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What "everyone wants"? If the Browns are making their decisions on "what everyone wants" they're doing it wrong. I have no idea what positions they want to address in the FA market. I have no idea how many player contracts they will restructure in order to open up more cap room for this year. We won a lot of games with Flacco with the WR's we have currently. I don't think we would have won more games with DTR or P.J. Walker if the WR's were better.


So you think having a weak backup QB is a better option?



That's true. It's all about your priorities. And as we saw last year, you won't do anything with crappy backup QB's if your starter goes down.

It's almost as if you missed my post entirely. The entire post was predicated on "But hopefully that cost will be something within reason."

Only in Cleveland.
You overpay dearly for a underachieving QB.3 1st RD draft picks.
Highest paid QB in NFL history. His claim to fame.
Interesting liasons with Houston area massage therapists.

Then you sign a QB off the couch who puts up offensive
Numbers in 6 games without the benefit of offseason
To learn the playbook. Stats that projected over a full season
Equates to Watsons best season in Houston
So you have a QB you paid the minimum for but you got
max production from considering his lack of explosive weapons

Now that QB wants to be a starter in Cleveland Flacco is
Saying HE IS A BETTER QB THAN WATSON .

You can't find 2 QB who are more opposite of each other
One has won playoff games and a SB.
The other has only been to the playoffs
One QB thrives in a structured system
The other likes a back yard playbook

Only Flacco didn't say he was after the starting job. We certainly know he isn't asking for starter money of he thinks he can come back to the Browns. And he never claimed to be better than watson. How often do you make this BS up in your own mind?

Reading your posts, and your T9 inspired formatting, often inspires me to pen a Haiku.

Sometimes one does well
Sometimes better than others
Such is life and sports

Another less than average player that Berry has locked into years of dead cap with prorated bonuses. A trade now or even a release after the season will leave the Browns with millions left to apply to the cap in the future. If I'm an opposing team in need of an offensive tackle, trading a 3rd or 4th round pick for Wills on a $1,125,000 show me year contract is a no brainer now.

from OTC:
YEAR_______Base Salary____Prorated Bonus__Roster Bonus__Guaranteed Salary______CAP Number______Cap %____Dead Money____Cap Savings
2024_______$1,125,000_____$3,057,152____$0___________$1,125,000___________$14,581,352______5.0%______$15,953,408___($1,372,056)
2025_______Void___________$3,057,152____Void_________ Void_________________$11,771,256______4.5%______$11,771,256___$0
2026_______Void___________$3,057,152____Void_________ Void_________________$0______________0.0%_______$8,714,104___($8,714,104)
2027_______Void___________$3,057,152____Void_________ Void_________________$0______________0.0%_______$5,656,952___($5,656,952)
2028_______Void___________$2,599,800____Void_________ Void_________________$0______________0.0%_______$2,599,800___($2,599,800)

For anyone that would look at the above breakdown, the last two columns are a calculated system based on if he was cut pre/post June, traded, etc. In the above instance, it shows if he were to be cut pre-June 1.

https://overthecap.com/player/jedrick-wills/8750

Ahh... thanks.

Different picture isn't it?

I don't know. Why don't you explain it to us?

The chain pops off this and he gets injured agian?

To be correct, your scenario only applies if he is cut this year post June 1. A trade makes all the prorated bonus money due to the Browns cap since they are the ones that restructured the deal.

A cut post June 1st would have a dead cap of $4,182,152 in 2024 and a dead cap hit of $11,771,256 in 2025. A trade in 2024 would leave the Browns with a dead cap hit of $14,828,408 pre-June 1st and a dead cap hit of $3,057,152 in 2024 and $11,77,256 in 2025 with a post June 1 trade (the trading team would be responsible for the new $1,125,000 base salary generated by Berry's restructure).

The window for picking up the 5th year option is from the end of the regular season to an appointed time in the beginning of May just after the NFL draft. Once a players fifth-year option is exercised, it is fully guaranteed as is the base salary for the players fourth year of their contract.

Berry restructuring Wills doesn't change the fact that the entire amount is guaranteed for cap purposes, must be accounted for, and will have add-ons on all the previous prorated bonuses.

You cannot trade prorated bonuses so the Berry's new restructure on Wills keeps the Browns on the hook for $14,828,408 with a trade or $15,953,408 without to be applied to the cap over the next 2 years to part ways with Wills either by trade, cut, or contract end after this season.

Just a note: if Berry hadn't restructured Wills, he could have traded Wills and his guaranteed base salary of $14,175,000 this year and applied those savings to the salary cap and only incurred $1,778,408 in total dead cap but that boat has sailed now.

