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The verdict was just released in NY Civil Fraud trial and it is big-like 350 million


https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fb...CJKA2EOIiTRatUAYz6FyeA==&system=prod

trump has run up quite a tab.

trump university fraud - guilty $25m

trump sexual assault and defamation - guilty $84m

trump fraud NY fraud case - guilty $355m (little donnie and eric $4 m each)

mmm $472m

Now the felony cases are coming. Run donnie run.

Trump's poll numbers:

Not really. Another mindless and untruthful meme.

Fixed.

I thought the polls were rigged? now they're legit, huh?

Doesn't change guilt.

Lol

A few years back they called and asked if they could count on my support for Sherrod Brown. I said I would likely vote for him.

So... they called back a few days later. "Can we count on your support?" "Of course"

Few days later: "I've known Sherrod since grade school, he'll always have my vote"

Following week: "Sherrod is a dear family member, I'm out campaigning for him as we speak!"


When they ask for any personal information I tell them I'm fat, black, gay, and my dad's Liberace.

So yeah, no, I don't lend much credence to any polls.



P.S... Trumps poll numbers will go up after this.

Except he wasn't found guilty of anything.

MAGAts won’t acknowledge that Trump is proven to have committed massive and continuous business fraud for decades. He’s now been found guilty of lying about the election theft, business fraud, sexual assault, and generally being a douchebag. They know he’s a traitorous cancer and still support him. Don’t waste your time with the meme-boy troll. He’s just the latest to have his cheese slide completely of his cracker.

Really?

So paying $472 m is a sign of innocence?

Civil is payment which sure means he was liable.

Guilty in criminal cases is right around the corner. 91 criminal indictments seems like a pattern there.

He is above the law no doubt.

No doubt it will be appealed. He may still have to pay, but it won't be that.

Seems funny how everybody who is against Biden or his kid end up being tied up in court and charged with crimes.

Seems suspicious to me....but that is my opinion. I know there is a dedicated posse who feel otherwise.

I don't read all the stuff in here because of the posse, but what about that doofus Atlanta prosecutor and DA? What a friggen joke that is.

His attorney already said he'd appeal it. I'm not sure exactly how it works but my understanding is in order to appeal this decision he has to put up cash or a bond or real collateral of some kind that is worth the amount of the judgement..

Given his recent history of losing, I have an issue with who would put up that kinda bond for him.... I'm betting he doesn't have that kinda cash laying around. Hey, maybe he can get his buddy Putin to put up the cash.

I don't see it that way, but of course, I'm not a Trumper.

What did the those opposing Fani Willis prove this week?

You had a former friend of hers who had a falling out with her saying she's known Wade since 2019 and that's when they started dating. She denies that, Wade Denies that and witnesses have stated otherwise. So again I ask, what have the proven.

As for those who are against Biden and his son, Well, when you attempt to take down someone, it helps if you have actual proof of wrong doing. I thought they had some with the Smirnof guy but it turns out he lied to the FBI and is in Custody.

So, again, you say it's just your opinion, but what is that based on,,

“Seems funny how everybody who is against Biden or his kid end up being tied up in court and charged with crimes.“

Only the ones that lie to the FBI.

“what about that doofus Atlanta prosecutor and DA? What a friggen joke that is.”

Yeah Goper’s all up in people’s sex lives again, like they’re making big bucks dating each other, while the maga bunch threaten them with death. pffft Gopers. Besides they aren’t the ones on trial. Your boy Donny is.

trump sees justice as an act of persecution by his enemies.

So tired of winning, , , ,

Ah the technicality to make it sound better than it is. He certainly didn't receive a 355 million dollar judgement against him because he was guilty of nothing.

Shady, unscrupulous people hang out with shady, unscrupulous people. Birds of a feather 101. I'm sure someone taught you that growing up. And it's quite common for people not to read, or block out things they don't want to hear. There's a lot of that going around.

Attorney's threaten appeals all the time. The only stipulation is you must have grounds for an appeal in order to appeal it. Let's see if his attorneys can find actual grounds for an appeal.

Trump foundation

Trump university

Atlantic City

Stormy Daniels

Carrol

And now this. Never mind all the other crap with him not paying contractors and such.

But it doesn’t matter what this guy does, the glazing conservative men give Trump no matter what kinds BS he’s involved in needs to be studied. The pathetic lows yall will go to in order to defend this clown is mind boggling.

Too bad the threshold for an appeal nowadays has been lowered to snake belly height.

Why would one want immunity if one has never broken a law?

Please don't forget all the MAGA women who support him - he who has been married three times (can't find his current wife), pays hookers and porn stars, claims you can grab them anywhere and get away with it, man who allegedly rapes woman in department store----- HE IS THEIR HERO and LEADER---- WOW.

