilians. Be they Israeli or Pakistani.
I think you are asking for the impossible. War is not pretty but when your attacked it is necessary. War against terrorists is even more messy. Many of these so-called civilians you're referring to supported Hamas and partied in the streets when they returned with dead Israel soldiers' bodies and civilian prisoners. There is such a thing as guilt by association. Israel needs to do what they need to do to protect their citizens.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Slaughtering innocent Palestinian civilians is not protecting Israeli citizens. Bombing a refugee camp is not proteting the citizens of Israel. If anything it's breeding yet another future generation of Palestinians that will hate them even more. War is not pretty. There are consequences for your actions. That's why I said they should send their ground troops in there to kill and destroy Hamas. Guilt by association is why we attacked Iraq for no reason. The estimates I have seen believes that around 300k Iraqi civilians were killed. They had no ties to 9/11 and our government made the mistake of going to war in Iraq. Those are mistakes we learn from and not advocate repeating them.
In this case the cause for war is legitimate. Slaughtering innocent civilians never is. And just as food for thought. Trump won the presidency with less than half the votes in 2016. So should all Americans be held accountable for his actions and be held to your guilt by association standard? You can use that same example with Biden even though he did get over half the vote. But that still doesn't mean people that didn't vote for him or support him should be held accountable for his actions.
I support the Jewish people. I support Israel's right to exist. I am not however a supporter of Netanyahu. He's a very shady character. Many Israeli's agree.
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Slaughtering innocent Palestinian civilians is not protecting Israeli citizens. Bombing a refugee camp is not proteting the citizens of Israel. If anything it's breeding yet another future generation of Palestinians that will hate them even more. War is not pretty. There are consequences for your actions. That's why I said they should send their ground troops in there to kill and destroy Hamas. Guilt by association is why we attacked Iraq for no reason. The estimates I have seen believes that around 300k Iraqi civilians were killed. They had no ties to 9/11 and our government made the mistake of going to war in Iraq. Those are mistakes we learn from and not advocate repeating them.
In this case the cause for war is legitimate. Slaughtering innocent civilians never is. And just as food for thought. Trump won the presidency with less than half the votes in 2016. So should all Americans be held accountable for his actions and be held to your guilt by association standard? You can use that same example with Biden even though he did get over half the vote. But that still doesn't mean people that didn't vote for him or support him should be held accountable for his actions.
I support the Jewish people. I support Israel's right to exist. I am not however a supporter of Netanyahu. He's a very shady character. Many Israeli's agree.
Yes, we are all held accountable for the actions of our leaders. The blood of innocent babies aborted are on every person that lives in this country. Whether you voted for that or not. Like him or not Biden is our Leader, and his actions now reflect on all of us. I can pray for him to do what is right but when he decides something as an American, we accept the responsibility and ultimately the effects of our Leaders actions. The Palestinians are accountable for terrorists they have enabled for years and now many of them will pay the same price for that enabling. I hope and pray for their safety but if we want peace then we have to allow Israel the ability to totally destroy the existence of Hamas.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
I understand how you blame unarmed citizens of Gaza for the acts of the armed terrorists among them. I guess they should fight them with sticks. You're still doing nothing more than making excuses for Israel slaughtering the civilian population of Palestinians. Troops can identify their targets. You won't eliminate civilian casualties but you can greatly decrease them. That is an option Israel could and can take. Instead they are dropping bombs that inflict much more deaths among civilians and you are supporting they do this. One way shows much more humanity and actually targets the enemy. The other does not. And you are supporting they continue to use the way that does not.
This is the kind of thinking that makes me wonder what some people thinks Christianity actually stands for. It's certainly not for indiscriminately killing innocent women, children and the elderly.
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I understand how you blame unarmed citizens of Gaza for the acts of the armed terrorists among them. I guess they should fight them with sticks. You're still doing nothing more than making excuses for Israel slaughtering the civilian population of Palestinians. Troops can identify their targets. You won't eliminate civilian casualties but you can greatly decrease them. That is an option Israel could and can take. Instead they are dropping bombs that inflict much more deaths among civilians and you are supporting they do this. One way shows much more humanity and actually targets the enemy. The other does not. And you are supporting they continue to use the way that does not.
