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Posted By: EveDawg Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 03:27 AM
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.
Nikki’s take. No wall mentioned.

“Haley blamed the crisis at the border on both Republicans and Democrats, saying it "should have been dealt with a long time ago and it wasn't." She indicated she would stop allowing any immigrants into the country until immigration reform is passed.”

So that leaves US with trump to build the wall he couldn’t build the 1st time. rolleyes
Posted By: hitt Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 02:28 PM
How much does it cost to build a wall around WHOLE country---and then they'll dig a tunnel.....the problem is opportunity here vs where they come from. A Vermont hunter recently commented on number of Chinese walling thru the woods into our country-- ALL borders are under attack....and it ain't just our country.

Don't give them drivers licenses, free housing, and work....they won't come. Walls ain't the answer.
Since the mighty GOP is sitting on their hands refusing to do anything, because that's what trump told them to do, Biden is considering a move to help. Trump tried the same thing and the SCOTUS stopped him. Because you know, we actually have asylum laws only congress can change. But the GOP refuses to...............

Biden considering new executive action to restrict asylum at the border, sources say

The White House is considering executive action to restrict migrants’ ability to seek asylum at the US-Mexico border if they crossed illegally – a maneuver reminiscent of controversial action from the Donald Trump era and is sure to invite fierce backlash from immigration advocates and progressives.

The handling of the US-Mexico border has dogged President Joe Biden for years as migration across the Western hemisphere reached record levels and resulted in thousands of migrants arriving at the border.

The action being considered at the White House appears to be an extension of some of the toughest measures in the border compromise legislation tanked by Republicans—and another sign of the White House’s efforts to show they’re aggressive on border security ahead of Election Day.

No final decision has been made on the action under consideration, which involves using an authority known as 212f between ports of entry to try to clamp down on unlawful border crossings. An administration official noted that the administration often evaluates actions that could be taken, but they don’t always move forward.

It’s unclear how the proclamation under discussion would be executed and what, if anything, would be different from what was enacted during the Trump administration.

The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel has been reviewing the proposed executive order to determine whether it could sustain legal challenges, a person briefed on the matter said. But some Justice officials have expressed doubts that proposed changes, aimed at trying to address previous court rulings against the Trump-era order, could survive litigation that is sure to follow any move by the Biden administration to use executive action.

A White House spokesperson did not comment on the actions under consideration.

“The Administration spent months negotiating in good faith to deliver the toughest and fairest bipartisan border security bill in decades because we need Congress to make significant policy reforms and to provide additional funding to secure our border and fix our broken immigration system,” White House spokesperson Angelo Fernández Hernández said in a statement.

“No executive action, no matter how aggressive, can deliver the significant policy reforms and additional resources Congress can provide and that Republicans rejected. We continue to call on Speaker Johnson and House Republicans to pass the bipartisan deal to secure the border,” he added.

Biden suggested earlier this month he would shut down the US-Mexico border if the proposed border legislation had been signed into law – effectively embracing one of the toughest measures included in the package.

“If the bill were law today, it would qualify to be shut down right now while we repair it,” Biden said.

Trump tried to close the US southern border to asylum seekers crossing the border unlawfully while in office, invoking provisions in immigration law, but was blocked by the courts.

In 2018, Trump tried to use 212f, which gives the president broad authority to implement immigration restrictions to restrict border crossings. But ultimately, a federal appeals court ruled that the authority conflicts with asylum law and the 212f authority doesn’t override it.

The case – known as East Bay Sanctuary Covenant v. Trump – served as an example of why the president is limited in his ability to shut down the border. It’s likely to face legal challenges if the White House were to move forward with it.

“President Biden has broad powers under the immigration statute, but they are not unlimited. Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act allows a president to suspend the entry of noncitizens who are ‘detrimental to the interests of the United States,’ but that doesn’t mean he can just shut the border to everyone,” Stephen Yale-Loehr, an immigration law expert, previously told CNN.

Administration officials, facing dwindling border security funds, have also discussed whether declaring a national emergency could shore up funds, two sources said. The White House supplemental request includes $14 billion in border security but remains stalled in Congress.

The Biden administration has taken other steps to try to tighten asylum at the US-Mexico border. Last year, the administration released a regulation that largely barred migrants who traveled through other countries on their way to the US southern border from applying for asylum in the United States — marking a departure from decades-long protocol.

At the time, administration officials rejected comparisons to the Trump administration, saying that it was not a categorical ban on asylum and emphasizing efforts to expand access to legal pathways to the US.

Migrant apprehensions have dropped by 50% in January, compared to December, according to federal data. Homeland Security officials have attributed the decline to ongoing high-level talks between the US and Mexico, which has doubled down on enforcement, but have cautioned that encounters historically drop in January before ticking up again.

Acting US Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Troy Miller conceded authorities still face hurdles on the border, saying in a statement this month: “We continue to experience serious challenges along our border which surpass the capacity of the immigration system.”

In January, the US Border Patrol reported 124,220 encounters along the US-Mexico border. Notably, there was a significant drop in Venezuelans — nearly 11,600 compared to 57,851 in December. Both the US and Mexico have restarted deportation flights to Venezuela.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/21/poli...e-southern-border-sources-say/index.html
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 03:12 PM
Biden finally thinking of doing something has nothing to do with TRUMP or SCOTUS. That's an illusion only the most mindless can see.
When he is trying to execute the exact same executive order that trump did and SCOTUS blocked that same order when trump tired to do it, it is most certainly relative. That's not an illusion. It's a side by side comparison. And don't act like you weren't saying "But trump passed executive orders to help so Biden can too." Now that Biden is considering trying to institute a similar executive order that the SCOTUS stopped you cry foul about it? Biden is left with no choice than to try to do something at this point because a do nothing house of representatives are carrying out trump's order to do nothing as long as Biden is president. I'm sorry you find obstruction attractive.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 03:47 PM
Didn't Biden ignore a SCOTUS ruling to have taxpayers pay off student loans?

Asking for a friend.
Aren't you the one who whines about moving the goal posts? I mean I have seen people move them from side to side sometimes but you just removed the damned things from the stadium! rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 03:59 PM
You said Biden had to obey SCOTUS.

Why did he ignore the court on student loans??

I'll help.

You disobey the court when you're buying votes.

You obey the court when you're buying new voters.
I'm glad you explained what Greg Abbott is doing in Texas.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:17 PM
Still dancing, eh?

Greg Abbott hasn't done anything but dare Joe Biden... and Sleepy couldn't find his sack (for good reason).

Has Texas prevented BP from removing razor wire? Nope, didn't think so.

However, crossings have gone from 5-8,000 per day to under 200. Maybe you should take them some blankets, they can't seem to figure out how to get under that razor wire.


So, answer the question, since that seems to be your whole case Atty Doublespeak...

Why did Sleepy Joe ignore the court on student loans but choose to blame it on border policy??
So Abbott has had that razor wire up since March of 2021. Now suddenly the numbers have been reduced because of it? You do realize he only took over a park, right? Your math seems rather flawed.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:25 PM
Refuse to answer the question then?
I'll answer any questions that pertain to the subject matter of this thread. I'm not going to climb down the rabbit hole with you since that's really what you mean.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?

I think her logic largely centers around not voting for the puppet that reversed every Trump border policy, rolled out the red carpet and opened the border.

Wouldn't have expected you to be part of the "Trump didn't finish the wall!" brigade though. rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:39 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'll answer any questions that pertain to the subject matter of this thread. I'm not going to climb down the rabbit hole with you since that's really what you mean.

Running out of excuses then...

Congress
SCOTUS


What do you have left, I mean, besides senility?
Congress is the only one that has the power to change immigration laws. I know you hate seeing the truth when it hits you in the face but trump told them not to pass it. Some of them even said they wouldn't pass it because it may help Biden get reelected. But you wish to dismiss all of that as though they aren't the facts. That's a you problem. I've already shown you that border crossings were already increasing before trump left office. You ignore that too.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:46 PM
Teen suspected in attack on 2 NYPD officers in Times Square arrested again in Queens

ByEyewitness News WABC logo
Thursday, February 15, 2024 5:35PM

NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- A 19-year-old suspected of attacking two police officers in Times Square last month was arrested again after allegedly shoplifting and attacking a loss prevention employee of Macy's in Queens.

Darwin Gomez-Izquiel was taken into custody at the Queens Center Mall around 6:40 p.m. Tuesday.

Police say he was part of a group that stole $600 worth of clothing from the department store and punched the Macy's employee who was trying to stop them. The store employee suffered minor injuries.

Gomez-Izquiel was charged with robbery and petit larceny. The big question now is if a judge will set bail after he is suspected in two serious offenses in less than a month.

He had been arrested previously for his alleged role in the January 27 attack on the officers and was released without bail.

He was allegedly part of the group of seven who kicked and punched the pair of officers, an attack that was caught on their bodycam.

"Those who attack NYC police officers have zero respect for the law. This is EXACTLY what happens when our justice system fails to hold them accountable - they are emboldened to victimize other New Yorkers. He needs to be put back behind bars ... and kept there," the Police Benevolent Association said in a statement.

Earlier in the day Tuesday, a 17-year-old was arrested in the Bronx and was held without bail during a brief arraignment in Lower Manhattan on Wednesday afternoon.

Yarwuin Madris pleaded not guilty to second degree assault charge for his role in the Jan. 27 attack. Prosecutors, who are charging Madris as an adult, questioned the age he gave, saying they believe he may be in his 20s.

Madris was taken into custody in the Bronx in the company of two other suspects -- 21-year-old Wilson Juarez and 19-year-old Kelvin Servita Arocha. Authorities initially believed they were on a bus heading to the California/Mexico border after attacking the officers.

Those two are now being held by law enforcement pending their next court appearance in the officer attack.

"Yesterday the NYPD arrested another individual in the Bronx pursuant to an arrest warrant stemming from our indictment. Wilson Juarez and Kelvin Servita Arocha were in the same apartment when that arrest occurred - contrary to widespread misinformation they had fled New York City on a bus. Five of the individuals charged in this incident are currently in law enforcement custody, and our investigation with the NYPD remains ongoing," a spokesperson for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said.

The eighth person arrested in the attack was picked up at the Randalls Island migrant shelter. Ulises Bohorquez, 21, is charged with assault on a police officer.

Meanwhile, the only suspect held on bail for attacking the officers- 19-year-old Yohenry Brito -- was able to post his $15,000 bail Tuesday and was released. It is believed that Brito's arrest outside the shelter sparked the larger assault.

https://abc7ny.com/officers-attacked-times-square-migrants-arrest/14422784/


Have to add spoilers for what ABC doesn't want you to read... and Pit says has nothing to do with the story:

Guess what? He's an illegal immigrant. saywhat
And the crime rate among illegals is lower than it is with Americans. But hey, "you found a guy".
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:52 PM
Did you just call them "illegals"? Finally a little progress lol.


You know what the rate would be if they weren't here? Let me grab my calculator... ZERO.

But I'm glad you can justify illegal scumbags beating down cops, kinda fits the whole narrative on the left so I'm not surprised.
The mythical tie between immigration and crime

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

Actually per capita the crime rate would be higher. Where did anyone justify it? Here's a hint, they didn't. You just have no other defense than to sling mud at the facts. It's your M.O.

I've always called anyone who crosses the border illegally illegals. Try to keep up.
Posted By: Swish Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 04:59 PM
We need a wall around Florida.

so many exotic pets been thriving and becoming invasive species. Cocaine Hippos in Colombia are about to have some real competition on animals taking over a new environment.
The GOPer playbook on this issue is no no no we do nothing until we are in the WH. So we have at least 5 more years of “we do nothing” from them.

Biden has no choice but to take executive action.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 05:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The mythical tie between immigration and crime

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

Actually per capita the crime rate would be higher. Where did anyone justify it? Here's a hint, they didn't. You just have no other defense than to sling mud at the facts. It's your M.O.

I've always called anyone who crosses the border illegally illegals. Try to keep up.


"Research by Stanford’s Ran Abramitzky and co-authors uncovers the most extensive evidence to date that immigrants are less likely to be imprisoned than U.S.-born individuals."

Is amateur hour over at 1 or does it go on all day. rofl


Remember the illegal drunk driver that killed a woman and her child a few weeks ago? The story where you said it "didn't matter" that he was illegal, as if disclosing the fact violated his rights? It was his fifth offense, the other four times he was deported.

"Next!"
And can you explain to me what these isolated incidents you keep throwing up like vomit have to do with the fact that our own citizens have a higher crime rate than illegals? Or do you claim that's it's higher when they haven't been convicted and sentenced for anything?
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 05:31 PM
Can I explain it to YOU?

Is that a rhetorical question? rofl
No actually it's not. Isolated incidents are nothing more than that. They don't provide the bigger picture and are nothing but what they are, isolated incidents. It doesn't change the fact that crime rates are higher among both white Americans as well as black Americans. Unless of course you're trying to insinuate people have committed crimes when they have not been convicted of anything. And that's nothing short of making accusations based on race and status in America with nothing factual to support it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 05:48 PM
It's not crime rates, it's imprisoned rates.

Can you read??
Really, you as an obvious republican, have no leg to stand on here. Your party in control of Congress refuses to pass anything to help make things better on immigration. Pffft Gopers
Originally Posted by FATE
It's not crime rates, it's imprisoned rates.

Can you read??

I can read. It seems as though you have decided in your mind that people who have not been convicted and imprisoned are criminals before there is due process.
lmao@Pit, he posted an article about how Biden is "thinking" about making an exexutive order to crack down on illegals. Pit swore up an down that Biden can't do anything about border policy and Congress has to fix it. Guess not! And lmao at a senile president trying to "think" about anything. Crap or get off the pot.
And he can't. The same executive order was given by trump and the SCOTUS struck it down. So he can write it and sign it, but asylum laws means it will be overturned yet again. It proves exactly what I've said all along. Only congress can write laws and a president can't arbitrarily change those laws.

Try to keep up next time.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 06:11 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Really, you as an obvious republican, have no leg to stand on here. Your party in control of Congress refuses to pass anything to help make things better on immigration. Pffft Gopers

The GOP did pass a border bill in 2023 that went nowhere in the Senate. Democrats blasted it as maga extremism
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 06:14 PM
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Really, you as an obvious republican, have no leg to stand on here. Your party in control of Congress refuses to pass anything to help make things better on immigration. Pffft Gopers

The GOP did pass a border bill in 2023 that went nowhere in the Senate. Democrats blasted it as maga extremism

That one doesn't count!
So you consider bipartisanship a bad thing and only a 100% Republican written bill is the answer? That's not how our government was ever intended to work. But I know that's how you want it to work.
No a 100% written Republican bill doesn't count. This nation wasn't built on the "my way or the highway" method of governing.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 06:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you consider bipartisanship a 5000 person per day turnstile a bad thing and only a 100% Republican written bill is the answer? That's not how our government was ever intended to work. But I know that's how you want it to work.

FIFY
Even when a Republican explained it to you, you still don't get it. You didn't fix anything but stand for "my way or the highway" government.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 06:22 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
So you consider bipartisanship a bad thing and only a 100% Republican written bill is the answer? That's not how our government was ever intended to work. But I know that's how you want it to work.

There Pit goes again. Putting words in other people’s mouths. Perfect posted something and all I did was correct the record. I didn’t comment one way or the other but that isn’t good enough for Pit. Pit like always has to make things personal with everyone when he feels like it.
So was it or was it not written and passed by Republicans? It seems as though you made that bill some talking point. Since you did it is obvious you support immigration policy should be dictated solely by Republicans. If you want to make a point of that bill, there's nothing wrong with me pointing out exactly what that bill was.

It was written by republicans and passed by republicans. Purely a 100% republican bill. If that's not what you support why did you bring it up in the first place?

I'm sorry that hurts your delicate sensibilities.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 06:53 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Even when a Republican explained it to you, you still don't get it. You didn't fix anything but stand for "my way or the highway" government.

What did he explain, Pit?

Let's hear your version of why the turnstile isn't a turnstile. This should be fun.


*"That's not what it means" is not an actual answer. Not from him and not from you.
I've already posted Lankford's explanation plenty of times. You have already seen it before. It isn't "my version". It's actually a Republican's version who was in the negotiations version. which isn't a version at all. It's the facts.

The three main negotiators on the Senate bill — Republican Sen. James Lankford of Oklahoma, Independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Democratic Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut — have all pushed back on criticism of the bill. They emphasize that it would keep more people out instead of allowing more people to come in — and that migrants would not be able to apply for asylum at all if illegal border crossings reach certain numbers.

The policy is similar to one first used by Trump. Known as Title 42, it justified the quick expulsion of migrants from the country in the name of stopping the spread of COVID-19.

Lankford has repeatedly emphasized that the emergency authority “is not designed to let 5,000 people in, it is designed to close the border and turn 5,000 people around.”

After meeting with Republicans in the Capitol Monday evening, Lankford told reporters that people understand it once he explains it, “but it’s been said wrong so many times that people immediately just go back to, ‘this lets 5,000 people in a day,’ which is just factually wrong, but if you say it enough, it just sounds true.”

At the same time, Lankford signaled openness to tweaking the bill as Republicans have lined up against it.

Sinema noted that many of those people are now released into the country under current law. “We are giving tools to this administration and future administrations to actually gain control of the border,” she said.

Murphy posted on X: “This line of attack (the bill “accepts 5,000 illegal immigrants a day”) is just made up bad faith nonsense.”

https://apnews.com/article/border-b...-senate-189ee196093a0dbfb1d522e2d552e31a

I'm quite sure you think you know more about it from reading the company line than the people in the room.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 07:12 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Lankford has repeatedly emphasized that the emergency authority “is not designed to let 5,000 people in, it is designed to close the border and turn 5,000 people around.”

...after you've let the first 5000 in. notallthere

And that is provided Sleepy Joe decides to close the border as the language doesn't say he must, it says he may.


Biden created a border that is a turnstile, this bill was designed to keep it a turnstile... one in which we "count gooder".
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 07:27 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The mythical tie between immigration and crime

https://siepr.stanford.edu/news/mythical-tie-between-immigration-and-crime

Actually per capita the crime rate would be higher. Where did anyone justify it? Here's a hint, they didn't. You just have no other defense than to sling mud at the facts. It's your M.O.

I've always called anyone who crosses the border illegally illegals. Try to keep up.


Here's some mudslinging from the Department of Justice. I realize it's not Ran Abramitzky and his mysterious co-authors from Stanford, but it definitely paints a different picture.

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/icfjs9818.pdf

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And all this BEFORE Biden rolled out the red carpet to millions more!



A 2021 Department of Justice report revealed that 64% of federal arrests in 2018 involved noncitizens, despite them comprising only 7% of the population at that time. While the Biden administration fails to provide continuous updates on illegal alien crime data, Texas’ Department of Public Safety maintains a running database of such incidents. Other states should follow suit.

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal
Once again you have them convicted before due process though I'm not surprised by that.
Oh, the irony.
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Lankford has repeatedly emphasized that the emergency authority “is not designed to let 5,000 people in, it is designed to close the border and turn 5,000 people around.”

...after you've let the first 5000 in. notallthere

And that is provided Sleepy Joe decides to close the border as the language doesn't say he must, it says he may.


Biden created a border that is a turnstile, this bill was designed to keep it a turnstile... one in which we "count gooder".

Biden vows to ‘shut down the border’ if Senate immigration bill is passed

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/27/biden-border-deal-senate

It seems your crystal balls aren't working for you. Maybe they're out of alignment. So now that you can't argue the point you've turned to predictions? Figures.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 07:42 PM
Biden vowed not to fall up stairs yesterday but he still did it.

Biden vowed to answer reporters questions last week, he never showed up.

Biden vowed that he never knew anything about his son's business, over and over and over again.


You want me to believe Biden? I wouldn't need a crystal ball, I'd need a lobotomy.
It sounds as if you've already had one. And so far every witness congress has called except the one who used Russian intel to lie, has supported the fact that Joe Biden had nothing to do with any of their businesses including Hunter's. But you seem more willing to accept and believe proven lies coming from Russian intel. Now post your charts again that do not connect Joe Biden to any of it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 07:47 PM
Absolute FIRE at 7:25. This is how people feel when their kids are forced out of rec centers, when their neighborhoods are invaded, when their politicians have abandoned them but offer the handouts they "couldn't afford" to criminals. Maybe Jessica Jackson should run for mayor, she seems to have enough passion to actually address this disaster.


How many people? What percentage of people in Chicago? Angry people always seem to be the ones that make the most noise. You rarely ever see anyone come to these meetings to give anyone credit for what a good job they're doing. Another nothing burger.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:02 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
How many people? What percentage of people in Chicago? Angry people always seem to be the ones that make the most noise. You rarely ever see anyone come to these meetings to give anyone credit for what a good job they're doing. Another nothing burger.

72% He's actually about to pass Lightfoot, something even Einstein would probably consider an impossibility. That's 576 in this poll alone.

So, extrapolated over the population of Chicago, that would be a 1.98 million person "nothing burger".


https://www.illinoispolicy.org/only-28-of-chicago-voters-approve-of-mayor-brandon-johnson/
New polling shows Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson has a 28% approval rating – as low as one mayor after a national scandal and another who was about to get booted by voters.
So you're trying to tie his approval rating strictly to this one issue? Even your own link disputes that.......

Quote
Johnson’s approval ratings on the issues were lowest regarding crime and public safety, with two of every three voters polled disapproving. He also had majorities unhappy with his handling of housing and homelessness as well as his management of the migrant issue, with thousands facing a Chicago winter in heated tents.

Sounds like you've invented another case of creative math. And part of that disapproval on immigrants, which is FAR below that 72% you pretended it was, is because they're not being housed and are sleeping in non heated tents. At least according to your own source. Yeah, nothing burger.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:21 PM
Yeah, I tried to unclick ignore and include you today, being DEI Thursday and all, but we're at the "jump the shark" portion of your sideshow now.

Even reading some of this just makes me feel sorry for you. We'll try again another day, sport.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:28 PM
#justafewmore

You're not trying to do anything but use isolated incidents as being empirical facts. But since you can't seem to discern fact from fiction let me tell you what I've said about this topic for years now. It's not about whether you're black or white in terms of police brutality. It's whether you live in a poor neighborhood or not. People in power exert that power against the weak. People they believe are powerless to fight back. People who they feel will not be believed or will not be found credible by a jury. People who can not afford to hire a descent lawyer to fight things in court. They prey upon the weak irrespective of color. I'd love to see a study on that.

But I understand why you would decide to ignore someone who can actually counter your BS on a daily basis. It must be quite painful for you.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:38 PM
Looks like Sleepy is getting ready to think about getting ready to think about something. I smell smoke.





Biden facing the surge of his self-fulfilling prophecy be like...


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Its an example of a problem. But keep putting your head in the sand.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:42 PM
Experts warn of national security risks of Chinese migrants


The alternate universe that WE now live in:

"So, what should we do Joe?"
"I dunno, is thewfwe asoaoi to make dprogkp easier?"
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?

I think her logic largely centers around not voting for the puppet that reversed every Trump border policy, rolled out the red carpet and opened the border.

Wouldn't have expected you to be part of the "Trump didn't finish the wall!" brigade though. rofl

Both partied are complicit in our immigration policy still being a mess. This whole wall thing has been a joke from the get go. Even if the wall was built, we've already seen illegal aliens get around similar. The wall was a stupid idea by a stupid man that hitched his campaign to and then never delivered.

The only difference (that I see) between Republicans (specifically Trump) and everyone else is that Trump made it this huge deal and then similarly didn't deliver.
That's a different animal. There are problems and I don't have an issue with pointing out problems. But when you falsely claim that a mayor has a 72% disapproval rating over the immigration issue that's no longer what you're doing. That was simply pushing a false narrative and it happens all the time.
Originally Posted by FATE
Experts warn of national security risks of Chinese migrants


The alternate universe that WE now live in:

"So, what should we do Joe?"
"I dunno, is thewfwe asoaoi to make dprogkp easier?"