Yeah but Hunter Biden!

my understanding of the judgement yesterday-
trump was hit for 3 different monetary judgements-
one from 2019, one from 2022 and one from 2023.
In NY, the ruling of 355 million does not include the interest on the penalty-NY interest rate on this is 9%. The interest on the ruling kicks it up to like 425 to 435 million.

Id he wants to appeal-he has to put all of the cash in an escrow or a bond. All of it including interest.
If he wants a bond, he needs to put up the total cost plus 20%-that would be over 500 million. I also believe that it still collects interest while the appeal goes on.

And my biggest problem with this is he can't get a loan for this from an bank registered in NY state. He is going to be looking at MBS or Putin or China for the money-and what is their terms going to be

From page 87 of the ruling-

Refusal to Admit Error
The English poet Alexander Pope (1688-1744) first declared, “To err is human, to forgive is
divine.” Defendants apparently are of a different mind. After some four years of investigation
and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of
the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of
contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values
to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a
mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint.
Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of
their ways. Instead, they adopt a “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” posture that the
evidence belies.
This Court is not constituted to judge morality; it is constituted to find facts and apply the law.
In this particular case, in applying the law to the facts, the Court intends to protect the integrity
of the financial marketplace and, thus, the public as a whole. Defendants’ refusal to admit
error—indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor—constrains this Court to
conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained.
Indeed, Donald Trump testified that, even today, he does not believe the Trump Organization
needed to make any changes based on the facts that came out during this trial.

the RNC gonna foot the bill under the fear and threats from MAGA hatters

thats whats so crazy as well, amongst other things: its got to the point where MAGA cant doesnt bother pretending that he's a useful means to an end, like they use to claim. it's just straight up Hero worship now.

Maybe they need a bail out? From 2 weeks ago

According to its latest filing with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), the RNC has $8 million cash on hand, the party's lowest fundraising year since 2013.

oh crap, they really are broke, from a campaign perspective.

well, MAGA better start working extra shifts in order to help their favorite billionaire pay his bills.

jc

So, Trump can't do business in NY (or NYC??? idk) for 3 years while on probation. What happens to his existing businesses?

for now, nothing. a few months ago, Trump was ordered to relinquish his businesses in NY, but the recent ruling rescinded that order until a review is completed.

You are correct that the interest rates on those penalties "used to be 9%." They were reduced to 2% as of 2022. At least trump didn't have to fraudulently inflate his wealth to get a break on the interest rates....this time.

Too big to fail?

From my understanding of the situation it will be the court appointed monitor that will be overseeing any major decisions for trump's business in New York....

Instead, the final ruling calls for the Trump Organization to be run essentially by an independent monitor, who was court appointed in 2022, and a new independent compliance director.

The ruling extended the monitor’s role “for no less than three years.”

That new governance structure is the reason Judge Engoron cited for not cancelling the Trumps’ business certificates. “(A)s going forward there will be two-tiered oversight, (by) an Independent Monitor and an Independent Director of Compliance, of the major activities that could lead to fraud, cancellation of the business licenses is no longer necessary,” he wrote in the ruling.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/17/economy/donald-trump-trial-ruling-business/index.html

It's not his business that can't carry on in new York. It's that neither him, Don Jr. nor Eric can be involved in the business.

Barbara Jones-Former organized crime/corruption prosecutor and former judge for the Southern District is now running the business.

Thanks guys.

MAGA Fans Slammed For Launching GoFundMe To Help Billionaire Donald Trump Pay $355M Fine
Favour Adegoke
Sat, February 17, 2024 at 2:15 PM EST·4 min read



Donald Trump's supporters are trying to raise money to help the former president offset the $355 million fine after being found guilty in the New York civil fraud trial.

A GoFundMe page was started on the billionaire mogul's behalf shortly after the court imposed the fine on him for fraudulently inflating the value of his assets in financial documents.

It has since garnered the ire of social media users, with many saying Trump is already a billionaire and doesn't need the funds.

Over $63,000 Was Raised Within 21 Hours Of Its Creation




Months after the New York Attorney General's office filed a suit against Donald Trump for fraudulently inflating his assets in financial documents, the billionaire mogul has been found guilty by the court.

The verdict came on Friday, with the judge in charge of the case, Justice Engoron, ordering that Trump and his companies pay a massive $354,868,768 fine, as recommended by Attorney General Letitia James.

While Trump has expressed his intention to appeal the decision, his supporters have taken matters into their own hands by donating to a GoFundMe to offset the fine. The page, entitled "Stand with Trump; Fund the $335M Unjust Judgment," had raised over $63,000 from more than 1700 donors within 21 hours of its creation.

Some of the donations ranged in smaller values between $5 and $100, while some individuals went the extra mile by donating above $1000.

