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A few more years and all new vehickles will be electric.

I can understand people hesitating on EVs. I do think the main box you have to check as a potential EV owner is having charging available at your place of residence. 99% of my driving is to/from work and once a week to play hockey. If I've got a plug waiting for me in my garage each day, my range could be 100 miles and I'd probably be fine (maybe an exaggeration, but you get what I'm saying).

That small percentage (when the family takes a trip up to Cleveland), we 're probably going to be taking my wife's family truckster anyway.

An EV makes all kind of sense to be my next car purchase, but that's because I have a couple of those boxes checked. I wouldn't even consider an EV right now if I had to rely on charger networks regularly.

You described my situation exactly. Hey, let me know if you ever need a 50 amp in the garage. I know a good electrician

Here’s a cool idea. Could probably run on a few deep cycle 12v batteries to get to and from the Highway. You wouldn’t need a big heavy bank of lithium batteries.



https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/mach/f...ging-electric-cars-thing-past-ncna766456

That is a gret idea, except for the cost issue.

I read an article about this a while back and I amn going by memory, so don't quote me on this, but if I remember correctly, Finland has already implemented this in some areas. THe problem is that it costs around one million dollars per mile to build - again if I am remembering correctly

The cost would need to come from the all the ev owners and large transportation companies using them. Probably start off as tolls then move to a subscription model pay method. IDK it is costly.

I did a google search. Looks like it is actually Swedan not Finland. And the road they have is a 2 km trial road.

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/...trified-road-for-evs-to-charge-while-dri


Could not confirm cost to build

Pretty cool. Wonder what happens when a dear or critter or human walks on it.

Exactly, you're going to pay while you use it. In other words, it pays for itself. Even at a million $ per mile (which would decrease dramatically as time goes on) it would be a no brainer. Tech like this gets me excited for the future.

Hydrogen is he way to go.

It would be far easier to develop rupture proof vessels. OK...maybe nothing is rupture proof, but we could come pretty are close.

j/c

I think as the thread has gone on we can see that this is technology in the making. It's not quite a finished product. But that technology is moving along quickly. There is 7.5 billion built into the infrastructure bill to increase charging stations across the country. That will certainly help overcome at least one obstacle. I can understand why people at this stage wouldn't want to purchase an EV for their main mode of transportation. It doesn't seem like the most sensible choice for long trips. I'm not so sure I understand why they wouldn't strongly consider one for a second car that's used for local driving. But as with most things as time goes on the technology will get better.

I can see some cities banning the burning of fossil fuels inside city limits in 10-20 years.

I don't doubt that. But I think what we'll find is it will be in the most liberal cities in the country. And the impact will result in less tourism and people moving away. We have poor people that can barely make ends meet that need to drive. They won't be buying EV's for a very long time. Hurting the very people you claim you wish to help isn't attractive. Sometimes such mandates only serve to shoot yourself in the foot.

Would you visit a city that prohibited you from driving your own car there? I certainly wouldn't.

Rave 4 110V plug in hybrid owner here.. Good pick up between the electric motors and engine. I think it is great. My wife can go to work and back without any use of gas. We have solar, so we charge as well.

If we go for a longer trip, the transition is seamless. But there is no battery anxiety. We charge overnight, when the electrical rates are low. Sell the electric to the grid during the day when the rates are higher.

A lot depends on your personal situation and driving habits.

I’m imagine inner city vehicles will be cheaper, lighter, smaller, compared to todays Tesla’s and other EV’s. I could see visiting NYC and parking my smog creator in Jersey and renting a inner city EV to go into the city. I’d be good with that.

There is also that old school technology called the train or subway for that.

True but we just love traffic jams, and driving around looking for an open parking space.

If you were forced to move because you were poor and couldn't afford an EV you may well vote for different people. Using NYC or LA as examples may be the best case scenario. But you would still be displacing a lot of your own voters and even more so in other cities with overall poorer populations.

Never, ever, ever. And there would never be a need.

We'll reach a point where ICE will be more costly, harder to maintain and repair and fuel will be $12 per gallon. That will be time and market creating the same effect. That time frame is more like 30-50 years.