Have congress give him the power to close the border. How many times do you need this explained to you?
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 08:49 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?

I think her logic largely centers around not voting for the puppet that reversed every Trump border policy, rolled out the red carpet and opened the border.

Wouldn't have expected you to be part of the "Trump didn't finish the wall!" brigade though. rofl

Both partied are complicit in our immigration policy still being a mess. This whole wall thing has been a joke from the get go. Even if the wall was built, we've already seen illegal aliens get around similar. The wall was a stupid idea by a stupid man that hitched his campaign to and then never delivered.

The only difference (that I see) between Republicans (specifically Trump) and everyone else is that Trump made it this huge deal and then similarly didn't deliver.

So you see NO difference in Biden reversing every Trump policy and the biggest border crisis in the history of Earth ensuing??

#blindedbyfakenews #ignoringtheproblemtoscreamTRUMP
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That's a different animal. There are problems and I don't have an issue with pointing out problems. But when you falsely claim that a mayor has a 72% disapproval rating over the immigration issue that's no longer what you're doing. That was simply pushing a false narrative and it happens all the time.

Who cares if you have a problem with it. Youre wrong and complaining about examples of problems just makes you look obtuse.
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

So by your own logic, since Trump didn't get the wall done when he said he would (and Mexico would pay for it) then you aren't going to vote for him. Right?

I think her logic largely centers around not voting for the puppet that reversed every Trump border policy, rolled out the red carpet and opened the border.

Wouldn't have expected you to be part of the "Trump didn't finish the wall!" brigade though. rofl

Both partied are complicit in our immigration policy still being a mess. This whole wall thing has been a joke from the get go. Even if the wall was built, we've already seen illegal aliens get around similar. The wall was a stupid idea by a stupid man that hitched his campaign to and then never delivered.

The only difference (that I see) between Republicans (specifically Trump) and everyone else is that Trump made it this huge deal and then similarly didn't deliver.

So you see NO difference in Biden reversing every Trump policy and the biggest border crisis in the history of Earth ensuing??

#blindedbyfakenews #ignoringtheproblemtoscreamTRUMP

I don't. He hasn't addressed immigration reform same as the president before him and every one before that. Executive Actions amount to hand waving at a problem. This board, in particular, has been collectively losing its mind over illegal aliens since I joined. My favorite has been each side trying to tie trends in illegal aliens showing up to recent policy shifts... but it always ties back to something else (ex. COVID, economic downturn making the crossing less enticing).

As bad as it is, Biden has stuck to his script (doing nothing about illegals). Trump made it look like it was a priority and still failed to deliver.
And you not being able to tell the difference makes you look obtuse. But I understand how facts get in your way. There's a difference in pointing out the facts when someone makes false claim and having a problem with it. I don't have a problem with it. trump lies every day. The problem with it is if you don't point out the lies people tend to believe them. Even then some people still believe them.

And claiming that the mayor of Chicago has a 72% margin of disapproval based on immigration is a lie. I'm sorry pointing out that fact troubles you so much. Well really I'm not sorry it troubles you but it sounded like a polite thing to say.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 09:13 PM
Here's your "hand waving at a problem".


[Linked Image from u.cubeupload.com]


2017-2020 ~ "failure".

2021-2024 ~ "Sticking to his script and done nothing = winning". thumbsup


And, just curious, since immigration has overtaken inflation as the top voter concern, is that all just "hand waving"?

Or are we all stupid and petty and you're the smart one?
He will only point the finger of America's failure to pass a revision of America's failed immigration laws and problems in one direction. Please don't reasonably expect anything more from him. For decades both parties have kept kicking this can down the road. That's why we are where we are now. But that's a logical way of looking at it and we can't have any of that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/22/24 09:31 PM
How to create an unmitigated disaster in 30 days or less... and then blame it on Congress:

Biden’s Border Crisis Timeline
Actions taken to erode immigration enforcement and border security and Oversight Republicans’ response


January 20, 2021
On his first day in office, President Biden issues an executive order, “Revision of Civil
Immigration Enforcement Policies and Priorities,” (hereinafter the “priorities
memorandum”) revoking an executive order President Trump signed to protect
Americans from dangerous criminal aliens, “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the
United States.” President Trump’s order called for the faithful execution of the
immigration laws against all removable illegal immigrants and instructed the
Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to prioritize the removal of those who have
committed crimes, pose a national security risk, engaged in fraud or willful
misrepresentation before the government, abused welfare programs, and are subject to a
final order of removal. It also instructed the Attorney General to ensure sanctuary
jurisdictions are not eligible to receive federal grants.
President Biden issues a proclamation terminating the national emergency declaration at
the Southern border declared by President Trump and halting construction of the border
wall.
DHS issues a memorandum freezing all immigration removal actions for 100 days unless
the removal concerns an alien who was suspected of terrorism or espionage or otherwise
posed a national security threat, the alien was not physically present in the United States
before November 1, 2020, the alien agreed to waive any right to remain in the United
States, or Immigrations and Custom Enforcement (ICE) made an individualized
determination that the removal is required by law.
President Biden issues a presidential memorandum, “Preserving and Fortifying Deferred
Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA),” instructing the Secretary of Homeland Security and
Attorney General to take actions that “preserve and fortify” DACA.
President Biden’s first legislative proposal would grant amnesty to millions of illegal
immigrants in the U.S. This is widely reported in the news media.
DHS issues a press release announcing it is suspending new enrollments in the Migrant
Protection Protocols (MPP) and will no longer add individuals into the program. MPP
required many aliens encountered by Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to wait in
Mexico during their U.S. immigration court proceedings instead of being released into the
interior of the U.S.

February 2, 2021
President Biden issues an executive order instructing the Secretary of Homeland
Security to rescind MPP. In addition, the order directs the Attorney General and Secretary
of Homeland Security to rescind a series of rules issued by the Trump Administration that
implemented asylum agreements with Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras. Finally, the
order rescinds President Trump’s memorandum seeking to end “catch and release.”
President Biden issues another executive order directing the Attorney General and DHS
Secretary to identify and rescind barriers impeding access to immigration benefits or the
naturalization process. This review specifically considers President Trump’s public charge
rule, which sought to prevent aliens who are likely to receive one or more public benefits
from obtaining green cards.
DHS releases a statement, “Equal Access to COVID-19 Vaccines and Vaccine Distribution
Sites,” which calls for equal access to the COVID vaccine for illegal immigrants, and
encourages all individuals, regardless of immigration status, to receive the COVID vaccine.

February 4, 2021
President Biden issues an executive order rescinding Trump Administration reforms to
the Refugee Admissions Program. The order rescinds multiple directives signed by
President Trump providing for enhanced vetting of refugees and giving state and local
governments a say in the refugee resettlement process. In addition, the order directs the
DHS Secretary, Secretary of State, and the Attorney General to expand refugee
adjudication capacity.
House Committee on Oversight and Reform Republicans send a letter to DHS
Secretary Mayorkas requesting all documents and communications related to
President Joe Biden’s unilateral decision to halt construction of the southern border
wall. DHS has not responded.

February 11, 2021
DHS announces beginning on February 19, it will begin processing approximately 25,000
individuals who were enrolled in MPP for entry into the United States.

February 17, 2021
House Committee on Oversight and Reform Republicans send a letter to Acting ICE
Director Johnson requesting any final guidance relating to the implementation of the
January 20th priorities memorandum; all documents related to how ICE plans to
prevent recidivism by removeable aliens in the U.S. who have been arrested, but are
not considered deportation priorities; and all statistics regarding the number of aliens
deemed removable from the U.S. encountered by ICE since 2017 who have gang
tattoos or who have been identified as a member of or an affiliate of a criminal gang.
ICE has not responded.

February 18, 2021
ICE issues a memorandum reiterating the January 20th DHS priorities memorandum
that limited the ability of ICE to enforce the law. Under the memorandum, unless an
illegal immigrant is a national security threat, was not physically present in the United
States before November 1, 2020, or has been convicted of an aggravate felony and
released after January 20, 2021, an ICE officer must stand down or must seek pre-approval
of any enforcement action before it can be carried out.
This policy greatly curtails interior immigration enforcement capabilities, including for
aliens who have committed serious criminal offenses. ICE interior enforcement book-ins
to custody fell 62 percent from January to February.

February 19, 2021
DHS announces 25 individuals previously enrolled in MPP were processed at the San
Ysidro Port of Entry and released into the United States. This group is the first of
thousands of MPP-enrolled individuals who will be permitted to enter the United States
instead of waiting in Mexico for adjudication of their claims.
House Committee on Oversight and Reform Republicans send a letter to DHS
Secretary Mayorkas on the impending health crisis at the border and the
administration’s plan to mitigate President Biden’s border crisis. The Republicans
request the Biden Administration’s plan to: reduce illegal border crossings by
unaccompanied alien children (UAC) and family units, prevent the spread of COVID-19
in facilities along the southern border, increase bedspace capacity at Family
Residential Centers to ensure family units are held in custody, expedite immigration
proceedings for UAC and family units that cross the border illegally, and address the
crisis with the Mexican government. DHS has not responded.



Sleepy: "There's nothing more I can do."
I noticed you provided no link for this one sided political hit piece. Figures.
Why are you so worked up over me saying that nobody has fixed the problem? Biden hasn't. Trump didn't before. So on and so forth. That egregious-looking graph you posted is a product of Biden canceling Trump's EA's, the country coming out of COVID, and immigration reform still not being resolved. In my opinion, every single president has a hand in that. Also, you need to go back and read my post. I never said Biden was "winning". Read slower if that helps.

I see the inflation problem differently. For starters, the Fed is the one that controls interest rates, not the Executive. Biden decided to keep the spigot of free money open probably longer than he should have coming out of COVID shutdowns, which is why inflation got outta control there for a while and interest rates weren't able to correct right away.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://nypost.com/2024/02/21/us-ne...tion-of-36-states/?utm_source=reddit.com

7.2 MILLION ILLEGALS have entered the country on Biden's watch. Thats greater than the population of 36 states.

Why don't you tell your republicans in the House to get up off their butts and sign the bill that the Senate approved. THE MOST DO NOTHING House in history.
Some dupes act like it’s not the GOPers under Trump’s thumb keeping border progress from happening. No they ostrich out and regurgitate a 2016 Trump campaign promise (broken, of course), a previously debated and debunked non-viable solution for boarder security. One can only guess that their motive for this brain dead behavior is either a form of metal disability, a detachment from reality, cult partisanship, or shear stubborn media reinforced willful ignorance. GOPer’s continually deliver nothing substantial, and run around our government spitefully trifling. And giving the cult ‘idiot walking orders’ to go spread propaganda and cover for all of dear leaders horrendous and traitorous behavior as well as criminal activity. Dude is a deranged career crook, and the hooples love him for it. Murica.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/23/24 01:53 PM
In the multidimensional realm of Trump cosmic cheese factories, time-traveling teacups engage in interpretative Trump dance-offs with quantum quasars, all while exchanging existential poetry with self-aware Trump disco balls that moonlight as intergalactic philosophers. Amidst the kaleidoscopic symphony of spaghetti-flavored Trump rainbows, ethereal sasquatches debate the implications of interstellar cheese gradients on the emotional intelligence of Trump parallel-universe penguins. Meanwhile, acrobatic tumbleweeds perform synchronized Trump somersaults, narrating the epic saga of rebellious paperclips leading a peaceful revolution against oppressive rubber ducks. Trump.
More word vomit.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/24/24 01:49 AM
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/24/24 02:02 AM
Gotta go to the UK or Fox to get all the particulars, and well, I don't want anyone to call this fake, so UK it is.

Jose Antonio Ibarra is an illegal alien from Venezuela. He's charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a 911 call, and concealing the death of another in the death of 22-year-old Laken Hope Riley, according to UGA police Chief Jeffrey Clark. MSM are not reporting these facts #doesntfitthenarrative

RIP Laken, your future was so bright.


Suspect named and charged with murder of Laken Riley on University of Georgia campus
Laken Riley went for a jog on Thursday on the University of Georgia campus and never returned


Andrea Cavallier
Evening Headlines


A suspect has been charged with murder in the death of an Augusta University College of Nursing student whose body was found on the University of Georgia campus.

Jose Antonio Ibarra, 26, who is not a US citizen, has been charged with malice murder, felony murder, false imprisonment, kidnapping and other charges in the murder of 22-year-old Laken Riley, police announced at a press conference Friday night.

Riley’s roommate called campus police after Riley went for a jog that morning at the university’s intramural fields and never returned. Her body was found a short time later in a wooded area.

She was unconscious and had “visible injuries” when officers found her, the University of Georgia Police Department said.

At the press conference, the police chief said Riley died of blunt force trauma. He confirmed that Ibarra did not did not know Riley and that this was a “crime of opportunity” and said there’s no further threat to the university community.

<p>Laken Riley did not know the suspect who was arrested in her murder, police say </p>
Laken Riley did not know the suspect who was arrested in her murder, police say (Supplied)
Riley was not a student at University of Georgia but instead was a nursing student at Augusta University, which has a campus in Athens, University of Georgia, reported The New York Times.

Augusta University said they are in a partnership with UGA, allowing students to participate in UGA campus activities.

Classes were cancelled on Friday at the university. They are expected to resume on Monday.

The arrest comes after a highly visible police investigation Friday that centered on an apartment complex just south of the wooded parkland where Riley’s body was found.

University of Georgia Police Chief Jeff Clark had said earlier “We’re not going to leave any rock unturned in this investigation,” noting there has not been a homicide on campus in the last 20 years.

“A suspect in the murder of Laken Riley has been taken into custody by the University of Georgia Police Department,” the university police said in a statement earlier today. “At this time, there are no indications of a continuing threat to the UGA campus related to this matter.”

A mobile command post was set up at the apartment complex and at one point, officers searched a dumpster at a gas station across the street. Police said surveillance footage led them to arresting Ibarra.

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Athens-Clarke County Police Department joined the university police department in the investigation.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...laken-riley-murder-georgia-b2501738.html
Republicans claiming they freed the slaves, is the definition of white washing and hypocrisy, I’ll make it simple.

The same people that fought for the south, that fought for segregation, are the same people that have 100 tUSA, and Maga flags in their front yard.
It gets trimmed down when the idiot republicans decide to put politics aside and do a deal like the one that the Senate put out there. Maybe if they did that rather than kiss Trumps butt, they could get something done.
Next he'll be posting every crime black people commit. Nothing has really changed in America except the race they are targeting to cast hate on.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/24/24 03:14 PM
Damon thinks a bogus bill will deport murderers already here, Pit thinks Black people (capitalize it, since like the year 2000) are ILLEGAL.

Just another day of intellectual gymnastics at DawgTalkers.
Yes, your "Look at articles that say illegals are creating an American crime wave!" are so intellectual. But that's how your side works. Target LGBTQ until you can silence them and cause them to get attacked and murdered. Not so long ago your side was blaming blacks for the crime wave in America. Now it's the immigrants you point the finger at. You've used the same worn out tactics on groups and colors in American for so long now to put a target on the backs of your supposed enemies there's no longer anything intellectual about it. In fact it's down right stupid.

I see your ignore feature is still broken.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/24/24 03:27 PM
More attacks in Times Square. The jewel of NYC now a daily war zone.

Thank you, Joe.

But when did you ever call any of these "liberal cities" a "jewel" before? You didn't. Before this they were called liberal cesspools. Oh how the verbiage changes depending on the agenda at the time. lol
They don’t want to get anything done. They’re waiting for the gold dome to save them from their made up false hell they are in. All while the govt faces yet another shutdown. Their first order of biz is “impeachment”.
Who knew house MAGAts would be so inept that voters overwhelmingly support dem control.
Originally Posted by FATE
Gotta go to the UK or Fox to get all the particulars, and well, I don't want anyone to call this fake, so UK it is.

Jose Antonio Ibarra is an illegal alien from Venezuela. He's charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a 911 call, and concealing the death of another in the death of 22-year-old Laken Hope Riley, according to UGA police Chief Jeffrey Clark. MSM are not reporting these facts #doesntfitthenarrative

RIP Laken, your future was so bright.

Yes and it's a terrible thing that trump signed the Deferred Enforced Departure program (DED) which allowed him to legally be here............

Ex-Trump Aide Points Finger at Former President for Laken Riley's Death

A former Donald Trump aide is blaming the former president for the death of Augusta University College of Nursing student Laken Riley, citing the Deferred Enforced Departure program (DED).

Riley, 22, was discovered on Thursday in a wooded area in Athens. The following evening, police announced that Jose Antonio Ibarra, a 26-year-old Venezuelan migrant, had been charged with malice murder, felony murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, false imprisonment, kidnapping, hindering a 911 call, and concealing the death of another. University of Georgia Police Chief Jeffrey Clark said Ibarra was not a U.S. citizen, adding: "Right now, I don't know his full status."

Citing multiple Department of Homeland Security (DHS) sources, NewsNation reporter Ali Bradley wrote on X, formerly Twitter, that Ibarra crossed into the U.S. illegally in El Paso, Texas, in September 2022. He was "released due to lack of detention space," but the claim has not been officially confirmed.

In a Saturday post on X, A.J. Delgado, a former Trump 2016 campaign aide, shared how based off the reported timing of when Ibarra crossed into the U.S., the blame is to be put on Trump.

"You're going to see a lot of #MAGA folks on here, who are claiming that #Biden has "blood on his hands" due to the suspect in the Atlanta-nursing-student's murder being an illegal immigrant from Venezuela who reportedly arrived in 2022. Except... #whoops: It seems *TRUMP* is the one to blame, if anyone is other than, you know, the murderer," Delgado wrote.

Newsweek has reached out to Trump's spokesperson via email for comment.

Delgado continued by sharing in a series of posts on X that the DED program, which Trump signed in January 2021 and offers temporary legal status to Venezuelans fleeing the humanitarian crisis brought on by Nicolás Maduro's regime, made it "enticing" for Venezuelans to make their way to the U.S.

"You see, on his way out the door in January 2021, one of the last things Trump did was carve out a special category for Venezuelans, same as Cubans...The point is, it was TRUMP who signed an order basically making it HUGELY enticing for Venezuelans to make their way to America [often via the southern border]. A year later, this guy came in," Delgado added.


According to the White House, under the program, the U.S. deferred for 18 months the removal of certain Venezuelan nationals in the U.S. It also allowed the Venezuelans to work during that time.

"The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States," Trump said in a memo released on January 19, 2021.

Delgado's comments came after a host of Republicans blamed President Joe Biden, who continues to face bipartisan criticism over his handling of the U.S.-Mexico border as the country continues to experience a high number of migrant border crossings.

There were more than 2.4 million encounters at the U.S.-Mexico border during the 2023 fiscal year, up from roughly 1.7 million in 2021, according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection data.

Republicans say the uptick in migrants is a direct result of Biden's border policies, which they argue incentivize illegal immigration. Other experts have said factors including political and financial instability in some Central American countries drive migration to the U.S.

Georgia Representative Mike Collins, a Republican, posted on X that Biden and Homeland Security Security Alejandro Mayorkas were responsible for Riley's death. He also blamed Athens' sanctuary city status.

"The blood of Laken Riley is on the hands of Joe Biden, Alejandro Mayorkas, and the government of Athens-Clarke County," Collins wrote. "The Venezuelan suspect in Laken Riley's murder is one of millions of illegal aliens that the Biden administration has released into this country to be welcomed with open arms by Democrat-run sanctuary jurisdictions. This man had no business being in America, much less the UGA community to brutally murder this young American while she was on a run."

Georgia state Senator Jason Esteves, a Democrat, countered with a post on X that stated: "Laken Riley's family deserves space to grieve without being used for cheap political points. Those who bring up border security should take that up with [Donald] Trump, who recently whipped Republicans in DC into shelving a bipartisan border security bill."

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-trump-a...F02hPrxV2ndF0IELkoSWajay6xbSN6nQzqaLxLiA
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 12:55 AM
More #fakenews from StateTV
Everybody wants to talk about Trump, but few actually look at what is happening with President Biden policy. At least some vocal people in this forum.

I sense panic on their part. Kind of like they are on the Titan submersible as they start to see the walls about to crush.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Everybody wants to talk about Trump, but few actually look at what is happening with President Biden policy. At least some vocal people in this forum.

I sense panic on their part. Kind of like they are on the Titan submersible as they start to see the walls about to crush.

Why don't you talk about the deal that Biden and those in the senate put together that is said to be the toughest border bill ever and perhaps the one that they will never get again..., and the house can't get it's act together to pass it or ever debate it.

You wanna throw this on Biden but you forget that the border crisis started 40 years or so ago.. and NOBODY,,,,,NOT ONE PRESIDENT has ever done anything about it.. .Including Trump.

What I sense is Panic on the right., They've been losing since 2017 and I don't see that ending anytime soon.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Everybody wants to talk about Trump, but few actually look at what is happening with President Biden policy. At least some vocal people in this forum.

I sense panic on their part. Kind of like they are on the Titan submersible as they start to see the walls about to crush.

The GOPers policy is “no no no” and “let’s shut down the government until we get our way” You GOPers have no leg to stand on with this border issue. The leaders in the house can’t govern because of senseless GOPers with half a brain.
Originally Posted by FATE
More #fakenews from StateTV

When that's all you got I guess that's all you got. It is trump policy. Sorry that doesn't go along with all the right wing propaganda.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Everybody wants to talk about Trump, but few actually look at what is happening with President Biden policy. At least some vocal people in this forum.

I sense panic on their part. Kind of like they are on the Titan submersible as they start to see the walls about to crush.

The right is not only panicking, they're still lying that trump won the election in 2020. They love the scenario that even when they lose they win. If you want to see what panic looks like, watch the Jan. 6th footage. People losing their ever loving minds because trump got his ass kicked in 2020.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 03:39 PM
That's right, AP. This should be a story about the dangers of jogging, not the fact that a illegal alien murdered her in broad daylight, make no mention of that.

#scumbagjournalism



The killing of a nursing student out for a run highlights the fears of solo female athletes

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BY JANIE HAR
Updated 5:12 PM EST, February 24, 2024

Carol Capps runs regularly in the forested area of the University of Georgia campus, where the body of a 22-year-old nursing student was found earlier this week after she was reported missing from a morning run.

Capps, 24, said the trails around Lake Herrick always seemed safe, a place where she could get away from traffic and go into the woods for some mental clarity.

But that sense of peace was shattered after authorities on Thursday found the body of Laken Hope Riley and arrested Athens resident Jose Antonio Ibarra, 26, on suspicion of murder. The victim and suspect did not know each other, and University of Georgia Police Chief Jeff Clark called the killing a crime of opportunity.

“The scariest thing about it is it could have been me or one of my friends,” said Capps, a store associate at Athens Running Company. “It feels like a place has been taken away from me.”

Riley’s death has once again put the spotlight on the dangers female runners face. Previously, the 2018 death of University of Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts while out jogging prompted an outpouring from other women who shared their tales of being harassed and followed.

Crime statistics indicate that these types of attacks are rare, but they underscore the hypervigilance women must take when going out, even for a run on campus.

According to a survey by athletic wear company Adidas last year, 92% of women reported feeling concerned for their safety with half afraid of being physically attacked. More than a third of women said they experienced physical or verbal harassment, including sexist comments and being followed.

Running groups and women’s forums have offered tips on how women can try to stay safer while exercising: Run during daylight hours or with a friend; avoid headphones; carry pepper spray or a whistle; make sure your phone is charged; mix up running routes; inform a friend of your whereabouts and check in with them when you’re done.

But Callie Rennison, a professor of criminal justice at the University of Colorado who studies violence against women, wishes there was more emphasis on teaching men not to assault women rather than telling women what they should or should not do.

“I hope that women keep getting out there running, hiking, matriculating, climbing, working, and living their lives as they deserve,” Rennison said in an email. “While I lose hope on some days for us, what is the alternative? Trying to exist quietly doesn’t protect us either.”

Capps, who has been running since age 13, said she is careful to be aware of her surroundings. But she also does not think Riley could have done anything to ward off what appears to be a random act of violence.

