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The verdict was just released in NY Civil Fraud trial and it is big-like 350 million


https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fb...CJKA2EOIiTRatUAYz6FyeA==&system=prod

trump has run up quite a tab.

trump university fraud - guilty $25m

trump sexual assault and defamation - guilty $84m

trump fraud NY fraud case - guilty $355m (little donnie and eric $4 m each)

mmm $472m

Now the felony cases are coming. Run donnie run.

Trump's poll numbers:

Not really. Another mindless and untruthful meme.

Fixed.

I thought the polls were rigged? now they're legit, huh?

Doesn't change guilt.

Lol

A few years back they called and asked if they could count on my support for Sherrod Brown. I said I would likely vote for him.

So... they called back a few days later. "Can we count on your support?" "Of course"

Few days later: "I've known Sherrod since grade school, he'll always have my vote"

Following week: "Sherrod is a dear family member, I'm out campaigning for him as we speak!"


When they ask for any personal information I tell them I'm fat, black, gay, and my dad's Liberace.

So yeah, no, I don't lend much credence to any polls.



P.S... Trumps poll numbers will go up after this.

Except he wasn't found guilty of anything.

MAGAts won’t acknowledge that Trump is proven to have committed massive and continuous business fraud for decades. He’s now been found guilty of lying about the election theft, business fraud, sexual assault, and generally being a douchebag. They know he’s a traitorous cancer and still support him. Don’t waste your time with the meme-boy troll. He’s just the latest to have his cheese slide completely of his cracker.

Really?

So paying $472 m is a sign of innocence?

Civil is payment which sure means he was liable.

Guilty in criminal cases is right around the corner. 91 criminal indictments seems like a pattern there.

He is above the law no doubt.

No doubt it will be appealed. He may still have to pay, but it won't be that.

Seems funny how everybody who is against Biden or his kid end up being tied up in court and charged with crimes.

Seems suspicious to me....but that is my opinion. I know there is a dedicated posse who feel otherwise.

I don't read all the stuff in here because of the posse, but what about that doofus Atlanta prosecutor and DA? What a friggen joke that is.

His attorney already said he'd appeal it. I'm not sure exactly how it works but my understanding is in order to appeal this decision he has to put up cash or a bond or real collateral of some kind that is worth the amount of the judgement..

Given his recent history of losing, I have an issue with who would put up that kinda bond for him.... I'm betting he doesn't have that kinda cash laying around. Hey, maybe he can get his buddy Putin to put up the cash.

I don't see it that way, but of course, I'm not a Trumper.

What did the those opposing Fani Willis prove this week?

You had a former friend of hers who had a falling out with her saying she's known Wade since 2019 and that's when they started dating. She denies that, Wade Denies that and witnesses have stated otherwise. So again I ask, what have the proven.

As for those who are against Biden and his son, Well, when you attempt to take down someone, it helps if you have actual proof of wrong doing. I thought they had some with the Smirnof guy but it turns out he lied to the FBI and is in Custody.

So, again, you say it's just your opinion, but what is that based on,,

“Seems funny how everybody who is against Biden or his kid end up being tied up in court and charged with crimes.“

Only the ones that lie to the FBI.

“what about that doofus Atlanta prosecutor and DA? What a friggen joke that is.”

Yeah Goper’s all up in people’s sex lives again, like they’re making big bucks dating each other, while the maga bunch threaten them with death. pffft Gopers. Besides they aren’t the ones on trial. Your boy Donny is.

trump sees justice as an act of persecution by his enemies.

So tired of winning, , , ,

Ah the technicality to make it sound better than it is. He certainly didn't receive a 355 million dollar judgement against him because he was guilty of nothing.

Shady, unscrupulous people hang out with shady, unscrupulous people. Birds of a feather 101. I'm sure someone taught you that growing up. And it's quite common for people not to read, or block out things they don't want to hear. There's a lot of that going around.

Attorney's threaten appeals all the time. The only stipulation is you must have grounds for an appeal in order to appeal it. Let's see if his attorneys can find actual grounds for an appeal.

Trump foundation

Trump university

Atlantic City

Stormy Daniels

Carrol

And now this. Never mind all the other crap with him not paying contractors and such.

But it doesn’t matter what this guy does, the glazing conservative men give Trump no matter what kinds BS he’s involved in needs to be studied. The pathetic lows yall will go to in order to defend this clown is mind boggling.