People need to get past this "zero" b.s. There is no zero, never will be.

And don't get me wrong, not slamming you, because we all know there will be cities dumb enough to propose such things. At the end of the day -- they're part of the problem.

Never say never. Lol

I just did. Archive the statement for your grandkids, I'll do the same for mine. I'm sure they'll all be Browns fans on DT... waiting for a trophy... long after we have flying cars.

I have grandkids in Brooklyn, and in SF. They’re all for zero emissions in their cities. And sorry to say not Browns fans.

Worst idea ever.... Lets see do they work if they are covered in a foot of snow?

We can't keep our roads from having pot holes the size of sinkholes in Ohio now. Let alone the cost of maintaining millions of miles of this.

You’re right Ohio is run by a bunch of goper idiots who can’t even afford to maintain their sidewalks let alone their roads. Probably because they spent all those tax dollars on litigating law suits over abortion rights.

So, we actually need the global warming to keep the roads clear. That's why we need to take our time with this!

I'm not going to say you're wrong here. I have no way of knowing that. But one thing I can say emphatically is that you'll never achieve anything if you don't set a goal. You'll also never achieve anything when you say "you can't". Because I remember a time when people used your train of thought and were mistaken.

This is from Jan. 12th 1962. People said he was crazy. People said it was impossible. People said it could never be done. And yet it was.....

"We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too"

I witnessed that speech come true. After that I've found it very hard to use your logic on what can and can not come true and the idea of "never will be" hasn't seemed to apply. If everyone believed that the advancements we've seen "never will be" people would have never accomplished anything.

Yep that’s the way it’s going to work. Global warming before frozen batteries.

I was laying in bed last summer lamenting how much I was spending on gas (in Nevada gas prices are second only to California), and as I tend to do in life, I get on a train of thought and don't stop until I've pulled the trigger so to speak. I am a car guy. Love the physical act of driving. Anything that has wheels and a steering wheel, handlebars, whatever really...cars, trucks, motorcycles (two and three wheel), pretty much anything. I've owned it all.

I never considered buying an electric car before that night. I'm not an environmentalist. I'm not trying to save the planet. But as a I sat there in bed, with the wheels turning in my head, I decided I would go and test drive a Tesla. In southern California and southern Nevada, owning a Tesla is like joining a cult. Seems like every other car on the road is a Tesla. Didn't care for that aspect of it, but was also tired of paying $4.89/gallon of gas.

So I go and test drive one and am blown away. Power and tech. Test drove it on a Saturday, ordered it on a Monday. Had a wall charger installed at my house.

I traded in a BMW M3. I have zero regrets. Do not miss the ICE car (as the EV crowd says) at all. I absolutely despise going to the gas station and don't have to do that anymore. I am saving between $100 and $200/month on gas. The driving experience is absolutely phenomenal. It will blow away just about any car off the line. I'm not sure I will ever purchase another gas car. I bought a model Y. My wife now wants a model X. She didn't care about the car at all until I brought it home and she drove it. Now she is always looking for reasons to drive it.

Granted, I do not live in a cold weather climate. I have read recently that the electric car companies have done a terrible job of educating drivers on how to navigate the cold weather in an EV...how to prepare the car to be driven and charged. I think that's a big part of the reports coming out now. And let's be honest...there are some publications that are anti-EV and that's all you're going to hear.

We have not taken it on a long trip yet. But for daily driving, you will NEVER, NEVER run out of charge. Range anxiety is unwarranted. Drive all day, plug it in at night. And fears over battery life and replacing batteries is also unwarranted. Tesla batteries come with 8 year/96,000 mile warranties. Beyond that if you had to replace a battery, it's not much different than replacing an engine or transmission and should continue to get more cost feasible over time.

Not trying to sell anyone on them. Just trying to provide a first hand experience. I love my EV. I don't know anyone who owns one that doesn't feel the same.

This is not true. Many of the traditional car companies have started backing off of EVs. They just haven't taken to the general public like people thought they would.

Buy some Tesla stock now. They will still be going strong.

Or sending out welfare payments.

