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It may not be a fairy tale but if what you say s true, that the GM of the Browns is more concerned about the future of a single players career on another team somewhere over stability of the Browns QB depth they have and even bigger issue than some thought they did.


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If the @uarterback situation doesn't get fixed the Browns may not win 2 more games all year.


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Those guardrails were written in 2016, just before the Sashi Brown/Hue Jackson 31-1 era. You're stating as fact that the current regime is currently following them to the letter. ...and my realistic alternative theory is a fairy tale?


jfan...you conveniently left out the name of Chief Strategist that Haslam hired on Jan.05, 2016, Paul DePodesta, the baseball guy.

It's Depo's name at the top of Browns Guardrails that have been followed since 2016. Guardrails link

As long as the Browns follow Depo's Plan of Operation, it will come back to hurt the franchise's goal of winning a Super Bowl.
For example: Depo's first guardrail listed on the top left..."DON'T PAY FOR DEPTH"
How did that Guardrail work out for the Browns at QB this season?


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How do you know the guardrails haven't evolved over time?

That's actually one of the foundations of the guardrails.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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first rule of guardrail, is don't talk about the guardrail.

" old colddawg" " I think We are going to win today and it won't be close" ...
I would LOVE to see that.


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I think Joe and Kevin look like each other

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Kev looks more like Clooney.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think Joe and Kevin look like each other


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lol !!

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I seriously thought that too!


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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so he's back on the PS now.. wtf


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Originally Posted by leadtheway
so he's back on the PS now.. wtf

Most likely a procedural move.


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Originally Posted by YTownBrownsFan
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so he's back on the PS now.. wtf

Most likely a procedural move.

I would not be a bit surprised if Flacco was blamed for the loss to the Rams and demoted by Berry and Stefanski in an effort to "scapegoat Flacco".

To a fault, both Berry and Stefanski (and others) in this franchise fall in love with their own draft picks and choices and manipulate the roster to promote their own picks and choices.

If Flacco is demoted, IMO, it will prove that winning the football game vs Jags is secondary to promoting their own draft picks.

Flacco was the first QB Browns QB to read quickly and get the ball out on time and accurately, throwing a catchable ball that his WRS could handle.


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Flacco was on the practice squad and called up for the Rams game. After the game he automatically returns to the practice squad. We can call him up again (I think 4 times. total) or put him on the 53


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Flacco will be our starter again until he's injured IMO


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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IIRC, we can only have 3 PS players brought up to the active roster at a time, and those can only be for 3 weeks until they are either signed or cut.

Right now we have at least 2 holes we need help with, at WR (depending on Cooper's condition) at CB (Ward) plus any potential needs at S. We'll probably have to sign someone to the active roster, and that's probably going to be Flacco. (but probably not til Friday, or so)


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If I was Jax, I'd try to sign Flacco off of our practice squad


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Originally Posted by Jester
If I was Jax, I'd try to sign Flacco off of our practice squad
They are not allowed to per league rules (something about we are allowed to promote him to the full roster 3 times)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by Dawgs4Life
Flacco will be our starter again until he's injured IMO

I hope you are right.

Clearly we can see the difference between a veteran like Flacco, who has been where the Browns want to go...a Super Bowl (win)...and a rookie like DTR who is just happy to get playing time but has no experience at winning playoff games in the NFL.

Experience does matter...get DTR and PJ ready to backup Flacco, if needed..!


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agreed Mac


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Originally Posted by mac
I hope you are right.

Clearly we can see the difference between a veteran like Flacco, who has been where the Browns want to go...a Super Bowl (win)...and a rookie like DTR who is just happy to get playing time but has no experience at winning playoff games in the NFL.

Experience does matter...get DTR and PJ ready to backup Flacco, if needed..!

That seems to be a much more popular sentiment on the board now than it was only a couple of short weeks ago.


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I just had a weird day dream where Flacco led the browns to a playoff victory in Baltimore.


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I just had a weird day dream where Flacco led the browns to a playoff victory in Baltimore.

As a Dawg who lives around hundred of thousands of Steelers and Ravens fans, I would LOVE to see that!


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There seems to be a lot of confusion about the Browns tactic of placing Flacco on the practice squad. One of my major concerns was that the Browns would be taking a chance of losing Flacco to another team that needed help at QB.


Just as was explained by some board members who knew about rules that apply to the use of the practice squad, I found the following article that explains how the tactic being used by the Browns works. 


 
Joe Flacco to Remain on Browns' Practice Squad

The Browns announced on Tuesday that they will keep Joe Flacco on the practice squad despite speculation that opposing teams could attempt to pluck the veteran from Cleveland

ANTHONY MOEGLIN14 HOURS AGO
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The Cleveland Browns announced on Tuesday that Joe Flacco was going to remain on the team's practice squad before their upcoming game against the Jacksonville Jaguars. 

While this is standard procedure in the NFL, this news sent Browns' nation into a bit of a panic as some fans believed that this would make him eligible to be signed and picked up elsewhere.Do not worry! Joe Flacco will be a Cleveland Brown next week and throughout the remainder of the season. 

Do not worry! Joe Flacco will be a Cleveland Brown next week and throughout the remainder of the season.

At the highest level, the practice squad rules are pretty straightforward:

Practice squad players can be placed on the gameday roster THREE times during the season
After those first three designations, they revert to the practice squad
Upon the fourth designation to the gameday roster, they must be signed to the 53-man roster
If they are not signed to the team's 53-man roster after their fourth game, they will then go to the waiver wire and be available for any team to pick up
Teams are allowed to activate two practice squad players per week

We experienced this same thing earlier in the season when quarterback PJ Walker was going through the same routine. After his third game of the year, he was placed on the 53-man roster and is a part of the active roster now.


