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You are right.
In addition sometimes the guys on the other side make a play.
Play calling is like calling a pitch in baseball. You have to execute and still sometimes the hitter gets the hit.
When a game is over and plays are in question. If a play blows up. It is easy to be critical. He shoulda done this or that. Those who are so quick to criticise and the same people who never say a word when a great play works.
Couch experts.
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Useful information.
The #Browns running backs have faced a 63.5% increase in stacked boxes by opposing defenses since Deshaun Watson's shoulder injury. If you're wondering why the Browns have been throwing the ball more in the last 3 games.
Add the fact that Ford is not very good and Kareem is a short yardage single purpose back.
Plus the tackles are not so hot in run blocking.
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Bone,
I agree with your takes regularly...I even agree with that ^ one. BUT...Ski has gotten away from what was working - including running the ball - or having a feel for the game and being cute too often well before DW4 blew out his shoulder. JMO
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I by no means think that KS is perfect. There are times that I disagree with calls.
In particular I despise long developing plays behind the LOS. I felt if I saw another end around with Moore I would hurl.
He is not a running back. He is small and not all that fast. He is a slot receiver who can at times can play outside.
We have to run the ball even though I know how limited Ford and Kareem are. This has been a rough year. We are on qb 4. The loss of Nick was devastating to me. The receiving unit is far from ideal. Yet we are 7-5 with a damn good shot at winning 10 games. If we win our homes we will be in the playoffs.
That is shocking really. There have been way too many years when we were done at Thanksgiving.
When you look at head coaches who have remained in the NFL. It is no easy task. Reid, Tomlin, Belichick and a few others. It takes owner patience. Roster change, and injuries occur. Stability at qb is super important. We have not had that under KS. That is a fact.
KS is a first time head coach. Berry is a first time GM. Although qualified for their jobs they are gaining experience. Experience matters.
I want these guys to remain because I believe in them. That does not mean I always agree with their decisions. I have been critical of both.
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"and you should also know our tackles suck in the run game. oh and the defensive tendencies....???
So running with two backs that are below average behind tackles that suck is a good strategy when the defense is stacking against the run?
If you had one percent of the information that the coaching staff has week to week on individual match-ups please enlighten me on down and distance
defensive tendencies weekly.
In addition pre-snap there are check out calls based upon alignment. There are options.
So, please sit back down on your couch and justify to yourself how much more you know than the people who get paid. you really have zero clue and it shows.. you type these long winded posts about really nothing..and yeah.. when a team is the worst at something in the whole league and you don't attack that.. yeah I'm sorry but just because they are being paid to do it don't mean they should..this may be crazy to you, but sometimes those people that get paid to do something, get fired because they don't do it well.. I'm done talking about it.. KS is known for bad situational playcalling.. so yeah, I don't trust in a weather game him to run at all...which was the point of my post. I don't need to justify anything.. i have eyes. Sounds like yours have issues.. don't sit so close to the tv when you watch Murder she wrote
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Bone,
I agree with your takes regularly...I even agree with that ^ one. BUT...Ski has gotten away from what was working - including running the ball - or having a feel for the game and being cute too often well before DW4 blew out his shoulder. JMO BINGO
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
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I tell you what shows is your ignorance.
You want to trade insults. Let's go.
When you want to talk football crawl under a rock because your have nothing.
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j/c:
This team is on its 4th QB, lost Chubb, both OTs, have had injuries and missed games by starters everywhere, and yet, has managed 7 wins battling for a playoff spot in December.
And people are complaining about Stefanski and running the ball with Hunt and Jerome Ford on a thread about the Browns' QB.... Joe Flacco.
Truly remarkable times.
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Just look at the people doing the complaining. They whine about everything under the sun.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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" And people are complaining about Stefanski and running the ball with Hunt and Jerome Ford on a thread about the Browns' QB.... Joe Flacco. " What do you expect Memphis ? The Kevin Stefanski thread is locked !! 
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![[Linked Image from i28.photobucket.com]](http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/shadedog/mcenroe2.jpg) gmstrong ----------------- 2023: The year we got a legit D.
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Flacco really has 5 TDs in two games while Pickett has 6 TDs in twelve games.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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Yeah, the old man is doing ok. I hated him for years (cuz he was a Raven and always beat us but who didn’t?), now he’s our QB and playing well, so love the guy. Life as a Browns fan is crazy, swish.
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I formally apologize for calling Flacco a statue lol
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
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There are a couple things that stand out to me watching the play of Joe.
When he gets protection and throws in rhythm. He anticipates the route and throws to the spot. His ball placement is precise.
He is decisive and the ball is out quickly. He can hit the small windows.
His arm talent is elite. He throws a beautiful ball. Tight spiral with speed or touch. The TD throw to Njoku was not rushed. He was wide open.
Joe made sure he caught it. He just layed it up.
On the throw to Bell on fourth down. That was such a cool play. Jumbo OL package. Everybody in the house was thinking run. Joe fit the ball at the right speed and height inside the action and Bell was gone.
Even Stefanski was high stepping as Bell scored. That is some good football right there.
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It has to be a great feeling for Joe.
At 38 you are well aware that the clock is ticking. Every moment you can still compete is treasure. All that you have done to have a career is facing you in the mirror.
So being in a new locker room with a team deep in the hunt is a moment to savor.
Go Joe Go.
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We’re running on fumes and heart. All these injuries... Now Hickman needs to step up, because no one else is available. The OL... Jesus h... it’s only Tuesday but we’ve learned Jed and Dawand are done in til 2024, then Hurst. At least Delpit could be available in the playoffs.
