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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/22/investing/billionaire-harvard-donor-blavatnik/index.html

Billionaire Harvard megadonor suspending donations due to antisemitism.

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Israel: Starvation Used as Weapon of War in Gaza

Evidence Indicates Civilians Deliberately Denied Access to Food, Water

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza


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UN says more than 1 in 4 people in Gaza are starving because of war

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/21/un-...in-gaza-are-starving-because-of-war.html


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I'm a Christian Palestinian in Bethlehem. This Christmas, we feel alone and broken.

As a Palestinian Christian, canceling Christmas celebrations this year feels right.

Every year at Christmas time in Bethlehem, bright lights and colorful decorations adorn the streets and homes in the Christian areas of the city where Jesus was born. Christian communities light trees and people crowd Christmas markets, where their neighbors sell handmade gifts.

As Palestinians, we welcome tourists this time of year, and celebrate with them the re-birth of Jesus and the rebirth of hope. During Ramadan, we do the same. We fast together and then celebrate Eid holidays.

This year, Christmas is canceled. The lights are dark and there are no bustling Christmas markets. Bethlehem feels empty, and we feel broken.

Christian leaders here canceled the celebrations in solidarity with Gaza. We can’t celebrate until our friends and colleagues in Gaza, both Muslim and Christian, are safe and can celebrate Christmas with us.

This Christmas is different. Across the West Bank, we, as Palestinians feel alone as the world watches our brothers and sisters in Gaza face unimaginable suffering. Usually a time when Palestinians, Christian and Muslim, celebrate the birth of Jesus with tourists from all over the world, today we feel like the world is no longer with us. We feel alone in our suffering.

We worry our children in Bethlehem are next

As a humanitarian aid worker, my work has always given me hope during times of conflict and injustice, and a reason to work for the greater good and to serve the people in greatest need. Since the beginning of this recent violence in Gaza, and while responding to the unfolding humanitarian catastrophe there, that hope has felt very distant.

Instead, I feel a tightness in my chest. Trapped, insecure and without hope. I love my country and I love being a Palestinian. But it seems the longer we hold on to our country, the more we suffer.

We are angry, sad and afraid over what's happening in Gaza.

For years I told my children that they are safe living in Bethlehem. Now they know I’ve been lying to them. They see the Israeli soldiers on their way to school and they watch the news. They see Palestinian children being killed and as much as I want to tell them this couldn’t happen to them, we worry that the West Bank is next, that our children are next.

In war, children suffer most:Israel-Hamas war will leave a generation in trauma. Will the world forget its children?

Since the start of the relentless bombing of Gaza and the violence across the West Bank, my children cry at the sounds of nearby explosions. I hold them tight and tell them where to hide when we hear these sounds.

I think about how families in Gaza have lived with these sounds for more than two months.
Canceling Christmas amid violence in Gaza feels right

As a Palestinian Christian, canceling Christmas celebrations this year feels right. We can’t celebrate while Palestinians in Gaza face so much suffering. My children have asked me to put up the Christmas tree, but I’m torn. How can we celebrate while children in Gaza are being killed? We agreed to put it up because it is tradition, but it won’t bring us joy this year.

This Christmas, many of us in Bethlehem just want to stay home, spend time with our families and feel safe. I think of Mary and Joseph in search of a safe place and being turned away, time and again.

We can’t turn away from what is happening in the exact same place, at the exact same time of year, to innocent families in Gaza who have no safe place to go.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...m-gaza-israel-war-suffering/72003527007/


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Israel didn’t lite the fire. Palestine, Hamas, and the rest of the Arab world did.


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So is tump and his entire crew and supporters. But you won’t see Fox News scouring the world for shameful acts caused by his rhetoric.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Israel didn’t lite the fire. Palestine, Hamas, and the rest of the Arab world did.

Only Hamas did. The Palestinian people didn't. Once again, if the next door neighbor man killed your family, would that excuse you to bomb his house with his entire family inside? Because that's pretty much what you're making excuses for with the whole "Yeah well they started it" routine.


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I’m not excusing anything. Once again the Palestinian people haven’t resisted Hamas. They voted them into power. Thousands of Palestinians are Hamas. Palestinians make up the major fighting force.


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You do know that Hamas has not allowed an election since 2006, right? That would be like you blaming Americans if trump and the Republicans hadn't allowed an election for 17 years and trump remained in power the entire time. How do you expect the Palestinian people to "resist Hamas"? Fight them with stones?