This is the kind of thinking that makes me wonder what some people thinks Christianity actually stands for. It's certainly not for indiscriminately killing innocent women, children and the elderly.
I support peace. In this matter the only way peace will be achieved is to eliminate Hamas!
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Which it seems to you also includes an untold amount of innocent Palestinian civilians whose deaths could be avoided. Palestinian civilians are not Hamas.
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Which it seems to you also includes an untold amount of innocent Palestinian civilians whose deaths could be avoided. Palestinian civilians are not Hamas.
Just remember the worst act of violence against the Jewish people since Hitler occurred less than 1 month ago and the resolve of people for the Israeli people should remain strong.
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
If they were the only people "pushing that narrative" as you call it, that would be one thing. But it's rather difficult to see you say they're, "pushing that narrative" " when you just stated that "Israel performing worse actions than Russia". I had no idea that you were Palestinian?
Atrocities against civilians is something I do not accept no matter who the aggressor is or no matter who the victims are. The atrocities Hamas committed against Israeli civilians is not human like. There is no excuse and their families are devastated. That's no different than what they have caused the Palestinian people to suffer. One does not excuse the other. And I'm not Palestinian either.
What does my (not) being Palestinian have to do with anything?
I don't like the "martyrdom" narrative. I'm not absolving Israel killing children. "Martyr" implies voluntarily giving up one's life rather than renouncing one's religion. It feels like "religion" is only an excuse for what is going on over there, and the actual religions involved are just "along for the ride" and getting dragged through the mud. Civilians weren't asked to renounce anything. It was more "We want to kill this guy, and you're in the way. Too bad." Definitely not a thought process I can support, but calling them martyrs feels inaccurate and likely to continue a downward spiral of increasing violence. What is happening is atrocious and tragic. Both sides are acting like monsters at the top. Call it a tragedy, yes. Callous disregard for human life, sure. "Martyrs" are generally used to incite future violence, though.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Which it seems to you also includes an untold amount of innocent Palestinian civilians whose deaths could be avoided. Palestinian civilians are not Hamas.
Just remember the worst act of violence against the Jewish people since Hitler occurred less than 1 month ago and the resolve of people for the Israeli people should remain strong.
...but does that give them the right to perpetrate the worst act of violence against Palestinians since biblical times? Two wrongs don't make a right. They make things worse.
Whatever happened to turning the other cheek and doing unto others as you'd want them to do towards you? I don't know if I'd go that far, but at least show some decency and restraint. Punish those responsible. Don't lash out and kill kids.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Don’t just label all ‘libs’ like that. I can tell you I don’t feel bad about bombing HAMAS wherever they hide. They are now firmly in the find out phase and I hope it is their END.
Do I feel bad for the innocents hurt? Sure I do. But when you have terrorists living inside your population going unchecked, in the year 2023 you shoulld know this can happen. They poked a sleeping bear, so no crying when it shreds them.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, Not because you want to, but because you have to.
Case in point: Osama bin-Ladin... Now how may people died because of that person? Good grief.. Lots of Americans, Afghans, and Iraqi are no longer here because of that man. Still don't understand why we overtook a nation (Afghanistan) and invaded another (Iraq) in our efforts to get bin-Ladin. But we got him and he was Pakistan.
But we had to do it. And I will suggest that we would do it again, but I tend to think that you get in trouble when you try regime change.
I suspect that the US is strongly opposed to any sort of Israeli force in Gaza once this thing is done. I would not touch that mess with a 10 foot or mile pole.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, Not because you want to, but because you have to.
Case in point: Osama bin-Ladin... Now how may people died because of that person? Good grief.. Lots of Americans, Afghans, and Iraqi are no longer here because of that man. Still don't understand why we overtook a nation (Afghanistan) and invaded another (Iraq) in our efforts to get bin-Ladin. But we got him and he was Pakistan.
But we had to do it. And I will suggest that we would do it again, but I tend to think that you get in trouble when you try regime change.
I suspect that the US is strongly opposed to any sort of Israeli force in Gaza once this thing is done. I would not touch that mess with a 10 foot or mile pole.
Unfortunately, what people have to do and what people think they have to do when lashing out in anger usually aren't the same thing.