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I have a kind fo strange comment regarding Flacco. I was very surprised when Joe chose #15. I have been a Browns fan since 1969 and it got me thinking of which former Browns QBs had worn that number. In recent history, I can't think of any. An obvious older QB who wore #15 was Mike Phipps, but IIRC I think Mark Miller from Bowling Green played in the 1970s and I think his number was 15.
Anyone else recall Browns QBs who wore number 15?
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CB Players with the number 15 …..Av= approximate value of player 0-100
Player From To AV
Mario Alford 2016 2016 0
Davone Bess 2013 2013 2
Adrian Colbert 2021 2021 0
Steve Cox 1981 1984 6
Joe Flacco 2023 2023
Ken Gorgal 1953 1954
Gary Lane 1966 1967 1
Greg Little 2011 2012 9
Mark Miller 1978 1979 1
Marlon Moore 2014 2015 0
Jim Ninowski 1958 1963 7
Tommy O'Connell 1956 1957
Mike Phipps 1970 1976 35
Bert Rechichar 1952 1952
Bryan Wagner 1989 1990 3
Charlie Whitehurst 2016 2016 0
Dave Zastudil 2006 2009 7
A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.
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CB Players with the number 15 …..Av= approximate value of player 0-100
Player From To AV
Mario Alford 2016 2016 0
Davone Bess 2013 2013 2
Adrian Colbert 2021 2021 0
Steve Cox 1981 1984 6
Joe Flacco 2023 2023
Ken Gorgal 1953 1954
Gary Lane 1966 1967 1
Greg Little 2011 2012 9
Mark Miller 1978 1979 1
Marlon Moore 2014 2015 0
Jim Ninowski 1958 1963 7
Tommy O'Connell 1956 1957
Mike Phipps 1970 1976 35
Bert Rechichar 1952 1952
Bryan Wagner 1989 1990 3
Charlie Whitehurst 2016 2016 0
Dave Zastudil 2006 2009 7 I might have guessed Jim Ninowski. I see a couple punters in there. Only other QB I see if Charlie Whitehurst but I don't know the early 60s and 1950s guys/. Not surprising I forgot him, since he was a here for a drink of water.
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I formally apologize for calling Flacco a statue lol Haha, I pretty much said the same thing.
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Flacco is a point passer. He throws at or just before a receiver breaks in his cut. That is how he got picked last week. Our receiver got jammed up with a defender. Much like receivers try to pick a defender on various routs, this time the defender acted as the pick man, unintentional, and our receiver never got to his point, thus what looked like a dumb throw. Just the way it goes.
We have had many QB's going back a long way that didn't throw until they see the receiver open. Bernie was much the same as flacco. He threw to a spot and expected his receiver to be there. As a receiver you have to be on your toes. By the time a receiver makes his cut and looks back, the ball is going to be 3/4 of the way there.
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Air Coryell concept. Still works as long as the receiver can execute and is not disrupted..
I saw that too. Good comment.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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That always made Bernie's arm look stronger than it was.
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thats an awesome video clip of Joe
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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That was a very accurate description all the way around Peen. That's exactly what both Flacco does and Bernie did. And your description of that pick was spot on.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Blocking those who argue to argue, eliminates the argument.
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I'm really curious about how both Flacco and the FO feel about him being with the team going into next year.
I'm going to keep beating this drum. Teams that consider themselves contenders have a capable backup QB on their roster. DTR is a QB with a lot of promise, but has a way to go before he can be counted on to go into a game and win.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I'm really curious about how both Flacco and the FO feel about him being with the team going into next year.
I'm going to keep beating this drum. Teams that consider themselves contenders have a capable backup QB on their roster. DTR is a QB with a lot of promise, but has a way to go before he can be counted on to go into a game and win. I would sign Flacco as our backup next year in a heartbeat. DTR could learn so much from 2 vets like Flacco and Watson.
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Given the life that Facco has brought in the door.
The one area of injury that really hurts is OT. I was hopeful that Wills would return and we would have Wills and Jones at OT.
Christian and Hudson are deep below average.
What I believe is KS will go back to the Baker playbook. That is 12 personnel, under center, play action. We will use a third TE at times. On some plays we will go OL jumbo and bring in an extra guard with a fullback.
We will use the rolling pocket and go back to a brand of WCO. Where the routes will be tied up to 3 and 5 step drops. That means get the ball out.
Flacco can run that offense. He has in the past. In fact play action is his game. He hides the ball well and is decisive when throwing. We saw some of that in the Jags game.
Scheme and assignment are strong points of a KS offense.
Really with the injuries at OT it is our best chance.
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And with the way things have been going with DW Joe will probably be our starter next year too!!!!
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I think we'd all gladly chip in to help with the bonus money
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Forget the incentives, how much is Flacco making this year? League minimum?
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$370,800.
A little better than league minimum for a 10+ year veteran.
Veteran minimum for 10+ years is $1.165M, or $68,529 per game.
He is getting $75,000 per game.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Again,I’d try and keep him around for next year too. We’ll probably need him. Insurance. We need insurance!!
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IMO which I stated a number of times. the backup needs to be a veteran former starter.
A guy who can step in to any situation and get rattled. Joe is perfect. He is a seen it done that guy who can execute a playbook.
What we are seeing from him fits precisely.
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Exactly Bone. I agree wholeheartedly!
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