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Does anyone really think Schwartz would be offered a HC job?

His track record as a HC has not been great at 29-52.

Probably gets extra credit for even lasting that long in Detroit. Here's the last 25 years of futility... on the heels of having pro-bowlers all over the field and the best RB in football (Sanders) and never coming close. 12 coaches. Caldwell the only one with the full-time gig and a winning record, he was 0-2 in the playoffs. I don't think Schwartz will get much grief for his Detroit record from 15 years prior.

Bobby Ross 1997–2000.... 27-30
Gary Moeller† 2000.... 4-3
Marty Mornhinweg† 2001–2002.... 5-27
Steve Mariucci 2003–2005.... 15-28
Dick Jauron 2005 ....1-4
Rod Marinelli† 2006–2008 ....10-38
Jim Schwartz† 2009–2013 ....29-51
Jim Caldwell 2014–2017 ....36-28
Matt Patricia† 2018–2020 ....13-28
Darrell Bevell 2020 ....1-4
Robert Prince† 2020 ....0-1
Dan Campbell 2021–present.... 23-25-1

That's what I'm hoping for as well. It would be nice to have him here another year or two at least to try and groom an underling as a replacement and keep some consistency.

He got off to a decent start in Detroit IIRC. It all went downhill for him after the Harbaugh jumping backslap.

I'd expect we stay inside the box with any promotion. Tarver has been an NFL D coordinator with Oakland.

No matter, keeping the D the same isn't easy when you change the coordinator. It isn't realistic to think you can slip new guys in and think things will be the same, though I wouldn't think that things would change that much in the ways of scheme.

I don't really disagree with you Peen and I think while you didn't expound on it, it's deeper than "scheme alone". I'm pretty sure you played sports back in your day and I did as well. Certainly not to this level but enough to get a feel for certain things. Some coaches are just natural born leaders of men. The way they coach, the way they lead, the way they make you believe, it's almost as though you would walk through hell for them. While other coaches simply do not instill that in their players. I think that may very well be a part of the difference we're seeing on the field.

Schwartz, since his presence in Cleveland in general, we've been seeing players who were back-ups, practice squad players and people signed off their couch playing like legitimate NFL starters. Now I've seen people give Berry a lot of credit for that and he certainly deserves some of it. But I would certainly hope people don't believe that's the entire story here. Sure I can't prove it and have no way of knowing it for sure, but the only time I've ever seen such marginal players step up this big is with a coach that has inspired them to perform beyond themselves.

I think there are certain intangibles in people themselves that are very hard and sometimes almost impossible to replace based on the X's and O's on a play sheet. I think it's the ability to lead men to go through hell and back for a cause, for their team or something bigger than themselves. Based on the overwhelming odds considering all the injuries incurred, I think Schwartz is a member of that rare breed of leaders.

the other thing that seems to be true: we are very straightforward on D and it allows the guys to play freely without thinking. And then that stuff perpetuates and you get better and better

I do believe that in a presser he was asked the question and his answer was something along the lines of "all coaches aspire to hold the top job".

When you consider what we fans have watched for the last 2 decades, probably the most unbelievable part is that this team didn't start coming apart at the seams by mid-season. You had Chubb going down and the corresponding absurd loss in Pittsburgh. Watson looking very bleh, then showing promise but going down with injury and the subsequent trouncing by Baltimore. Then the injuries and QB play that followed prior to Flacco.

Posters on here have used the phrase "this team is different"... and that's just it right there. This Browns teams (very much unlike previous rosters/seasons) not only didn't fall apart but actually came together.

Regardless of how this year plays out we as Browns fans have a lot to be thankful for. There hasn't been this much to cheer about since the mid to late 80's. I'd love to see a Super Bowl as all Browns fans do. It won't be easy having to win 3 playoff games most likely all on the road, but I've been pleasantly wrong about this team and am hoping for the best.

Whoever made this video for the Browns needs a raise.

9:57 minute mark was pretty cool too.

Downside: JW rugrat sighting.

Justin Hardee, a Clevelander from Glenville High School.

I knew it was too good to be true that JDubs came to his senses.

He just re-positioned those little goblins outside of the camera shot during postgame speeches.

Please help me to catch up:
What's a 'JW Rugrat?'
Who is 'JDubs?'

I miss certain things.

JW Johnson, Browns executive vice president and his kids. Jdubs is his Twitter name. He is also married to Haslam’s daughter

Does anybody have a copy of that gametime is paintime clip of JW? That will show all anyone needs to know about him.

Thnx, P. You've given me enough to get started.
I'll take it from here.

thnx.
gotit.