DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Voting rights

Their stand on racism and racist laws has certainly softened. But I'm not a fan of baseball anyway.

They want to stop early voting? Please enlighten us on this new revelation.

Also, the vote was up that high after the new law was passed. Are you saying it's just not racist enough??

It's a funny thing about human nature. When you try to stop someone from doing something they want to do, it tends to make them even more determined to do it. Sometimes it even encourages people that didn't do it before to take a stand out of principal alone.. It appears the state of Georgia's strategy has backfired on them.

In your mind somehow you think that those laws caused people to go out and vote. I wonder why that is?

Votes were up across the board. Not just with blacks. I have an idea why.

Pit nailed it

You just said the laws caused them to.

Exactly. So I wonder why that is? Why did more restrictive laws make more people vote than before by a wide margin?

It was you who decided to post that after the laws were changed a lot more people voted. Are you saying you weren't trying to draw a causation there? So why do you think that is? Keep dancing around that.

I'm not dancing around anything.

I showed you facts, you don't like the facts, now you want to wax philosophic.

I LOVE the facts! The more roadblocks Republicans put in the way of people voting, the more determined people are to vote. Their strategy is backfiring on them just like their abortion bans are.

In many areas throughout the south they have closed polling locations in rural areas with a mainly minority populations making it harder for them to vote. Yet they still overcome those obstacles as well.

I love the facts because they don't mean what you think they mean.

No they don't. They added Saturday early voting to make it more convenient for people who work. How is that stopping anything?

They also expanded in-person early voting hours and mandated each county have drop boxes for absentee ballots. Not that #factsmatter

Fewer voters used drop boxes after Georgia voting law limited them

https://www.ajc.com/politics/fewer-...limited-them/WTCPBE7QH5HBBEJB37RSC3FQYY/

A new Georgia voting law reduced ballot drop box access in places that used them most

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/27/1112487312/georgia-voting-law-ballot-drop-box-access

A sweeping generalization doesn't mean much when people actually do look at facts.

I don't buy that people can't vote.

If they want to vote, they will find a way to vote.

Obviously you haven't paid attention to states like Florida, Texas, Georgia and some others that have done whatever they can to hinder voters they feel won't vote Republican. Take Ohio, the AG here decided to disqualify thousands of Voters. And lets not forget all the Gerrymandering going on.

It should be easy for legit voters to vote and for some folks, it's just not that simple.

Yes they do. They just haven’t successfully completed their grand scheme.

I don't buy that states should be passing laws that make it more and more difficult for people to vote. People can "find a way". But is that really the point here? The point here is that laws are being passed that make it harder to vote.

Only in Predominantly Democrat districts where gerrymandering didn’t work so well or the new district lines were rejected by the voters. Pfft Gopers …don’t like the voters outcome, make it harder for the opposition to vote. It has been part of their platform for years.

Nor should Atlanta replace all the phone booths with voting kiosks and drop boxes. Your comments about less drop boxes making it harder are ridiculous. Harder compared to what? Driving to Wal-Mart? GTHOH Besides with the record number of early, in-person voting, drop boxes will obviously be less used. Math any mosquito could understand.

If you're going to keep talking about "harder", please start by defining "hard". This is turning into a ridiculous pity-party for people that neither require or are asking for any pity.

So your claim was that those drop boxes were still there and now that it's been shown that not only have many been removed, but they've been removed in areas where people can't afford transportation live you pivot to another excuse. Same as it ever was.

Blah, blah, blah, blah... senseless sob-story. There are about 35 different ways to vote now. If someone didn't vote, they're either lazy or looking for excuses. If they can't afford transportation they can vote from home. Next they'll be unable to afford the free postage. "No fair, no fair!!!"

So they didn't make it harder to vote? They didn't reduce drop boxes? Some southern states didn't reduce polling places in minority areas? Texas didn't reduce drop boxes to one per county which means where liberal voters live in huge numbers like Houston only have on drop box?

