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https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

Nikki’s take. No wall mentioned.

“Haley blamed the crisis at the border on both Republicans and Democrats, saying it "should have been dealt with a long time ago and it wasn't." She indicated she would stop allowing any immigrants into the country until immigration reform is passed.”

So that leaves US with trump to build the wall he couldn’t build the 1st time.

How much does it cost to build a wall around WHOLE country---and then they'll dig a tunnel.....the problem is opportunity here vs where they come from. A Vermont hunter recently commented on number of Chinese walling thru the woods into our country-- ALL borders are under attack....and it ain't just our country.

Don't give them drivers licenses, free housing, and work....they won't come. Walls ain't the answer.

Since the mighty GOP is sitting on their hands refusing to do anything, because that's what trump told them to do, Biden is considering a move to help. Trump tried the same thing and the SCOTUS stopped him. Because you know, we actually have asylum laws only congress can change. But the GOP refuses to...............

Biden considering new executive action to restrict asylum at the border, sources say

The White House is considering executive action to restrict migrants’ ability to seek asylum at the US-Mexico border if they crossed illegally – a maneuver reminiscent of controversial action from the Donald Trump era and is sure to invite fierce backlash from immigration advocates and progressives.

The handling of the US-Mexico border has dogged President Joe Biden for years as migration across the Western hemisphere reached record levels and resulted in thousands of migrants arriving at the border.

The action being considered at the White House appears to be an extension of some of the toughest measures in the border compromise legislation tanked by Republicans—and another sign of the White House’s efforts to show they’re aggressive on border security ahead of Election Day.

No final decision has been made on the action under consideration, which involves using an authority known as 212f between ports of entry to try to clamp down on unlawful border crossings. An administration official noted that the administration often evaluates actions that could be taken, but they don’t always move forward.

It’s unclear how the proclamation under discussion would be executed and what, if anything, would be different from what was enacted during the Trump administration.

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has been reviewing the proposed executive order to determine whether it could sustain legal challenges, a person briefed on the matter said. But some Justice officials have expressed doubts that proposed changes, aimed at trying to address previous court rulings against the Trump-era order, could survive litigation that is sure to follow any move by the Biden administration to use executive action.

A White House spokesperson did not comment on the actions under consideration.

“The Administration spent months negotiating in good faith to deliver the toughest and fairest bipartisan border security bill in decades because we need Congress to make significant policy reforms and to provide additional funding to secure our border and fix our broken immigration system,” White House spokesperson Angelo Fernández Hernández said in a statement.

“No executive action, no matter how aggressive, can deliver the significant policy reforms and additional resources Congress can provide and that Republicans rejected. We continue to call on Speaker Johnson and House Republicans to pass the bipartisan deal to secure the border,” he added.

Biden suggested earlier this month he would shut down the US-Mexico border if the proposed border legislation had been signed into law – effectively embracing one of the toughest measures included in the package.

“If the bill were law today, it would qualify to be shut down right now while we repair it,” Biden said.

Trump tried to close the US southern border to asylum seekers crossing the border unlawfully while in office, invoking provisions in immigration law, but was blocked by the courts.

In 2018, Trump tried to use 212f, which gives the president broad authority to implement immigration restrictions to restrict border crossings. But ultimately, a federal appeals court ruled that the authority conflicts with asylum law and the 212f authority doesn’t override it.

The case – known as East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Trump – served as an example of why the president is limited in his ability to shut down the border. It’s likely to face legal challenges if the White House were to move forward with it.

“President Biden has broad powers under the immigration statute, but they are not unlimited. Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act allows a president to suspend the entry of noncitizens who are ‘detrimental to the interests of the United States,’ but that doesn’t mean he can just shut the border to everyone,” Stephen Yale-Loehr, an immigration law expert, previously told CNN.

Administration officials, facing dwindling border security funds, have also discussed whether declaring a national emergency could shore up funds, two sources said. The White House supplemental request includes $14 billion in border security but remains stalled in Congress.

The Biden administration has taken other steps to try to tighten asylum at the US-Mexico border. Last year, the administration released a regulation that largely barred migrants who traveled through other countries on their way to the US southern border from applying for asylum in the United States — marking a departure from decades-long protocol.

At the time, administration officials rejected comparisons to the Trump administration, saying that it was not a categorical ban on asylum and emphasizing efforts to expand access to legal pathways to the US.

Migrant apprehensions have dropped by 50% in January, compared to December, according to federal data. Homeland Security officials have attributed the decline to ongoing high-level talks between the US and Mexico, which has doubled down on enforcement, but have cautioned that encounters historically drop in January before ticking up again.