Yes, the estimates I've seen there are approximately 30k members of the Hamas military. That's out of over 2.3 million people. Per capita I would venture to guess there are more crazies in our country per capita. You got some pretty weak ass excuses for slaughtering innocent women and children. Maybe next you will claim if Israel kills all of their women they can't breed any more Hamas fighters and killing all of those children will prevent them from growing up to be members of Hamas.

Let me give you a clue of what I'm talking about. Israel has been using 2000 pound dumb bombs to bomb Gaza. Bombs that haven't been seen being used since Vietnam. They can kill and wound people for over 1000 feet away. While Israel claims they are targeting Hamas they are not. They have zero regard for civilian casualties.

‘Not seen since Vietnam’: Israel dropped hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs on Gaza, analysis shows

https://www.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html


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Palestinians are almost as weak as Russians. They can’t get it together and expel their tyrants in a revolution. You know, like US. I’m pretty sure other countries would come to their aid if they showed a true ambition to do so, and yeah, start throwing rocks. Stand up for yourselves, the world will see the tyrants on stage.


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It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.

Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.


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I’m not convinced of anything about this war, unlike you, who knows it all.


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I’m not convinced of anything about this war, unlike you, who knows it all.


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Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
I’m not convinced of anything about this war, unlike you, who knows it all.

What I know is what people like the World Health Organization says. Groups like Doctors Without Borders says. What the U.N. says. What military experts on munitions say. You don't have to know everything to listen and learn from non bias sources.

Give it a try.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.

They don't have to drop 2000 pound bombs on civilian targets to accomplish that. I'm all for Israels goal of wiping out Hamas. But it can be done in a way that does not involve nearly so many civilian caualties and I'm all for that too. With just a little effort on the less civilian casualty front both can be accomplished.


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It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.

Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.

If that's your rationale, then why not just skip to the end and drop THE bomb and turn all of Palestine to glass?


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It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.

Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.

If that's your rationale, then why not just skip to the end and drop THE bomb and turn all of Palestine to glass?

They could but they are trying to exterminate Hamas and not Palestine. Israel has lived peacefully with Palestine, but the reverse cannot be said.


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Originally Posted by Day of the Dawg
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It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.

Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.

If that's your rationale, then why not just skip to the end and drop THE bomb and turn all of Palestine to glass?

They could but they are trying to exterminate Hamas and not Palestine. Israel has lived peacefully with Palestine, but the reverse cannot be said.

Palestine and Israel has never lived peacefully. Palestine has harbored Hamas and accepted their agenda. Kill all Jews. Did you see them dancing and celebrating in the streets of Gaza city after the massacre and hostage taking?

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It sounds like you've convinced yourself that the purposeful slaughter of innocent civilians is okay. Not much more anyone can say once you've crossed that threshold. You have no idea what "other countries" would do and your hyperbole does not replace the reality of what is happening.

Reality is Israel is making sure they have a peaceful future without Hamas.

If that's your rationale, then why not just skip to the end and drop THE bomb and turn all of Palestine to glass?

They could but they are trying to exterminate Hamas and not Palestine. Israel has lived peacefully with Palestine, but the reverse cannot be said.

Palestine and Israel has never lived peacefully. Palestine has harbored Hamas and accepted their agenda. Kill all Jews. Did you see them dancing and celebrating in the streets of Gaza city after the massacre and hostage taking?

Israel has given up land time and time again since 1973 to try to get peace. They have tried to have peace with Palestine, but Palestine has not tried to have peace with Israel.


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Agreed. Not excusing how Israel fights their wars as Pitt will point out again I’m sure. But Hamas has brought this upon all of Gaza. Not Israel. Israel will not stop now until Hamas is killed. Civilians die in wars. One way to avoid it, don’t kill and take your civilian neighbors hostage, then hide yourselves armed to the teeth behind and under civilian infrastructure.


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You have 2.3 million people in Gaza which is roughly twice the size of Washington D.C. There's a difference between what you describe and being crowded into an area where there's no place to separate yourself from civilians. You're still making excuses for the slaughter of innocent civilians.

I'll try again to show you how Israel doesn't care about killing those civilians even though to this point it seems none of that matters to you.