The only one I see in denial and throwing a tantrum here is you. They're either making it harder for people, especially in minority neighborhoods to vote or they aren't. And obviously they are.

The subject should not be voting, because when you are talking about the voting, the subject ought to be
ending slavery today.

I think this is more the point. It isn't that they are making it more difficult for everyone to vote. THey are making it harder fora selective portion of the population to vote.

Yes Pit, they made it harder to vote.

Easier than picking buggers. But still harder than snoring.

It's harder to do one of the easiest things to do in the world to do. Something that humankind has spent an eternity willing to die for, but internet trolls set their hair on fire about if it doesn't come with a chauffeur and a tall glass of ice water.

Jump on your next crusade. You've already lost this one, but I don't feel like spending 145 posts and reading 32 "you see"'s to prove it. So we'll just say "you win" so you can grab your juice box and head back to MSDNC.

Chill Pit. For some GOPers, they could have went a lot further with their turn back to Jim Crow. Remember, we don’t all think the same or have the same values.

I remember a time when you voted on voting day. One could still absentee vote, but you voted on voting day. It's not harder to vote.

To a point daman made about purging voter rolls. States should if they have names that haven't voted in x number of years. That increases administrative burden to keep them there and leaves open the possibility of voter fraud.

Voters have weeks to cast their vote. Somewhere in that timeframe they can find a way to vote. One has to remember; polls are mostly staffed by volunteers. Only a small segment of the population actually volunteers to do anything. You can't have voting precincts every 5 miles. In some cases, some people are going to have to travel 15 miles or more to get to their designated polling place.

I think we all know how early voting and mail in voting works now. The point is Gopers want to change all that in certain districts that vote predominantly democrat and make it harder for them to cast their vote. But the fact is it also hurts themselves.

When states shut down poling places in minority districts, that's making it harder. Texas did that.

As for only voting on one day, you know, it's not been like that since I starting voting. The first time I voted was an Absentee ballot. I was going to be on my Honeymoon on the day of voting that year. So you are going back way too far. Todays world is such that people work more than they did years ago.. why the hell shouldn't we make it easier to vote.

As for Purging voter rolls, sure, If people hadn't voted for years, I got no problem purging them. But in Ohio, that's not what happened.

It's funny all the BS we hear from the right about rigged elections. Yet, Everyone in power (except politicians that lost) keep repeating that our elections are safer than they've ever been.

It's almost like the Right doesn't have anything to complain about so they have to make stuff up.

It's not harder for YOU to vote. It's not harder for ME to vote. I know you "remember a time" but that was long ago. Over past six years or so laws have been passed that make people "unlike you and me" have a harder time voting.

Here is an article from 2018 showing polling places being closed in minority neighborhoods.....

Closed voting sites hit minority counties harder for busy midterm elections

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mpact-minority-voter-turnout/1774221002/

In 2020

Texas closes hundreds of polling sites, making it harder for minorities to vote

Guardian analysis finds that places where black and Latino population is growing by the largest numbers experienced the majority of closures and could benefit Republicans

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting

Texas counties can offer only one drop-off ballot location, federal appeals court rules, upholding Gov. Greg Abbott’s order

Civil rights groups and voting advocates had argued the restriction would disproportionately impact low-income voters, voters with disabilities, older voters and voters of color in Democratic counties.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/13/texas-election-ballot-drop-off/

Let me explain what that does. In counties with as many as 2.4 million voters and all urban areas, somehow hundreds of thousands and even millions of people only have one drop box location while rural counties with very low populations also have one drop box. Now how can anyone justify that?

You wish to look at "long ago I remember". But what has happened is that right people died for was made much easier. And now that is being reversed. We have options a lot of people don't. We have transportation and the means to drive an extra few miles if need be. It's no big deal to us. A lot of people don't have that choice. And the people in power in these red states know who those people are.