Acting US Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Troy Miller conceded authorities still face hurdles on the border, saying in a statement this month: “We continue to experience serious challenges along our border which surpass the capacity of the immigration system.”

In January, the US Border Patrol reported 124,220 encounters along the US-Mexico border. Notably, there was a significant drop in Venezuelans — nearly 11,600 compared to 57,851 in December. Both the US and Mexico have restarted deportation flights to Venezuela.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/poli...e-southern-border-sources-say/index.html

Biden finally thinking of doing something has nothing to do with TRUMP or SCOTUS. That's an illusion only the most mindless can see.

When he is trying to execute the exact same executive order that trump did and SCOTUS blocked that same order when trump tired to do it, it is most certainly relative. That's not an illusion. It's a side by side comparison. And don't act like you weren't saying "But trump passed executive orders to help so Biden can too." Now that Biden is considering trying to institute a similar executive order that the SCOTUS stopped you cry foul about it? Biden is left with no choice than to try to do something at this point because a do nothing house of representatives are carrying out trump's order to do nothing as long as Biden is president. I'm sorry you find obstruction attractive.

Didn't Biden ignore a SCOTUS ruling to have taxpayers pay off student loans?

Asking for a friend.

Aren't you the one who whines about moving the goal posts? I mean I have seen people move them from side to side sometimes but you just removed the damned things from the stadium!

You said Biden had to obey SCOTUS.

Why did he ignore the court on student loans??

I'll help.

You disobey the court when you're buying votes.

You obey the court when you're buying new voters.

I'm glad you explained what Greg Abbott is doing in Texas.

Still dancing, eh?

Greg Abbott hasn't done anything but dare Joe Biden... and Sleepy couldn't find his sack (for good reason).

Has Texas prevented BP from removing razor wire? Nope, didn't think so.

However, crossings have gone from 5-8,000 per day to under 200. Maybe you should take them some blankets, they can't seem to figure out how to get under that razor wire.


So, answer the question, since that seems to be your whole case Atty Doublespeak...

Why did Sleepy Joe ignore the court on student loans but choose to blame it on border policy??

So Abbott has had that razor wire up since March of 2021. Now suddenly the numbers have been reduced because of it? You do realize he only took over a park, right? Your math seems rather flawed.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?

Refuse to answer the question then?

I'll answer any questions that pertain to the subject matter of this thread. I'm not going to climb down the rabbit hole with you since that's really what you mean.

I think her logic largely centers around not voting for the puppet that reversed every Trump border policy, rolled out the red carpet and opened the border.

Wouldn't have expected you to be part of the "Trump didn't finish the wall!" brigade though.

Running out of excuses then...

Congress
SCOTUS


What do you have left, I mean, besides senility?

Congress is the only one that has the power to change immigration laws. I know you hate seeing the truth when it hits you in the face but trump told them not to pass it. Some of them even said they wouldn't pass it because it may help Biden get reelected. But you wish to dismiss all of that as though they aren't the facts. That's a you problem. I've already shown you that border crossings were already increasing before trump left office. You ignore that too.

Teen suspected in attack on 2 NYPD officers in Times Square arrested again in Queens

ByEyewitness News WABC logo
Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:35PM

NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- A 19-year-old suspected of attacking two police officers in Times Square last month was arrested again after allegedly shoplifting and attacking a loss prevention employee of Macy's in Queens.

Darwin Gomez-Izquiel was taken into custody at the Queens Center Mall around 6:40 p.m. Tuesday.

Police say he was part of a group that stole $600 worth of clothing from the department store and punched the Macy's employee who was trying to stop them. The store employee suffered minor injuries.

Gomez-Izquiel was charged with robbery and petit larceny. The big question now is if a judge will set bail after he is suspected in two serious offenses in less than a month.

He had been arrested previously for his alleged role in the January 27 attack on the officers and was released without bail.

He was allegedly part of the group of seven who kicked and punched the pair of officers, an attack that was caught on their bodycam.

"Those who attack NYC police officers have zero respect for the law. This is EXACTLY what happens when our justice system fails to hold them accountable - they are emboldened to victimize other New Yorkers. He needs to be put back behind bars ... and kept there," the Police Benevolent Association said in a statement.

Earlier in the day Tuesday, a 17-year-old was arrested in the Bronx and was held without bail during a brief arraignment in Lower Manhattan on Wednesday afternoon.

Yarwuin Madris pleaded not guilty to second degree assault charge for his role in the Jan. 27 attack. Prosecutors, who are charging Madris as an adult, questioned the age he gave, saying they believe he may be in his 20s.