I pointed out before how they claim to be targeting Hamas while using 2000 lb. bombs. A 2000 pound bomb can maim and kill people for up to 1000 feet in every direction. In contrast the U.S. when a target is identified uses a 500 lb. bomb to effectively kill the target while trying to minimize civilian casualties. The whole, "Yeah but Hamas started it" doesn't excuse that.

There is a blockade in place that is preventing food, water and medical supplies from entering Gaza. 25% of the population is starving.

I'm surprised that you keep using that "Did you see them celebrating in the streets" excuse. It would be no different than foreign governments showing footage of Jan. 6th and claiming that represents all Americans. That would simply be a lie wouldn't it? Out of those 2.3 million people, just how many did you see celebrating to make it sound like that represents the Palestinian people?

It's obvious to anyone paying attention that Israel is punishing and slaughtering Palestinians as an act of revenge. They have zero regard for Palestinian civilians and they are killing far more of them than they are killing Hamas in a manner that could essily be avoided.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
You have 2.3 million people in Gaza which is roughly twice the size of Washington D.C. There's a difference between what you describe and being crowded into an area where there's no place to separate yourself from civilians. You're still making excuses for the slaughter of innocent civilians.

I'll try again to show you how Israel doesn't care about killing those civilians even though to this point it seems none of that matters to you.

I pointed out before how they claim to be targeting Hamas while using 2000 lb. bombs. A 2000 pound bomb can maim and kill people for up to 1000 feet in every direction. In contrast the U.S. when a target is identified uses a 500 lb. bomb to effectively kill the target while trying to minimize civilian casualties. The whole, "Yeah but Hamas started it" doesn't excuse that.

There is a blockade in place that is preventing food, water and medical supplies from entering Gaza. 25% of the population is starving.

I'm surprised that you keep using that "Did you see them celebrating in the streets" excuse. It would be no different than foreign governments showing footage of Jan. 6th and claiming that represents all Americans. That would simply be a lie wouldn't it? Out of those 2.3 million people, just how many did you see celebrating to make it sound like that represents the Palestinian people?

It's obvious to anyone paying attention that Israel is punishing and slaughtering Palestinians as an act of revenge. They have zero regard for Palestinian civilians and they are killing far more of them than they are killing Hamas in a manner that could essily be avoided.

You are blinded by your hate for the Jewish people!!!


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I stand for all innocent civilians be they Jewish, Muslim. Christian, Hindu or any other faith. I don't pick and choose. Just as with most countries, I can love and stand for their people without agreeing with every decision their government makes. Those are two different things. It appears you haven't bothered reading this thread because several times I have stated that what Hamas did on Oct. 7th was an atrocity to humanity. I've made it clear just how horrific that day was and how Israeli civilians were wrongly made the victims of Hamas. Why? Because I also stand for the innocent civilians in Israel. But that's part of the bigger issue. Some, like yourself only stand up for innocent civilians based on their geographic location or religion.

I see you quoted my entire post and have no real or substantive response to any of it.

You see, it's not the Jewish population in Israel that are making the decision to block food, water and medical supplies from entering Gaza. It's Netanyahu. It's not the Jewish population of Israel who made the decision to use 2000 lb. bombs to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible. It was Netanyahu. Somehow you can't seems to separate holding Netanyahu accountable for his decisions from the Jewish people.

So let me ask you, when you disagree with whoever happens to be president of The Unites States at the time and speak out against his decisions, does that mean you haste the American people?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I stand for all innocent civilians be they Jewish, Muslim. Christian, Hindu or any other faith. I don't pick and choose. Just as with most countries, I can love and stand for their people without agreeing with every decision their government makes. Those are two different things. It appears you haven't bothered reading this thread because several times I have stated that what Hamas did on Oct. 7th was an atrocity to humanity. I've made it clear just how horrific that day was and how Israeli civilians were wrongly made the victims of Hamas. Why? Because I also stand for the innocent civilians in Israel. But that's part of the bigger issue. Some, like yourself only stand up for innocent civilians based on their geographic location or religion.

I see you quoted my entire post and have no real or substantive response to any of it.

You see, it's not the Jewish population in Israel that are making the decision to block food, water and medical supplies from entering Gaza. It's Netanyahu. It's not the Jewish population of Israel who made the decision to use 2000 lb. bombs to inflict as many civilian casualties as possible. It was Netanyahu. Somehow you can't seems to separate holding Netanyahu accountable for his decisions from the Jewish people.