People like FATE just blow it off by making fun of it. They make fun of it because it doesn't effect them. And they look like fools making fun of the people who stand up for the people it does effect. To each their own.

And all that mumbo-jumbo is for people that would rather exercise one of many choices and drive to a ballot drop off.

I suspect these are all people who can't afford stamps and whose cars run on fairy-dust, thus keeping within their tight budget allowance for voting and avoiding the outrageous 63¢ charge for a postage stamp. Meanwhile, early voting has been expanded and it is easier than ever to vote everywhere in America... For "you", "me", and "everyone".

Keep going, this is fun.

Lol which prove pits point. It’s fun making fun of issues that effect minorities and the poor.

Aw, it's so understanding of you to think that poor people keep living in the same place long term. You keep making up BS excuses why it's okay for red states to make voting harder. Thoughts and prayers.

Noooo, it's fun making fun of the people that scream bloody murder as if people are being asked to cross a desert (with no water, of course) to do something. When in reality, there are so many avenues to complete the task, that you have to try to be suppressed. You, me, everyone, regardless of wealth or social standing. The only valid excuse being making the case for somebody that can't afford a 63¢ stamp.

Maybe you and Pit can donate. I'll match your donations. Let's fix this injustice now!

You have to verify your address to buy stamps nowadays?

What in the world are you saying??

Please make sense of this latest angle, I want to feel the full fury of my privilege.

I had no idea English was so hard for you. Red states are making it harder to vote and much of it is targeted towards poor minority neighborhoods. Closing polling places. Limiting drop boxes. Yet all you have in response is "Yeah, but it's still not hard to vote!" For some it's not that easy. And in all of that, it still doesn't change the fact they ARE making it harder. Yet somehow you think making fun of that is making a point. And yes, poor people who can't pay their rent get forced to move a lot. So they won't be getting their mail in ballots sent to them since their address has changed. They will actually have to re-register to vote.

You know, it's odd how you stood up for you being able to make a better living for your family. I supported you on that. But when it comes to others having the same opportunities to vote they had just a few years ago you make up excuses why they shouldn't. I guess when it's not about you things are suddenly different.

Cool story.

It takes two minutes to get an absentee ballot online. And everyone in the country that wants one has a free gov't phone and free data. So I think we resolved this deep dilemma as well.

Disclaimer: There is some typing involved and a total of 8-12 "clicks" after reaching the site. You may want to get a tall, cold glass of water before attempting this...

FREE absentee ballot for any state in two minutes or less!





BTW, the strange infatuation with trying to make me out to be an evil person when you get tired of cold, hard facts makes you sound a bit desperate... just thought you'd want to know.

You can bet your ass if these restrictions affected white rural voter turn outs with outlandish lines, no refreshments in line, and 10% of random voters just found themselves removed from the voter rolls and forced to vote absentee SPECIAL ballot… then Fate and Peen would have issues with it. Because then it would effect their side of the aisle.

So you still refuse to admit that some red states have made it harder to vote since 2018 and especially in minority as well as high democrat voting areas. Par for the course. And that's a you problem. Cold hard facts are that they have. You acting like you can't comprehend that makes you look like something. If evil is your choice of wording then so be it.

So closing polling places doesn't make it harder to vote? Limiting it to one ballot drop off box for over 2.4 million people doesn't make voting harder? Of course those things do. And all you have in response is white noise.

We both know they fully understand that over the past few years laws have been passed that makes voting harder for the other side. But then that would force them to admit something they seemingly never do. That some Republicans are just wrong. You can see it everywhere on here. Do they come to any threads to say Jan.6th was wrong? that those who are being convicted deserve it? Any comments about how trump plans to pardon them? Anything about Santos? MTG? Nope. Musks antisemitic post on X? Nope.

But they'll go balls to the wall to make excuses why it's okay to make voting harder for the other side. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Awe...

and now the quintessential virtue signaling and cry-baby Trump goalposts.

Seriously? Libtard snowflakes need refreshments now? What a bunch of pussies.