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...Sadly, mac's hill isn't fancy enough for modern players....

This is a mole hill being made into a mountain situation.

If only our S&C coaches were worthy of an A- instead of a B+...


Here's the full set of report cards. You can sort on any of the eleven criteria.
https://nflpa.com/nfl-player-team-report-cards-2024

Atlanta Falcons S&C Coaches.. F-

mac posting multiple iterations of the report like it validates his original point. S&C coaches/staff got higher grades. It's the weight room itself and locker room (not even a room, a section of the indoor field that has the equipment set out... this was a hold-over from COVID, and I believe the old weight room was repurposed for other stuff (cryo chamber, etc).

Browns are supposedly in the process of putting together a new weight room.


What I found odd was comparing the grades vs the rankings. B+ for the S&C staff is good but the ranking is low. Seems weird.

Since you're the expert on injuries, Mac, just curious...


Where do the Falcons rank in injuries by the metrics you used to rank the Browns so low?

You have a lot of questions with nothing that actually ties the answers you provide to those question as in any way being accurate. AKA A fishing expedition. For there to be any validity to your assertions please explain how the Browns S&C department graded out at a B+. I'll wait.

And what does that have to do with the quality of the S&C staff? You keep trying to dodge bullets. Either by deflection or by outright ignoring things. So I'll ask again, if the Browns S&C staff is so bad, please explain how the Browns S&C department graded out at a B+? Still waiting.

The grade vs ranking was something I didn't get. I believe our S&C staff got a B or B+, which was good for a rank of 20th.... I don't really get that. You are so predictable that you focus on the rankings and ignore the grades. Keep grinding that axe, nobody is taking you seriously.

Food/Cafeteria was graded C+ but ranked 18
Nutritionist was also graded C+ but ranked 23rd (??)

Training Room was graded C+ but ranked 20th
Training Staff was graded B+ but ranked 24th (??)

Head Coach (who won CotY) was graded B- but ranked 28th (?!?)

During COVID, the team moved the weight room onto the indoor practice field. The room it was in was re-purposed for new equipment (I believe I read they got a cryo chamber, and other similar equipment). Now they're building out the new weight room, so the weight room grades are deserved but understandable.

Mac starts this type of thread every offseason.

Much like Grossi, he is interested in clicks, no matter how flimsy the point. This thread will keep getting bumped for months.

Yep. Eeeeeverytime there is an injury.

One question? That looks like 3. The way you connect dots, anything is possible.

Two answers.

I don't know.
We don't know.
They don't know.
The world may never know.

But I bet you do.

To be honest: A personal DT goal of mine is to start a thread and have it go 10 pages without a rhyme or reason.

The issue is: if I had a rhyme or reason or didn’t have one… I will never reach that goal. Some of us aren’t made to play the game no matter how hard we play.

#macLyfeRules
#ReturnoftheMacBSCDpart2comingsoon
#OurinjuriesareworsethanUrs
#mySnCDcanwhipurSnCDbutt
#whyamI#tagging?

Well Mac as I pointed out several times on these boards the Browns are expanding their facilities in Berea. Sorry it's not getting done fast enough for you.

https://neo-trans.blog/2023/10/11/browns-add-more-land-to-berea-development-site/

Cleveland Browns Alerted by Low NFLPA Report Card Rankings and Alarming Facility Concerns

By BVM Sportsdesk, 20h ago
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The Cleveland Browns received a low ranking in the NFLPA annual report cards, placing 23rd out of 32 teams overall. Players identified several key areas where the organization fell short, including treatment of family, the locker room, the training area, coaches, ownership, and food provided.

Specifically, the weight room was a major concern, ranking at No. 30. The treatment of families earned a D-, with early season issues regarding communication of injuries. The weight room was deemed below average and lacking equipment, while the training room was reported as understaffed, potentially contributing to the team's soft tissue injuries.

By the Numbers
Cleveland Browns ranked 23rd out of 32 teams in the NFLPA report cards
Weight room ranked at No. 30, ownership ranked 17th

State of Play
Browns' weight room is reported as below average, with a temporary setup taking up limited indoor practice space
Training room is understaffed, potentially contributing to soft tissue injuries

Bottom Line
The Cleveland Browns' low ranking in the NFLPA report cards highlights concerns regarding the organization's treatment of family, training facilities, and potential impact on player injuries.

Alarming issues spotlighted as Browns are slammed in NFLPA report card

The Cleveland Browns need to work on how they treat players and their families

By Randy Gurzi | Feb 28, 2024
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The NFLPA annual report cards are in and the Cleveland Browns have some work to do. Out of 32 teams in the league, they scored 23rd overall according to players when judging several key aspects of the organization. Focusing on areas such as treatment of family, the locker room, the training area, coaches, ownership, and food provided, the Browns fell short.