“It’s unpreventable, I think, what happened to her,” she said.

Riley’s death has rattled more than just female runners, of course. Nate Stein, 23, a recent University of Georgia graduate who lives in downtown Athens, said he has run and walked in the area where her body was found.

Now, he plans to be more wary.

“It feels like a park — nothing bad should ever happen there,” he said.

Riley graduated in 2020 from River Ridge High School in Woodstock, a suburb northwest of Atlanta, where she ran cross country and was described as an outstanding scholar athlete.

On social media, women have dedicated their runs to Riley, expressed dismay that they still cannot go out without the fear of being attacked and said that they will keep on running.

___
AP reporters Jeff Martin and Ben Finley contributed to this report.

https://apnews.com/article/runner-d...-safety-4b277117e82ab00d7e6c79672219a65f
He's from one of those countries trump protected people who came here from, right? Blood is on trump's hands for this one.

Trump blocks Venezuelans’ deportation in last political gift

https://apnews.com/general-news-international-news-88ba0f2a51b35bf8195e886d4210e5c3
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 04:06 PM
Nope. That's not how this works. You either believe lies or have no problem spreading them.

Trump granted Deferred Enforced Departure instead of Temporary Legal Status because it can be stopped at anytime without interference.

Then, upon taking office, Biden changed it:
Biden offers temporary legal status to 300,000 Venezuelan immigrants living in U.S.

And Mayorkas extended it:
Secretary Mayorkas Announces Extension and Redesignation of Venezuela for Temporary Protected Status


Nice try. But only gullible, liars or brain-dead would blame Trump for this one. thumbsup
So they extended the policies trump set up and approved. I think we've covered this. At some point I thought you may actually man up and hold everyone who helped create this mess accountable. My expectations were much too high.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 04:19 PM
No, they changed them. You just can't read.

And Trump didn't open the border to 8 million people.


So, go ahead and explain how this pertains to the killer, Jose Antonio Ibarra, since he came here under Biden's watch and never applied for I-821??


This should be good. Next we'll start blaming DUI's on the previous vehicle owner. rofl
Let's recap......

For at least months now you have raised hell about how Biden reversed trump's immigration policies. Now you raise hell because he extended a trump policy. You have decided to pick and choose when you like trumps' immigration policies and when you don't. And blame Biden whether he reverses them or whether he extends them. The trumpian game of heads you win tails they lose trumpians love to use so much.

You loved trump's immigration policies until you found one you didn't. You blame biden for reversing the one's you like and then blame him for extending one you don't. So which is it? Biden is wrong for overturning trump's immigration policies or he's wrong for extending them? You want to have it both ways depending on when it suits your agenda. I will give you credit for your innate ability to quickly jump from one side of the fence to the other.

You're right, this is good.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 04:49 PM
I stopped reading at "raised hell". I'm not raising hell about any Trump policy, you are.

Now you're rearranging goalposts because the actual facts no longer fit your whackjob narrative.


We'll try again, since you want to continue down this rabbit hole with a blindfold on:

Go ahead and explain how any policy pertains to the killer, Jose Antonio Ibarra, since he came here under Biden's watch and never applied for I-821??
Fate calls it “moving the goal posts”
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 04:57 PM
Maybe you can explain how a murderer who came here under Biden's watch (along with 8 million others) and didn't even file for Biden's Temporary Legal Status was somehow let in by a Trump order that was changed by Biden to be more inclusive and less negotiable and then extended by his Secretary of Homeland Security.

I know it's a mouthful, but that's how Pit's field goals work.

Care to posit?
Yeah, I'm talking about immigration policies in an immigration thread and to him that's moving the goal posts. He loves trump's immigration policies until he doesn't. Then he avoids actually addressing that like the plague. He blames Biden for overturning trumps immigration policies right up until the point he blames Biden for extending a trump immigration policy. It's hilarious!
Posted By: mac Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 04:58 PM
jc...

Why isn't there a border deal..?

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JbOecX4akVM[/video]

He came in on Biden's watch by a policy trump put in place. You hated Biden overturning trump's immigration policy right up until you hated Biden extending a trump immigration policy. notallthere
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 05:03 PM
So, you refusing to answer the simple question?

#experttrollmodefail
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 05:06 PM
Originally Posted by mac
jc...

Why isn't there a border deal..?

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JbOecX4akVM[/video]


Except Republicans had already called the deal scam DOA for weeks before that. Don't let facts get in your way though. Maybe Trump sabotaged the Browns training staff as well?
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by mac
jc...

Why isn't there a border deal..?

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JbOecX4akVM[/video]


Except trump had called the deal scam DOA for weeks before that.

Fixed.

And y’all believed his bs once again. Lol sheep.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 05:21 PM
Aaaand, you're posting a blatant lie that you know is a lie. AKA Tuesday.

Care to answer to my previous post, or just interested in spreading lies? Pit won't answer, but we know what he is. You're a bit of a chameleon, maybe you'll man-up and show some different colors today?

Explain how a murderer who came here under Biden's watch (along with 8 million others) and didn't even file for Biden's Temporary Legal Status was somehow let in by a Trump order... that was changed by Biden to be more inclusive and less negotiable and then extended by his Secretary of Homeland Security.
Posted By: mac Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 05:22 PM
Mike Johnson Admits He's Taking Orders From Trump on Sabotaging Border Deal
Story by Brett Meiselas • 1mo
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Republican Speaker Mike Johnson admitted to Laura Ingraham on Fox News Wednesday night that he has been talking to Donald Trump "pretty frequently" about a possible deal being negotiated to fix problems at the border.

A bipartisan border deal was reached recently between Republican Senator James Lankford and Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer to solve many of the issues the country is facing at the southern border. Soon after, Laura Ingraham aired a misleading graphic on her show, cherry picking portions from the bill that would be most likely to anger hardline MAGA Republicans.

It worked.

Almost instantly, Johnson was pressured to denounce the bill and said that it would never reach the House Floor. On Wednesday, Johnson said, "I don’t think now is the time for comprehensive immigration reform, because we know how complicated that is."
Republicans have been quite vocal in admitting that they will refuse to pass any legislation on the border that could possibly benefit President Biden.

Congressman Troy Nehls (R-TX) recently told CNN, "Let me tell you, I’m not willing to do too damn much right now to help a Democrat and to help Joe Biden’s approval rating."

It turns out that Republicans are not simply trying to help Donald Trump at the expense of doing right by the nation; they are working directly with Trump to sabotage any efforts to secure the border. And so is their propaganda network, Fox.

Here's the transcript from Johnson's appearance on Ingraham's show Wednesday night:

Ingraham: The president actually just got off the phone with me right before the show and he said he has spoken to you about this deal and that he is against it and he urged you to be against this deal. He was extremely – President Trump – was extremely adamant about that. Your reaction to that, given the fact that, look, he already he knows how to do this enforcement stuff. You don't need some new bill coming out of the the Senate to get the border enforced.

Johnson: Yeah, President Trump is not wrong. He and I have been talking about this pretty frequently. I talked to him night before last about the same subject. We don't have the text of whatever the Senate has cooked up yet. And so we have to reserve judgment, I think, to see what comes out of it. It doesn't sound good.

It goes without saying, but Donald Trump is not, in fact, the president.

This is not the first time Republicans have done Donald Trump's bidding in Congress. In September, it was revealed that Trump was secretly orchestrating the sham efforts to impeach President Biden and investigate his son, Hunter.

Watch the clip of Speaker Johnson and Laura Ingraham above.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 05:32 PM
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MeidasTouch Network? Aren't they the ones that reported an Alien capture?

Can you find us a report from Joe's Barber Shop on W 132nd? rofl
MeidasTouch is reliable news, unless you hate America.
Originally Posted by FATE
So, you refusing to answer the simple question?

#experttrollmodefail

You have refused to answer anything about how it was a trump era policy that allowed this man to remain here and now rather than address that wish to divert attention away from it.

#typicabaitandswitch
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 07:09 PM
ReAdInG is fundamental.

I did that in the very first post.


Originally Posted by FATE
Nope. That's not how this works. You either believe lies or have no problem spreading them.

Trump granted Deferred Enforced Departure instead of Temporary Legal Status because it can be stopped at anytime without interference.

Then, upon taking office, Biden changed it:
Biden offers temporary legal status to 300,000 Venezuelan immigrants living in U.S.

And Mayorkas extended it:
Secretary Mayorkas Announces Extension and Redesignation of Venezuela for Temporary Protected Status


Nice try. But only gullible, liars or brain-dead would blame Trump for this one. thumbsup


Wanna try again?


Explain how a murderer who came here under Biden's watch (along with 8 million others) and didn't even file for Biden's Temporary Legal Status was somehow let in by a Trump order... that was changed by Biden to be more inclusive and less negotiable and then extended by his Secretary of Homeland Security.
He gave then the right to stay and the right to work here. You can try to rationalize that all you want. He would have been here and working here under trump's policy.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/27/24 09:39 PM
Wrong again. This criminal never applied for that exception (surprise, we've covered this already), so while you're trying to string loose theories together, you'll have to account for the fact that your scenario never happened.

A time machine? Maybe voodoo and mind control? I think your options for turning make believe into reality have already been flushed.

"Next!"
Originally Posted by mac
jc...

Why isn't there a border deal..?

[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JbOecX4akVM[/video]



MUST SEE TV
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 02:02 PM
This is turning into daily reading. Rampant crime by illegals.


Venezuelan migrant is charged with sexually assaulting a child in Virginia - just six months after catch and release by border guards in El Paso

✦ Renzo Mendoza Montes, 32, was arrested last week in Campbell County, VA
✦ He was charged with a pair of felonies relating to the sexual assault of a minor
✦ His arrest is the second last week of an illegal Venezuelan migrant allegedly committing a heinous act of violence against a US citizen



Deputies in Campbell County, Virginia said they arrested an illegal migrant in connection with the sexual assault of a minor.

Last week, the sheriff's office arrested Renzo Mendoza Montes, a 32-year-old man, on a pair of felony charges that relate to the sexual assault of an underage individual.

The deputies say Montes is a Venezuelan citizen who has been in the country illegally since September 3 of last year when he crossed the southern border into El Paso, Texas.

He was detained and released by US Customs and Border Patrol and sent on his way.

It was first reported that Montes was being held without bond, but he is now believed to be in ICE custody.

Few other details are currently available about the sexual assault he allegedly committed, but his arrest is the latest in a string of violent crimes against US citizens by illegal immigrants.

Another illegal immigrant from Venezuela, 26-year-old Jose Antonio Ibarra, was arrested for the murder of 22-year-old UGA nursing student Laken Riley, who was found in a forested area last Thursday afternoon.

Ibarra was charged with felony murder, false imprisonment, kidnapping and concealing the death of another and was denied bond on Saturday morning.

But the grievous murder is not his first run-in with the law while in the US illegally.

Just five months ago, Ibarra was arrested and charged 'with acting in a manner to injure a child less than 17 and a motor vehicle license violation,' according to ICE.

The NYPD released him 'before a detainer could be issued,' the agency said.

New York City is also a 'sanctuary city,' which usually restricts law enforcement from complying with ICE detainers.

The slew of violent crime highlights the massive immigration problem currently facing the Biden administration ahead of thee 2024 election.

Last fiscal year, the Biden presidency saw the single highest number of encounters at the border on record.

At least 2.4 million migrants streamed across the US' southern border in fiscal 2023, and that figure just represents the encounters border patrol agents had - there are plenty of illegal crossers who did not come into contact with DHS officers.

That 2.4million figure breaks down to an average of about 6,575 encounters per day, some of whom, inevitably, go on to commit violent crime.

Liberal cities like New York and Chicago, where hundreds of thousands of migrants have been bused in from border states - an effort led by Texas Governor Greg Abbott - are increasing their pressure on the Biden administration to fork over emergency aid.

Several Democratic mayors are now asking for $5billion in aid, a significantly higher number than the $1.5billion the White House requested from Congress.

Capitol Hill lawmakers have spent the last many months unsuccessfully fighting amongst themselves over some sort of border policy that would stem the flow of illegal migrants into the country.

In December, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas, who was recently impeached by a slim margin in the Republican-led House, defended his efforts at the border: 'We do have asylum laws. We do have refugee laws. We abide by our international obligations that are longstanding.'

Referring to the legislation efforts of Congress, he said: 'Some of the proposals are reasonable and worthy of discussion. Others are, frankly, not.'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...legal-migrant-sexual-assault-border.html
Once again you have no leg to stand on here. Your boy shot down the bill that could have saved US. Then he sent them on a two week vacation while thousands are being killed in the Ukraine .
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 02:25 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Once again you have no leg to stand on here. Your boy shot down the bill that could have saved US.

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Lol yeah that’s all you have…pffft GOPers.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 02:32 PM
Does the bill come with a time machine??

Soooo predictably dense. This place really needs a seperate place for the kiddies.
No kidding….they call fake news when the can’t believe the reality of it all.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 02:40 PM
Did your dog write that?
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Once again you have no leg to stand on here. Your boy shot down the bill that could have saved US. Then he sent them on a two week vacation while thousands are being killed in the Ukraine .

None of that matters. The FACT that the right wing GOP'ers blocked a comprehensive border deal doesn't matter to him. the FACT that it was trump who gave an open border policy to Venezuelans makes no difference to him. He's unwilling to take any responsibility for those actions. He has BDS. Biden Derangement Syndrome.
Originally Posted by FATE
Soooo predictably dense. This place really needs a seperate place for the kiddies.

We'll ask PPE to create one for you, Eve, Peen and your little group.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 03:38 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Once again you have no leg to stand on here. Your boy shot down the bill that could have saved US. Then he sent them on a two week vacation while thousands are being killed in the Ukraine .

None of that matters. The FACT that the right wing GOP'ers blocked a comprehensive border deal doesn't matter to him. the FACT that it was trump who gave an open border policy to Venezuelans makes no difference to him. He's unwilling to take any responsibility for those actions. He has BDS. Biden Derangement Syndrome.

Once again, Trump has nothing to do with this.
But he signed an open border policy for Venezuelans. Still no accountability I see.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 03:49 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
But he signed an open border policy for Venezuelans. Still no accountability I see.

Yeah, please explain...



Memorandum on Deferred Enforced Departure for Certain Venezuelans
FOREIGN POLICY

Issued on: January 19, 2021
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE SECRETARY OF STATE
THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY

SUBJECT: Deferred Enforced Departure for Certain Venezuelans

The autocratic government of Nicolas Maduro has consistently violated the sovereign freedoms possessed by the Venezuelan people. Through force and fraud, the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis in the Western Hemisphere in recent memory. A catastrophic economic crisis and shortages of basic goods and medicine have forced about five million Venezuelans to flee the country, often under dangerous conditions.

This Administration has imposed sanctions against Maduro and his regime, and I have recognized the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaidó, as the interim president of the country. The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States.

Pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States, I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.

Accordingly, I hereby direct you to take appropriate measures to defer for 18 months the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, who is present in the United States as of January 20, 2021, except for aliens who:

(1) have voluntarily returned to Venezuela or their country of last habitual residence outside the United States;

(2) have not continuously resided in the United States since January 20, 2021;

(3) are inadmissible under section 212(a)(3) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(3)) or removable under section 237(a)(4) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)(4));

(4) who have been convicted of any felony or 2 or more misdemeanors committed in the United States, or who meet the criteria set forth in section 208(b)(2)(A) of the INA (8 U.S.C. 1158(b)(2)(A));

(5) who were deported, excluded, or removed, prior to January 20, 2021;

(6) who are subject to extradition;

(7) whose presence in the United States the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined is not in the interest of the United States or presents a danger to public safety; or

(8) whose presence in the United States the Secretary of State has reasonable grounds to believe would have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States.

I further direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to take appropriate measures to authorize employment for aliens whose removal has been deferred, as provided by this memorandum, for the duration of such deferral.

The Secretary of Homeland Security is authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

DONALD J. TRUMP
He did everything but hand them a green card and you need that explained to you?
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 04:01 PM
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Accordingly, I hereby direct you to take appropriate measures to defer for 18 months the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, who is present in the United States as of January 20, 2021

Now paint a picture of how this illegal alien murderer time traveled, so we can all understand.

#AmateurHour
Still in denial I see. Trump hands out amnesty to Venezuelans. No outrage because Biden didn't do it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 04:33 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Still in denial I see. Trump hands out amnesty to Venezuelans. No outrage because Biden didn't do it.

He did no such thing, fake news and lies... that you keep spewing long after you've learned they're lies.
Biden changed it from a DED to a TPS... that's how you hand out amnesty and green cards. #notthatfactsmatter

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The move to use DED instead of TPS stems from a long-standing concern from some Republicans that TPS will eventually become a path to permanent residency in the United States. Deferred Enforced Departure is designated by the president and gives the chief executive the ability to end it without as many procedural hurdles.

He has also presided over this:

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And then Mayorkas extended the TPS, even with all this [censored] going on... he extended it just five months ago...

Originally Posted by FATE
Nope. That's not how this works. You either believe lies or have no problem spreading them.

Trump granted Deferred Enforced Departure instead of Temporary Legal Status because it can be stopped at anytime without interference.

Then, upon taking office, Biden changed it:
Biden offers temporary legal status to 300,000 Venezuelan immigrants living in U.S.


Secretary Mayorkas Announces Extension and Redesignation of Venezuela for Temporary Protected Status


Nice try. But only gullible, liars or brain-dead would blame Trump for this one. thumbsup



^ Remember this post? It was my first post on the subject, with all the facts to end your argument after your b.s. fake news post full of lies. Yet you've been arguing for two pages since.

I know the facts don't matter to you, but you've made a complete fool of yourself in this thread. Keep going though. We want to know more about the time traveling illegal that Trump sent here to kill a college student. notallthere
I'm not sure how you think any of those things changes the fact that trump granted amnesty to Venezuelans.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 05:18 PM
He also ate oranges in Florida. Neither factoid has anything to do with the illegal alien that killed the UGA student. I'm not sure how you think it does.

Do you really want to continue down this road? Maybe pick a different avenue to Biden's Immigration Crisis, this one has reached a dead end... and it's next to a sign that says "Bridge Out".
Giving amnesty to Venezuelans is a trump issue, not a Biden issue. You need to read the sign post ahead..... The Twilight Zone..

"Imagine if you will that we live in a world where one man can't see or even admit that both political parties are responsible for the immigration problem. That the very side he refuses to assign any blame to just obstructed a comprehensive immigration bill to help solve the problem. That the man he claims had "the problem under control" when millions crossed the border under his watch and that granted amnesty to Venezuelans is the savior on immigration. You wouldn't believe it if you don't see it with your own eyes. So keep tuning into.....The Twilight Zone."
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 05:42 PM
More fake news from the resident propaganda artist.

You've been proven wrong with fact after fact, yet you continue to spew the same false rhetoric. It's trash like this that created the term "libtard" and you seemingly wear it with pride.

"Trump, Trump, Trump!!"... but the other side has a problem.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 05:46 PM
In news that matters... that's not brain-dead-libtard rhetoric...

ICE arrests 275 noncitizens with sex offense convictions during nation-wide law enforcement effort

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FEBRUARY 23, 2024WASHINGTON, DCENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL
WASHINGTON – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) officers apprehended 275 unlawfully present noncitizen sex offenders during a nation-wide law enforcement effort that ran from February 5-16, 2024.
And it's why people such as yourself have earned the moniker "repugnantcan". No sense of objectivity whatsoever.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 05:54 PM
Yes! That's it. I'm not being objective!
If you were objective you would openly admit that it's taken over 40 years and total inaction by both parties to reform our immigration policies that's gotten us to where we are now. You would be openly willing to admit that the far right in the House just obstructed a comprehensive immigration bill. But you're not willing to do that. So no, you're not being objective.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 06:47 PM
Ahhh... back to that song and dance.

Sleepy Joe let 8 million cross with a red carpet #notthatfactsmatter

And you sit here for two days spreading misinformation about Trump. Information you know has nothing to do with the story at hand. #Pitiful
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 06:51 PM
In other news that matters; not just lies, disinformation, and Viagra induced TDS:

ICE arrests 171 noncitizens pending charges for murder, homicide or assault against children

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FEBRUARY 1, 2024WASHINGTON, DCENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL
ICE arrests 171 noncitizens with pending charges or convictions for murder, homicide or assault against children during nation-wide law enforcement effort
WASHINGTON — U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) officers apprehended 171 unlawfully present noncitizens with pending charges or convictions for murder, homicide or assault against children during a nation-wide law enforcement effort that ran from January 16-28, 2024.
You must mean five million more than rump because trump let over 3 million cross with a red carpet. #notthatfactsmatter

Reagan gave amnesty to over 2 million immigrants and trump basically did the same with immigrants from Venezuela. Once again #notthatfactsmatter

But you have no idea what objectivity means.

Why would you of all people talk about someone of the same old song and dance when you have been repeating the same thing moth after month when we both now that a president is not a king and nothing will ever be resolved until our immigration laws are reformed? Facts are not your friend.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 07:07 PM
Here's Trump's "Red Carpet" if you predate StateTV search results to him leaving the White House...



Remarks by President Trump on the Illegal Immigration Crisis ...

National Archives | (.gov)
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov › remarks-preside...
Nov 1, 2018 — And good afternoon. I would like to provide an update to the American people regarding the crisis on our southern border — and crisis it is. Illegal immigration ...


Trump's Anti-Immigrant Rhetoric Was Never About Legality

Time Magazine
https://time.com › Ideas › Immigration
Aug 6, 2019 — But the election of Donald Trump, his racist and harmful lies about immigrants, the policies enacted by his Administration and the violence he has incited ...

Trump's anti-immigrant 'invasion' rhetoric was echoed by ...

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › think › opinion › trump-s-...
Aug 5, 2019 — The president's words — and those of his supporters — have contributed to a societal fear of immigrants, especially Hispanic immigrants. Image: Donald Trump.

The Impact of Trump's Immigration Agenda

Fwd.us
https://www.fwd.us › news › the-impact-of-trumps-imm...
Sep 29, 2020 — President Trump has done everything in his power to subject more than one million DACA recipients and TPS holders to deportation, including hundreds of ...

Trump used words like invasion, killer to discuss ...

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › news › elections › 2019/08/08
Aug 8, 2019 — Trump often uses words like 'invasion' and 'alien' to describe immigrants. After shootings in El Paso and Dayton, he's facing criticism for his words.
Videos

Trump’s Immigration Rhetoric Echoes a Bitter Fight from the 90s
Retro Report · Anne Checler
Oct 28, 2019


AP fact check: President Trump's rhetoric and the truth ...

PBS
https://www.pbs.org › newshour › politics › ap-fact-che...
Nov 2, 2018 — WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump is spreading misleading rhetoric about the nature of Central American migrants heading to the U.S. border and grossly ...

Donald Trump's latest dog whistle on immigration is more ...

CNN
https://www.cnn.com › donald-trump-daca-stolen
Apr 2, 2018 — President Donald Trump won the White House in 2016 due, in large part, to his willingness to play on deep-seated fear of the other.

Trump's anti-immigration playbook was written 100 years ...

The Boston Globe
https://apps.bostonglobe.com › graphics › 2017/01 › i...
Jan 31, 2017 — Boston College Law School professor Daniel Kanstroom, a specialist in immigration law who wrote a book called Deportation Nation, likes to show our less ...

Trump's most insulting — and violent — language is often ...

Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/10/02
Oct 2, 2019 — The press has gone Crazy. Fake News!!" The Washington Post's Josh Dawsey, however, confirmed that Trump wanted migrants attempting to illegally cross the border ...

Trump's First Year on Immigration Policy: Rhetoric vs. Reality

migrationpolicy.org
https://www.migrationpolicy.org › research › trump-first...
Jan 18, 2018 — In an August 2016 campaign speech in Arizona, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump laid out in ten detailed points the immigration policy he ...

Trump on immigration: No amnesty, no pivot

CNN
https://www.cnn.com › 2016/08/31 › politics › donald-t...
Aug 31, 2016 — That idea that Donald Trump is softening his immigration policy: Not going to happen. The Republican presidential nominee on Wednesday re-upped the harsh ...