So let me ask you, when you disagree with whoever happens to be president of The Unites States at the time and speak out against his decisions, does that mean you haste the American people?

If they were protecting their civilians and soldiers yes. I would stand with them. I believe when it comes to protecting your citizens and your soldiers you do whatever is necessary. If the decisions Netanyahu is making saves just 1 Israeli citizen or just 1 Israeli soldier. I think he is making the right decision. Hamas attacked his people. We are not citizens of the world, and we should have no say in how or by what means Israel uses to ensure their people are safe. Hamas is to blame for what happened in Israel and Hamas is to blame for what is now happening in Gaza. Plain and simple.


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One of the hostages released today said of Palestinians, “they are all Hamas, they are married with Palestine, they are one. Hamas and Palestinians are the same.”

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How would they know that if they were being held by Hamas?


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So then just nuking them would be okay with you too since that would help save Israeli lives? I have shown how they can accomplish the exact same thing while killing far less civilians. But you don't care. But hey, you are not alone so there's that.

As you yourself said, Hamas is the guilty party. Hamas is not Palestinian civilians.


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How would they know that if they were being held by Hamas?

Ask them, idk. And who are you to say what they would or wouldn’t know… Have you s[pent time in a Hamas tunnel lately? I get it doesn’t fit your agenda of saving all the Palestinians, but this is how they feel.

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It's just a common sense question. If they were being held by Hamas how would they know the overall opinion of the Palestinian people? You claim that's how they feel and this hostage may have even come in contact with some who Hamas works with among the civilian population that support Hamas. But there's no way anyone held hostage by Hamas knows the overall sentiments of the Palestinian people. Even you know that. That isn't complicated.

That comment was based on a very small sample size. And firsat you said "a hostage" said that. Now you're saying "ask them." One is not "them".


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So then just nuking them would be okay with you too since that would help save Israeli lives? I have shown how they can accomplish the exact same thing while killing far less civilians. But you don't care. But hey, you are not alone so there's that.

As you yourself said, Hamas is the guilty party. Hamas is not Palestinian civilians.

They are paying the price for Hamas setting up base in Gaza. You can say guilt by association. All I know is Netanyahu has a duty to protect his Country and his action will be judged on if his Country's civilians are thus protected. If Hamas was able to strike again then shame on him. They need to exterminate and an example to Hezbollah and other radicals, so the same atrocities do not happen again. If those same radicals thought, they could get away with it they would commit those atrocities again and they would do the same in this country. They hate us as much as they do the Jewish people. That is why standing up for Israel is so important.


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Reactions like yours is why we invaded Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. People allowed their emotions to overrule common sense and decency. You know, decency, something that is supposed to be the difference between terrorists and civilized society. As I said, Israel could easily accomplish the same goals without killing so many innocent civilians. Making excuse for why they shouldn't is only excusing the slaughter of innocent people. Which is the exact same thing we are all so outraged by when it was the Israeli people having it done to them. But these are Palestinian people so it's different, right?


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Reactions like yours is why we invaded Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11. People allowed their emotions to overrule common sense and decency. You know, decency, something that is supposed to be the difference between terrorists and civilized society. As I said, Israel could easily accomplish the same goals without killing so many innocent civilians. Making excuse for why they shouldn't is only excusing the slaughter of innocent people. Which is the exact same thing we are all so outraged by when it was the Israeli people having it done to them. But these are Palestinian people so it's different, right?

Israel has a right to defend itself!!! That is the difference. Hamas attacked them. They are taking the fight to Hamas, and you cannot handle it when the full force of a Democracy comes down on invaders. As far as Iraq goes. The US was not attacked again so Bush did something right. At least he did not let civilians die at the hands of their oppressors like Biden did in Afghanistan.


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Biden executed the plan Trump put in place. He kept the word of America which Trump gave. And no, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that's been proven time and time again. So while you make a good case for the war in Afghanistan which I agreed with, there is no excuse for Iraq.

And Israel certainly has a right to defend itself. But defending itself has nothing to do with using weapons that will purposefully maximize civilian casualties. Those are two different things. I support Israel wiping out Hamas. You're bringing up an issue that does not exist. Making excuses for Israel to purposefully kill so many innocent civilians isn't something any good Christian should support. At least not according to the book I read.


