DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2023 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 33 Ravens 31 The Ravens Game

Two Things:

1. Unless this defense can seriously elevate its game when playing Zone, or unless it can figure out how to not be forced into Zone, they will have the same experience as last time.

2. Unless this Offense has a coming out party, they simply cannot keep pace.


There is little reason, despite how insanely good this defense has played this year, to expect anything other than another lopsided 28-3 outcome.

There is the fact that DTR was the starter and he threw 3 int's. Not saying it will make the difference between a W and a L but it should help the score not be so lopsided at least.

We NEED this game to win the division IMHO. We’ll see, but I think Purp nailed it.

provided Watson doesn't throw a Pick 6 and allow a fumbled scoop & score (and another fumble) like he did against the Steelers.

Three turnovers is three turnovers.

I don't see us winning this game although it shouldn't be the beat down we took in our 1st meeting. If we win by some longshot, it keeps our division title hopes alive. If not, we're playing for a wild card the rest of the year. Right now I feel Baltimore is the best team in football. JMO

We were huge underdogs against the 49ers, too. Use JOK as a spy to keep their QB contained, send some pressure.

We can beat anyone when our D is firing on all cylinders.
Watson has to have a big game, Get the ball out fast and hit a couple long ones downfield.

I know it's not our strength, not by a long shot. That's why I said what I said. We either have to get good at it, or we have to get better at stopping them from forcing us into zone like they did the last time.

I'd go man as well ... and just be ourselves. Strength on strength and hope our players win their matchups and execute their keys

I think this game will come down to our offense doing enough and not turning it over

KS should put a few new plays in our O or new variations in the plays we have something that the Ravens haven't seen. Going toe to toe with them with our banged-up O-line worries me.

Oh but why worry?

Lol, I get it. They have a great front so that’s why we need to get rid of the call quickly on passing plays. Some no-huddle might put them off balance early, as well.

As long as they don't include Moore running backwards or going for it on 4th and long.

Quick slants to Moore might work to utilize his speed. Maybe some screens. How often do we run screens. Long and short snap counts would keep them off balance. They're going to want to really hit DW so the quick passes will be important. Keep the ball away from Lamar as much as possible. We miss Nick every game but a game like this we miss him more when you're trying to control the ball and win TOP.

we seem to run (and/or convert) slants less than any team in the NFL

We also don’t throw skinny posts or deeper slants to the middle of the field, I don’t know why we don’t but I know we don’t.

The Ravens are the best at the pass rush and getting sacks

Callahan has his hands full with the O line

Stephanski has to game plan for that and a lot of this will be put on Watsons hands to scramble and make plays

If the Defense plays as they did last week with the intensity they did

Although against a 1 win team, that mentality should put heat on the Ravens O

I believe the Browns can pull this off, just got to play smart and keep the penalties and give away turnovers down

Interesting to me that Gus Edwards only had 5 touches last week. Lamar and Ravens have been looking great the last few weeks. Browns likely to come out swinging. We can still make playoffs if we lose but to compete for the division need this W.

Steelers and Bengals still have to play each other twice. So one of them either loses twice or they both lose once. Which helps with the chance to make the playoffs. But can we just compete for a division title in December for once.

It’s time to kick Baltimore’s ass, the Move still hurts after 28 years, and their two Lombardis, and Art Model and our suckiness ever since.

I want to punch them hard in the mouth on Sunday. I don’t disrespect Pittsburgh - I don’t like them - but I absolutely hate the Ravens.

Man, I just don't feel good about this one. I feel like there's this glass ceiling between us and Baltimore/Pitt we just can't seem to break. I'm freaking tired of it though. I want nothing more to win, but it's hard to get your hopes up.

A loss almost definitely kills all chances at the division. We'd have two head-to-head losses AND we'd be at LEAST two games back. They, and the rest of the division, would have to collectively implode to allow us to jump all of them.

Yes, it's mathematically possible, but the actual probability approaches zero.

It’s a long season, especially this one with all the crap that’s gone on. Chubb hurt, all the other injuries, QB uncertainty, heart-stopping finishes. Feels like the season started six months ago.

the Ravens use their RBs in a pure rotation from game to game ... they truly keep you guessing.

The rookie RB they displayed last week was really quick ... something they hadn't shown yet

And like you said, Edwards had very few touches ... he usually kills us

Have a feeling Browns are winning this and will be the talk of the sports world all week. I am going to end up eating my words on Stefanski.

On O, don't turn the ball over. Also, be comfortable going three and out. Use Deshaun's legs. A lot of short, move the sticks passing.