The Ex-President's Supporter Says GoFundMe Is 'More Than A Legal Fund'




The GoFundMe page was launched by Elena Cardone, the wife of real estate investor Grant Cardone. As part of the donation call to action, Elena stated that the fund's main purpose is to show loyalty to Trump and, by extension, other MAGA supporters.

"This is more than a legal fund; it's a clarion call to all patriots to rally in defense of a man who has never hesitated to stand in defense of us," she penned.

She added, "It's about showing that when one of us is targeted for championing the values that make America great, he does not stand alone. We stand with him, shoulder to shoulder, ready to support, defend, and fight back against a system that threatens to undermine the very foundations of our republic."

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Meanwhile, Elena's husband took to X, formerly Twitter, to slam the "unjust" judgment and ask people to donate to the fund.

"Give something & DEMONSTRATE that the people of America are standing together against unjust rulings like this where a bias [sic] judges & corrupt legal system is out of control," he wrote.

He added, "Any amount is welcomed & 100% of funds will be forwarded to Trump Org for his defense of this ridiculous judgment. If this ruling stands, everything you own is at risk."

Social Media Users Slam Donald Trump's GoFundMe




On social media, several users slammed the fundraising gesture, saying that it violated the rules of GoFundMe.

"I am pretty sure @gofundme has a few rules about raising funds to pay criminal fines. What say you @gofundme," said one user.

"This is a clear violation of @gofundme TOS. I give it 24 hours, and they'll suspend it," another individual remarked.

Several other users noted that the Trump family is made up of billionaires who should be the ones raising the funds.

An individual remarked, "His daughter and son-in-law have 2 billion. Let them bail him out."

Another person said, "What balls. He's a billionaire with a freaking private 747 jet. He can liquidate some assets. Stop trying to make people living paycheck to paycheck to pay his bills."

One more user wrote, "Since Trump said Mar-a-lago is worth $1.5 billion, he should sell that, pay off the fines, and pocket the difference. It's a clown move to GoFundMe for a guy who claims he's a billionaire."




https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/maga-fans-slammed-launching-gofundme-191558092.html

Looks like about 4000 people (so far) are going to end up in jail on a turn signal violation. I'd refrain from using my real name on that GoFundMe.

At $180,000 now.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement

Meanwhile congress is spending its time investigating everyone who has a D by their name on the ballot.

Looks like the money isn't going to go to trump

From the gofundme T&C page under prohibited conduct item #9

Without limiting the foregoing, you agree and represent, warrant and covenant:

A. not to use the Services to raise funds or establish or contribute to any Fundraiser with the implicit or explicit purpose of promoting or involving:

9. the legal defense of alleged financial and violent crimes;

WHOOPS

Like I said. It; the same few people dominating forum with endless replies.

Ask yourself, was he wrong?

I wanna see the MAGAs wearing the sneakers

That doesn't matter. When you don't have a legitimate point blame the other side.

Bet they fall apart in the heat of reality…

NY AG says she may seize Trump assets if he doesn’t pay $355 million fine

New York Attorney General Letitia James (D) is prepared to seize former President Trump’s assets if he does not pay the nearly $355 million verdict levied against him in a civil business fraud trial last week, she told ABC News on Tuesday.

“If he does not have funds to pay off the judgment, then we will seek judgment enforcement mechanisms in court, and we will ask the judge to seize his assets,” she told ABC News.

The $355 million verdict and additional $100 million in prejudgment interest handed down Friday are the largest financial penalty levied against Trump and his companies amid his various legal cases. Legal experts have speculated that the massive penalty could require Trump to sell some of his real estate empire.

Trump’s attorneys have vowed to appeal the case, accusing Judge Arthur Engoron of judicial malpractice and labeling the case politically motivated. Trump attorney Alina Habba called the verdict “manifest injustice” and the culmination of a “multi-year, politically fueled witch hunt that was designed to ‘take down Donald Trump.’”

James said she is confident that she will succeed in appeal, and listed Trump’s 40 Wall Street tower by name as one asset that could be taken.

“We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers, and yes, I look at 40 Wall Street each and every day,” she said.

Trump and his company were found liable for business fraud, specifically manipulating the value of assets in order to garner favorable insurance rates and loan terms. The verdict also bans Trump from working in New York real estate for three years.

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...ssets-if-he-doesnt-pay-355-million-fine/

Why do they continue to persecute this innocent man.

Judge in Trump fraud case denies request to pause $354 million judgment

The judge who ordered former President Donald Trump to pay $354 million in fines, and nearly $100 million in interest, in his civil fraud case in New York denied a request from Trump's lawyers to delay formalizing his decision.

In an email to Trump's legal team and lawyers from the New York Attorney General's Office on Thursday, Judge Arthur Engoron of the New York State Supreme Court said he would sign a judgment proposed by the state that finalizes his ruling.