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Biden executed the plan Trump put in place. He kept the word of America which Trump gave. And no, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that's been proven time and time again. So while you make a good case for the war in Afghanistan which I agreed with, there is no excuse for Iraq.

And Israel certainly has a right to defend itself. But defending itself has nothing to do with using weapons that will purposefully maximize civilian casualties. Those are two different things. I support Israel wiping out Hamas. You're bringing up an issue that does not exist. Making excuses for Israel to purposefully kill so many innocent civilians isn't something any good Christian should support. At least not according to the book I read.

Don't bring religion into your argument with me because you get offended when I start using Bible verses and not Bible verses used out of context.


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I stand for all innocent civilians be they Jewish, Muslim. Christian, Hindu or any other faith.

Hamas has no interest in peace. If they aren't stopped, they will continue. Sadly, history proves that.

Take a read: Screams Without Words’: How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7

https://www.yahoo.com/news/screams-without-words-hamas-weaponized-191206172.html

At first, she was known simply as “the woman in the black dress.”

In a grainy video, you can see her, lying on her back, dress torn, legs spread, vagina exposed. Her face is burned beyond recognition, and her right hand covers her eyes.

The video was shot in the early hours of Oct. 8 by a woman searching for a missing friend at the site of the rave in southern Israel where, the day before, Hamas terrorists massacred hundreds of young Israelis.

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The video went viral, with thousands of people responding, desperate to know if the woman in the black dress was their missing friend, sister or daughter.

One family knew exactly who she was: Gal Abdush, mother of two from a working-class town in central Israel, who disappeared from the rave that night with her husband.

As the terrorists closed in on her, trapped on a highway in a line of cars of people trying to flee the party, she sent one final WhatsApp message to her family: “You don’t understand.”

Based largely on the video evidence — which was verified by The New York Times — Israeli police officials said they believed that Abdush was raped, and she has become a symbol of the horrors visited upon Israeli women and girls during the Oct. 7 attacks.

Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck — the rave, the military bases along the Gaza Strip border and the kibbutzim — they brutalized women.

A two-month investigation by the Times uncovered painful new details, establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.

Relying on video footage, photographs, GPS data from mobile phones and interviews with more than 150 people, including witnesses, medical personnel, soldiers and rape counselors, the Times identified at least seven locations where Israeli women and girls appear to have been sexually assaulted or mutilated.

Four witnesses described in graphic detail seeing women raped and killed at two different places along Route 232, the same highway where Abdush’s half-naked body was found sprawled on the road at a third location.

And the Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.

Many of the accounts are difficult to bear, and the visual evidence is disturbing to see.

The Times viewed photographs of one woman’s corpse that emergency responders discovered in the rubble of a besieged kibbutz with dozens of nails driven into her thighs and groin.

The Times also viewed a video, provided by the Israeli military, showing two dead Israeli soldiers at a base near Gaza who appeared to have been shot directly in their vaginas.

Hamas has denied Israel’s accusations of sexual violence. Israeli activists have been outraged that U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres and the agency U.N. Women did not acknowledge the many accusations until weeks after the attacks.

Investigators with Israel’s top national police unit, Lahav 433, have been steadily gathering evidence, but they have not put a number on how many women were raped, saying that most are dead — and buried — and that they will never know. No survivors have spoken publicly.

Israeli police have acknowledged that during the shock and confusion of Oct. 7, the deadliest day in Israeli history, they were not focused on collecting semen samples from women’s bodies, requesting autopsies or closely examining crime scenes. At that moment, authorities said, they were intent on repelling Hamas and identifying the dead.

A combination of chaos, enormous grief and Jewish religious duties meant that many bodies were buried as quickly as possible. Most were never examined, and in some cases, like at the rave scene, where more than 360 people were slaughtered in a few hours, the bodies were hauled away by the truckload.

That has left Israeli authorities at a loss to fully explain to families what happened to their loved ones in their final moments. Abdush’s relatives, for instance, never received a death certificate. They are still searching for answers.

In cases of widespread sexual violence during a war, it is not unusual to have limited forensic evidence, experts said.

“Armed conflict is so chaotic,” said Adil Haque, a Rutgers law professor and war crimes expert. “People are more focused on their safety than on building a criminal case down the road.”

Very often, he said, sex crime cases will be prosecuted years later on the basis of testimony from victims and witnesses.

“The eyewitness might not even know the name of the victim,” he added. “But if they can testify as, ‘I saw a woman being raped by this armed group,’ that can be enough.”