Trump's Argument Against Immigrants: We've Heard It Before

The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com › retro-anti-immigration
Oct 9, 2017 — President Trump wants to sharply limit immigrants and refugees. His efforts, and the resulting backlash, echo the debate over a 1994 California referendum.

A Theory of Trump's Immigration Rhetoric

Joshua Foust
https://joshuafoust.com › a-theory-of-trumps-immigrati...
Jul 31, 2019 — While immigration has been a topic of debate in this country for many decades, the 2015 announcement of Donald Trump's candidacy for the President, which ...

Trump on immigrants: 'These aren't people. ...

USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com › news › politics › 2018/05/16
May 16, 2018 — WASHINGTON — President Trump used extraordinarily harsh rhetoric to renew his call for stronger immigration laws Wednesday, calling undocumented immigrants ...

President Trump's Bold Immigration Plan for the 21st Century

National Archives | (.gov)
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov › News › Articles
May 21, 2019 — Trump addressed Americans from the White House Rose Garden on Thursday, he unveiled an immigration plan that will turn America's broken immigration system from ...

Trump's Racist Language Serves Abusive Immigration ...

Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org › news › 2018/05/22 › trumps-racis...
May 22, 2018 — Presidential words matter – especially in a White House statement. So US President Donald Trump's description of immigrants (he later specified that he ...

Survey: Trump's immigration rhetoric is negatively ...

NBC News
https://www.nbcnews.com › news › latino › survey-tru...
Nov 4, 2019 — The White House's anti-immigrant remarks are taking a toll on Latinos in the U.S., whether they be citizens or undocumented immigrants, a new study ...

Yes, Trump's hard-line immigration stance helped him win ...

Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com › opinion › op-ed › la-oe-klin...
Apr 17, 2017 — Ever since he announced his presidential campaign in July 2015, Donald Trump has made opposition to immigration central to his political strategy — and ...

Trump Continues Rhetoric On Immigration Ahead Of Election

NPR
https://www.npr.org › 2018/10/31 › in-campaign-sprint...
Oct 31, 2018 — President Trump held a campaign rally in Florida on Wednesday — the first of 11 he is planning in the next six days. His immigration message may help GOP ...

Democrats furious over Trump's immigration rhetoric

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Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 07:10 PM
Ronald Reagan's tenure as the 40th president of the United States began with his first inauguration on January 20, 1981, and ended on January 20, 1989.
(For those not good at math, that era began over 40 years ago)

Sleepy Joe tenure: NOW

#passthebuck
Yeah, all of your links doesn't change the fact that 3 million came here while trump was president. But keep flailing your arms. And the House GOP just refused to pass a comprehensive immigration bill NOW!

Because trump sent them their marching orders.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 07:17 PM
[Linked Image from media.tenor.com]
Aw. When one refuses to address the facts there's always a mindless meme to cover that up. #weakazzmeme
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 07:27 PM
Facts lol? Ah, you mean the comprehensive border turnstile (this is where we pivot without Pit admitting he was dead wrong and spewed lies for two days).


Let's just do it this way:


If the "bipartisan border deal" were a plumbing problem...

Plumber: Yeah, you've got leaks everywhere, but I have a comprehensive plan.

Resident: Great! What do we do??

Plumber: We place buckets everywhere, catch all the water and wait for it to evaporate back into the atmosphere.

Resident: But what about the leaks? How do we fix the leaks??

Plumber: Well, I wouldn't worry about that right now. Let's concentrate on catching the water in a humane manner and let those other problems take care of themselves. But don't worry, I've set a limit on catching five buckets per day. After that, I'll just shut off your water supply. Easy-peasy.
Your analogy is wrong on so many levels. That's why only the far right objected to it. Lankford explained it clearly and you know you're misrepresenting it. Common sense Republicans approved of the bill. That's why it's hard to take extremists like yourself seriously.
There is no such thing as an illegal human being.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 07:39 PM
I'll try again. This time without all the "extremism" lol.


If the "bipartisan border deal" were a forest fire...

Firefighter: Hey chief! I'm gonna start a direct attack from the south while the wind is favorable!

Chief: I've got a better idea.

Firefighter: What's that, chief?

Chief: Let's start some more fires across the way.

Firefighter: Due respect, chief, but why would we do that??

Chief: People are used to big fires anyway, the smaller fires will take their focus off the existing ones because they're new and more colorful.

Firefighter: I don't see how that helps the situation?

Chief: Ah, but that just your shortsightedness. Once all this burns down, we can plant new trees -- that's green, bro. Also, have some of the guys start digging a tunnel around the perimeter.

Firefighter: A tunnel?? What is that for??

Chief: We're gonna hire a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing to install a sprinkler system so we're ready for future fires. If we make them government jobs, work should be completed by 2045.
You're still trying to use stupidity to rationalize extremism.





Facts matter. But you do seem highly qualified to work for FOX News.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/28/24 11:24 PM
Let me know when the facts don't include a turnstile... and an approach that does more than arriving at an inferno with a squirt gun. I know I'm waiting at least 10 months for that though. thumbsup



Here are some other facts (except these ones are real, and not just opinions and unfounded predictions), just so we can wrap up your two day bender of TDS and close the book on your lies.







According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Ibarra and his wife entered the United States near El Paso, Texas in September 2022. After being arrested and released, his wife told the New York Post they were put on a bus and sent to New York.

Last year he was arrested in NYC for child endangerment. "At that point Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) could have taken Ibarra into custody, but according to a written ICE statement, “he was released by the NYPD before a detainer could be issued.”

He moved to the Athens, Georgia area where his brother was residing. A short time later, after Ibarra’s brother Diego had been arrested and released on a DUI charge, the two of them were busted stealing from a Wal-Mart. They were given a citation for misdemeanor shoplifting and let go.

The Clarke County Sheriff’s Office sent its policy on its communication with ICE. It indicated that “prisoners identified as undocumented aliens should not be detained solely on the basis of being an undocumented alien” but that otherwise, ICE would be notified, and it would be up to ICE to determine whether to request custody.

It's unclear if that communication occurred.

The sheriff’s office has yet to respond to a request for clarification, but the Department of Justice says it was unaware of Diego Ibarra’s prior arrest history until last week.

https://www.11alive.com/article/new.../85-0294133e-f5e1-4e2f-a2df-ab017b498508




Last Thursday morning, he murdered (allegedly) Laken Riley when she was out for her morning jog.

Riley was a nursing student at Augusta University's Athens campus, after starting her college career at the much larger Athens campus of the University of Georgia. She was found dead Thursday after a roommate reported she didn't return from a morning run in a wooded area of the University of Georgia campus near its intramural fields.

Jose Ibarra, who faces multiple murder and assault charges, is also accused of dragging 22-year-old Laken Riley to a secluded area on Thursday, according to one of the affidavits obtained by CBS News. The allegation that he dragged Riley's body was filed to support the charge of concealing the death of another person.

Authorities haven't said exactly how Riley was killed, only that her death was caused by blunt force trauma. With the only specific statements being that "used an object as a weapon in the crime that caused blunt force trauma and disfigured her skull".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/georgi...r-suspect-jose-ibarra-disfiguring-skull/


Originally Posted by PitDAWG
He's from one of those countries trump protected people who came here from, right? Blood is on trump's hands for this one.
From what I can gather, what he said in the last 20 seconds or so said it all. I feel like it's one of the issues that has no end in sight, because both parties want it to be resolved on their watch and are hell bent on it not being resolved on the other's watch. This isn't the only issue, but it may be the biggest where that kind of dynamic is at play.
Did you notice how Fate brought up the immigration bill until it was explained by Lankford? Then all of a sudden nothing. He was brainwashed by the right wing and now the emperor has no clothes. trump told them to fail a comprehensive immigration bill and his minions obeyed. Still they want to blame the democrats.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/29/24 05:42 PM
[Linked Image from media0.giphy.com]
Originally Posted by FATE
I'll try again. This time without all the "extremism" lol.


If the "bipartisan border deal" were a forest fire...

Firefighter: Hey chief! I'm gonna start a direct attack from the south while the wind is favorable!

Chief: I've got a better idea.

Firefighter: What's that, chief?

Chief: Let's start some more fires across the way.

Firefighter: Due respect, chief, but why would we do that??

Chief: People are used to big fires anyway, the smaller fires will take their focus off the existing ones because they're new and more colorful.

Firefighter: I don't see how that helps the situation?

Chief: Ah, but that just your shortsightedness. Once all this burns down, we can plant new trees -- that's green, bro. Also, have some of the guys start digging a tunnel around the perimeter.

Firefighter: A tunnel?? What is that for??

Chief: We're gonna hire a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing to install a sprinkler system so we're ready for future fires. If we make them government jobs, work should be completed by 2045.

It seems as though an audio visual aid helped you.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/29/24 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It seems as though an audio visual aid helped you.

I have no idea what that means. What's an audio visual aid and how did it "help me"?
I'm not surprised you didn't get it.



Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/29/24 08:14 PM
Ah, you want me to watch your videos about the turnstile.

No thanks.
He was well-spoken in that second video and withstood up to a lot of scrutiny. It's an odd dynamic since he was a devoted Republican, on a Republican network, with a far-right host, and she attempted to put him on his heels, and he fought back. He did a good job addressing the discrepancy with the 5,000 people. She thanked him for explaining that discrepancy, but then went back and doubled down on the point she made before he explained how she was misunderstanding everything. He responded with "No" again when she misrepresented the figure, but he was not given the chance to re-explain how she was wrong, and then had to move on to another part of the bill.

I remember early on in this topic, I asked "Would a wall really be all that effective?" The response I received was along the lines of "Well, it would be better than nothing."

I'd like to turn that notion to the bill that Lankford discussed? Would that not be better than where we currently are?

This reeks of what I said earlier: "No success unless it's my success."
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/29/24 10:15 PM
It actually reeks of totally ignoring what's in the bill...


The proof is right there from the first question about the NGOs.

"Sure, we're going to give them more money, but not until...
More deportation flights
More detention beds
Till we hire more ICE officers
Till we hire more Border Patrol officers
Till we implement tougher standards
So that money is held till there is full implementation in other areas".


You're a smart man, how fast do expect all that will take place? And consider Lankford's following statement (his disclaimer about the 5000 number)...

"Every single person is detained and deported in the process, whether it's one or it's 5000".

So this magical infrastructure that is going to appear at the border will change the time span from 6 years to "immediately". And it will do that instantaneously?

Does this cat sell bridges as well?


And BTW, his claim that there is a "mandatory shutdown" at 5000 is a complete and utter lie. No excuse for that crap either since he wrote the bill. The shutdown or "Emergency Powers"...

* Do not affect ports of entry
* Can be ignored by Biden if deemed "not in our national interests"
* Leave the border wide open for undefined "Humanitarian Exceptions"
* And then there's a blanket disclaimer at the end that Team Sleepy retains power to "opt out" on ALL limits on migrant numbers. saywhat

And since he did a good job of explaining the 5000 people rule, please explain how you understood that to work?

And then he lies again when he ignores the question about the ten million that already crossed and says "Nope, actually we're trying to focus on how to secure the border right now and how to have implementation long term. No question, people that are in the interior that are here illegally can all be deported".

So I guess he just forgot about the part where AUTOMATIC "Conditional Permanent Resident" status granted for ALL who entered after July 2021?

This bill is a sham, he's a shill and a shyster. He himself, early in this 9 month odyssey, said the Biden Admin was going to have to bend on this huge (5000) number if there was any hope of getting this passed. They DID NOT but suddenly he says it's a good idea. I know it seems shady, and otherworldly, but maybe he has some self-serving interests at stake here? (No way!)

So everyone can keep screaming "Bipartisan!" all they want because there was a idiot with an (R) next to his name behind these closed doors (God forbid they talk to anyone who actually deals with this mess on a daily basis), but that has nothing to do with a rotten, one-sided bill that doesn't do anything to secure the border.

What. A. Joke.
No doubt we need a wall and upgrade our standards.

With just a little research , I found out what other countries require if we wanted to live there.

Panama...income of at least $1000 a month, valid birth cert, and passport.

Belize...$2000 per month income, pass a security check.

Phillipines...must deposit $20,000 in Philippine bank . Sustainable, verified income.

New Zeland..Must invest $470,000 to live there, plus $300,000 to live on and a $35000 annual income.


Here....lol, we pay low income wetbacks to come here. No I.D., no nothing. Maybe we need to have some standards for entry in to our country.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 02/29/24 10:19 PM
Here's the standard... you read it from a cue card the cartel gave you...

"I am in fear for my life"

And OFF you go, to the city of your choice.
Originally Posted by FATE
Ah, you want me to watch your videos about the turnstile.

No thanks.

I didn't expect you would want to see the facts about what was actually in the immigration bill. It debunks all of your faux rhetoric and you don't wish to open your mind to anything other than your false narrative. It's the trumpian way.
Your claim is don't overhaul immigration policies because it will take some time to implement everything? You sound like every obstructionist in the House.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 03:39 PM
I already responded.
The immigration bill had more funding for the wall and raised the standard required to seek asylum. Everything you are talking about was in that bill.

Quote
"low income wetbacks

What is something a racist POS would say for $500 Alex?

And who is it you claim is "paying them to come here"?
Originally Posted by FATE
I already responded.

Your response is that you refuse to watch a Republican who helped write the bill explain the bill. And that since it can't all be implemented immediately they should do nothing. Thanks for that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Your claim is don't overhaul immigration policies because it will take some time to implement everything? You sound like every obstructionist in the House.

Yeah, that's what I said.

I'm saying if you're going to rewrite the entire thing, don't call it an "emergency secure the border bill". And if you think you're going to sneak in amnesty for 10 million illegals, you should already know this thing will be DOA.

This whole mess is predicated by the wash, rinse, repeat of this administration from day one.

Start big fires.
Throw water on them (once it's scorched earth) and act like a hero.
Blame the whole mess on somebody else.


And in this case, then act like 5000 per day is no big deal. rofl
There was no amnesty for 10 million people included in this bill. Yet another lie.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 03:51 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
I already responded.

Your response is that you refuse to watch a Republican who helped write the bill explain the bill. And that since it can't all be implemented immediately they should do nothing. Thanks for that.

There are 500 words there, if you think I'm going to argue about this sentence all day, you're smokin' crack.

Actually, I'll tear down the whole bill, just for you. Since your only defense for this disaster is acting like this is the perfect remedy, but, Trump.
You'll try to tear it down by what you want it to mean while refusing to listen to the man who helped write the bill who explains what it means. Typical coming from you.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 04:08 PM
I should listen to this guy 'splain it when he's lied about it over and over? No thanks, I have a brain of my own and can read the bill itself. I've watched this dolt be corrected by reporters and numerous occasions as they remind him what's actually in the bill... I'm not sure he's ever read it.

Here's that shill in a nutshell:

"The 5000 was an internet rumor".
Then... "oh, yeah, but it's not really what you think".
Then... "well, there's more than 5000 there nearly everyday anyway".

And again, he complained out loud that the Sleepy admin needed to just that number from the beginning, then it suddenly became a great idea. #onthetake
It shows an actual FOX reporter trying to grill him on it and he explains every detail. I understand that you think your own brain understands the bill better than the man who helped write it. There's a lot of that going around these days. That's a large part of the reason why we're where we are these days.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 04:13 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There was no amnesty for 10 million people included in this bill. Yet another lie.

Let me know which part confuses you... wait, let me know... nevermind.

(Don't know what happens to the copy/paste feature when copying directly from the bill pdf, none of those words had weird characters in the original text. I bet that for 150 billion they'll figure it out by 2075 though and this stuff will stop looking like bad OCR from 1985. /rant)

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9 (b) CONDITIONAL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS
10 FOR ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—
11 (1) ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO CONDITIONAL
12 PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS.—Beginning on the
13 date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary
14 may—
15 (A) adjust the status of each eligible indi16 vidual to that of an alien lawfully admitted for
17 permanent residence status, subject to the pro18 cedures established by the Secretary to deter19 mine eligibility for conditional permanent resi20 dent status; and
21 (B) create for each eligible individual a
22 record of admission to such status as of the
23 date on which the eligible individual was ini24 tially inspected and admitted or paroled into
February 4, 2024 (6:13 p.m.)
AILA Doc. No. 24020431. (Posted 2/4/24)
250
U:\2024REPT\SUPP\ENSSAA01.xml SEN. APPRO.
1 the United States, or July 30, 2021, whichever
2 is later,
3 unless the Secretary determines, on a case-by4 case basis, that such individual is subject to any
5 ground of inadmissibility under section 212 (other
6 than subsection (a)(4)) of the Immigration and Na7 tionality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182) and is not eligible for
8 a waiver of such grounds of inadmissibility as pro9 vided by this subtitle or by the immigration laws.
10 (2) CONDITIONAL BASIS.—An individual who
11 obtains lawful permanent resident status under this
12 section shall be considered, at the time of obtaining
13 the status of an alien lawfully admitted for perma14 nent residence, to have obtained such status on a
15 conditional basis subject to the provisions of this
16 section.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
It shows an actual FOX reporter trying to grill him on it and he explains every detail. I understand that you think your own brain understands the bill better than the man who helped write it. There's a lot of that going around these days. That's a large part of the reason why we're where we are these days.

Cool. I watched it.

Explain the 5000 people deal in your own words then...
He already explained it. I'm not willing to continue down the path of redundancy that you do based on nothing but how you feel about what you think it says. As they say in court, "Asked and answered."

What you or I "think and feel" about it, the man who helped write the bill explained it. And he's not a liberal democrat or even a democrat. But you have decided to listen to those who didn't write the bill and every tidbit of misinformation they've spread about it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 04:41 PM
*** Pit refuses to explain it because he CAN'T. ***

Neither can anyone one else, without admitting that this allows 5000 illegals to cross the border before anything is done.
It's been explained by the man who helped write it. I'm not stupid enough to think I know what's in it or explain it better than he can. But someone on here is.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 04:50 PM
LMFAO.

You can't explain the 5000 people deal so now you're going to act like I'm asking you to explain the whole bill?


Explain the 5000 people b.s. Pit, you've been saying it's a conspiracy theory for weeks on end.

You type 5 million words here per week. Surely you can take a sentence explain something you keep calling a lie.
It was explained in the video. There's nothing to add to it. I'm not here to please you or meet you demands. I provided the explanation in the video by the man who helped actually write the bill. You can deal with that or not. Throwing a tantrum on a message board about that isn't going to help you. Either you're willing to debate his explanation which I provided to you or you not. It's not my job to provide you with multiple explanations for the same thing.

I never called anything a conspiracy. I provided where trump told them not t pass and it and they didn't pass it. That's what's known as stating facts in their chronological order. I understand why you would have trouble understanding the difference.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:01 PM
Here, I'll help you out with the chronological Cliff notes from Lankford himself:

"The 5000 was an internet rumor".
Then... "oh, yeah, but it's not really what you think".
Then... "well, there's more than 5000 there nearly everyday anyway".

Come on, YOU CAN DO IT!
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:02 PM
"It was explained in the video" rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:05 PM
Dawglover? You still reading?

Pit refuses to explain the very thing he keeps using as "evidence".

You watched the video, what did you get from that "explanation"?
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:07 PM
Actually, I'll just go ahead and and transcribe. I mean, since it's so well explained in the video. At least that's what Pit has said 25 times...
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:09 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There was no amnesty for 10 million people included in this bill. Yet another lie.

Let me know which part confuses you... wait, let me know... nevermind.

(Don't know what happens to the copy/paste feature when copying directly from the bill pdf, none of those words had weird characters in the original text. I bet that for 150 billion they'll figure it out by 2075 though and this stuff will stop looking like bad OCR from 1985. /rant)

Quote
9 (b) CONDITIONAL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS
10 FOR ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—
11 (1) ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO CONDITIONAL
12 PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS.—Beginning on the
13 date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary
14 may—
15 (A) adjust the status of each eligible indi16 vidual to that of an alien lawfully admitted for
17 permanent residence status, subject to the pro18 cedures established by the Secretary to deter19 mine eligibility for conditional permanent resi20 dent status; and
21 (B) create for each eligible individual a
22 record of admission to such status as of the
23 date on which the eligible individual was ini24 tially inspected and admitted or paroled into
February 4, 2024 (6:13 p.m.)
AILA Doc. No. 24020431. (Posted 2/4/24)
250
U:\2024REPT\SUPP\ENSSAA01.xml SEN. APPRO.
1 the United States, or July 30, 2021, whichever
2 is later,
3 unless the Secretary determines, on a case-by4 case basis, that such individual is subject to any
5 ground of inadmissibility under section 212 (other
6 than subsection (a)(4)) of the Immigration and Na7 tionality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182) and is not eligible for
8 a waiver of such grounds of inadmissibility as pro9 vided by this subtitle or by the immigration laws.
10 (2) CONDITIONAL BASIS.—An individual who
11 obtains lawful permanent resident status under this
12 section shall be considered, at the time of obtaining
13 the status of an alien lawfully admitted for perma14 nent residence, to have obtained such status on a
15 conditional basis subject to the provisions of this
16 section.


You just going to gloss right over this, Pit?

I mean, you called me a liar, back it up. Need Lankford to explain it to you, or is the bill itself evidence enough?

Want me to timestamp your precious video where he lies about this?
The 5000 number was not being represented for what it meant. See details in the video. I don't respond to trumpian rhetoric well. But you keep trying to use it. Baiting me and acting like a bully will not work on me. I've dealt with your kind before. They generally don't fare well.

Fate... "I can't deal with the man who actually wrote the bill. I think I know more about it than him. So I want Pit to think he knows more than him too and explain what he already provided an explanation for by the man who wrote the bill!"

#wannabetoughman

Dee, dee, dee.
Sure since you think you know more than the man who wrote the bill. It was a very comprehensive immigration bill and you have done nothing but throw a tantrum about it from the beginning.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:28 PM
Why is something always a tantrum when you don't like it and can't find any bs to refute it?

Asking for a friend the entire message board.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 05:30 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There was no amnesty for 10 million people included in this bill. Yet another lie.

Let me know which part confuses you... wait, let me know... nevermind.

(Don't know what happens to the copy/paste feature when copying directly from the bill pdf, none of those words had weird characters in the original text. I bet that for 150 billion they'll figure it out by 2075 though and this stuff will stop looking like bad OCR from 1985. /rant)

Quote
9 (b) CONDITIONAL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS
10 FOR ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—
11 (1) ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO CONDITIONAL
12 PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS.—Beginning on the
13 date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary
14 may—
15 (A) adjust the status of each eligible indi16 vidual to that of an alien lawfully admitted for
17 permanent residence status, subject to the pro18 cedures established by the Secretary to deter19 mine eligibility for conditional permanent resi20 dent status; and
21 (B) create for each eligible individual a
22 record of admission to such status as of the
23 date on which the eligible individual was ini24 tially inspected and admitted or paroled into
February 4, 2024 (6:13 p.m.)
AILA Doc. No. 24020431. (Posted 2/4/24)
250
U:\2024REPT\SUPP\ENSSAA01.xml SEN. APPRO.
1 the United States, or July 30, 2021, whichever
2 is later,
3 unless the Secretary determines, on a case-by4 case basis, that such individual is subject to any
5 ground of inadmissibility under section 212 (other
6 than subsection (a)(4)) of the Immigration and Na7 tionality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182) and is not eligible for
8 a waiver of such grounds of inadmissibility as pro9 vided by this subtitle or by the immigration laws.
10 (2) CONDITIONAL BASIS.—An individual who
11 obtains lawful permanent resident status under this
12 section shall be considered, at the time of obtaining
13 the status of an alien lawfully admitted for perma14 nent residence, to have obtained such status on a
15 conditional basis subject to the provisions of this
16 section.


You just going to gloss right over this, Pit?

I mean, you called me a liar, back it up. Need Lankford to explain it to you, or is the bill itself evidence enough?

Want me to timestamp your precious video where he lies about this?

