DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Haslems Buy 176 Acre Property In Brookpark

I want it downtown as well. It needs to be a dome if you want big time. If rinky dink is what is wanted, we have that. A dome gives you the opportunity to go after BIG events and allows you the chance to use it year round. It's stupid for the city and team to go after another half ass stadium, but I understand some people don't think big. It is what it is.

And to add....it makes sense for Haslam to move to his property.

We know about the Browns, but somewhere he has a Haslam land company or some such corporation.

The Browns pay rent to play in the current stadium. He might as well have the Browns Inc. pay rent to his land company Inc.

The beauty of having a ton of money. As they say, money makes money.

I know where you are talking. I usually stay at the Weston when we play night games. Perfect location and you don't have to drive out of town at 11PM or later. It was Crown Plaza before Marriott took the property. It was closed for 2-3 years before Marriott took the property.

My .02 is that moving the stadium out of downtown Cleveland would be devastating to the city and its hopes to further revitalize. Cleveland is a football town and good or bad the team is near and dear the heart of the city. Psychologically and economically it would be very very bad for a city trying to get some investment and development momentum. The city needs to get the push on and make something happen.

That said, as a business and property investor myself (small time I promise you) I’m always hesitant about the city of Cleveland. I’ve had the opportunity a handful of times to do things, invest in or buy things in the city and it’s the city itself, the way it’s run and it’s seeming crippling inertia that always gives me pause. The view from the outside is a city mired in decades and decades of beurocratic quicksand. And they sometimes (not so rarely) make head scratching “committee” decisions to shoot themselves squarely in the face. I don’t want to turn this into a rag on the city but 17 iterations of lakefront plans!?!?… come on now. At some point leadership has to be able to get the freakin’ ball over the goal line. If you can’t, you have to start looking at what (or who) is systematically wrong with the city. Maybe that time has already long since come. I frankly wouldn’t have much faith either if I were the haslams!

And I wouldn’t put much stock in the Haslams declarations of allegiance to NE ohio. If things go sideways badly enough and another midsize city starts seriously batting eyes and showing cleavage, the haslams are billionaires, they’re gonna do what’s right for them, full stop. I’m not saying all billionaires are alike and I haven’t met many but do actually know a few and if one thing holds true across the board, they have allegiance only to themselves and their people. Being absolutely singular in purpose is largely how they get to where they are and stay there. Promises and contracts are meant to be broken if they can be and if the grass is truly greener on the other side. They’re perfectly ok to take the public relations black eye for a few years. So yea, brook park, Toronto, Austin, whatever.

Get your together Cleveland

Funny you say that. I think that is how many commissioners sit on the city commission along with the mayor. It's hard to get anything done when you have that many people trying to find solution to an issue.

I find it hard to think the city can't cobble up enough space for a stadium somewhere downtown. I think they could make the space on the bluff above the muni lot. Both the TV3 broadcast station and FBI could easily be moved. After that it is blocks of rundown buildings with only a handful of small businesses that would have to be relocated.

They're not moving all that stuff to build a stadium. They're either rebuilding on the same site or renovating on the same site. The Browns will play somewhere else (probably Canton) during that time. They can't even put their heads together to build a pedestrian bridge, now they're gonna relocate TV stations, businesses and the FBI?

Just my .02.. one of my friends recently went to a concert in at the Raiders Stadium in Vegas. He said that it is amazing how easily he was able to get in/out the parking lot. Pretty much said that everything about indicated how well-planned and intelligent of a design for the building and overall property itself. As for Browns games, I know several people who won’t go because traffic is horrible getting out of that place. I think that the stadium actually looks good and is in good shape so I don’t see the need to change it. However, if they build in Brookpark, I hope that they take a page out of Vegas plans.

Just think of all the extracurricular activities this location would offer:

😂

Couple that with beer and booze and we’d put Bills mafia to shame,

The parking at Allegiant stadium is inadequate and atrocious. The stadium was planned for people to walk/ride share over from the strip. If you’re doing that it’s not bad.

THAT is a blast. Just get your butt in the water before that bird takes off. You'll only stand on the beach for it once.

I could watch planes land there all day though.