‘Screams Without Words’

Sapir, a 24-year-old accountant, has become one of the Israeli police’s key witnesses. She does not want to be fully identified, saying she would be hounded for the rest of her life if her last name were revealed.

She attended the rave with several friends and provided investigators with graphic testimony. She also spoke to the Times. In a two-hour interview outside a cafe in southern Israel, she recounted seeing groups of heavily armed gunmen rape and kill at least five women.

She said that at 8 a.m. Oct. 7, she was hiding under the low branches of a bushy tamarisk tree, just off Route 232, about 4 miles southwest of the party. She had been shot in the back. She felt faint. She covered herself in dry grass and lay as still as she could.

About 50 feet from her hiding place, she said, she saw motorcycles, cars and trucks pulling up. She said that she saw “about 100 men,” most of them dressed in military fatigues and combat boots, a few in dark sweatsuits, getting in and out of the vehicles. She said the men congregated along the road and passed among them assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly wounded women.

“It was like an assembly point,” she said.

The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.

“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

She said the men sliced her face, and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women.

Sapir provided photographs of her hiding place and her wounds, and police officials have stood by her testimony and released a video of her, with her face blurred, recounting some of what she saw.

Yura Karol, a 22-year-old security consultant, said he was hiding in the same spot, and he can be seen in one of Sapir’s photos. He and Sapir were part of a group of friends who had met up at the party. In an interview, Karol said he barely lifted his head to look at the road, but he also described seeing a woman raped and killed.

Since that day, Sapir said, she has struggled with a painful rash that spread across her torso, and she can barely sleep, waking up at night, heart pounding, covered in sweat.

“That day, I became an animal,” she said. “I was emotionally detached, sharp, just the adrenaline of survival. I looked at all this as if I was photographing them with my eyes, not forgetting any detail. I told myself: I should remember everything.”

That same morning, along Route 232 but in a different location about 1 mile southwest of the party area, Raz Cohen — a young Israeli who had also attended the rave and had worked recently in Congo training Congolese soldiers — said that he was hiding in a dried-up streambed. It provided some cover from the assailants combing the area and shooting anyone they found, he said in a 1 1/2-hour interview in a Tel Aviv, Israel, restaurant.

Maybe 40 yards in front of him, he recalled, a white van pulled up, and its doors flew open.

He said he then saw five men, wearing civilian clothes, all carrying knives and one carrying a hammer, dragging a woman across the ground. She was young, naked and screaming.

“They all gather around her,” Cohen said. “She’s standing up. They start raping her. I saw the men standing in a half circle around her. One penetrates her. She screams. I still remember her voice, screams without words.

“Then one of them raises a knife,” he said, “and they just slaughtered her.”

Shoam Gueta, one of Cohen’s friends and a fashion designer, said the two were hiding together in the streambed. He said he saw at least four men step out of the van and attack the woman, who ended up “between their legs.” He said that they were “talking, giggling and shouting” and that one of them stabbed her with a knife repeatedly, “literally butchering her.”

Hours later, the first wave of volunteer emergency medical technicians arrived at the rave site. In interviews, four of them said that they discovered bodies of dead women with their legs spread and underwear missing — some with their hands tied by rope and zip ties — in the party area, along the road, in the parking area and in the open fields around the rave site.

Jamal Waraki, a volunteer medic with the nonprofit ZAKA emergency response team, said he could not get out of his head a young woman in a rawhide vest found between the main stage and the bar.

“Her hands were tied behind her back,” he said. “She was bent over, half naked, her underwear rolled down below her knees.”

Yinon Rivlin, a member of the rave’s production team who lost two brothers in the attacks, said that after hiding from the killers, he emerged from a ditch and made his way to the parking area, east of the party, along Route 232, looking for survivors.

Near the highway, he said, he found the body of a young woman, on her stomach, no pants or underwear, legs spread apart. He said her vagina area appeared to have been sliced open, “as if someone tore her apart.”

Similar discoveries were made in two kibbutzim, Be’eri and Kfar Aza. Eight volunteer medics and two Israeli soldiers told the Times that in at least six different houses, they had come across a total of at least 24 bodies of women and girls naked or half naked, some mutilated, others tied up, and often alone.

A paramedic in an Israeli commando unit said that he had found the bodies of two teenage girls in a room in Be’eri.