Still ignoring this?

You called me a liar, c'mon.

Call Lankford, he'll give you some creative language to deflect from the truth.
Since Lankford, who actually helped wrote this bill gave you the facts, maybe you can actually find something in the bill which shows he is lying? Or actually things in the bill itself that shows you are correct.

Just like in your own assertions.... Who are these people that qualify for permanent residence status? What steps did they have to go through to qualify? Are you suggesting that at no point should any of them qualify for that status? You like to state open ended things like that which give no actual context to who or what they are describing. Watching you flail around by saying nothing is amusing at best.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
you refuse to watch a Republican who helped write the bill explain the bill.
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listen to the man who helped write the bill who explains what it means
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he explains every detail.
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He already explained it.
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It's been explained by the man who helped write it.
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It was explained in the video.
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I provided the explanation in the video
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It's not my job to provide you with multiple explanations
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The 5000 number was not being represented for what it meant. See details in the video.

Man, that's a whole lotta deflecting. 😮


Here's the great explanation transcribed from Pit's precious video. I mean, it contains a lot of misinformation, especially the talk about immediate deportation, that's not in the bill at all. But again, his explanation about the 5000 is "it's not what you think".


It IS what you think, and has been from the beginning, it's letting 5000 cross the border everyday. If anyone can prove otherwise, I'd LOVE to hear it.


Here's the horse (one trick pony):

"Senator, how did you come up with 5000 people, is this Kyrsten Sinema's idea or did you want 5000 people everyday?"

"Let me set something straight right now. If president Trump were president right now, we wouldn't have the numbers that we have right now. But also this 5000 number has been the most misunderstood part of all of this.

This is not about 5000 people that are allowed into the country, this is about an emergency authority that kicks in above and beyond everything else. The goal is every single person is detained and deported in the process, whether it's one or whether it's 5000. But there is an extra emergency authority that gets in if we get caravans, if we have a day like yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that, or the day before that, where the border is shut down and everyone is deported, no one is even processed at all, everyone's just turned around and sent back into Mexico."



Somebody PLEASE explain to me how 5000 didn't just cross the border.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 07:37 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Who are these people that qualify for permanent residence status?
ALL of them.
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What steps did they have to go through to qualify?
None.
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Are you suggesting that at no point should any of them qualify for that status?
Not suggesting that at all, suggesting it shouldn't be automatic if the person in office decides it should be. Only if we were a country ruled by monarchy. Crap like this should never be in a "bill".


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You like to state open ended things like that which give no actual context to who or what they are describing. Watching you flail around by saying nothing is amusing at best.
I posted THE BILL ITSELF, you're embarrassing yourself again. Why don't you go read it and come back when you have a shred of intellect on the subject. Want the link??
No it's not. You act like they're going to let these people free into the U.S. That's not what this bill says. They will be processed and sent back unless they reach this "new threshold" which is much more restrictive on who qualifies form asylum. The bill funds more immigration judges to process these people and once they get above 5000 people a day they can no longer handle the flow. Explain to me how that adds 5000 people into the U.S.? The added judges will make the hearing process move much more quickly and those who even meet the qualifications will get a much swifter hearing to determine if they even meet that status.

Your only point is that they will cross the border to be processed. By and large they won't be staying. Somehow that doesn't meet your unrealistic expectations and fear tactics of the far right extremists.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/01/24 07:40 PM
Wrong again.

The bill adds no judges. It changes the paradigm and hires "asylum officers" to stand there and check boxes on a clipboard before they're released.

Do you know ANYTHING about this bill?
All of them? Based on what? It plainly states,
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CONDITIONAL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS
10 FOR ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.

You blatantly just make $#!+ up and them claim I'm the one embarrassing myself?
FACT SHEET: Impact of Bipartisan Border Agreement Funding on Border Operations

Today there is funding for 734 immigration judges, the bipartisan Senate bill would provide funding for an additional 100 immigration judges and their associated staff. Combatting Drug Trafficking: We continue our fight against the trafficking of fentanyl and other illicit drugs.

The bill pitting Biden against Trump would allocate more than $20 billion to the border
The legislation rejected by Republicans would provide funding for border patrols, asylum officers, immigration judges and reception facilities

https://english.elpais.com/usa/elec...-more-than-20-billion-to-the-border.html
Originally Posted by FATE
It actually reeks of totally ignoring what's in the bill...


The proof is right there from the first question about the NGOs.

"Sure, we're going to give them more money, but not until...
More deportation flights
More detention beds
Till we hire more ICE officers
Till we hire more Border Patrol officers
Till we implement tougher standards
So that money is held till there is full implementation in other areas".


You're a smart man, how fast do expect all that will take place? And consider Lankford's following statement (his disclaimer about the 5000 number)...

"Every single person is detained and deported in the process, whether it's one or it's 5000".

So this magical infrastructure that is going to appear at the border will change the time span from 6 years to "immediately". And it will do that instantaneously?

Does this cat sell bridges as well?


And BTW, his claim that there is a "mandatory shutdown" at 5000 is a complete and utter lie. No excuse for that crap either since he wrote the bill. The shutdown or "Emergency Powers"...

* Do not affect ports of entry
* Can be ignored by Biden if deemed "not in our national interests"
* Leave the border wide open for undefined "Humanitarian Exceptions"
* And then there's a blanket disclaimer at the end that Team Sleepy retains power to "opt out" on ALL limits on migrant numbers. saywhat

And since he did a good job of explaining the 5000 people rule, please explain how you understood that to work?

And then he lies again when he ignores the question about the ten million that already crossed and says "Nope, actually we're trying to focus on how to secure the border right now and how to have implementation long term. No question, people that are in the interior that are here illegally can all be deported".

So I guess he just forgot about the part where AUTOMATIC "Conditional Permanent Resident" status granted for ALL who entered after July 2021?

This bill is a sham, he's a shill and a shyster. He himself, early in this 9 month odyssey, said the Biden Admin was going to have to bend on this huge (5000) number if there was any hope of getting this passed. They DID NOT but suddenly he says it's a good idea. I know it seems shady, and otherworldly, but maybe he has some self-serving interests at stake here? (No way!)

So everyone can keep screaming "Bipartisan!" all they want because there was a idiot with an (R) next to his name behind these closed doors (God forbid they talk to anyone who actually deals with this mess on a daily basis), but that has nothing to do with a rotten, one-sided bill that doesn't do anything to secure the border.

What. A. Joke.


I appreciate what you're saying. Maybe it should have been you interviewing him, bro. When I look at that interview, Bartiromo obviously had an axe to grind with him, and given her affiliation to Trump and the Republicans who vehemently opposed the legislation, I would have expected her to go harder in the paint on the points you brought up, but she ended up looking foolish, and gave off the impression that he was more in the right than not.
She used the strongest talking points they had and failed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...cartels-rancher-rape-trees-migrants.html

17 dead bodies, rape trees and migrants crawling on his land: Arizona rancher armed with a Glock describes life on the frontlines of the border crisis as Republicans push bill to allow landowners to shoot trespassers
Looks like an article trying to make murdering illegals, legal to me.
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/04/24 07:20 PM
Appeals court reverses order blocking Texas immigration law, setting up Supreme Court showdown

If the U.S. Supreme Court doesn’t intervene in the coming days, the law making illegal entry a state crime could go into effect this weekend.

BY URIEL J. GARCÍA
MARCH 4, 2024
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National Guard members tell migrants that they cannot cross through that area and that they need to walk until the end of the property to turn themselves in Eagle Pass, Texas on July 29, 2023. As there is concertina wire installed along the Urbina’s property, migrants are told to walk to the end of the property. Many make that walk which can be difficult to do through slippery rocks in the water, the current and the inclined river bank, while some find spots through the concertina wire and manage to get through. Some will be sent back after being arrested for trespassing private property without allowing them to go through the immigration process in the U.S.
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National Guard members tell migrants that they cannot cross the concertina wire barrier and must to walk to another area to surrender to authorities in Eagle Pass on July 29, 2023. Credit: Verónica Gabriela Cárdenas for The Texas Tribune
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The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals late Saturday reversed a lower court’s ruling that halted a new state law allowing Texas police to arrest people suspected of crossing the Texas-Mexico border illegally.

The New Orleans-based appeals court immediately paused its order for seven days to give the federal government time to appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court. If the higher court doesn’t intervene, the new law could go into effect on Saturday as the legal battle continues.

The appeals court also said that it will schedule oral arguments on its next available date. As of Monday, that date hasn’t been announced.

The 5th Circuit ruling came a day after U.S. District Judge David Ezra in Austin blocked Senate Bill 4 from going into effect, saying the law “threatens the fundamental notion that the United States must regulate immigration with one voice.”

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Gov. Greg Abbott signed SB 4 in December, marking Texas’ latest attempt to try to deter people from crossing the Rio Grande after several years of historic numbers of migrants arriving at the Texas-Mexico border.

SB 4 seeks to make illegally crossing the border a Class B misdemeanor, carrying a punishment of up to six months in jail. Repeat offenders could face a second-degree felony with a punishment of two to 20 years in prison.

The law also requires state judges to order migrants returned to Mexico if they are convicted; local law enforcement would be responsible for transporting migrants to the border. A judge could drop the charges if a migrant agrees to return to Mexico voluntarily.

In December, ​​the American Civil Liberties Union, the ACLU of Texas and the Texas Civil Rights Project sued Texas on behalf of El Paso County and two immigrant rights organizations — El Paso-based Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center and Austin-based American Gateways — over the new state law. The following month, the U.S. Department of Justice filed its lawsuit against Texas. The lawsuits have since been combined.

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The court proceedings come during a presidential election year when immigration has been top of mind for many voters. Former President Donald Trump has bashed President Joe Biden for his immigration policies, saying he has incentivized illegal immigration. Biden has created some narrow paths for migrants to enter the U.S. legally with policies that seek to deter migrants from entering the country illegally.


https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/04/texas-sb4-illegal-immigration-law-5th-circuit-court-ruling/
The SCOTUS has already ruled that immigration is under federal authority in the last lawsuit where it ruled Texas was interfering with Border Patrol doing its job. This is simply more political posturing by Abbott.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/04/24 07:49 PM
This is political posturing by Abbott?
Posted By: Pdawg Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/04/24 07:53 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
This is political posturing by Abbott?

Abbott now controls the 5th District Court of Appeals.
Originally Posted by FATE
This is political posturing by Abbott?

Most certainly. SCOTUS made it clear in their previous ruling that enforcing immigration law was under federal authority and the state shouldn't be interfering. Both sides do things like this all thew time. Don't take this as me saying only Republicans do this.
Originally Posted by Pdawg
Originally Posted by FATE
This is political posturing by Abbott?

Abbott now controls the 5th District Court of Appeals.

Both sides pretty much control different courts in different places. Everyone knows this. What they don't control is juries when a jury is called for.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/04/24 08:00 PM
Gotcha.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 12:19 AM
Seems about right. Dude is in charge of 21,000 people. There is an unmitigated disaster unfolding. Not a single conversation.

I cannot say I'm even surprised by this.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ram-national-security-vulnerability.html

Biden Admin secretly flew 320,000 illegals into the US. Wtf
I say don't let anyone in until they pass a few basic requirements. Have the same requirements that other countries have.

I think people can go to the U.S. Immigration Service website, follow the procedures, then be considered for entry.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 02:59 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ram-national-security-vulnerability.html

Biden Admin secretly flew 320,000 illegals into the US. Wtf

Seriously? Why is the rest of the world reporting this and not any media in the US? If true, this is the biggest bombshell in the 3+ years of this failed presidency.

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The federal offense of immigrant smuggling is a very serious offense that could lead to serious prison time. If you are arrested for illegally transporting an undocumented alien, you could face up to ten (10) years in federal prison. The amount of time you are facing depends on a number of factors.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ram-national-security-vulnerability.html

Biden Admin secretly flew 320,000 illegals into the US. Wtf

I read the article and I'm confused about 1 thing. Ignoring the part about whether flying that amount of people into the country and turning them loose is a good idea or not... are they actually here illegally if they followed procedure and used the app? I'm asking an honest question (may be a dumb question, but I'm asking sincerely). The article isn't clear whether the program is against the law or not.

IMO, making it so people follow the rules in terms of entering and potentially staying in this country is a key step to finally getting the illegal alien situation under control. We can definitely argue the merits of the how and how many in the situation laid out in the article and I'm not trying to get around that.
The key part of your post. If true


At least you realize that the entire things sounds absurd.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 04:53 PM
Absurd as it may seem -- it's true.
And in this post you correctly used the term "may 'seem' it's true". Which seems to be all it takes to be believed by millions upon millions of people these days.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
And in this post you correctly used the term "may 'seem' it's true". Which seems to be all it takes to be believed by millions upon millions of people these days.

Are you daft?

The "may seem" is in relation to how YOU may feel about it.

You said "sounds absurd". That implies sounds absurd to YOU. I merely said "may seem" so as to not imply that that would "sound absurd" to everyone. See just above in Oober's post -- this may not "sound absurd" to him as he's questioning a different aspect.

To sum up something that wouldn't "seem" to need summation...

IT'S TRUE... whether you think it's absurd or not is up to you. I'm not trying to mask language to sell something untrue as beingtrue.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The key part of your post. If true


At least you realize that the entire things sounds absurd.

Um........here's the headline: Biden administration ADMITS flying 320,000 migrants secretly into the U.S. to reduce the number of crossings at the border has national security 'vulnerabilities'

I would say it's true.
I'm sure you would. It's not as if we don't see headlines that are misleading or do not match up with the content of the article quite often. It's odd that you're the very same person who refutes things written in books because "They're just trying to sell a book" when you don't like what they say. Now suddenly a headline because it says something you wish to believe. Funny how things work isn't it?

Can you show any actual facts that back up what that headline says besides, "Yeah but the headline says so"?
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm sure you would. It's not as if we don't see headlines that are misleading or do not match up with the content of the article quite often. It's odd that you're the very same person who refutes things written in books because "They're just trying to sell a book" when you don't like what they say. Now suddenly a headline because it says something you wish to believe. Funny how things work isn't it?

Can you show any actual facts that back up what that headline says besides, "Yeah but the headline says so"?


Joe Biden's administration has admitted transporting migrants on secret flights into the U.S. and lawyers for its immigration agencies claim revealing the locations could create national security 'vulnerabilities'.


You could try reading the article. It's literally the first sentence.
That's the claim they're making. Just because that's the claim they're making doesn't make that claim a fact. No wonder people are so easily misled. All it takes is "Yeah but they said it's true."

I've posted all kinds of articles that show what trump has done with far more details than "someone claimed it" and you claim it's all a bunch of lies.

That's what happenes when you believe what you want to and refuse to believe what you don't want to.

I have no idea if these claims are true or not. But reading someone say "Joe Biden's administration has admitted transporting migrants on secret flights into the U.S. and lawyers for its immigration agencies claim revealing the locations could create national security 'vulnerabilities'." is not evidence that it actually happened.
So youre denying the facts as they exist.
I'm denying that accusations are facts. For some people all they need are is accusation to claim something is a fact. For most people that isn't complicated.

As I said before, based on what was posted I have no idea if this is true or not. Only in your world is that considered a denial.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 08:16 PM
Originally Posted by oobernoober
Originally Posted by EveDawg
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ram-national-security-vulnerability.html

Biden Admin secretly flew 320,000 illegals into the US. Wtf

I read the article and I'm confused about 1 thing. Ignoring the part about whether flying that amount of people into the country and turning them loose is a good idea or not... are they actually here illegally if they followed procedure and used the app? I'm asking an honest question (may be a dumb question, but I'm asking sincerely). The article isn't clear whether the program is against the law or not.

IMO, making it so people follow the rules in terms of entering and potentially staying in this country is a key step to finally getting the illegal alien situation under control. We can definitely argue the merits of the how and how many in the situation laid out in the article and I'm not trying to get around that.

It would seem that they've created an end around to making it "legal". Amidst the millions crossing the southern border, Biden decided we still weren't harvesting enough new voters.

In short, they've made the CBP One app (meant to request appointments) a "pick me up at baggage" button.


They're just bypassing the entire asylum application process the same way they are at the border.

"Too busy to check, just come on in" means these people flying in are given immediate parole. The parole program allows for two-years of legal status during which adults are eligible for work authorization.


Here's how it works:
CBP One tells them which international airports are available.
Individual (or cartel) is responsible for travel to approved airport.
Upon arrival, you sign into ICE wifi and apply for meeting.
ICE picks you up and escorts you across to America.
Since there is no way to accommodate asylum requests, individual is given automatic two year parole.
Now "legal" immigrant picks any one of the 43 airports in the US to be flown to. (Don't worry, we keep these top secret to keep them safe)

"You know, come to think of it Joe, this will probably be the prefered way to "rescue" the hot chicks (dudes, kids, other+) and sell them directly into trafficking. Genius!"


They just circumvented and turned inside-out the entire immigration process... with a phone app. While brain-dead libs say they need an act of congress to close a border, and a SCOTUS ruling to put up concertina wire.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm sure you would. It's not as if we don't see headlines that are misleading or do not match up with the content of the article quite often.
Correct. We see that quite a bit. Usually from your links.
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It's odd that you're the very same person who refutes things written in books because "They're just trying to sell a book" when you don't like what they say. Now suddenly a headline because it says something you wish to believe. Funny how things work isn't it?
Well, the headline, as well as the article.
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Can you show any actual facts that back up what that headline says besides, "Yeah but the headline says so"?

Try reading the article. Weird how that works, isn't it?

Oh, and the book reference: Books are written with opinion. Some parts may be facts, some may be partial facts, and some parts may be lies.

Articles written by REAL journalists rely on facts. Period. We don't have much in this country in the way of REAL journalists.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm denying that accusations are facts. For some people all they need are is accusation to claim something is a fact. For most people that isn't complicated.

As I said before, based on what was posted I have no idea if this is true or not. Only in your world is that considered a denial.

You wouldn't admit a fact if it smacked you in the face.

THIS IS A FACT.

This story came out last September after the Center for Immigration Studies sued the Department of Homeland Security for the documents on the program, up to that point 210,000 had been "processed".



Biden’s DHS let 200,000 illegal immigrants fly directly into 43 cities
By
Paul Bedard
September 21, 2023 12:49 pm

The Biden administration has unleashed a new program to boost illegal immigration that allows immigrants to fly directly from their hometowns into a U.S. city of their choice, according to newly obtained records.

Instead of rushing the Texas border, the program lets immigrants use the administration’s app to pick a destination, buy an airline ticket, and fly in unseen on what amounts to ghost flights.

According to the Center for Immigration Studies, which sued the Department of Homeland Security for the documents on the program, over 210,000 have been processed since January. That is a population the size of Rochester, New York, or Des Moines, Iowa.

“DHS cajoles tens of thousands of intending illegal border-crossers per month to instead go on the CBP One smartphone application, and make an appointment with U.S. officials at land ports of entry instead of crossing illegally. After making an appointment, DHS invites these inadmissible aliens to walk over to the American side at the land ports, where U.S. Customs officials quickly ‘parole’ them in, allowing them to travel to a city of their choice in the nation’s interior,” the report from immigration analyst Todd Bensman said.

He has made a name for himself by reporting on the crisis from both sides of the border. This new report is among his most shocking, as the Biden team is dealing with a new emergency at the border in which tens of thousands are flooding weekly.

While those are seen by news cameras, those flying in directly are not. And the DHS is hiding where they are going. “U.S. Customs officers parole them into the nation, sight unseen, and in numbers publicly unknown,” the CIS said.

Bensman said the documents he received provide the total numbers of immigrants and where they have flown in from but do not identify any of the 43 cities they have touched down in. The department said identifying cities is a security problem.

The report shared with Secrets said some cities are seeing massive numbers of illegal immigrants fly in. One unidentified city, presumably Miami, has received the bulk of the flights, Bensman said.

“Haitians flew into U.S. airports in the greatest numbers from January through mid-September, a total of 76,582. These Haitians favored one redacted airport over all 36 into which they have flown. Some 47,768 flew into that airport,” the report said.

“The program was offered to Venezuelans a few months earlier, in October 2022. Since then, 63,360 flew into 43 airports, some 39,474 of them into one preferred airport. Some 46,794 Cubans flew into 41 airports, the majority of them, 33,355, favoring one in particular,” it added.

Bensman’s report said, “It’s likely that the preferred airport in all these cases was Miami, but we won’t know for sure unless CBP provides the unredacted information.”

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-immigrants-fly-directly-into-43-cities/
Yet you claim it's fake news when you don't like the information. You label every journalist that reports what you don't like as fake or liberal because of what they write. So in all of your blathering all you really have is "read the article"? You claim the articles I post are misleading while the articles you agree with are written by "real journalists".

Sometimes I don't think you hear yourself. And BTW these journalists you speak of have every incentive to get internet hits, clicks and popularity to further their careers just like the authors of books do. Just some information it seems you need to hear.
Incorrect, yet again. Both sides, in the u.s., are biased.

It's why I prefer to get news from foreign press most of the time.

You: "Sometimes I don't think you hear yourself".

Cool. ALL of the time you twist and turn, and post post post post post post post. So much so, you don't even remember half of what you post.
I'm much better at remembering what I post than the accusations you make of what I posted. So is your answer then that you only consider "foreign journalists" to be REAL journalists?

Once again you seem very focused on me rather than addressing any of the actual topics posted. That says far more about you than it does me. But please, do go on with your personal tirade. It's very telling.
Madness and mayhem in camp cuckoo… GOPers got a plan, don’t worry… famous last words.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 09:54 PM
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Madness and mayhem in camp cuckoo…

No truer words ever spoken about Biden's border catastrophe. 👏
I wonder if folks out there have thought that maybe we are looking at the immigration issue all wrong.

How many times in recent months have you walked into a fast food place and waited forever to get service? For whatever reason, we can't get workers to work. No matter what we pay them. Let's face it, lots of those workers (mostly teens) have found a better way to make a buck. Mostly on the Net.. Tiktoc, instagram etc.

Unlike Trump and his right wing ship of fools, I'm not convinced that all these immigrants are bad people. Most are looking for a better life. So why not find a way to use them.

Ever hear that phrase, if life gives you lemons, make lemonade!

Well, we could put them to work. It will take a huge effort to qualify them, but once completed, we would have an instant workforce. They'll need trained of course.. but why not!
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm sure you would. It's not as if we don't see headlines that are misleading or do not match up with the content of the article quite often. It's odd that you're the very same person who refutes things written in books because "They're just trying to sell a book" when you don't like what they say. Now suddenly a headline because it says something you wish to believe. Funny how things work isn't it?

Can you show any actual facts that back up what that headline says besides, "Yeah but the headline says so"?


Joe Biden's administration has admitted transporting migrants on secret flights into the U.S. and lawyers for its immigration agencies claim revealing the locations could create national security 'vulnerabilities'.


You could try reading the article. It's literally the first sentence.


They have flown 100o's to Chattanooga. I wake up early....like 2AM, and have a flight tracker app. I have seen many planes landing at 2-3AM, registered to a contractor known to bring is aliens. You can track the light path from south Texas to Tennessee.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/wrap-up-biden-administrations-policies-have-fueled-worst-border-crisis-in-u-s-history%EF%BF%BC/

Wrap Up: Biden Administration’s Policies Have Fueled Worst Border Crisis in U.S. History
Witness testifies “President Biden is the first President to ever un-secure a border on purpose.”

WASHINGTON—Today, the House Committee on Oversight and Accountability held a hearing titled “The Biden Administration’s Regulatory and Policymaking Efforts to Undermine U.S. Immigration Law.”Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) and Committee Republicans discussed how President Biden and his Administration’s radical policies and regulatory actions sparked the worst border crisis in American history. Immigration policy and law enforcement experts testified how the unilateral decisions by this Administration are fueling unprecedented illegal immigration and jeopardizing border security. Lawmakers concluded that the Biden Administration must prioritize returning to deterrent-focused policies to protect Americans and curtail the unprecedented flow of migrants, narcotics, and crime at the southern border.