Too bad the threshold for an appeal nowadays has been lowered to snake belly height.

Why would one want immunity if one has never broken a law?

Please don't forget all the MAGA women who support him - he who has been married three times (can't find his current wife), pays hookers and porn stars, claims you can grab them anywhere and get away with it, man who allegedly rapes woman in department store----- HE IS THEIR HERO and LEADER---- WOW.

Yeah but Hunter Biden!

my understanding of the judgement yesterday-
trump was hit for 3 different monetary judgements-
one from 2019, one from 2022 and one from 2023.
In NY, the ruling of 355 million does not include the interest on the penalty-NY interest rate on this is 9%. The interest on the ruling kicks it up to like 425 to 435 million.

Id he wants to appeal-he has to put all of the cash in an escrow or a bond. All of it including interest.
If he wants a bond, he needs to put up the total cost plus 20%-that would be over 500 million. I also believe that it still collects interest while the appeal goes on.

And my biggest problem with this is he can't get a loan for this from an bank registered in NY state. He is going to be looking at MBS or Putin or China for the money-and what is their terms going to be

From page 87 of the ruling-

Refusal to Admit Error
The English poet Alexander Pope (1688-1744) first declared, “To err is human, to forgive is
divine.” Defendants apparently are of a different mind. After some four years of investigation
and litigation, the only error (“inadvertent,” of course) that they acknowledge is the tripling of
the size of the Trump Tower Penthouse, which cannot be gainsaid. Their complete lack of
contrition and remorse borders on pathological. They are accused only of inflating asset values
to make more money. The documents prove this over and over again. This is a venial sin, not a
mortal sin. Defendants did not commit murder or arson. They did not rob a bank at gunpoint.
Donald Trump is not Bernard Madoff. Yet, defendants are incapable of admitting the error of
their ways. Instead, they adopt a “See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” posture that the
evidence belies.
This Court is not constituted to judge morality; it is constituted to find facts and apply the law.
In this particular case, in applying the law to the facts, the Court intends to protect the integrity
of the financial marketplace and, thus, the public as a whole. Defendants’ refusal to admit
error—indeed, to continue it, according to the Independent Monitor—constrains this Court to
conclude that they will engage in it going forward unless judicially restrained.
Indeed, Donald Trump testified that, even today, he does not believe the Trump Organization
needed to make any changes based on the facts that came out during this trial.

the RNC gonna foot the bill under the fear and threats from MAGA hatters

thats whats so crazy as well, amongst other things: its got to the point where MAGA cant doesnt bother pretending that he's a useful means to an end, like they use to claim. it's just straight up Hero worship now.

Maybe they need a bail out? From 2 weeks ago

According to its latest filing with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), the RNC has $8 million cash on hand, the party's lowest fundraising year since 2013.

oh crap, they really are broke, from a campaign perspective.

well, MAGA better start working extra shifts in order to help their favorite billionaire pay his bills.

jc

So, Trump can't do business in NY (or NYC??? idk) for 3 years while on probation. What happens to his existing businesses?

for now, nothing. a few months ago, Trump was ordered to relinquish his businesses in NY, but the recent ruling rescinded that order until a review is completed.

You are correct that the interest rates on those penalties "used to be 9%." They were reduced to 2% as of 2022. At least trump didn't have to fraudulently inflate his wealth to get a break on the interest rates....this time.

Too big to fail?

From my understanding of the situation it will be the court appointed monitor that will be overseeing any major decisions for trump's business in New York....

Instead, the final ruling calls for the Trump Organization to be run essentially by an independent monitor, who was court appointed in 2022, and a new independent compliance director.

The ruling extended the monitor’s role “for no less than three years.”

That new governance structure is the reason Judge Engoron cited for not cancelling the Trumps’ business certificates. “(A)s going forward there will be two-tiered oversight, (by) an Independent Monitor and an Independent Director of Compliance, of the major activities that could lead to fraud, cancellation of the business licenses is no longer necessary,” he wrote in the ruling.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/17/economy/donald-trump-trial-ruling-business/index.html

It's not his business that can't carry on in new York. It's that neither him, Don Jr. nor Eric can be involved in the business.

Barbara Jones-Former organized crime/corruption prosecutor and former judge for the Southern District is now running the business.

Thanks guys.