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In a situation like this the "why's" are most likely because the Browns wish to keep their intentions in the dark.

The Jag's will have to plan on both quarterbacks. Today is the day when the game plan begins implementation. If DTR remains under concussion protocol it would be a clear indication that Flacco will start.

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ahouldn't matter if DTR is in concussion protocol or not for a team thats clinging to the laughable playoff aspirations, the only QB on this roster that will even give them a shot if Flacco.. All this cloak and dagger BS is just more shenanigans of an incompetent FO.


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How does keeping your opponent guessing make one incompetent?


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yeah.. they are really guessing.. gmab. Theres 15 years of tape on Flacco, and DTR scares noone


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Originally Posted by bonefish
In a situation like this the "why's" are most likely because the Browns wish to keep their intentions in the dark.

The Jag's will have to plan on both quarterbacks. Today is the day when the game plan begins implementation. If DTR remains under concussion protocol it would be a clear indication that Flacco will start.



To even suggest that DTR belongs above Flacco on the depth chart is laughable and a slap in the face to long time Browns fans who have seen enough good football to recognize the difference between a veteran like Flacco, playing the QB position vs a rookie, like DTR playing the position.

The first tip off might be whether the QB throws a 5 yd pass with the same velocity as a QB who is throwing a 15yd curl.

DTR might show some QB talent but he has a lot to learn from a veteran like Flacco. Flacco can teach DTR and PJ a lot if the Browns coaches allow Flacco the opportunity to teach them.


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I stated before the game last week that Flacco would start for the rest of the season if he looked decent.

Experience matters.

DTR practiced today. So he cleared protocol.

The one consideration would be weather and field conditions. Rain is the forecast. If the field is really sloppy with wind etc.

One would have to consider a running quarterback with hardly any passes. Other than that Flacco would be the guy.

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DTR has not been cleared yet. Depending on if he had any symptoms after practice he might be on track to be cleared.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-concussion-protocol-process-return/neo5aga3ey4c4zzvshu6exwf#:~:text=The%20player%20is%20taken%20to,or%20a%20focused%20neurological%20exam.

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Originally Posted by bonefish
I stated before the game last week that Flacco would start for the rest of the season if he looked decent.

Experience matters.

DTR practiced today. So he cleared protocol.

The one consideration would be weather and field conditions. Rain is the forecast. If the field is really sloppy with wind etc.

One would have to consider a running quarterback with hardly any passes. Other than that Flacco would be the guy.

thats adorable you think KS will run the ball when the situation calls for it


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Originally Posted by leadtheway
ahouldn't matter if DTR is in concussion protocol or not for a team thats clinging to the laughable playoff aspirations, the only QB on this roster that will even give them a shot if Flacco.. All this cloak and dagger BS is just more shenanigans of an incompetent FO.

Thus why I don't think it is cloak and dagger stuff, just procedural. If the Browns signed Flacco to the 54 man roster, they would have to cut somebody from the roster. By elevating him to the gameday roster they don't have to cut anybody. Flacco just takes somebodys place on the gameday roster.

By waiting, the team may not have to cut anybody. Guys get hurt, and late in the season it becomes easier to just IR them the rest of the season.


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It is adorable because the Browns are second in the NFL in rush attempts.

And if you knew what you were talking about you would know that.

In addition if you knew about the tackles on the team you would know what kind of run blockers they are and how they match up weekly.

Or, maybe if you knew the defensive tendencies of the team we play. You have an idea about a game plan.

But since you don't know any of that. You are better off calling plays from your couch.

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Originally Posted by mac
To even suggest that DTR belongs above Flacco on the depth chart is laughable and a slap in the face to long time Browns fans who have seen enough good football to recognize the difference between a veteran like Flacco, playing the QB position vs a rookie, like DTR playing the position.

In what world is saying nothing suggesting anything? Nobody has "suggested that". I think you are looking for excuses to be outraged where none exist.


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It is adorable because the Browns are second in the NFL in rush attempts.

And if you knew what you were talking about you would know that.

In addition if you knew about the tackles on the team you would know what kind of run blockers they are and how they match up weekly.

Or, maybe if you knew the defensive tendencies of the team we play. You have an idea about a game plan.

But since you don't know any of that. You are better off calling plays from your couch.


lol you are wrong on every point... running attempts vs percentage of the playcalls are different... and running alot and running when you're supposed to are two different things as well.. and you should also know our tackles suck in the run game. oh and the defensive tendencies.... oh please enlighten me on how when playing the worst run defense in the nfl we had 16 carries...or against seattle when we need a single yard and we throw a pick instead.. sounds like you're better off just eating your applesauce and waiting for jeopardy


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So where do the Browns rank in "running attempts vs percentage of the play calls"? Let me ask you, do you think the smart thing to do is call a running play when that's exactly what your opponents are expecting you to do? Run when they have 8 men in the box? Because it would seem you think that down and distance are the only two factors in play calling.


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"and you should also know our tackles suck in the run game. oh and the defensive tendencies....???

So running with two backs that are below average behind tackles that suck is a good strategy when the defense is stacking against the run?

If you had one percent of the information that the coaching staff has week to week on individual match-ups please enlighten me on down and distance
defensive tendencies weekly.

In addition pre-snap there are check out calls based upon alignment. There are options.

So, please sit back down on your couch and justify to yourself how much more you know than the people who get paid.

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Don't forget that in the last 2 games the defense wasn't shutting the other team down. We were behind the entire game. Even with how relatively run-heavy we are, I'd like to see us run more but when you're behind in a game you have to start throwing eventually (especially when the deficit is growing).


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