Key Takeaways:

The Biden Administration sparked the worst border crisis in American history and placed Americans’ lives at risk by abandoning deterrent-focused immigration policies and proven border enforcement tools.

Mr. Thomas D. Homan, Retired Acting Director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE): “President Biden is the first President to ever un-secure a border on purpose. The current administration’s failure to enforce and uphold the laws as written by Congress are not just matters of legal debate but have led to unimaginable suffering and death for Americans and migrants alike… For three years, this Administration has directed and overseen the implementation of an open-borders agenda that has resulted in a national security, humanitarian, public health, and public safety catastrophe unlike any we have ever witnessed at America’s borders.”
Mr. Joseph B. Edlow, Former Acting Director and Chief Counsel of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS): “The Biden Administration has waged war against the immigration system of the United States. The results speak for themselves. As each memorandum, regulatory action, or policy decision is announced, the crisis at the southwest border grows exponentially. There is a direct correlation between these policies and the exploding number of encounters, the number of known (and unknown) got-aways, and backlogs at both [USCIS] and the immigration courts.”
The Biden Administration continues to double down on failed immigration policies and now seeks to needlessly waste billions of taxpayer dollars on a border crisis their policies created.

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer: “President Biden and his Administration have refused to take any responsibility for a catastrophe they created. And now the Biden Administration is doing what it does best—asking taxpayers for more money. But more money isn’t going to solve much on the border. Because what we are seeing isn’t a money problem. It’s a policy problem. A blank check doesn’t mean more detention and removals of illegal aliens, which is what is needed to stem this crisis. A blank check means more Biden Administration policies undermining U.S. immigration law. A blank check means even faster releases of more illegal aliens into the interior of the country. A blank check means more agency memos and rulemaking to undermine the rule of immigration law in this country.”
Witnesses testified how Border Patrol agents are doing their best to stem the flow of illegal immigration but continue to struggle to secure the border.

Mr. Homan: “To put this into context, all one must do is look at CBP’s own data that shows total enforcement actions in FY20 was approximately 646,000. The next full year under Biden we tripled that number to 1.9 million followed the next year with 2.7 million and then in FY23, 3.2 million. When you have those kinds of encounters, it overwhelms the Border Patrol to the point where they have pulled up to 100% of agents off patrol to come in and process these large groups, which leaves hundreds of miles of border with no security and not a single agent on watch.”
The Biden Administration must prioritize deterrent-focused policies and provide the men and women protecting our border and enforcing our immigration laws the necessary tools and resources to combat this ongoing national security and humanitarian crisis.

House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer: “Fiscal Year 2022 set records for the number of arrests of illegal border crossers, the number of migrants who died making the journey, the number of dangerous narcotics seized, and even the number of suspected terrorists arrested trying to illegally cross the border. This administration must do more to protect our southern border. They must do more to protect the American people.”
Member Highlights:

Chairman James Comer opened the hearing by stating the House Oversight Committee and Homeland Security Committee recently released a joint report containing interviews with CBP agents on the frontlines of the Biden border crisis.

Chairman Comer: “The border crisis has continued to deepen—affecting almost every American. Alongside the Homeland Security Committee, the Oversight Committee has been investigating the border crisis, interviewing Chief Border Patrol agents from every sector along the southwest border. We released a staff report yesterday describing their experiences and detailing the hardships of attempting to protect a border without the support of the Biden Administration.

Chairman Comer also emphasized Oversight Committee Republicans have traveled to the border multiple times to witness the crisis firsthand. He stressed how Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Office of Field Operations (OFO) officers and Border Patrol agents are actively struggling to secure the border.



Chairman Comer: “Mr. Homan, we’ve traveled to the border, the majority members of this committee, several times. We’ve heard many complaints from our Border Patrol agents, can you describe how the Biden Administration has hampered the ability of ICE officers and ICE prosecutors to enforce immigration laws?”

Mr. Homan: “Yes, I will. The biggest thing about the border, when you cause a crisis this big, when you make promises that you can enter the country illegally, you’ll be released quickly, because this Administration is not enforcing the law, the only thing they have done is send more resources to the border to process quicker and release quicker. Because they care about the optics. When you do that, more are going to come. So, when they overwhelm the border patrol, I can tell you right now, in the last several months there have been times that certain sectors on the southwest border, 100% of border patrol agents were pulled off patrol, to come in and process.”

Representative Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) noted the unprecedented flow of illegal immigration and pointed out that the Biden Administration is releasing illegal aliens into the United States at an alarming rate.



Rep. Grothman: “I want to just clarify some numbers here. We need to understand the size of this issue. As I understand it, in December, over 300,000 people entered this country and were allowed in or were gotaways…and when the last administration left office, that number was depending on the month, 5 to 20,000. So, it’s increased by a factor of about 30 to 1. Is that accurate? 30 times more people coming into the interior of this country compared to two years ago?”

Mr. Homan: “Total encounters are five times as many under this Administration than Trump. And the gentlemen to my left talks about percentages of people removed under Trump versus under Biden, here’s the difference: percentages of 2.3 million is a lot different than the percentage of 646. It’s not about percentages, it’s about how many people are released in the country and there’s zero comparison between the Trump Administration and the Biden Administration.”

Representative Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) exposed how the Biden Administration intentionally stripped successful border enforcement policies and the President’s open border agenda is designed to incentivize illegal immigration.



Rep. Jordan: “So you said earlier, both you and Mr. Edlow, said this is by design. This is intentional and I think I got it right that you said three main things about this Administration: stop building the wall, get rid of ‘remain in Mexico’, and release people when they get here. And that incentivizes people to come from, I believe you said 181 different countries. Because they know there is no wall to get over, there’s no wait in Mexico and they’re going to get released to wherever they want to go, is that right?”

Mr. Homan: “Absolutely, the first few days in office, President Biden signed over 90 executive orders abolishing all the policies that were proven effective based on numbers.”

Representative Virginia Foxx (R-N.C.) highlighted how President Biden’s executive orders and regulatory actions enabled illegal aliens to enter the country.



Rep. Foxx: “Mr. Edlow, do you have anything that you would like to add to the comments Mr. Homan has made in conjunction with why we don’t need additional laws and what we can do to make sure the laws that exist are enforced?”

Mr. Edlow: “As Mr. Homan said, the previous Administration used everything that was available whether it be remain in Mexico program, whether it be the asylum cooperative agreements with Central American partners, whether it be other programs that allowed the U.S. to quickly intake, process in for expedited removal of individuals from certain countries and make sure they had all due process within just a matter of days and make sure they were in front of an immigration judge within a matter of days. What I find kind of amusing is the circumvention of lawful pathways and notice of proposed rulemaking by the Biden Administration noted that there were no alternatives available to what they were proposing, and they noted that, such as an asylum cooperative agreement and remain in Mexico were not viable options because there was no time to negotiate them. Why I find that amusing is because the Trump Administration did negotiate them, they were working and the Biden Administration pulled them back, ended them, destroyed them, and now they’re saying, ‘well we don’t have any alternative because we can’t do that.’ It’s just not the way.”

Representative Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) emphasized cartels are leveraging the chaos at the border by creating diversions at the expense of human life to traffic dangerous narcotics like fentanyl across the southern border.



Rep. Biggs: “Let’s talk about fentanyl. 90% that we interdict is at a port of entry. If you’ve never been down to the border and literally driven for 30 miles, you don’t even see a CBP agent, why? Because they’re processing people, and you know the number of people that are coming across that don’t want to be caught. You got to understand…that it’s between the port of entry where people are bringing the fentanyl in. Is that not true Mr. Homan?”

Mr. Homan: “I spent three decades investigating criminal cartels who smuggle narcotics into the United States. They will use the route of least resistance. Will they go through a port of entry where every vehicle is stopped, driver spoken to…between the ports of entry when 70 to 90% of agents are off the line, and in several instances, no one is on the line, that’s when the criminal cartel is going to move the fentanyl.”

Representative Michael Waltz (R-Fla.) pointed out the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has released many illegal aliens into the United States and reiterated that terrorist and cartel organizations are taking advantage of the Biden Administration’s open border agenda.



Rep. Waltz: “Just look at the numbers and do the math, we’ve got just in two months DHS released 257,000, a quarter million, enough to fill entire stadiums. I’m for legal immigration or orderly immigration, however this Administration is espousing polices that invite people to come however they can and 40% by gangs and cartels and by smugglers. They are forever scarred and abused by these policies.”

Representative Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) described how DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is failing his basic responsibilities by empowering drug cartels and terrorist organizations. DHS is charged by statute with preventing terrorist entry and securing the border.



Rep. Mace: “Can you explain how directives from Secretary Mayorkas have empowered drug cartels?”

Mr. Edlow: “Certainly, the directives starting with the halting of deportation the first day of the Biden Administration then moving on to the enforcement priorities under Secretary Mayorkas have made it so that drug cartels know that the majority of people that they help to come across for one reason or another…are not going to be the subject of deportation or enforcement actions and ultimately it’s going to help the cartels gain a greater foothold in the country.”

Rep. Mace: “Do you believe Secretary Mayorkas actions and directives violate federal law and his oath of office?”

Mr. Edlow: “I believe that the actions in terms of regulations have made the border significantly less secure, they are in violation of the law, and I do believe it is dereliction of duty to have signed off on regulations that have done that.”

Representative Michael Cloud (R-Texas) noted how the Biden Administration’s open border policies are negatively impacting children. The Biden Administration has lost track of over 100,000 migrant children and many are being exploited.



Rep. Cloud: “A lot has been made of family separation, and you have mentioned it but if you could mention again, how many children has the Biden Administration lost and can you speak to the lives lost on the journey as well and the human side?”

Mr. Homan: “Nearly 100,000 children are missing. This Administration released to so-called sponsors, we can’t find them, but we do know we’ve found many working the midnight shift at a meatpacking plants, many of them forced labor. Many are in indentured servitude. We know that we’ve lost right around 1,700 aliens have died making this trip, that’s not counting the Darien Gap which is thousands between Mexico and Central America. When you make promises that you can cross this border illegally, you’ll get released, you’ll get work authorization, you can’t be removed because ICE can’t remove somebody that’s in the country legally for being here illegally, the Secretary said that. When you make those promises…the most vulnerable people in the world are going to put themselves in harm’s way of the cartels.”

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Proclamation on the Termination Of Emergency With Respect To The Southern Border Of The United States And Redirection Of Funds Diverted To Border Wall Construction

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

A PROCLAMATION

Like every nation, the United States has a right and a duty to secure its borders and protect its people against threats. But building a massive wall that spans the entire southern border is not a serious policy solution. It is a waste of money that diverts attention from genuine threats to our homeland security. My Administration is committed to ensuring that the United States has a comprehensive and humane immigration system that operates consistently with our Nation’s values. In furtherance of that commitment, I have determined that the declaration of a national emergency at our southern border in Proclamation 9844 of February 15, 2019 (Declaring a National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States), was unwarranted. It shall be the policy of my Administration that no more American taxpayer dollars be diverted to construct a border wall. I am also directing a careful review of all resources appropriated or redirected to construct a southern border wall.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., President of the United States of America, by the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 202 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), hereby declare that the national emergency declared by Proclamation 9844, and continued on February 13, 2020 (85 Fed. Reg. 8715), and January 15, 2021, is terminated and that the authorities invoked in that proclamation will no longer be used to construct a wall at the southern border. I hereby further direct as follows:

Section 1. Pause in Construction and Obligation of Funds. (a) The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, shall direct the appropriate officials within their respective departments to:

(i) pause work on each construction project on the southern border wall, to the extent permitted by law, as soon as possible but in no case later than seven days from the date of this proclamation, to permit:

(A) assessment of the legality of the funding and contracting methods used to construct the wall;

(B) assessment of the administrative and contractual consequences of ceasing each wall construction project; and

(C) completion and implementation of the plan developed in accordance with section 2 of this proclamation;

(ii) pause immediately the obligation of funds related to construction of the southern border wall, to the extent permitted by law; and

(iii) compile detailed information on all southern border wall construction contracts, the completion status of each wall construction project, and the funds used for wall construction since February 15, 2019, including directly appropriated funds and funds drawn from the Treasury Forfeiture Fund (31 U.S.C. 9705(g)(4)(B)), the Department of Defense Drug Interdiction and Counter-Drug Activities account (10 U.S.C. 284), and the Department of Defense Military Construction account (pursuant to the emergency authorities in 10 U.S.C. 2808(a) and 33 U.S.C. 2293(a)).

(b) The pause directed in subsection (a)(i) of this section shall apply to wall projects funded by redirected funds as well as wall projects funded by direct appropriations. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security may make an exception to the pause, however, for urgent measures needed to avert immediate physical dangers or where an exception is required to ensure that funds appropriated by the Congress fulfill their intended purpose.

Sec. 2. Plan for Redirecting Funding and Repurposing Contracts. The Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security, in coordination with the Secretary of the Treasury, the Attorney General, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, and the heads of any other appropriate executive departments and agencies, and in consultation with the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, shall develop a plan for the redirection of funds concerning the southern border wall, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law. The process of developing the plan shall include consideration of terminating or repurposing contracts with private contractors engaged in wall construction, while providing for the expenditure of any funds that the Congress expressly appropriated for wall construction, consistent with their appropriated purpose. The plan shall be developed within 60 days from the date of this proclamation. After the plan is developed, the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all appropriate steps to resume, modify, or terminate projects and to otherwise implement the plan.

Sec. 3. Definition. Consistent with Executive Order 13767 of January 25, 2017 (Border Security and Immigration Enforcement Improvements), for the purposes of this proclamation, “wall” means a contiguous, physical wall or other similarly secure, contiguous, and impassable physical barrier.

Sec. 4. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or

(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This proclamation shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.

(c) This proclamation is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twentieth day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand twenty-one, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and forty-fifth.

JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/05/24 11:49 PM
Originally Posted by Damanshot
I wonder if folks out there have thought that maybe we are looking at the immigration issue all wrong.

How many times in recent months have you walked into a fast food place and waited forever to get service? For whatever reason, we can't get workers to work. No matter what we pay them. Let's face it, lots of those workers (mostly teens) have found a better way to make a buck. Mostly on the Net.. Tiktoc, instagram etc.

Unlike Trump and his right wing ship of fools, I'm not convinced that all these immigrants are bad people. Most are looking for a better life. So why not find a way to use them.

Ever hear that phrase, if life gives you lemons, make lemonade!

Well, we could put them to work. It will take a huge effort to qualify them, but once completed, we would have an instant workforce. They'll need trained of course.. but why not!

So just keep taking away inner-city rec centers, high schools, stadiums, high rise hotels, community centers, etc...

Fill them to capacity.

Then "qualify them and put them to work".

And then have the kids just make money on TikTok??


Sounds like an aggressive plan.

Ever hear the phrase: if you open your chimney and fill your entire house with lemons, you'll never make it to the fridge for that ice cold lemonade?
Originally Posted by Damanshot
I wonder if folks out there have thought that maybe we are looking at the immigration issue all wrong.

How many times in recent months have you walked into a fast food place and waited forever to get service? For whatever reason, we can't get workers to work. No matter what we pay them. Let's face it, lots of those workers (mostly teens) have found a better way to make a buck. Mostly on the Net.. Tiktoc, instagram etc.

Unlike Trump and his right wing ship of fools, I'm not convinced that all these immigrants are bad people. Most are looking for a better life. So why not find a way to use them.

Ever hear that phrase, if life gives you lemons, make lemonade!

Well, we could put them to work. It will take a huge effort to qualify them, but once completed, we would have an instant workforce. They'll need trained of course.. but why not!

Originally Posted by FATE
Ever hear the phrase: if you open your chimney and fill your entire house with lemons, you'll never make it to the fridge for that ice cold lemonade?

Nope, don't think I ever heard that one.
The guy doesn't need a bill to secure the border. He has fiddle farted around for four years, now all of a sudden he is pushing for border security..a crappy bill to boot.
Originally Posted by FATE
Ever hear the phrase: if you open your chimney and fill your entire house with lemons, you'll never make it to the fridge for that ice cold lemonade?

notallthere
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
The guy doesn't need a bill to secure the border. He has fiddle farted around for four years, now all of a sudden he is pushing for border security..a crappy bill to boot.

You do realize to hire more immigration judges, to hire more border patrol agents, to fund building more of the wall, more detention centers and so on actually have to be funded with MONEY that only congress can approve funding for. But obviously they didn't want these things.....

Quote
“The border security bill will put a huge number of new enforcement tools in the hands of a future administration and push the current Administration to finally stop the illegal flow. The bill provides funding to build the wall, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, more agents, and more deportation flights. The border security bill ends the abuse of parole on our southwest border that has waived in over a million people. It dramatically changes our ambiguous asylum laws by conducting fast screenings at a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

https://www.lankford.senate.gov/new...-with-huge-wins-for-securing-the-border/
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Ever hear the phrase: if you open your chimney and fill your entire house with lemons, you'll never make it to the fridge for that ice cold lemonade?

notallthere

Exaaactly.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 03:23 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
The guy doesn't need a bill to secure the border. He has fiddle farted around for four years, now all of a sudden he is pushing for border security..a crappy bill to boot.

You do realize to hire more immigration judges, to hire more border patrol agents, to fund building more of the wall, more detention centers and so on actually have to be funded with MONEY that only congress can approve funding for. But obviously they didn't want these things.....

Quote
“The border security bill will put a huge number of new enforcement tools in the hands of a future administration and push the current Administration to finally stop the illegal flow. The bill provides funding to build the wall, increase technology at the border, and add more detention beds, more agents, and more deportation flights. The border security bill ends the abuse of parole on our southwest border that has waived in over a million people. It dramatically changes our ambiguous asylum laws by conducting fast screenings at a higher standard of evidence, limited appeals, and fast deportation.

https://www.lankford.senate.gov/new...-with-huge-wins-for-securing-the-border/

And Sleepy needs exactly NONE of those things to close the border.

Obviously he doesn't want the border closed. If he did he wouldn't be picking up illegals at airports and flying them around the country with his international Uber app, would he??

Sheep.
Quote
Sheep.

......and clowns.
Then why didn't trump close the border? And it seems even very extreme republicans are saying it's a lie that a president has the authority to close the border.......

Chip Roy knocks Trump over border claim: ‘That didn’t happen’

Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas) took a dig at former President Trump in a House floor speech Tuesday, denying the former president’s claim that any executive could unilaterally close the southern border.

Trump’s comments in a social media post Tuesday came after House Republicans shut down a bipartisan Senate border security bill, claiming President Biden should instead unilaterally stop all migrants from entering the U.S. using executive orders.

“No, we’re not just going to pass the buck and say that, ‘Oh, any president can walk in and secure the border,’” Roy said, referring to Trump’s post. “All a president has to do is declare the border’s closed, and it’s closed. Well, with all due respect, that didn’t happen in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020. There were millions of people that came in the United States during those four years.”

But Roy did compliment the Trump administration for work to secure the border, even without the total shut down Trump advocated for Tuesday.

“But what did happen was that that administration, led by the president, led by people who believe in America, led by strong leaders at [the Department of Homeland Security], they worked to secure the border, they worked to get those numbers down,” he said. “They worked to force Mexico to hold people in place with the migrant protection protocols.”

A House vote to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas unexpectedly failed Tuesday, after Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) joined two other Republicans in voting against it, and Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) surprisingly attended to vote despite a recent surgery.

Republicans claimed Mayorkas’s poor job performance was impeachable, which Democrats and the GOP dissenters challenged.

In his floor speech hours after that vote, Roy urged Republicans to refocus on border security policy.

“We cannot lose sight of the unity we have as Republicans that there is a way to secure the border,” he said. “We know what it is. We’re gonna stand up for it and we’re gonna fight for it.”

“We’re gonna keep fighting for it now, fight for it in this Congress,” he continued. “We’re gonna fight for it through the elections. We’re gonna fight for it next year when, Lord willing, there’s a Republican president.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4452898-chip-roy-donald-trump-border/

Continuing to repeat trumpiqan rhetoric doesn't change the fact that the president doesn't have the authority to close the border no matter how many times you repeat it.
Originally Posted by FATE
And Sleepy needs exactly NONE of those things to close the border.

You must have missed the part that in order to do these things they have to be funded and only congress can approve that funding. But the party of no said no. Everything else is just the same tired, repeated rhetoric.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 04:19 PM
Sleepy Joe has let close to 10 MILLION illegals into the country. They've overrun every major city in America, draining resources from people that need them and making Americans feel like the outsiders. Has done nothing to dissuade or prevent their arrival, in fact, he's done the exact opposite. He tells us to call them "newcomers" and welcome them with open arms.

Now we find out he flies 320,000 all over the country with his "It's an app, man!", to the city of their choice. We only found out because someone sued for our information.


"Trump!... Umm... Congress!"
You believe based on one report that he flew 320k all over the country.

Which changes nothing about anything I just posted. As much as you flail your arms only congress can approve funding to overhaul immigration reform. I know it's a fact you hate to own up to.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 04:44 PM
You keep arguing "belief"

He admitted it. They admitted it. Department of Homeland Security released all the information... after being sued.


There is no "believing one report". There are hundreds of "reports" and pages of google results.

Strangely, NONE of them from StateTV. I guess it's not really 'news'?
rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 04:51 PM
I can't seem.... to find CNN or MSNBC. Weird.

Plenty of places around the globe letting their "upstanding citizens" how to get in on the gig though. thumbsup



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Yep they all keep repeating what the first one reported.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 04:59 PM
So the report released from Homeland Security means nothing, right?

Are you saying this is all fake news??
To me whether it's fake news or not is yet to be determined. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that a sham has been perpetrated in such a regard. So I'm neither claiming it's fake or real at this point in time.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 05:31 PM
Homeland Security is LYING about letting in migrants at airports by using the CBP One app?

Seems like if they were lying they would say the opposite.


"Your honor, I did it, it was all of my doing, and no one else is to blame."

"Liar!!"
Unlike you I'm willing to wait and see if the supposed Homeland Security report is legitimate. A lot of people have ended up with egg on their face by believing things prematurely. If that's the risk you're willing to take here so be it. As I said, I'm not making a claim either way. But I will wait until it all plays out before reaching my conclusion. You do you.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 05:42 PM
Ahhh...

I keep forgetting.

DNA evidence or it never happened. thumbsup
Yeah, that's it. I keep forgetting that any accusation by anyone or any source is proof enough.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 05:48 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yeah, that's it. I keep forgetting that any accusation by anyone or any source is proof enough.


"Any"


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Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 05:58 PM
The funniest thing to me, is that if you want to check validity of a story, just check to see if there are any links to StateTV.

If there aren't -- you know it's true. That's the world we live in. rofl
Interesting conspiracy theory. Yet another one to add to the list. That's the world your mind lives in.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 06:03 PM
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You must have forgotten about the $787.5 million settlement with Dominion Voting Systems that FOX News had to pay. We watched Rudy, Trump and a host of his surrogates continually spreading lies and false conspiracy theories about the election. Yet they are the sources you count on while dismissing media sources who told you they were lies all along. You know, how it was ANTIFA and BLM that stormed the Capital. Some people never learn and think a mindless meme will explain that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 07:05 PM
Cool.

I've redacted all the Fox articles. You know, so you don't think the DHS admitting to flying illegals all over the country is fake news. thumbsup

I put it under spoilers. But just so we're clear, if you "CLICK TO SHOW CONTENT", and then pee your pants -- that's all on you -- literally.




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I still have no idea why you seem to think piggybacking off the same story makes the story more credible. Would you like to see all the sources that repeated the Dominion voting machine lie? The ANTIFA and BLM lie about Jan. 6th and other conspiracy lies? Would that make them any more true to you? For some reason it appears you seem to think so. Once again I'll wait to see if this same story that's being regurgitated is truthful or not. But I do understand why you would think it's legitimate when trump and musk are supporting this. I mean let's face it, they're both the poster boys for honesty and character.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 07:25 PM
Ah... Gotcha...