One was lying on her side, he said, boxer shorts ripped, bruises by her groin. The other was sprawled on the floor facedown, he said, pajama pants pulled to her knees, bottom exposed, semen smeared on her back.

Because his job was to look for survivors, he said, he kept moving and did not document the scene. Neighbors of the two girls killed — who were sisters, 13 and 16 — said their bodies had been found alone, separated from the rest of their family.

The Israeli military allowed the paramedic to speak with reporters on the condition that he not be identified because he serves in an elite unit.

Many of the dead were brought to the Shura military base, in central Israel, for identification. Here, too, witnesses said they saw signs of sexual violence.

Shari Mendes, an architect called up as a reserve soldier to help prepare the bodies of female soldiers for burial, said she had seen four with signs of sexual violence, including some with “a lot of blood in their pelvic areas.”

A dentist, Capt. Maayan, who worked at the same identification center, said that she had seen at least 10 bodies of female soldiers from Gaza observation posts with signs of sexual violence.

Maayan asked to be identified only by her rank and surname because of the sensitivity of the subject. She said she had seen several bodies with cuts in their vaginas and underwear soaked in blood and one whose fingernails had been pulled out.

The Investigation

Israeli authorities have no shortage of video evidence from the Oct. 7 attacks. They have gathered hours of footage from Hamas body cameras, dashcams, security cameras and mobile phones showing Hamas terrorists killing civilians and many images of mutilated bodies.

But Moshe Fintzy, a deputy superintendent and senior spokesperson of Israel’s national police, said, “We have zero autopsies, zero,” making an O with his right hand.

In the aftermath of the attack, police officials said, forensic examiners were dispatched to the Shura military base to help identify the hundreds of bodies; Israeli officials say around 1,200 people were killed that day.

The examiners worked quickly to give the agonized families of the missing a sense of closure and to determine, by a process of elimination, who was dead and who was being held hostage in Gaza.

According to Jewish tradition, funerals are held promptly. The result was that many bodies with signs of sexual abuse were put to rest without medical examinations, meaning that potential evidence now lies buried in the ground. International forensic experts said that it would be possible to recover some evidence from the corpses but that it would be difficult.

Fintzy said Israeli security forces were still finding imagery that shows women were brutalized. Sitting at his desk at an imposing police building in Jerusalem, he swiped open his phone, tapped and produced the video of the two soldiers shot in the vagina, which he said was recorded by Hamas gunmen and recently recovered by Israeli soldiers.

A colleague sitting next to him, Mirit Ben Mayor, a police chief superintendent, said she believed that the brutality against women was a combination of two ferocious forces: “the hatred for Jews and the hatred for women.”

Some emergency medical workers now wish they had documented more of what they saw. In interviews, they said they had moved bodies, cut off zip ties and cleaned up scenes of carnage. Trying to be respectful to the dead, they inadvertently destroyed evidence.

Many volunteers working for ZAKA, the emergency response team, are religious Jews and operate under strict rules that command deep respect for the dead.

“I did not take pictures because we are not allowed to take pictures,” said Yossi Landau, a ZAKA volunteer. “In retrospect, I regret it.”

There are at least three women and one man who were sexually assaulted and survived, according to Gil Horev, a spokesperson for Israel’s Ministry of Welfare and Social Affairs. “None of them has been willing to come physically for treatment,” he said. Two therapists said they were working with a woman who was gang raped at the rave and was in no condition to talk to investigators or reporters.

The trauma from sexual assault can be so heavy that sometimes survivors do not speak about it for years, several rape counselors said.

“Many people are looking for the golden evidence, of a woman who will testify about what happened to her. But don’t look for that. Don’t put this pressure on this woman,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel. “The corpses tell the story.”

The Woman in the Black Dress

One of the last images of Abdush alive — captured by a security camera mounted on her front door — shows her leaving home with her husband, Nagi, at 2:30 a.m. Oct. 7 for the rave.

He was wearing jeans and a black T-shirt. She was dressed in a short black dress, a black shawl tied around her waist and combat boots. As she struts out, she takes a swig from a glass (her brother-in-law remembers it was Red Bull and vodka) and laughs.

You’ve got to live life like it’s your last moments. That was her motto, her sisters said.

At daybreak, hundreds of terrorists closed in on the party from several directions, blocking the highways leading out. The couple jumped into their Audi, dashing off a string of messages as they moved.