Cleveland finished outside of the top half of the league in every category with their weight room coming in as their worst at No. 30. Their top area was ownership, which was ranked 17th in the NFL. Beyond that, there were a lot of concerns with the treatment of families earning a D-.

Below are the two main issues players had with the way the organization treated their family and the second one is a major red flag.

"The postgame family meet-up area is a tent in the parking lot, which is rough in the winter weather"
"Early in the season, the team was not allowing players who had been carted off the field with a significant injury to contact their wives or loved ones from the locker room to let them know how they were doing"
Thankfully, this report says this was an issue early in the season. Hopefully, this changed because it's unbelievable to think someone couldn't tell a loved one how they were doing after suffering an injury on the field.

Another major area of concern is the weight room, where the majority of the players felt the equipment was below average and didn't have enough equipment. They also report that the current weight room is a temporary one that takes up 15-20 yards of their already limited indoor practice space. Although Kevin Stefanski has recently said they're building a new one now.

The training room is also an issue with there being claims that the room is understaffed. Physical therapists and trainers seem to be limited, which could help explain why the Browns suffered so many soft tissue injuries not just in 2023, but over the past several years.

We all hope to see some of these problem areas addressed but they went from 21st in the NFL in 2023 down to 23rd this year. If there were no changes from the previous report card, there might not be much this time around either.

93 percent of the players felt like they get an individualized plan and felt that the strength coaches significantly contribute to their success.

Are you kidding me? This is the first post in the thread. You called for them to be fired and listed them by name. Yes, you directly addressed the S&C staff.

Pit..The only names that franchise listed as being directly linked to the Strength and Conditioning Department...I listed them, as a source to reference. But I clearly addressed "THE PROGRAM".

I would hope that most would understand the Browns S&C program is much larger than just the names listed and as we now know, the 'decision makers' of the franchise must accept some of the responsibility for the high injury rate due to management's failure to upgrade the Browns facilities beyond "a temporary level". The Browns players have been waiting years for the upgrades that seem to get a lot of lip service but ultimately the responsibility falls back upon The Haslam Sports Group.

If you bothered to read the entire post you would see that I called for a need to learn more about the program.

I STARTED THE THREAD WITH THE FOLLOWING PARAGRAPH IN MY FIRST POST..."If ever there was an area where the ''analytics'' folks could do something to help the Browns, it is to take an ''honest'' look at the Browns approach to player health and conditioning. The Browns health and conditioning program has to be near the bottom of all 32 teams when it comes to players injured and out and on IR the Browns approach to player health and conditioning must be one of the worst of all NFL franchises."...(note: I made this comment weeks before the NFLPA survey results were known)

It seems that some would rather troll around trying to score "gotcha points" rather than add anything worthwhile to address the Browns high injury rate.

Yep, "heads need to roll as the failure of the Browns 'strength and conditioning program' is being exposed every week" isn't accusing the S&C staff directly or calling for them to be fired....... in mac's world.

Only troll here is you.

I thought you already told us....


It sounds as if you already said the problem is the S&C program and heads need to roll.

Bad injury luck

Bull...I'm not one to fall back on such an excuse as "just bad (injury) luck"..especially when the same issues have contributed to the Browns high rate of injuries have been a factor for several seasons. One season of bad luck injuries might be a reasonable excuse..but not if the problem persists for several seasons. There are "reasons" that are contributing to the Browns high rate of injuries and the problem continues because the franchise fails to adequately address the issues.

If it's the expertise of the training and conditioning staff...hire better people...

If it's a lack of adequate manning, hire more staff..therapists, trainers, yoga instructors...

If it's a lack of equipment...invest in the best equipment to improve the health of the team...

If it's a need for a larger facility, expand the present structure...

Kicking the can down the road hoping the high injury rate corrects itself...that is not an option.

Forward all resumes' to......

Cleveland Browns
76 Lou Groza Blvd.
Berea, OH 44017

To contact by phone; 440-824-3434

Bad things happen when large humans smash into each other repeatedly. It's the nature of the sport. Players are going to get injured unless they eliminate contact and/or go fully virtual. Joints/ligaments weren't designed to take impacts in excess of 1600 pounds of force from any and every direction.

Football Physics: The Anatomy of a Hit

93 percent of the players felt like they get an individualized plan and felt that the strength coaches significantly contribute to their success.

Yeah but what about that other seven per cent?

Which might be 4 malcontents.

j/c:

I know we can put users on ignore but can we do the same with threads?

Actually, post here again and I'll let you know. Wow this may be a game-changer.