On D I would not rush wide. Do not give Jackson the middle of the field. Burrow does this thing where when it's 3rd and long and the DL abandons the middle of the field, he just runs for the first down. He knows he's going to do that before the ball is even snapped. I feel like Jackson can hurt us the same way. Clog the lane, make him rush outside, shadow him with JOK. Play press man all game.

Browns win and I get a nice moneyline payday.

We usually play the Rats close at their place on a 1pm Sunday kickoff.

They will have a couple of guys back on D and O that sat out the first game. We have lost our LT and we have a "rusty" noodle arm Deshaun.

Our D will have to turn in a SF type performance to win.

I doubt it happens, but hope it does.

Browns 17
Ravens 23

It feels as though we're already 12 games into the season. 3/4 a season's worth of drama, to date.
Being a Browns fan is exhausting no matter the flavor of the current season, or running W/L record.

I guess I wouldn't have it any other way.
After all- I'm still here.

That's kind of where my head has been, for the most part.

But then, I thought about what this D is capable of doing. Forget about their most recent dominance of a last-place team, consider this: they held TEN's entire output to 94 total yards. Limited them to just 6 first downs, and gave CLE 40 minutes time of possession. Derrick Henry: 11 carries/20 yds. TEN receiving: 13/104. Tannehill: 13/25 for 104 4.2 TD:0 INT: 0 SACKS: 5/36 QBR: 25.1.

A D like that has the potential to drop a top-flight O down to mere mortal status.
If Schwartz's Wrecking Crew shows up, Elves have a puncher's chance to grind out this win.

If CLE doesn't get in an O foot race, a low-scoring win is definitely possible.


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Play smart football with no or only one turnover and we can win. It's time to make a statement in our division.

We all know how the media hates on our Browns. Would love to see how they react if we win this one.

IIRC, the defense played very well, just got ground down with the complete lack of offense (DTR game). Defense kept the game close but then tailed off in the second half.

Defense needs to bring every bit of it, and as long as Watson is at least efficient, then we will be right there with them.

Defend the run
Run it right at them.

Take 3 or 4 deep shots on the day.

Beat them on the last play of the game.

Run it right at them with all your players getting a carry of the ball on the day.

Most important game of the year by far. The best team in the league right now, at full strength, at home, smack-dab in the middle of the season, right before the playoff sprint.

I don’t think this is an understatement: This is probably the most clear measuring stick game we’ll play this year and statement about what we are as built and run by this FO, coach and QB. We don’t have Chubb and our OL is banged up & missing pieces. But good teams find a way. Good teams, at the very least, don’t fall apart because everything isn’t perfect. See: this years Steelers.

We don’t have to win in terms of getting into the playoffs but we need to show that we belong. A demoralizing or embarrassing loss, having our D get exposed again, will set a very bleak tone for rest of the season. A close loss up through a win sets a much different tone.

One thing I know for sure, this is going to be an extremely physical game, much like the San Francisco game. I want to be the bully’s of the AFCN for a change. Even if we lose, I want a pound of Raven flesh. I want them limping the rest of the way. If we get beat down, the Steelers game and the rest of the season will be about fighting over scraps and “next year”. If we win, however ugly, it means we’re for real. Pretty cut and dry in a way few games ever are.

Go Browns!!!

I want to see the tackle eligible run play about fifty plus times on the day,
with EVERYBODY getting a carry,
including Jordan Elliott, and Dalvin Tomlinson running up the middle of the ravens defense
and the outcome doesn't matter as much
as long as you get to knock the ravens down like bowling pins at the end of every run.
Hudson gets a carry
Bitonio gets a carry
Pocic gets a carry

Jordan Elliott behind Nick Harris gets a carry,
Many Carries for all of your runningbacks

and Play fake > deep throw, 3 to 4 times on the day, come what may. You were expected to lose anyway.

Last time the Browns won in Baltimore was 2019..

This is one of those games that you can say that if you win. You've turned a corner. I believe they can do it.

Anything is a possibility. I understand that neither the Titans nor the Cardinals are Baltimore, but in the last two games watson played the entire game nothing like his performance against Pittsburgh has happened. In fact he's looked pretty good. The biggest question in my mind is can the Browns banged up OL keep him upright and healthy.

This game was always going to be hard, but now with Wills, chubb, and conklin out, having to rely on a really bad Hudson and a getting worse by the week Jones, we are going to have to be ready to counter the pressure with playcalling and getting the ball out quick, Watson's mobility is going to be key in this game and I just hope it doesn't lead to him taking some unnecessary shots since he doesn't like to slide.