My point is why turn this in to your typical crapfest? I don't think ones political persuasion has anything to do with the merits, or lack of concerning electric cars.

You’re right…..It was a ridiculous post to ridiculous comment.

I agree.

However, the space program had the budget to do that. The average Joe doesn't have the budget to buy electric.
I am not saying it can't happen. I am just saying it can't happen by 2030 which seems to be the stated goal. We aren't talking 15 rockets, we are talking tens of millions of cars that currently have limited use and are more expensive than gasoline cars....the average person car.

Just a general question to all. How many in here who advocate for electric cars actually own an electric car? I will even lower the standard and say a hybrid car. Are we walking the walk here, or are we just talking the talk?

I bought a hybrid last March. A Honda Accord. It wasn't very cheap. I had to write a check for just over $32,000 to drive it off the lot. It's a nice sized car. Not luxury by any means, but it has all the stuff and offers enough room to drive more that 50 miles without cramping. It seemed like the best deal that offered comfort and a good milage rating. When I drive down to Florida, I get around 44-46 MPG. Home to Tennessee, around 43...I figure that Florida to Tennesse is more of an uphill drive. Heading to Cleveland, it is pretty much the same, but a little closer...Cleveland isn't at sea level so I don't get as much of a downhill boost.

I’m a big proponent of EV’s. I also realize we aren’t there yet. Hybrids are the way now. I own a 5.7 liter Toyota Tundra and a Scion XD. I work, tow, and plow with the Tundra and daily drive the Scion. Both paid off. The Scion avg 35mpg. The Tundra avg 17mpg. Can’t replace my work truck with an ev at this time. Hopefully soon with a hybrid. The Scion sips fuel, and I’ll replace with an EV when I feel it’s time.

OK....no, but that's cool.

You work with your truck. That's cool. You can't plow snow with some 140 HP EV that burns battery at a high rate in the cold. You deserve and expect to blow some heat while you are out to clear customers driveways and business parking lots.

You help keep America working. Thank-you.

It wasn't a ridiculous comment though. GM brought up the point of "will this work all the time and what will the cost of maintenance be". You do deserve a pass (sort of, a tiny one) because he was a big s/a about it.

We have a bad habit (especially where "green" is concerned) of ignoring all ancillary arguments, acting like the tech leaves no other scars on the earth, and snubbing our nose to the fact that every new 'great idea' has its own set of pitfalls. I'm sure repairing 'electric roads' will be much harder and much, much more costly. And will these roads work when it's 10 below?

Both 05 and Rish own EV's. Both have given them glowing revues in this very thread. The next vehicle I purchase will most lie be an EV based on their reviews. Like yourself I wanted first had accounts. Those were provided in this thread.

Yeah, I would concur. I love my Model Y, which of course is not perfect and has areas where it can improve, for sure. I think one of Tesla's biggest problems is they don't have the manufacturing prowess and experience that the Big 3 have, or the foreign cars have, that have been around forever, which creates hiccups, but I expect them to get there. Musk is also overselling the self-drive for what it is. It's better than the naysayers assert, but not as good as Musk asserts, go figure. It is improving with each download.

That being said, it's a phenomenal car for every-day commuting. Sentry mode has been a game changer, along with summoning, and a lot of the tech. A lot of people have complained about the number of "recalls" but recalls with a Tesla are very different than what most people are used to with gas cars. Recalls in these cases are almost always a software update that happens overnight without the driver even noticing. The car is basically a smartphone with wheels and a cabin. It's very comfortable, too.

I would hope at some point - perhaps after my lifetime, that we can invest in infrastructure that allows for real-time charging during a commute. Could drive to Florida from Cincy without even stopping - although that may cause a whole other industry to collapse.

That's the thing about technology, it's always advancing. At first it was the inability to recycle the batteries. That has been addressed. It was dirty mining. Much of that has been addressed. Mileage per charge continues to increase. I said earlier in the thread, which goes along with your comment, that as of now the solution isn't perfect.

Peen brought up the cost of EV's. Even those prices are dropping with many models selling for under 30k now. Of course as with anything you get what you pay for so they are low end models but it's a step in the right direction.