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“We didn’t know that he needed knee ligament repairs, we thought he needed a leg amputation. He should be ready to go for OTAs next spring.”

We almost took Allen.

Not dying on the table might be the success threshold.

Hey now...don't go letting pessimism seep into your heart/mind. You are way too optimistic for that nonsense - and I say that in a complimentary way and as you being a non-homer. If YOU lose optimism...our team may simply not have ANY. Thankfully they operated on the correct shoulder...see how easy that was?

We should have. Said it many times. We be the strike out king on busts.

well, I'm glad the surgery is behind him .. problem is, he's got another 9 months until he sees any real action again. That's so much missed time in your prime

When you suck at drafting QB's you can always buy one.

The Doof Dorsey screwed the pooch on that big time.

His one job was to get that #1 pick right and he chose the "Pied Piper" and "Leader of Men" over the 6'5" 240 lb. athletically gifted QB. Brilliant.

I don't think Baker was a bad choice, but it's hard to predict how the little things will impact a players trajectory.

Reading between the lines, and some of this is my opinion, but Baker's growth stopped after his rookie year. I think work ethic, maturity, surrounding himself with enablers, and an overconfidence from his rookie year were his undoing. He's also a bit mentally fragile.

I think it would have been hard to predict those types of things. I know that's what GMs get paid to do but, but you have all Baker's personality stuff vs Allen's inaccuracy, which as the saying goes, cannot be improved upon.

Tough call but I can see why they made it.

You can also not predict how a QB like Allen would have done with the team the Browns had at that time. The results very well may not have been the same.

I have always said the Browns liked Johnny Manziel so much they drafted him and then missed him so much they drafted his mirror image in Baker. I'll admit I wanted Sam Darnold. At that time, I would have also been happy with either Josh, Allen or Rosen. So, I can't fault Dorsey for his pick of Baker because he has proven to be better than Darnold and Rosen. But looking back skipping Josh Allen now looks really bad.  

One thing to keep in mind in rehashing all this is that Baker was selected while Hue Jackson was still our coach. There is NO WAY IN HADES Allen would have turned into the QB he is today given the environment he almost got drafted into... and there is no argument that would convince me otherwise.

I don't say that to excuse Dorsey, but just pointing out what I see to be basically fact.

At the time, I was leaning slightly in favor of JA, but one guy I absolutely did not want was LJ. Just goes to show my level of QB expertise....lol.

Other than being shorter and somewhat mobile, I actually don't see much of a comparison between Manziel and Mayfield.

IMO, that comparison was always a lazy one.

Both are shorter QBs that had a ton of success in college that were selected by the Browns. IMO, that's really where the similarities end. Even their personalities and ability to rub people that wrong way aren't really the same when you actually think about it.

Someone trying to turn apples to apples into magic mushrooms to cheesecake.

I think you're wrong, but I guess an argument would be futile lol. Half of that environment was gone six months later, the rest of the chicanery was over a year after that.

While I certainly won't dismiss your theory because I don't believe any of have a way of knowing for sure, if you look at the supporting cast on the roster at that time, especially at the WR position and the defense, I think the outcome of how Allen would have developed here is certainly in question.

His first full season would have been Chubb, Hunt, Landry, OBJ and Njoku... vs Gore, Singletary, John Brown, Beasley and Dawson Knox. I think there was definitely more talent at our skill positions. But you're right, there's no way of knowing.

Well if you don’t die on the table and they are able to complete the sergury, it’s a success…

I was Leary of Jackson as well due to RG3.... Jackson is an amazing athlete, but I was worried he'd get hurt while running and then be done like RG3.... he's proven to be a better. QB than I expected...

I see Lamar now. But before last year, I feared Huntley more than Lamar.