I think "you have to do what you have to do" is one of those sayings that sounds good, but it is all too frequently misapplied as BS PR.
"You" didn't have to do it, "you" got angry, threw a tantrum, and killed a ridiculous amount of people unnecessarily. "You" may have eventually hit your target, but "you" made even more future enemies in the process. And "you" likely tarnished your name/"blackened your soul" for all time.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Sometimes you have to do what you have to do, Not because you want to, but because you have to.
Case in point: Osama bin-Ladin... Now how may people died because of that person? Good grief.. Lots of Americans, Afghans, and Iraqi are no longer here because of that man. Still don't understand why we overtook a nation (Afghanistan) and invaded another (Iraq) in our efforts to get bin-Ladin. But we got him and he was Pakistan.
But we had to do it. And I will suggest that we would do it again, but I tend to think that you get in trouble when you try regime change.
I suspect that the US is strongly opposed to any sort of Israeli force in Gaza once this thing is done. I would not touch that mess with a 10 foot or mile pole.
Unfortunately, what people have to do and what people think they have to do when lashing out in anger usually aren't the same thing.
I think "you have to do what you have to do" is one of those sayings that sounds good, but it is all too frequently misapplied as BS PR.
"You" didn't have to do it, "you" got angry, threw a tantrum, and killed a ridiculous amount of people unnecessarily. "You" may have eventually hit your target, but "you" made even more future enemies in the process. And "you" likely tarnished your name/"blackened your soul" for all time.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s like trying to resolve “an eye for an eye” versus “turn the other cheek”. Or Bush’s rationalization of “We fight them there, so we don’t have to fight them here”.
At some point, you wind up in the situation that exists with Ukraine. You give up Crimea and then they come back for more.
Point is that you always wind up fighting the aggressor. It is something that you did not intend to do, but the consequences are always worse not better. In this case Hamas chose to be the aggressor on 10/7.
I'm glad [censored] pacifists arent making the decisions. Censure the ones in Congress.
I'm glad murderous lunatics aren't making the decisions... Oh...wait....
I'm not for sitting there and taking it. I'm for measured responses and only punishing those that deserve it. Those that deserve it being the murderous lunatics. Having said that, I'm still not going to be happy about it. Ending life should be upsetting, even if necessary to protect other life.
...If terrorists moved into your neighbor's house, would it be okay to carpet bomb your entire neighborhood with you in it?
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
What's sad is that as much as people go on about Israel destroying Hamas, I haven't seen anyone on this board state that Israel should not go after Hamas. Of course they should. But the fact is that there were a few hostages released. One was an 85 year old Israeli woman. She explained plainly that Hamas took those hostages into an underground network of tunnels. As Israel bombs the hell out of Palestinian civilians they know Hamas is safely underground. I think that makes a huge difference here. The IDF itself has described this complicated tunnel system which they believe is over 300 miles in length. Then they turn around and claim they're bombing Hamas targets. The devastation they have unleashed in Gaza makes that hard to believe. Just yesterday they bombed that refugee camp for a second time. Now can you explain to me when we have bombed refugee camps? It seems people are willing to write Israel a blank check no matter how bad the atrocities they commit becomes.
There's no need for any of that. Send in your troops and go after your enemy, Hamas and stop making excuses for the slaughter of Palestinian citizens. Either way there will be civilian deaths but that number will be much lower if you have troops shooting at people they can define as their enemy rather than killing thousands of civilians with bombs that are purposefully killing civilians on purpose.
Just ask yourself this, if Israel actually believed that Hamas and those hostages were above ground in Gaza, would they be bombing the hell out of Gaza and taking a huge risk of killing the very hostages they claim they're trying so hard to save? Either the answer is no or they don't really care about those hostages staying alive and rescuing them. You can draw your own conclusion on that one.
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Someone on here is know for saying he "treats others as they treat him."
I don't like the killing of innocent people. I can't imagine anyone that would, other than hamas, and hezbollah.
Let's not forget who started this. Raining thousands of rockets down on innocent people, shooting innocent people, kidnapping innocent people.
When you are wanted dead, you tend to fight back. Innocents get killed as well, and as horrible as that is, it is.