No compensatory for the Browns

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...nsatory-picks-with-49ers-the-big-winners


Here’s the full list of compensatory picks:
Round 3, Pick 96: Jacksonville
Round 3, Pick 97: Philadelphia
Round 3, Pick 98: Los Angeles Rams
Round 3, Pick 99: San Francisco
Round 4, Pick 132: San Francisco
Round 4, Pick 133: Buffalo
Round 4, Pick 134: Baltimore

Round 5, Pick 167: New Orleans
Round 5, Pick 168: Green Bay
Round 5, Pick 169: New Orleans
Round 5, Pick 170: Philadelphia
Round 5, Pick 171: Philadelphia
Round 5, Pick 172: Kansas City
Round 5, Pick 173: Dallas
Round 5, Pick 174: New Orleans
Round 5, Pick 175: San Francisco

Round 6, Pick 208: Cincinnati
Round 6, Pick 209: Los Angeles Rams
Round 6, Pick 210: Philadelphia
Round 6, Pick 211: San Francisco
Round 6, Pick 212: Jacksonville
Round 6, Pick 213: Los Angeles Rams
Round 6, Pick 214: Cincinnati
Round 6, Pick 215: San Francisco
Round 6, Pick 216: Dallas
Round 6, Pick 217: Los Angeles Rams
Round 6, Pick 218: New York Jets
Round 6, Pick 219: Green Bay
Round 6, Pick 220: Tampa Bay

Round 7, Pick 253: Los Angeles Chargers
Round 7, Pick 254: Los Angeles Rams
Round 7, Pick 255: Green Bay
Round 7, Pick 256: New York Jets
Round 7, Pick 257: New York Jets

So, the niners get a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 2 6ths? Who did they lose to get that haul?

it might be a combo of who they lost and who from the FO got hired (I don't know the answer to either of them)

In terms of Flacco: I would love to sign him as the backup.

San Francisco got a third-round pick, a fourth-round pick, a fifth-round pick and two sixth-round picks this year, adding the most draft capital of any team in the league.

The 49ers were one of two teams, along with the Rams, that benefited from the NFL rule awarding a third-round compensatory picks to teams that develop a minority candidate who gets hired away as a head coach or G.M. on another team.

Not sure how I feel about this, he's been quite an underachiever.

Edit: well for only a 5th and a 6th he's worth a shot.

I’m good with a 5th and a 6th.

Don’t know if it’s the same pick, but we traded Dobbs for a 2024 5th rounder

I'm not sure either but the kid is only 24 and certainly looks like a legit #2 WR at worse. I can't complain about that for the price tag.

Cooper, Jeudy, Moore, Tillman. Bell and Goodwin to bottom it out. The WR rm isn't looking too horrible.

I definitely agree with you. Surrounded by Cooper and Njoku, should give him a great opportunity to succeed. It will be up to him to take advantage of that.

Last year, Denver wanted a second if I recall correctly.

Also, I think the Browns will need to make a decision on whether or not to pick up his fifth year option. This is the last year of his contract. He is only 24.

While I believe they may sill draft a WR I think it takes a second round pick at WR off the table.

Looks like Denver already picked it up. 2024 is the fifth year.

I agree. This is a good move and now, IMO, we will probably use our 2nd on D. Of course, it still matters on whom we sign in FA but the trade gives us options.

Yup. Unless he earns an extension, it is a 1-year rental with a $13M cap hit..... so, expect a new deal to happen shortly after he gets here that turns that $13 million into a signing bonus and adds a year or three.

Okay then. Less likely than it was yesterday.

j/c...

Browns go with a vet WR instead of early in the draft (most likely anyway) with the team being in win now mode. Jeudy has been a disappointment to date in his career, but he was cheap to acquire and hopefully a change of scenery propels his career forward.

Steve Smith Sr. is not a fan!

Yea, it was supposedly a second.

I love the patience Berry has had the past few years. He hasn't been perfect, which means he's human lol. However, he and his staff have done an excellent job of running the business.

- They've done a great job of managing the cap and keeping pieces in place.
- They've used their mid-round picks to add pieces through trades (this trade has low risk, high upside). Za'Darius Smith, Cooper, Hopkins to name a few.
- Brought in solid vets with great work ethic/locker room presence
- Always actively trying to improve the team by churning the bottom of the roster
- Every off season they've attacked their perceived weak positions by going all out and turning it into a strength

I thought we weren't going to have any money this year, what happened?

The sky isn't falling.

Nice pick-up.

Jeudy didn't meet expectations in Denver, but now at a lower cost he will meet expectations here. He should be a solid #2 across from Coop.

he has had a bad habit of pouting and dropping big passes ... but he does have great route running and speed