"You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay," he wrote, addressing Trump attorney Clifford Robert. "I am confident that the Appellate Division will protect your appellate rights."

Last Friday, Engoron ruled that Trump and the Trump Organization must pay a total of $453.5 million in fines and interest for orchestrating a decade-long scheme to inflate the value of assets to obtain more favorable loan and insurance terms.

He barred them from seeking loans from financial institutions in New York for three years, and said an independent monitor would oversee the company for the same amount of time. Trump is also banned from serving as an officer or director of any New York corporation for three years. The decision included a variety of fines and sanctions for several other defendants, including Trump's two eldest sons.

Trump has vowed to appeal the ruling, and has harshly criticized Engoron and New York Attorney General Letitia James, alleging they pursued the civil case for political reasons.

On Tuesday, the attorney general's office proposed a judgment that laid out the penalties included in Engoron's order. Robert, Trump's attorney, objected to the proposal, writing in a letter to Engoron that it was an "improper, unilateral submission" that "fails to provide any notice whatsoever, thereby depriving Defendants of the opportunity to be heard before judgment is entered."

Trump's lawyers asked Engoron on Wednesday to postpone enforcement of the judgment for 30 days, arguing in a separate letter that the delay would "allow for an orderly post-Judgment process, particularly given the magnitude of Judgment."

Engoron replied over email that the proposed judgment "accurately reflects the spirit and letter of the February 16 Decision and Order," and said he "intend[s] to sign the proposed judgment this morning and to send it to the Clerk for further processing."

Robert made one final plea Thursday morning, saying "there is no exigency or potential prejudice to the attorney general from a brief stay of enforcement of the Judgment," while the "prejudice to the defendants is considerable."

The judge said Trump's attorney had "failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay," denying his request to pause enforcement of his ruling.

In order to appeal the judge's decision, Trump would need to post a bond covering the $354 million in penalties, according to John Coffee, a Columbia University law professor and an expert on corporate governance and white collar crime.

"That will be costly," Coffee told CBS MoneyWatch when the decision came down last week. "Some banks will post the bond for him, for a hefty fee, but they will want security that they can liquidate easily, and that may require some sale of some of his assets."

In an interview earlier this week, James told ABC News that if Trump does not have the funds to pay the $354 million penalty, she is prepared to ask a judge to "seize his assets."

"We are prepared to make sure that the judgment is paid to New Yorkers," James said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-...gml2HeZ895SfMIi5bGOcXM49aE2JjJhkQy1HjVrM

A judge gave Trump 30 days to pay the $454 million civil fraud judgment. He'll owe an additional $112,000 in interest each day he doesn't.

The countdown has officially begun for Donald Trump.

Judge Arthur Engoron, overseeing the former president's civil fraud trial, finalized his judgment in the case Friday evening, per court records — meaning Trump now has 30 days to fork over the $454 million in fines or secure a bond for the total amount, the Associated Press reported.

The amount includes a $354 million penalty plus nearly $100 million in pre-judgment interest.

A spokesperson for Attorney General Letitia James confirmed to the AP that Trump will begin accruing interest of $111,984 per day.

Per the AP, this interest amount considers both the penalty and the pre-judgment interest — not just the penalty — meaning Trump will owe more interest than the $87,502 per day previously thought.

On Thursday, Engoron rejected Trump's lawyers' attempts to delay the start of the penalty

The finalized ruling also means that Trump has 30 days to appeal the verdict, per New York law.

On February 16, the legal battle between James and Trump in Engoron's Manhattan courtroom came to an end after the New York City judge spelled out the penalties that Trump, two of his sons, and his former Trump Organization CFO Allen Weisselberg would pay for years of "inflating asset values to make more money."

"The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a mortal sin," Engoron, who previously doled out a pre-trial ruling in September that found Trump committed fraud for years, said in his February verdict.

Engoron continued: "Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint. Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of their ways."

Trump and his lawyers, who spent months defending the value of the former president's businesses, called the verdict a "gross miscarriage of justice."

Trump lawyer Christopher Kise said he is preparing to appeal, per a statement to Newsweek.

"The case raises serious legal and constitutional questions regarding 'fraud' claims/findings without any actual fraud," Kise told the publication.

Representatives for James and Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment from Business Insider.

https://www.businessinsider.com/jud...-interest-in-454-million-judgment-2024-2

Sounds like he’s already running on financial fumes and even the dupe contributions are finally dropping off. Hell, he’s been operatinng on political donations for about a year, dedicating every cent to keeping himself out of jail long enough to have a chance. The SCOTUS should just confirm his disqualification already and put MAGA out of it’s misery.

That’s exactly why Maga GOPers want Nikki to quit. They need her contributions.