Instead of spending how much???? to build tunnels to better effect terrorism, why not spend the money to better life for your people?
Hamas dealt, but the cards they dealt were death cards.
It sounds like you're saying that Hamas committed a major atrocities which makes it okay for Israel to do the same thing. The citizens of Palestine didn't attack Israel, Hamas did. You posted this.....
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I don't like the killing of innocent people. I can't imagine anyone that would, other than hamas, and hezbollah.
Israel has killed five times or more innocent civilians than Hamas did, but for some reason you left them off your list. Rather than send troops in to confront Hamas, they chose to take the route that would maximize civilian casualties.
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Someone on here is know for saying he "treats others as they treat him."
I don't like the killing of innocent people. I can't imagine anyone that would, other than hamas, and hezbollah.
Let's not forget who started this. Raining thousands of rockets down on innocent people, shooting innocent people, kidnapping innocent people.
When you are wanted dead, you tend to fight back. Innocents get killed as well, and as horrible as that is, it is.
Instead of spending how much???? to build tunnels to better effect terrorism, why not spend the money to better life for your people?
Hamas dealt, but the cards they dealt were death cards.
It sounds like you're saying that Hamas committed a major atrocities which makes it okay for Israel to do the same thing. The citizens of Palestine didn't attack Israel, Hamas did. You posted this.....
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I don't like the killing of innocent people. I can't imagine anyone that would, other than hamas, and hezbollah.
Israel has killed five times or more innocent civilians than Hamas did, but for some reason you left them off your list. Rather than send troops in to confront Hamas, they chose to take the route that would maximize civilian casualties.
This is the terrorist's playbook. Attack and then when Israel or the US respond start crying civilian deaths. You can buy into that logic. I'm not that dumb. So just how do you tell the terrorist from the civilian?
Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thy heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Stating reality isn't crying. And it's a lot of people who share this opinion, not just "terrorists". Did you know there are hundreds of American citizens also trapped in Gaza? I hope not a lot of them have been killed by bombs from Israel.
How do you tell them apart? Hamas will be carrying guns.
I guess her family must be terrorists? I can see how easy it would be to confuse this family for Hamas fighters to you.
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This is the terrorist's playbook. Attack and then when Israel or the US respond start crying civilian deaths. You can buy into that logic. I'm not that dumb. So just how do you tell the terrorist from the civilian?
If you know the person's name and appearance well enough to target them, it's not that hard to look at a photo and compare to an actual person through a scope/drone camera.
Sniper bullets cause much less collateral damage than bombs and rockets. You're also left with a much easier time verifying the target is dead. No need to dig through rubble full of other bodies.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I'm glad [censored] pacifists arent making the decisions. Censure the ones in Congress.
I'm glad murderous lunatics aren't making the decisions... Oh...wait....
I'm not for sitting there and taking it. I'm for measured responses and only punishing those that deserve it. Those that deserve it being the murderous lunatics. Having said that, I'm still not going to be happy about it. Ending life should be upsetting, even if necessary to protect other life.
...If terrorists moved into your neighbor's house, would it be okay to carpet bomb your entire neighborhood with you in it?
If they told me multiple times to leave my neighborhood or get killed, I would be smart enough to leave my neighborhood.
Gaza is one of the most impoverished places on the globe. Here in our very own country we have people that are warned about impending hurricanes who lack the resources to leave. And in case you missed it, Israel s also bombing areas in southern Gaza. The very area they told them to go in order to avoid the bombings.
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I'm glad [censored] pacifists arent making the decisions. Censure the ones in Congress.
I'm glad murderous lunatics aren't making the decisions... Oh...wait....
I'm not for sitting there and taking it. I'm for measured responses and only punishing those that deserve it. Those that deserve it being the murderous lunatics. Having said that, I'm still not going to be happy about it. Ending life should be upsetting, even if necessary to protect other life.
...If terrorists moved into your neighbor's house, would it be okay to carpet bomb your entire neighborhood with you in it?
If they told me multiple times to leave my neighborhood or get killed, I would be smart enough to leave my neighborhood.
They told you multiple times to leave your neighborhood while erecting sky-high walls on three sides of said neighborhood and sending warships to patrol the waters that make up the 4th side.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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