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93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful

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Sep 5, 2020 — The vast majority of Black Lives Matter protests—more than 93%—have been peaceful, according to a report published Thursday by a nonprofit.
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Sep 4, 2020 — About 93% of racial justice protests in the US have been peaceful, a new report finds · Authorities intervened in BLM protests more than others.

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Sep 5, 2020 — The vast majority of the thousands of Black Lives Matter protests this summer have been peaceful, with more than 93% involving no serious ...

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Jan 14, 2021 — An analysis of more than 7,750 demonstrations in 2,400 locations across the country found that 93% happened with no violence, according to the ...

In Summer of Political Vitriol, 93% of Protests Were Peaceful

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BLM and Floyd protests were largely peaceful, data confirms

USA Today
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Oct 24, 2020 — Demonstrators did not engage in violence or destructive activity in more than 93% of the more than 7,750 demonstrations across thousands of ...

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Oct 16, 2020 — This summer's Black Lives Matter protesters were overwhelmingly peaceful, our research finds. Police and counterprotesters sometimes started ...

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Black Lives Matter and the Anti-Lockdown Protests

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Nov 20, 2020 — The organization found fewer than 220 of these protests violent. This means that more than 93% of Black Lives Matter protests have been peaceful ...

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Sep 8, 2020 — New Report Finds 93 Percent Of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful. The report analyzed thousands of protests in all 50 states.

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Summer BLM protests were 'overwhelmingly' peaceful

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Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 07:29 PM
"But that one's good!

Some are good and some are FAKE!!



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Weren't they? I have no way to know for sure. All of them were peaceful in every town that surrounds me here in Tennessee. What I can tell you is all we heard about were the violent ones mostly in some big cities. What wasn't reported were all of the peaceful ones. So I, nor you know one way or the other how accurate that is.

Let's just say for the sake of argument that you are correct and that isn't an accurate figure. All that would show is that both sides of the media are as biased as the other. Which by and large i think is true. While you buy into what one side says and call the other side State Media. In essence you are open to accepting lies without them being vetted while I'm a little more skeptical. But as I've said before, you keep doing you.
It never ceases to amaze me how little you pay attention. You even predicted an answer I never gave. You're hilarious!
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 07:45 PM
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Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 07:49 PM
I won't bother with '22 women' and compare them to the 20+ shell companies. thumbsup
In the years, not few days, since those BLM marches I have seen nothing from the right to factually dispute a single word of it. It won't take years to figure out if these are legitimate documents and the claims are true.

Another swing and a miss by you. You have nothing to dispute that 93 % of those protests were peaceful then and in the years that have followed you have nothing to dispute that now. It won't take me years to find out if the story you're banking on is true or not. But nice try.
Hundreds of videos from Andy Ngo were posted on this forum that showed looting, vandalism, rioting, and violence. Libtards lied about it in denial. Its literal video of it happening.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 08:04 PM
Yeah, but Eve, there was a report.
Originally Posted by FATE
Yeah, but Eve, there was a report.

Still pushing the false narrative I see. How many locations did those videos come from?

What you hate to do is consider is context. That's something that blows your BS out of the water. You see it in Eves post. There were BLM marches in nearly every small town, medium sized town and large towns. In small cities, medium sized cities and large cities. This went on all across the country. In the vast, vast majority of these locations those protests were totally peaceful.

But what was done is those of your ilk focused on the violent ones to paint a picture and even make claims this was the norm across the country. It was not. And now you and your ilk are doubling down on that false narrative.

So no, I'm not sure that 93% is totally accurate, but it was certainly much closer to being accurate than the false narrative that was, and it seems still is being portrayed by those of you who can't accept the reality of it.

At this point you have no interest in a discussion. You're simply slinging crap like a monkey in a cage.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 08:28 PM
Collin Rugg? rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 08:42 PM
#treason














Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 08:43 PM
Better?
I see the parrots are hard at it.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FATE
Yeah, but Eve, there was a report.

Still pushing the false narrative I see. How many locations did those videos come from?

What you hate to do is consider is context. That's something that blows your BS out of the water. You see it in Eves post. There were BLM marches in nearly every small town, medium sized town and large towns. In small cities, medium sized cities and large cities. This went on all across the country. In the vast, vast majority of these locations those protests were totally peaceful.

But what was done is those of your ilk focused on the violent ones to paint a picture and even make claims this was the norm across the country. It was not. And now you and your ilk are doubling down on that false narrative.

So no, I'm not sure that 93% is totally accurate, but it was certainly much closer to being accurate than the false narrative that was, and it seems still is being portrayed by those of you who can't accept the reality of it.

At this point you have no interest in a discussion. You're simply slinging crap like a monkey in a cage.

Libtards denied that the looting and violence happened when there was video after video after video. Be in denial if you want but it makes you look ignorant.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 08:54 PM
The administration is ADMITTING all of this.


Pit@DawgTalkers: "We'll have to wait for the DNA."



Originally Posted by EveDawg
Libtards denied that the looting and violence happened when there was video after video after video. Be in denial if you want but it makes you look ignorant.

Everyone you label as a libtard on this board posted that they wanted those people who committed those crimes be caught and prosecuted. Nobody denied that it happened. Nobody is denying it now. If you wish to talk about who looks ignorant right now.

But the fact remains that this happened only in some places. In certain cities and locations. It did not happen everywhere and in fact it did not happen in the vast majority of places that protests were held. You have zero evidence that it did other than to post false claims to the contrary.
No, the libtards on this board were in complete denial and the looting and violence was widespread. To say otherwise is ignorance.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 09:04 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
No, the libtards on this board were in complete denial and the looting and violence was widespread. To say otherwise is ignorance.

That's not completely honest, Eve. You know half of the libs here were cheering them on.
Once again you're trying to say two different things are the same. Your first claim was that Biden flew them in from outside the United states into the country. In your latest tripe video it simply says they were flown into cites. But it does not say they were flown into cities from outside the United States. Peen even stated earlier that flights with immigrants from Texas were flown into which ever town he said he saw them in.

are you this easily fooled or do you think it's this easy to fool others?
Originally Posted by EveDawg
No, the libtards on this board were in complete denial and the looting and violence was widespread. To say otherwise is ignorance.

If by widespread you mean less than most of the places BLM marches took place you may be correct. And you still have no evidence of the contrary because that's not what happened. What do you define as "widespread"?
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by EveDawg
No, the libtards on this board were in complete denial and the looting and violence was widespread. To say otherwise is ignorance.

That's not completely honest, Eve. You know half of the libs here were cheering them on.

What a blatant lie that is. You're going to need a lot of soap to get all that $#!+ off of your hands.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/06/24 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Once again you're trying to say two different things are the same. Your first claim was that Biden flew them in from outside the United states into the country. In your latest tripe video it simply says they were flown into cites. But it does not say they were flown into cities from outside the United States. Peen even stated earlier that flights with immigrants from Texas were flown into which ever town he said he saw them in.

are you this easily fooled or do you think it's this easy to fool others?

[Linked Image from u.cubeupload.com] Again.

Why don't you find a post where I said Biden flew them into the country.

I'll wait.
You wouldn’t know treason if it bit you in the ass, which Trump would do if re-elected.
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I'm sure you would. It's not as if we don't see headlines that are misleading or do not match up with the content of the article quite often. It's odd that you're the very same person who refutes things written in books because "They're just trying to sell a book" when you don't like what they say. Now suddenly a headline because it says something you wish to believe. Funny how things work isn't it?

Can you show any actual facts that back up what that headline says besides, "Yeah but the headline says so"?


Joe Biden's administration has admitted transporting migrants on secret flights into the U.S. and lawyers for its immigration agencies claim revealing the locations could create national security 'vulnerabilities'.


You could try reading the article. It's literally the first sentence.


They have flown 100o's to Chattanooga. I wake up early....like 2AM, and have a flight tracker app. I have seen many planes landing at 2-3AM, registered to a contractor known to bring is aliens. You can track the light path from south Texas to Tennessee.


What flight tracker app do you use.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/07/24 02:57 PM
This "newcomer" was on probation for burglary, before stalking and killing this 16-year-old cheerleader in her bathtub.


Texas teen Lizbeth Medina murder: What to know about illegal immigrant suspect Rafael Romero
Romero had criminal background in Texas, was on probation at time of his arrest in connection to killing


By Audrey Conklin Fox News
Published March 7, 2024 4:00am EST

Rafael Govea Romero, the suspect in Texas 16-year-old Lizbeth Medina's December 2023 murder, is set to be arraigned Thursday in Jackson County.

Romero, a 24-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico, is accused of stalking the high school cheerleader and aspiring nurse before allegedly striking her over the head and stabbing her in the Edna apartment that she shared with her mother.

A spokesperson for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) told Fox News Digital that ICE Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) Houston "lodged an immigration detainer with the Jackson County (Texas) Sheriff’s Office on Rafael Govea-Romero, 24, Mexico, following his arrest for capital murder."

ICE ERO lodges immigration detainers against noncitizens who have been arrested for criminal activity and taken into custody as part of the agency's mission to identify and arrest removable illegal immigrants, according to ICE.

Romero had a criminal background in Texas and was on probation at the time of his arrest in connection to Lizbeth's murder, Edna Police Chief Rick Boone told Fox News Digital.

The murder suspect was reportedly on probation for a burglary in Schulenburg, Texas, about 60 miles from Edna, in 2022, as the Fayette County Record first reported. Edna police believe Romero may also be tied to a burglary that occurred at Lizbeth's home about a month before her killing.

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A Jackson County grand jury in February indicted Romero on a capital murder charge in connection with Lizbeth's murder.

Edna police initially arrested Romero in Schulenburg, five days after Lizbeth was found dead in the bathtub of her apartment with "smeared blood on the sides of her and what appeared to be a stab wound to the upper stomach area," according to a police affidavit previously obtained by Fox News Digital. Police were able to locate the suspect thanks to cellphone data and other evidence tying him to the crime scene.

The victim's mother, Jacqueline Medina, had left their apartment early on Dec. 5 for work. Her daughter typically left for school afterward, but that day she neither made it to school nor the Christmas parade that her cheer team was supposed to be practicing for.

Jacqueline went to the parade, expecting to see her daughter, but when she couldn't find Lizbeth anywhere, she began reaching out to friends and family for help tracking down the 16-year-old. Later that evening, Jacqueline found her daughter dead in their bathtub.

The grieving mother, who lived in Nebraska before moving to Texas for work, said neither she nor her daughter knew Romero but noted that their house had been burglarized on Nov. 13, about a month before the teenager's murder. Edna police officers believe Romero may have been involved in the burglary and may have stalked Lizbeth before allegedly attacking and killing her.

"I believe the burglary from 11/13/2023 could have a connection with the murder suspect," an Edna officer wrote in the affidavit. "I believed the suspect of this murder was at large and a present danger to the community. I was especially concerned that the person believed to be the murder suspect was texting other high school students, leading me to believe the suspect was targeting students."

"Furthermore, I believe the public was in danger due to the stalking-like behavior displayed by the suspect via the potential connection of the 11/13/2023 burglary and driving through the apartment complex on 12/4/2023."

Romero's arraignment is scheduled for Thursday. Fox News Digital reached out to his defense attorney for comment.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-te...-illegal-immigrant-suspect-rafael-romero
So then your contention is he sends them to other cities like Abbott does and DeSantis did. Oh the horror!
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/07/24 03:26 PM
A. Sounds like a flip-flop. You wet your pants for months about Abbott not keeping all the illegals in Texas.

B. Abbott doesn't recruit them from other countries with a phone app and then give them two years probation on their path to citizenship.
No, they were just recruited them off the streets, told them lies to get them to go to Martha's Vineyard and loaded them on a plane.

I think you're just butt hurt because they may not have been sent to all liberal cities.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/07/24 05:09 PM
Ah, so they didn't invite them into the country at all.

I think you're just a couple Excedrin tablets short of a full medicine cabinet.
At least I don't need a prescription of Xanax in my medicine cabinet because my brain is about to explode.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/07/24 05:21 PM
Mayorkas still works for us?? Weird.

Points people bring up to "wonder" about because all you can do is cast fear and make accusations when you have zero facts to base things on. Fear tactics 101.

Sounds like the trump train is coming out in full force.....

"And they are emptying out their prisons, and they're emptying out their mental institutions and insane asylums into the U.S., and we're not a dumping ground." "criminals," including "rapists and murderers and drug dealers,"

Trump appreciates your support.
Posted By: FATE Re: Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will - 03/07/24 05:51 PM
And America appreciates your ignorance.

Not really.
You post something with a question that has no answer to try and make a point and then claim it's someone else who is ignorant? Aren't you special in a not so good kind of way.
https://abc7chicago.com/measles-outbreak-chicago-vaccine-symptoms-cps/14523113/

Migrants spreading disease.
Now you're trying to blame immigrants for what your anti vaccer buddies are causing.....

Anti-vaccine movement driving measles outbreak: Doctor

Measles outbreaks are on the rise in US
Infectious disease doctor calls rebuke of vaccine 'mind-boggling'
Forty-five measles cases have been reported in 17 states

https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/anti-vaccine-movement-measles/
Pretty sure no anti vaccers hang out in migrant shelters.
I'm totally sure this is happening in several places in different states which you have no interest in finding out about.
While you lefties quibble about flying over the border or not flying over the border, about who has the measles and who does not and other minor issues, your obvious effort to obfuscate the real issue isn’t working. Biden has turned a relatively controlled border into a chaotic disaster. Listen to the border patrol comparing the border today to 5 years ago and you will get the picture. From a relative calm of 45k encounters per month ( a number that can be managed and dealt with), to a chaos of 200,000+ per month, a number that cannot be managed at all.

Fact is that between 5-10 million illegals have been dumped into America in Joe’s 3.5 years. These are mostly poorly educated, non English speaking untrained people from 80-90 countries in the world. Thousands of Chinese have crossed the border. People from our major geopolitical enemy. The Chicomms are not our friends. If they have been sent here to do us harm do you think we would get an accurate and complete vetting. Of course not!

We have had Iranians cross the border, the world’s largest sponsor of state terrorism. We have had Syrians cross the border. Given our relationship with those two countries why would we want people coming in here from them. We wouldn’t! All these people from all these countries are here at the expense of the hard working American taxpayer. They overwhelm our health care, they put great burden on our school systems, they drive down the wages of lower income Americans. Yet thanks to Joe and his lefty advisors they just keep coming. At least until we get someone in office who actually wants to control the border.

Btw none of these numbers include the 1-2 million “gotaways” that the border patrol says have gotten in without any contact from an American official. I wonder how many of them have ill intent toward Americans?

None of this was necessary! Biden had a good border and he wrecked it. If he wanted the border protected he could have left everything in place and we would never t have faced this onslaught. And if the border was controlled our border patrol could focus on stopping fentanyl, killing thousands of Americans and maybe we could have stopped many of these thugs that have mudered Americans.
How about we focus on the ones where over 2,000 police officers were injured. How about we focus on the ones where multiple billions of property damage was done. How about we focus on the ones where they tried to burn down a federal building with officers inside. Let’s focus on the violent ones who were arrested and Kamala and her lefty buddies donated to bail them out so they could go back out and do it again. I think those all merit a little focus.

Does anyone know how many people did jail time for violence against police officers or destruction of property??
Yes, the 3 million that came in under trump was a "a relatively controlled border".
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Pretty sure no anti vaccers hang out in migrant shelters.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.
Facts often times aren't convenient for them because it doesn't paint the same picture they wish to portray.......

Measles spread through multiple states across the U.S.

BISMARCK, ND (KXNET) — So far this year, there are 45 measles cases reported from 17 states across the country, including our neighbor to the east, Minnesota.

At this time, North Dakota does not have any cases of measles; however, officials say in order to stay that way, vaccination is important.

The MMR vaccine, or the measles, mumps, and rubella shot is given in two doses.

Danni Pinick, the immunization surveillance coordinator for the North Dakota Department of Health and Human Services, says one key group is left out of the vaccinations, but for a good reason — kids under a year can’t get it.

“But there is really no protection for people who are zero to six month olds and that’s why it is really frightening to see these measles outbreaks spread throughout the United States because the really vulnerable people are really young infants,” said Pinick.

Pinnick adds that people with severe symptoms might have brain swelling or pneumonia and could end up in the hospital.

The most common symptom is a rash that starts on your head and goes all over your body.

If you experience these symptoms, officials say you should call your health care provider before you come in, so you don’t infect anyone else.

https://www.kxnet.com/news/local-news/measles-spread-through-multiple-states-across-the-u-s/
Ok we need to do a review. Heavy duty calculus but I am sure you can handle it. First, is 3 million equal to greater than or less than 10 million. Reducing it to simpler terms is 45,000 less than equal to or greater than 200,000.

And of course, adding “relative” to a word like “calm” changes calm from a specific definition to a definition in comparison to another situation. So in comparison to the past three+ years of chaos the trump border was relatively calm. You have no interest in hearing it but every border agent at the southern border can tell you.

Here is what I find funny. You know what I said is true. You called the border a disaster. You lefties just choke on saying the truth, Biden has done horrible damage to our border security. And I think there is no doubt that Biden did not care until 65-70% of Americans said the border and illegal immigration was one of their top issues.

I think if you work thru those two math questions and the word review you will realize how truly ridiculous your post was.
3 million isn't by any measure what one would call controlled. If you wish to say liberals are in denial a mirror may be helpful. And while I won't waste my time dissecting your tirades much of what you posted was nothing more than hyperbole. Yes the border is a disaster. It was just less of a disaster before. And in order to hire more border patrol agents, more immigration judges and beef up border patrols takes money. Only money congress has the power to approve.
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Pretty sure no anti vaccers hang out in migrant shelters.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.

Delusional much?
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I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.


rofl
It worries me that people who think like this vote. I feel sorry for how misinformed you are and how you’ve been manipulated. I wonder what the country wil do with folks that jumped off the Trumpian conspiracy theory bridge and landed in crazy-town. I hope y’all can be deprogrammed after we send Trump packing at the poles and the DOJ/GA/FL send him to jail because he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning. America is still ANTIFA.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by OldColdDawg
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Pretty sure no anti vaccers hang out in migrant shelters.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.

Delusional much?


Don’t deflect and project your delusional BS onto me. Trumpians will do anything to get their way, or are you still sleeping on J6? I wouldn’t let an admitted Trump supported scrub my toilets. They’d steal the toilet paper, clog the crapper, and blame it on the first Dem they see… Your entire side of the isle is currently delusional, and you’re in here batting 200 as an excuse maker and lib hater… And you want to lock horns with me? Lol, knocking down your ish is like swatting gnats. As fast as we destroy your next lie, you will go into the GOPer rabbit-hole and pull out another. Meanwhile, you don’t acknowledge facts or truth at all, but just keep pumping out the propaganda like it’s your mission to be DT’s very own Tokyo Rose.
You just make up imaginary crap as you go.
Originally Posted by jfanent
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I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.


rofl

He's brainwashed by far left commie extremists.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
You just make up imaginary crap as you go.

More projection. You should open a cinema with all that projection.
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by jfanent
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I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that MAGA GOPers infected the immigrant facilities on purpose, like not fixing the border so Trumpians can cry about Biden not fixing the border… for normal people that math doesn’t calculate.


rofl

He's brainwashed by far left commie extremists.

I can see why you think that. After filling your tiny head with MAGA ish, anyone who isn’t a traitorous fascist reject is a libtard, enemy of the people, radical leftie, yada yada yada ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. More mental drivel from tokyo rose 2.ZERO
Originally Posted by EveDawg
You just make up imaginary crap as you go.

Hey! You resemble that remark.
Posted By: superbowldogg Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:02 PM


It looks like Texas will be arresting everyone.
Posted By: superbowldogg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:03 PM
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:08 PM
At the very least targeting a lot of people by pulling them over and harassing them even when they are here legally because they "look suspicious".
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:11 PM
This is great news!
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:47 PM
Arresting legal citizens is good news? You know it’s going to happen.
Posted By: Day of the Dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:53 PM
About time something gets done!!! The Democrats are OK with criminals running loose, gangs out of control, fentanyl killing our youth, and we all know they are behind the sex slave industry, but something has to be done to stop that madness. Good for the supreme court and good for Texas.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 07:58 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Arresting legal citizens is good news? You know it’s going to happen.

Did I say that? Arresting Illegals is definitely good news. SCOTUS did something right.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Arresting legal citizens is good news? You know it’s going to happen.

Did I say that? Arresting Illegals is definitely good news. SCOTUS did something right.
You do know it’s going to happen though?

And GOPers had a chance to do something weeks ago but trump shot it down, so you all got in, one goose step in line, one goose step at a time. Congrats.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:21 PM
When this country becomes a fascist dictatorship, I wonder which race, political party or religious group they’ll go after to exterminate.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:22 PM
Typical libtard hysteria. Make up stuff and become hysterical about it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:23 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by EveDawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Arresting legal citizens is good news? You know it’s going to happen.

Did I say that? Arresting Illegals is definitely good news. SCOTUS did something right.
You do know it’s going to happen though?

And GOPers had a chance to do something weeks ago but trump shot it down, so you all got in, one goose step in line, one goose step at a time. Congrats.

Can someone decode this?
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:28 PM
trump is the devil himself and lives in Florida aka hell.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:32 PM
A couple thoughts about this decision..

It is not permanent, but they are giving Texas the go ahead until it goes through court-

Texas is like 35-40% latino-some legal, some not; that affects a lot of people;

you can bet in no time, every red state is going to be putting out the same type of law that Texas drafted.

the SC seems not consistent on states rights/federal rights
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:40 PM
The fact is we all know they will target everyone who "looks suspicious" which will be determined by the color of their skin. I'm not sure that's the right answer. A lot of innocent people will now be in their crosshairs.



Laredo Mayor expresses concerns over SB 4

LAREDO, TX. (KGNS) - Many in the State of Texas are speaking out about the controversial new state law that would make illegal border crossings a state crime, including the mayor of Laredo.

Last month, Texas lawmakers approved Senate Bill 4, an immigration law that would allow Texas law enforcement officers to arrest people for illegally crossing the border from Mexico.

Laredo Mayor Dr. Victor Trevino said that while he understands the need for border security measures, he believes it could lead to other challenges for law enforcement officers.

“We have federal laws and we have Texas laws, and we need guidance as to which law we are going to follow and who is going to train our officers, city officers, police officers to deal with it,” said Mayor Dr. Trevino. “They are not trained in immigration laws and the other thing is that there’s that possibility of profiling people, if you fit the description, you may be stopped even if you’re a citizen.”

Mayor Trevino goes on to say that local law enforcement continues to collaborate effectively with Border Patrol agents to deter illegal activity in our city.

Dr. Trevino said they are in communication with officials in Washington and the Department of Homeland Security about what’s happening in Laredo.

https://www.kgns.tv/2023/12/06/laredo-mayor-expresses-concerns-over-sb-4/
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:45 PM
You just make up fake news as you go. Then you get hysterical about it. I'm glad states can finally arrest the illegals. Its TERRIBLE that Biden did NOTHING to close the border. The SCOTUS had to step up.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:50 PM
There is no fake news there. I said the same thing the mayor of Laredo Texas said.....

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" if you fit the description, you may be stopped even if you’re a citizen.”

Reading is fundamental.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:53 PM
Just because you post an article crying tears about something that hasnt happened yet doesnt make it true.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 08:57 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
There is no fake news there. I said the same thing the mayor of Laredo Texas said.....

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" if you fit the description, you may be stopped even if you’re a citizen.”

Reading is fundamental.

Common sense, apparently, is not.

Just another in the endless list of your "some think this may happen and this could lead to this" articles of nothingness.

There are five thousand at the border every day... walking in... illegally.

Your article is some cry-baby whatabout that assumes the TMP has time to go out and target people.

That will happen to 25 people after 10 million already crossed illegally. Nobody cares. Nobody should. Now cry me a river about how heartless I am and we can move the strawman somewhere else.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 09:04 PM
Could you please tell me what criteria they will use to to identify people they might consider suspects then? I mean if you have any intention of trying to have a discussion which I don't believe that you do.