Madris was taken into custody in the Bronx in the company of two other suspects -- 21-year-old Wilson Juarez and 19-year-old Kelvin Servita Arocha. Authorities initially believed they were on a bus heading to the California/Mexico border after attacking the officers.

Those two are now being held by law enforcement pending their next court appearance in the officer attack.

"Yesterday the NYPD arrested another individual in the Bronx pursuant to an arrest warrant stemming from our indictment. Wilson Juarez and Kelvin Servita Arocha were in the same apartment when that arrest occurred - contrary to widespread misinformation they had fled New York City on a bus. Five of the individuals charged in this incident are currently in law enforcement custody, and our investigation with the NYPD remains ongoing," a spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said.

The eighth person arrested in the attack was picked up at the Randalls Island migrant shelter. Ulises Bohorquez, 21, is charged with assault on a police officer.

Meanwhile, the only suspect held on bail for attacking the officers- 19-year-old Yohenry Brito -- was able to post his $15,000 bail Tuesday and was released. It is believed that Brito's arrest outside the shelter sparked the larger assault.

https://abc7ny.com/officers-attacked-times-square-migrants-arrest/14422784/


Have to add spoilers for what ABC doesn't want you to read... and Pit says has nothing to do with the story:

And the crime rate among illegals is lower than it is with Americans. But hey, "you found a guy".

Did you just call them "illegals"? Finally a little progress lol.


You know what the rate would be if they weren't here? Let me grab my calculator... ZERO.

But I'm glad you can justify illegal scumbags beating down cops, kinda fits the whole narrative on the left so I'm not surprised.

The mythical tie between immigration and crime

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

Actually per capita the crime rate would be higher. Where did anyone justify it? Here's a hint, they didn't. You just have no other defense than to sling mud at the facts. It's your M.O.

I've always called anyone who crosses the border illegally illegals. Try to keep up.

We need a wall around Florida.

so many exotic pets been thriving and becoming invasive species. Cocaine Hippos in Colombia are about to have some real competition on animals taking over a new environment.

The GOPer playbook on this issue is no no no we do nothing until we are in the WH. So we have at least 5 more years of “we do nothing” from them.

Biden has no choice but to take executive action.

"Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals."

Is amateur hour over at 1 or does it go on all day.


Remember the illegal drunk driver that killed a woman and her child a few weeks ago? The story where you said it "didn't matter" that he was illegal, as if disclosing the fact violated his rights? It was his fifth offense, the other four times he was deported.

"Next!"

And can you explain to me what these isolated incidents you keep throwing up like vomit have to do with the fact that our own citizens have a higher crime rate than illegals? Or do you claim that's it's higher when they haven't been convicted and sentenced for anything?

Can I explain it to YOU?

Is that a rhetorical question?

No actually it's not. Isolated incidents are nothing more than that. They don't provide the bigger picture and are nothing but what they are, isolated incidents. It doesn't change the fact that crime rates are higher among both white Americans as well as black Americans. Unless of course you're trying to insinuate people have committed crimes when they have not been convicted of anything. And that's nothing short of making accusations based on race and status in America with nothing factual to support it.

It's not crime rates, it's imprisoned rates.

Can you read??

Really, you as an obvious republican, have no leg to stand on here. Your party in control of Congress refuses to pass anything to help make things better on immigration. Pffft Gopers

I can read. It seems as though you have decided in your mind that people who have not been convicted and imprisoned are criminals before there is due process.

lmao@Pit, he posted an article about how Biden is "thinking" about making an exexutive order to crack down on illegals. Pit swore up an down that Biden can't do anything about border policy and Congress has to fix it. Guess not! And lmao at a senile president trying to "think" about anything. Crap or get off the pot.

And he can't. The same executive order was given by trump and the SCOTUS struck it down. So he can write it and sign it, but asylum laws means it will be overturned yet again. It proves exactly what I've said all along. Only congress can write laws and a president can't arbitrarily change those laws.

Try to keep up next time.

The GOP did pass a border bill in 2023 that went nowhere in the Senate. Democrats blasted it as maga extremism

That one doesn't count!

So you consider bipartisanship a bad thing and only a 100% Republican written bill is the answer? That's not how our government was ever intended to work. But I know that's how you want it to work.

No a 100% written Republican bill doesn't count. This nation wasn't built on the "my way or the highway" method of governing.

FIFY

Even when a Republican explained it to you, you still don't get it. You didn't fix anything but stand for "my way or the highway" government.

There Pit goes again. Putting words in other people’s mouths. Perfect posted something and all I did was correct the record. I didn’t comment one way or the other but that isn’t good enough for Pit. Pit like always has to make things personal with everyone when he feels like it.