There is a much cooler bar, with a much better beach, right around the corner. Planes don't land on your face there, but still pretty up close and personal. Maybe my favorite place in the world.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but the property in Brookpark might not be a viable option due to FAA and their rules, together with the League rules on aircraft flying over their stadiums during games.

I'm pretty sure Bibb would be forcefully removed from office if he lets the Browns leave downtown.

I think it would be a great idea. Now, I know I don't live in Cleveland, but developing that area would be a benefit for a lot of people in the area. There are many Stadiums next to airports, I don
t think that is a problem. Building one of these new style stadiums would open the doors to the area to host many big events. I understand the nostalgia of having the stadium on the waterfront, but in the long run I believe it would be a great move. If you ever wanted a Superbowl in Cleveland, this would probably guarantee it. Think of the major musical tours that could be lured to perform there. I don't see any downfall to this idea. More space, a better environment to watch the games, and the entertainment potential would be huge.

I definitely know nothing of FAA rules, so I can't speak to that.

However, it seems that flying over a stadium on that site would be a near impossibility given the trajectory of the runways.

I’ll ask him to go into detail the next time that I speak with him. He stayed at an Airbnb while there so presumably he didn’t stay on the strip. I’ll do some digging.

Can't fly under 3,000 within 3 nautical miles of a stadium while an event is going on.

It's on google maps, definitely official.

Well, there must be exceptions or other language concerning flight path... Allegiant Stadium is less than 1/2 mile from the airport in Vegas.

Typically, FAA will put up a temporary flight restriction(TFR) with the restriction noted above(or more). I think Vegas went out to 10 nM for the Super Bowl. However, ATC can authorize a plane into the restricted area. Arrival/departures are typically allowed.

From FAA:

Full FAA text if you want to make your eyes bleed


As far as Brookpark location goes, I don't think this would impact air traffic into or out of Hopkins during game day.

Wow, you're not kidding about making my eyes bleed... yikes. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting lol.

I figured the exceptions would be for arrivals and departures. I would guess most language would be a directive to ATCs to advise traffic anomalies during event times.

The Haslams aren't stupid. I am sure that all the restrictions associated with the property were researched. I am sure that they wouldn't purchase a property to possibly build a stadium, then find out after the fact they couldn't.

There's no doubt you are correct. That would be one of the early and most basic things they would do.

This is all beginning to sound sadly familiar.

Simply put, Jimmy Haslam is too smart to be dealing with the unqualified idiots in charge of Cleveland. Jimmy - Take a page out of the Chicago Bears book and take your money and our team elsewhere.

Like I said. He is a man of action. He isn't going to wait around while others fiddlefart around.

Throw a retractable hat on the Stadium on the lake and call it a day.

It's a near impossibility, structurally, that would cost nearly as much as a new stadium. At least, that's what the experts have said.

Not only that, the stadium is on landfill and engineering says the land can't support the extra weight of a roof.

Ahhh. Yes sir, I knew there was something else I was forgetting.

they can drill down to bedrock to support the roof

Maybe. Below that area are vast salt deposits. I am not sure if hitting that would work or if they would have to drill down further, which could be quite a bit further.

How about a nice canvas cover

Saran Wrap so we can get some natural light.

Like Peter, I find that Saran Wrap can be a pain in the ass. Wife can navigate that no problem, I end up tearing it wrong, getting it stuck together and using twice as much - or more - as I needed, just to wrap a sandwich.

Maybe Haslam is looking at building a whole entertainment complex like the Patriots did with Patriot Place. Shopping, restaurants galore, dome stadium and a new state of the art training facility. With the dome (hopefully retractable) or consisting of the field being moved out to maintain a grass field (like Vegas and Arizona), the Browns could build an entire entertainment complex that would be open year-round with the dome in play. It would be a huge draw for Northern Ohio and actually, IMHO, benefit the entire area including Cleveland. Not to mention the opportunity for a Super Bowl, NCAA Final 4, year-round major concerts and/or a major bowl game which Cleveland currently has zero chance of getting.

Maybe it's just me but with proper planning and investment, a new entertainment complex larger than Patriot Place would be a huge financial benefit to the area, including Cleveland.