“We’re on the border,” Abdush wrote to her family. “We’re leaving.

“Explosions.”

Her husband made his own calls to his family, leaving a final audio message for his brother, Nissim, at 7:44 a.m. “Take care of the kids,” he said. “I love you.”

Gunshots rang out, and the message stopped.

That night, Eden Wessely, a car mechanic, drove to the rave site with three friends and found Abdush sprawled half naked on the road next to her burned car, about 9 miles north of the site. She did not see the body of Abdush’s husband.

She saw other burned cars and other bodies and shot videos of several, hoping that they would help people to identify missing relatives. When she posted the video of the woman in the black dress on her Instagram story, she was deluged with messages.

“Hi, based on your description of the woman in the black dress, did she have blonde hair?” one message read.

“Eden, the woman you described with the black dress, do you remember the color of her eyes?” another said.

Some members of the Abdush family saw that video and another version of it filmed by one of Wessely’s friends. They immediately suspected that the body was Abdush, and based on the way her body was found, they feared that she might have been raped.

But they kept alive a flicker of hope that somehow, it wasn’t true.

The videos caught the eye of Israeli officials as well. Very quickly after Oct. 7, they began gathering evidence of atrocities. They included footage of Abdush’s body in a presentation made to foreign governments and media organizations, using Abdush as a representation of violence committed against women that day.

A week after her body was found, three government social workers appeared at the gate of the family’s home in Kiryat Ekron, a small town in central Israel. They broke the news that Abdush, 34, had been found dead.

But the only document the family received was a one-page form letter from Israeli President Isaac Herzog expressing his condolences and sending a hug. The body of Abdush’s husband, 35, was identified two days after his wife’s. It was badly burned, and investigators determined who he was based on a DNA sample and his wedding ring.

The couple had been together since they were teenagers. To the family, it seems only yesterday that Nagi Abdush was heading off to work to fix water heaters, a bag of tools slung over his shoulder, and Gal Abdush was cooking up mashed potatoes and schnitzel for their two sons, Eliav, 10, and Refael, 7.

The boys are now orphans. They were sleeping over at an aunt’s the night their parents were killed. Gal Abdush’s mother and father have applied for permanent custody, and everyone is chipping in to help.

Night after night, Gal Abdush’s mother, Eti Bracha, lies in bed with the boys until they drift off. A few weeks ago, she said she tried to quietly leave their bedroom when the younger boy stopped her.

“Grandma,” he said, “I want to ask you a question.”

“Honey,” she said, “you can ask anything.”

“Grandma, how did mom die?”

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How would you deal with a terrorist group that wants nothing more than for you all to be dead?

How would you deal with terrorists that spent how many billions building tunnels so they could lob rockets at you whenever, and why ever? They didn't use that money to help palestinians. Killing YOUR civilians, and raping and brutalizing YOUR civilians, and children? And then they run back and hide in the tunnels, under schools, hospitals, and homes.

Read that article. Then, get back to me with your 'what abouts".

No peace will exist in that area until the ..........well, no peace will exist.

I know you like to think you're on a higher level. Just as you like to think you have the answer to any and every question, be they asked or not.

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Thanks for that article. It is sad. Sad that people treat other people like that. Sad that women were abused like that. Sad that hate turns people into animals. Sad that we have so many around the world that support these acts and these people and condemn the Jewish people. I stand with Israel. I stand with the Jewish people.


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I'm do not understand what that has to do with the topic. Nobody has tried to defend Hamas. Nobody has argued that Israel should not wipe out Hamas. Hamas is a terrorist organization plain and simple.

The questions are why Israel is using 2000 lb. bombs which kill people in 1000 feet in every direction if their expressed goal is to target Hamas? Why are they cutting off food, water and medical aid for the Palestinian people which at the current time has 25% of the Palestinian people starving?

If Hamas is in the tunnels, why does that excuse their actions? You do realize these 2000 lb. bombs do not destroy those tunnels, right? They aren't bunker buster bombs. I have not asked for peace to exist. I've asked that Israel target their enemy and not innocent civilians. Attacking me and making excuses for such actions reflects more about you than me. And in case you missed it, nobody asked you for your response either. But as per usual, rather than address those questions you attack the messenger. I don't think I'm on a higher level. I just think you and some others are trying to gloss over the obvious here.


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