Do you think Texas police will abandon their patrols and station themselves by the border waiting for people to cross while abandoning doing their duties for the rest of their citizens?

So if they are dong their jobs of policing their communities what method will they use to identify likely suspects?

This isn't a "some think this will happen" scenario. It will happen because there is no other criteria for police officers doing their jobs of patrolling and serving their communities to identify suspects.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 09:17 PM
You're right.

I have absolutely no desire to discuss the nuance in how these guys may choose to do their jobs, nor the hoops you think they should jump through, to avoid hurting someone's feelings or saving you from peeing your panties.

That fact that you do says everything we need to know. To the surprise of nobody.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 09:25 PM
I had no idea being targeted by law enforcement by the color of your skin was was considered hurting someone's feelings. And of course being against racial profiling is peeing your pants. At least in a trumpian dystopia.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/19/24 09:34 PM
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Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by superbowldogg

Minus the hyperbole, this seems reasonable.

Now, if it's determined that someone who looks Hispanic is "reasonable suspicion" then, yes, that is a problem.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:02 AM
Mexico has refused to accept any migrants deported by Texas under one of the toughest immigration laws enacted by a US state in modern times. "Mexico will not accept, under any circumstances, repatriations by the State of Texas," the government said
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 01:27 PM
I may be wrong here, but I took it as Mexico said they will not accept any NON Mexicans.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 01:42 PM
You took it wrong. Not surprised. Lol
Posted By: Jester Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 01:50 PM
I read it the same way arch did
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 01:57 PM
Still wrong.
Posted By: dawglover05 Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
You took it wrong. Not surprised. Lol

No need for this. I don't know why you insist on acting so immature all the time. He said nothing to merit that kind of response from you.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 02:58 PM
Just saying, I had a chuckle he didn’t know what repatriation actually is. But wasn’t surprised. Sometimes I have to stoop to one’s level.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:05 PM
Classy response. One that definitely deserves a big "not surprised".
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:14 PM
Who’s enjoying this repatriation with NAZI’s?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:15 PM
Texas border enforcement law again blocked in legal whiplash

March 20 (Reuters) - A Republican-backed Texas law that would empower law enforcement authorities in the state to arrest people suspected of illegally crossing the U.S.-Mexico border was blocked again late on Tuesday by a federal appeals court, just hours after the U.S. Supreme Court had cleared the way for it to go into effect.

The New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals halted enforcement of the law, reviving a federal judge's order blocking it in response to a challenge by Democratic President Joe Biden's administration. The 5th Circuit set arguments for Wednesday on whether to keep the block in place while Texas appeals it.

The legal back and forth in the case has caused uncertainty about the future of the measure signed in December by Republican Texas Governor Greg Abbott.
The Biden administration sued in January to stop the law, known as SB 4, which was originally set to take effect on March 5. The administration argued it violates the U.S. Constitution and federal law by interfering with the U.S. government's power to regulate immigration as well as running afoul of a 2012 Supreme Court precedent.

The statute authorizes Texas law enforcement to arrest people suspected of entering the United States illegally, giving local officers powers long delegated to the federal government. Abbott said the law was needed due to Biden's failure to enforce federal laws criminalizing illegal entry or re-entry.

The Supreme Court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, on Tuesday had decided to let the law take effect, with the three liberal justices in dissent.

The law is one of several measures put in place by Abbott aimed at deterring migration in the state including deploying National Guard troops and state law enforcement under its Operation Lone Star and placing concertina wire and floating buoy barriers along the Rio Grande river.

On Tuesday night at the border between Ciudad Juarez, Mexico and El Paso, Texas, several groups of migrants who had already crossed the river into the United States but were blocked by concertina wire along the banks built fires for warmth in makeshift encampments made of sheets and sticks, waiting for a chance to navigate through the barrier.

'CHAOS AND CONFUSION'

Republicans have criticized Biden's handling of the record numbers of migrants caught illegally crossing the border. Abbott and other Republicans favor the restrictive policies of former President Donald Trump, their party's candidate challenging Biden in the Nov. 5 U.S. election.

Opinion polls reveal acute voter concern over the situation along the border. Reuters/Ipsos polling showed Biden's public approval level at 37% as of Feb. 28.

White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said on Tuesday the Texas law would "sow chaos and confusion at our southern border."

The Texas law made illegal entry or re-entry into Texas a state crime, with penalties ranging from 180 days in jail to 20 years in prison. It would require Texas magistrate judges to order migrants to return to Mexico, with up to 20-year sentences for those who refuse to comply.

Mexico said on Tuesday it would not accept those repatriated by Texas.

Texas-based U.S. District Judge David Ezra on Feb. 29 sided with the Biden administration and agreed to preliminarily block Texas officials from enforcing the law, saying it "threatens the fundamental notion that the United States must regulate immigration with one voice."

But the 5th Circuit paused Ezra's ruling in an order that would have let the law take effect on March 10, prompting the administration to file an emergency request to the Supreme Court. Justice Samuel Alito, acting for the Supreme Court, on March 4 had halted the 5th Circuit ruling - and thus the law - from taking effect, giving the justices more time to consider the matter.

A 5th Circuit panel, in a 2-1 vote, on Tuesday night lifted the administrative stay ahead of arguments on whether to once again put on hold the judge's injunction while Texas pursues an appeal.

The majority in the appeals court's order included Judge Priscilla Richman, an appointee of Republican former President George W. Bush, and Judge Irma Carrillo Ramirez, a Biden appointee. Judge Andrew Oldham, an appointee of Republican former President Donald Trump, dissented.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us...law-illegal-border-crossings-2024-03-19/
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Classy response. One that definitely deserves a big "not surprised".

Originally Posted by FATE
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As opposed to this? rolleyes notallthere
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:19 PM
Gets on DT. Immediately starts crying.

Gonna be a long day lol.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:20 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Who’s enjoying this repatriation with NAZI’s?

It would take an entire paragraph to point out everything wrong with this "sentence".
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:22 PM
Yep, anything but an answer, we know. rolleyes
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:25 PM
Just showing you, and everyone else that you are just like the person you are pointing your finger at. But of course I didn't expect yo to take any personal responsibility for it. rofl
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:25 PM
Texas Immigration law is headed to appeals court. On hold again. The NAZIS must wait.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:26 PM
Yeah, the circuit court stopped in again last night.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Who’s enjoying this repatriation with NAZI’s?

...you seem to be enjoying the word repatriation with yourself. thumbsup
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:32 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yeah, the circuit court stopped in again last night.

This just goes to show that the libtards were never serious about closing the border. That whole Congress bill was just a dog and pony show for voters.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:35 PM
Yeah, like a comprehensive immigration bill Republicans refused to support. Can you explain what a court decision has to do with "libtards".

It looks like we need a little repugnantcan splainin'.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:35 PM
Back in the day we had two words for what many so called republicans have become. “Nazi sympathizers”
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:41 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Yeah, like a comprehensive immigration bill Republicans refused to support. Can you explain what a court decision has to do with "libtards".

It looks like we need a little repugnantcan splainin'.

It's simple. Your butt cheeks and every other libtard's butt cheeks clenched the second the SCOTUS made the ruling.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:42 PM
GOPer tears when libtards play the appeals game? It was obvious which way the SCOTUS would rule. We were just waiting for the pain. Lol
Posted By: keithfromxenia Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:48 PM
Repatriation is defined as the process of returning someone to their country of origin so it makes perfect sense that they would say they would not take people who are not Mexican citizens. And we should not repatriate people anywhere except their home country.

Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

Finally, you lefties have only yourselves to blame for this mess so quitcherbitchin!! All Biden had to do was keep the Trump policies in place. No new legislation, no new orders. Just keep them in place and we are still seeing the 45-50k per month,not 225k per month. The border would be much quieter and most Americans would be reasonably satisfied.

Instead Biden destroys border security and discovers something new. Most Americans want our border to be a border and be controlled by us. Most Americans believe that who comes into this country should be determined by America and Americans, not by millions of people who break into our country like thieves in the night.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:48 PM
It was obvious because the SCOTUS made the correct ruling. Texas has the right to defend itself.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:53 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Just showing you, and everyone else that you are just like the person you are pointing your finger at. But of course I didn't expect yo to take any personal responsibility for it. rofl

I take 100% responsibility. I treat all trolls with no impunity.

The difference is that he's belittling Arch... who does that to nobody.

Not that anyone would expect you to understand that. You haven't followed along past two posts in a thread in years.

You're showing something, just not what you think. thumbsup
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Repatriation is defined as the process of returning someone to their country of origin so it makes perfect sense that they would say they would not take people who are not Mexican citizens. And we should not repatriate people anywhere except their home country.

Wobbler? Any comment? Since you're so smart and belittle others intellect, what is your enlightened response to these facts?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 03:58 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
It's simple. Your butt cheeks and every other libtard's butt cheeks clenched the second the SCOTUS made the ruling.

That's a figment of your imagination. I won't speak for other posters but as for myself I was fully aware of what the SCOTUS ruling actually meant. They even stated it themselves. they said take it back to the circuit court. They weren't going to block the law because it hadn't yet gone through the process of the other courts. Usually the SCOTUS allows these things to go through the entire process before they rule one way or the other. It wasn't even a ruling on the law itself. The ruling was whether they would block the law from being enacted while it was going through this process.

You might wish to look at which side jumped on here like they were celebrating their birthdays because they thought this was an actual ruling on the law.

Where the part that doesn't make sense is that the law makes police officers who are not at the border to try and figure out who is and who isn't illegal. I'll tell you something that does make sense if you actually want to help stop illegal border crossings. There are thousands of National guard troops already at the border. They do not have the authority to arrest or detain people. That doesn't make any sense.

If Abbott wanted to stop people crossing the border he would have given the National Guard the power to detain and arrest people illegally crossing the border because they are at the border.

You see, some people look into things. Some people know what a courts order includes and doesn't include. You too could learn those things if you didn't think the word "libtard" was the answer to everything.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:00 PM
You do it to everyone you disagree with and label them trolls. You're no different than any of those you label you just won't step up to the plate and admit it. The only person you're fooling is yourself.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:01 PM
Repatriating means returning something to its origin. Repatriation doesn’t only apply to people. Anyways, the Mexician government said they won’t take any repatriations under any circumstances from the state of Texas…period. Mexican’s arrested in Texas legal or illegal.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

You have no idea how badly that would impact inflation. Then you would blame Biden for it.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:06 PM
j/c...

Abbott has demonstrated to this poor excuse of a president what leadership looks like.

It's too bad it's Biden's disaster he's forced to clean up.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:08 PM
rofl
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:09 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

You have no idea how badly that would impact inflation. Then you would blame Biden for it.

It wouldn't happen. Mexico would discover our president has a set (and so would our president) and act accordingly.

And even if they didn't, Biden created the disaster, so...
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:11 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

You have no idea how badly that would impact inflation. Then you would blame Biden for it.

Umm Mexico is refusing reparations from the state of Texas only. Not from any other state. Texas is on their own here. They went their own way and the SCOTUS backed the NAZI scheme.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:11 PM
Yes, when inflation went through the roof from the ery policies you propose, you would blame Biden. You still think acting like a dictator and a bully is the best way to lead.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:12 PM
It's not that funny. 10M+ is a huge drain on resources meant for actual Americans. Not that I'm surprised you find that humorous. As long as it's not you and there's a chance to virtue signal, right?
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

You have no idea how badly that would impact inflation. Then you would blame Biden for it.

Umm Mexico is refusing reparations from the state of Texas only. Not from any other state. Texas is on their own here. They went their own way and the SCOTUS backed the NAZI scheme.

Cool. Send them back through California. A cheap bus ride would save taxpayers millions. thumbsup
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Repatriating means returning something to its origin. Repatriation doesn’t only apply to people. Anyways, the Mexician government said they won’t take any repatriations under any circumstances from the state of Texas…period. Mexican’s arrested in Texas legal or illegal.

AKA Mexico is sending all there undesirables to Texas because they think Biden will let them. Biden will probably let them because he knows the undesirables would probably vote Democrat. /Purple...kind of...
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:20 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by keithfromxenia
Now if Mexico tried to decline to take repatriated Mexicans and our president has a backbone his response should be, well, okie dokie, then starting tomorrow there will be a 50% tariff on any product coming from Mexico. I have a feeling ghat will take care of that issue.

You have no idea how badly that would impact inflation. Then you would blame Biden for it.

Umm Mexico is refusing reparations from the state of Texas only. Not from any other state. Texas is on their own here. They went their own way and the SCOTUS backed the NAZI scheme.

Cool. Send them back through California. A cheap bus ride would save taxpayers millions. thumbsup

Texas Tax payers for sure. Federal tax payers will loose big time.
Posted By: keithfromxenia Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:24 PM
No it would elicit the response from Mexico that we want. Just like when Trump wanted Mexico’s support on “remain in Mexico “, when he wanted Mexico to provide military support to their southern border to reduce the flow of migrants thru Mexico, when he wanted support from Mexico at our southern border he just whispered the word “tariff” to the Mexican president and they made it happen. They would respond the same way here.

None of this Texas stuff would be happening if Biden and the Feds had done their job. You lefties don’t care but most Americans do. 75% of Americans think the border is a crisis or a bad situation. Biden did not and did not care until it became a situation for voters.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:24 PM
That's the response you give when avoiding anything of substance. I plainly stated that if you want to stop people AT the border, you empower people AT the border. There are thousands of National Guard troops AT the border. They do not have the power to arrest or detain people. That's just stupid. If Abbott really wanted to stop people from crossing the border his new law would have empowered National Guard troops to detain and arrest people crossing the border.

You make it sound as though anyone who disagrees with the way this law is written doesn't want to stop illegal immigrants from coming into our country. That's simply not true. But that's not what this law does. These immigrants for the most part don't "stay in Texas". They go to cities and states all across this country. Hell, even Abbott just sends them to other places on buses. The only way law enforcement can determine whether someone is here legally or not is to stop them and ask them for paperwork. And if they were born here the only paperwork they would have is a drivers license. I wonder how many people's rights you're willing to sacrifice in order to get what you want even when it will have little actual impact on the problem? I guess it's a lot easier when they don't look like you do.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:24 PM
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Repatriating means returning something to its origin. Repatriation doesn’t only apply to people. Anyways, the Mexician government said they won’t take any repatriations under any circumstances from the state of Texas…period. Mexican’s arrested in Texas legal or illegal.

AKA Mexico is sending all there undesirables to Texas because they think Biden will let them. Biden will probably let them because he knows the undesirables would probably vote Democrat. /Purple...kind of...


Yeah that’s it. Lol ..immigrants with voting rights. Republican edjumaction.
Posted By: PerfectSpiral Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:27 PM
Originally Posted by EveDawg
the SCOTUS made the correct ruling.

Yeah if you’re a NAZI.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:29 PM
Do you mean like this?

Mexico to put $1.5 bln into upgrading border as Biden meets Lopez Obrador

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/presidents-us-mexico-meet-after-summit-tensions-2022-07-12/

Obviously you haven't been paying attention. I've been saying there's a border crisis for a while now. At one time the numbers dipped but they quickly rose again. The difference is some on your side say it can be fixed for free and refuse to fund more border agents and immigration judges. At your stage in life I thought you would have figured out that nothing comes for free.
Posted By: Bull_Dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 04:36 PM
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted by Bull_Dawg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Repatriating means returning something to its origin. Repatriation doesn’t only apply to people. Anyways, the Mexician government said they won’t take any repatriations under any circumstances from the state of Texas…period. Mexican’s arrested in Texas legal or illegal.

AKA Mexico is sending all there undesirables to Texas because they think Biden will let them. Biden will probably let them because he knows the undesirables would probably vote Democrat. /Purple...kind of...


Yeah that’s it. Lol ..immigrants with voting rights. Republican edjumaction.

I didn't say they could. I was saying they would if they could. They're your kind of people. rolleyes Numbers for "peaceful" rallies.

Hey, maybe they'd choose violence and go full MAGA.

What does MAC conference sports have to do with anything?
Posted By: OldColdDawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 09:20 PM
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
At the very least targeting a lot of people by pulling them over and harassing them even when they are here legally because they "look suspicious".

Maybe they will pull over the Russians here illegally. I’m sure they won’t be profiling.
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by FATE
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Just showing you, and everyone else that you are just like the person you are pointing your finger at. But of course I didn't expect yo to take any personal responsibility for it. rofl

I take 100% responsibility. I treat all trolls with no impunity.

The difference is that he's belittling Arch... who does that to nobody.

Not that anyone would expect you to understand that. You haven't followed along past two posts in a thread in years.

You're showing something, just not what you think. thumbsup

I don't read perfectspirals posts. He's added nothing to a thread in years.
Posted By: FATE Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/20/24 10:04 PM
That's not entirely true. I remember him having a coherent thought in a post game thread once, I think it was during the Baker days though.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/21/24 02:53 PM
You have become no different than the people you point fingers at.
Posted By: northlima dawg Re: Building The Wall Part 2 - 03/21/24 04:46 PM
Flurry of Court Actions on Immigration Law Causing Confusion in Texas
Fifth Circuit panel gives no indication of whether it will allow state to arrest and deport migrants while law is litigated
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Congress has spent decades attempting and failing to pass bipartisan legislation on immigration and border security. WSJ senior political correspondent Molly Ball explains how the latest border bill fell apart even before it reached the Senate floor, and what it means in an election year. Photo Illustration: Annie Zhao
EAGLE PASS, Texas—Legal turmoil over a Texas plan to arrest and deport migrants left state and border residents mired in confusion this week over whether the law would be allowed to take effect, a development that could upend more than a century of national immigration policy.

A volley of legal orders regarding the law, known as SB 4, came as the Supreme Court and Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals both chimed in on whether the law should remain stalled as courts weigh whether it is constitutional for states to set their own immigration policies.

An Austin-based federal judge blocked SB 4 last month, calling it an unconstitutional violation of federal powers. A decision on whether to keep it paused is pending from a three-judge appeals court panel who signaled differing opinions during a hearing Wednesday.

The hearing followed days of back-and-forth on the subject. A U.S. Supreme Court order blocking the law from taking effect was allowed to expire earlier this week before it was blocked again, minutes later. Another Supreme Court order allowed the law to take effect Tuesday, before the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals halted it late Tuesday night.

Neither the appeals court nor the Supreme Court has yet ruled on the constitutionality of the law.

The Texas law makes it a crime to cross into the state illegally between ports of entry and allows state officials to order deportations of violators. The measure was passed by the Texas Legislature and signed last year by Republican Gov. Greg Abbott. The state’s Republican leaders and the Biden administration have been engaged in a protracted standoff over border policy.

The judges gave no indication of when they might take action on whether to continue the pause on the law’s enforcement.

Abbott signaled he would keep fighting to implement the law and called the brief allowance to do so Tuesday “clearly a positive development.” The Justice Department warned that allowing the law to begin would “throw immigration enforcement into chaos,” and undermine Washington’s enforcement powers.

In Eagle Pass, a small border city that has been the recent epicenter of Texas efforts against illegal immigration, the prospect of the new law has stirred an air of uncertainty and anxiety, police spokesman Humberto Garza said.

No arrests made under the law were immediately reported during the roughly eight-hour period the law was unexpectedly allowed to take effect Tuesday. Garza said the city’s department of about 65 officers would be required to enforce the law if it commences, but has no state instruction in how to do so. “We have no officers trained in immigration law,” he said.

Spokespeople for the Texas Department of Public Safety, which has been the primary agency handling the enforcement of the state’s border efforts, didn’t return messages seeking comment.

Even as SB 4 is tossed back and forth between the courts, the Eagle Pass police have fielded an increasing number of calls from residents reporting people they suspect are in the country without authorization, Garza said. The department will ask for guidance from state and federal authorities once the legal issues are settled, he said. “They’re playing volleyball with it over there,” he said. “We’re standing over here waiting for what it is we’re going to do.”

During the appeals court hearing Wednesday, Chief Judge Priscilla Richman, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, appeared skeptical of the law. She noted that no state previously had claimed the power to deport migrants and questioned how the state would carry out deportations and whether it would honor federal protections granted to people seeking asylum.


Migrants in Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, along the U.S. border near El Paso, Texas. PHOTO: HERIKA MARTINEZ/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
Judge Andrew S. Oldham, a former general counsel to Abbott who was appointed to the court by former President Donald Trump, seemed to question whether all provisions of the law could immediately be seen as invalid.

“We have no clue how this would be enforced,” he said.

The third judge, Irma Carrillo Ramirez, a border native and President Biden appointee who remained quiet during the hearing, could cast a decisive vote if the other two disagree.

For three years, Texas has been surging thousands of state police and National Guard soldiers to the border, arresting migrants found on state or private property on state misdemeanor trespassing charges, busing migrants to northern cities and erecting barriers along the Rio Grande. The state has spent or allocated more than $11 billion to the effort, with limited measures of impact.

Governors from some 13 states have voiced support for Abbott’s efforts and sent their own National Guard, state police or both to assist with it since 2021.

Some states are now following Texas’ legislative approach in testing state authority. Iowa lawmakers this week passed a bill that would make it a crime to re-enter the state after being deported. People who previously left the U.S. while facing a removal order—and those who have been denied entry to the country—also could face charges under the Iowa legislation, which is expected to be signed into law by Republican Gov. Kim Reynolds. Law enforcement wouldn’t be allowed to arrest people who are at schools and religious institutions or those visiting healthcare facilities for treatment.

Arguments in the Texas case have touched upon a precedent set in 2012, when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down most of a sweeping Arizona immigration law, dubbed for its “show me your papers” provision. Abbott said in December that he would welcome overturning the Arizona precedent. Attorneys and judges evaluating SB 4 have noted that to do so could allow all border states to make their own decisions as to whom to allow into the country.

Attorneys for the state of Texas have argued that SB 4 works in concert with federal law, rather than conflicting with it. They said the state is trying to assist with a border crisis Republican leaders claim federal authorities have failed to adequately address.

“I would point the court to the State of the Union—I’ve never done that before,” said Texas Solicitor General Aaron Nielson. “Everyone is concerned about the border.”

Nielson, however, was unable to answer many questions about the specifics of what the law’s enforcement would look like. The biggest question remains how Texas would conduct deportations. Under the law, migrants would be taken to ports of entry to return to Mexico, regardless of their country of origin. Mexico has said it won’t accept deportees from the state of Texas.

“We are against this draconian law,” President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said Wednesday during his daily press conference, adding that foreign policy isn’t up to state governments. “We would not accept deportations, once and for all, from the Texas state government.”

If migrants returned to the port can’t leave, Nielson said they would be rearrested by state authorities. The law allows people to be imprisoned for up to 20 years in such cases.

“This is the first time, it seems to me, the state has said they have the power to remove illegal aliens?” Richman asked.

“It depends on what we mean by removal,” Nielson responded.

Nielson couldn’t say whether people who entered the country in other states, and then traveled to Texas, could be arrested under the law. Democrats and civil-rights organizations have raised concerns about racial profiling if authorities try to enforce the law far from the border, by questioning suspected violators of how they entered the country.

Daniel Tenny, an attorney for the Justice Department, said the entirety of the Texas law is clearly pre-empted by federal immigration powers. Even if the court thought only the removal provisions were pre-empted, however, he said it would be extraordinary to let them go into effect in the short term.

“I am really concerned first in people’s ability to understand what the law permits or doesn’t permit,” said Ruben Garcia, executive director of Annunciation House in El Paso, a nonprofit that works with migrants. “The other thing that is very, very disconcerting is the potential arbitrariness with which the state of Texas may choose to apply the law…You’re now going to involve a whole new cast of officialdom in the immigration equation—individuals who have no training at all.”

Amid the uncertainty, police departments in the state’s biggest cities sought to reassure residents that they wouldn’t enforce SB 4 until it is clarified by courts and wouldn’t use it as pretext for racial profiling. “Although we will always follow the law, the primary responsibility for immigration enforcement and border protection should be left to our federal and state partners,” a Fort Worth Police Department statement said.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/app...-sides-on-texas-immigration-law-8bf64de4
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