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It's truly amazing. Look at what the guy has done this year......and all he gets on this board is grief.  It isn't a wonder why I didn't really miss the board.
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It's truly amazing. Look at what the guy has done this year......and all he gets on this board is grief.
It isn't a wonder why I didn't really miss the board.
So Vers, when I watch the game I see some things I really don't like in Anderson. I root for him like hell and have cheered him in every game. I have serious doubts, however, about his ability to improve and be the QB we need to take us to the next steps as a team.
Does that somehow make me terrible and worthy of ridicule in your eyes and a reason to "not miss this board"? I don't get it, I really don't.
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No, it doesn't make you terrible.
It either makes you blind to the game of football or someone who wants Quinn in there so badly, that you are deceiving yourself.
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Well .... here are the choices .......
Offer DA a one year tender and
a) Another team signs him and we match
b) Another team signs him and we take the picks
c) We trade his rights for less than the "tag" value
d) He signs and starts with Quinn backing him up
e) He signs and backs up Quinn
f) He signs a long term deal and Quinn is moved
g) He signs a long term deal and the Browns stay pat on the QB position for another year (at least)
h) He doesn't sign anywhere
I can't think of any other posibilities off the top of my head.
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No, it doesn't make you terrible.
It either makes you blind to the game of football or someone who wants Quinn in there so badly, that you are deceiving yourself.
It has nothing to do with Quinn, I assure you of that. You can think I'm blind, I must admit I feel the same way about people who are sold on Anderson. They either aren't watching the same games I am or they have backed Anderson and are too stubborn to admit his problems. We disagree and pretty much hold the same opinion about each other's.
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There's a problem w/your logic. I'm not sold on Anderson.
I have only made public one side of my thoughts about him. I have done that because he is facing unfair criticism by too many people on this board.
Let's get real here, Jules. Did you look at some of the numbers this guy has put up? Did you not notice how the offensive line improved as soon as he was inserted into the lineup? Have you not heard the comments from Fraley and other o-linemen who say the DA is a big reason for the lower sack totals? Have you not seen he is the player of the year for the Browns? Have you not seen that teams are playing more men off the LOS than in the past? Have you not noticed that he is set to break some TEAM marks? Have you not noticed that he was Pro Bowl alternate in the conference that has the best QBs?
And what, my dear, has BQ done on the pro level that will tell you that he will be any better than Anderson?
There's something offal about all this hate for Anderson. I'm not saying he is the answer just yet, but he sure as hell deserves less criticism and more praise than he has gotten thus far. And he also deserves a fair shot at competing for the starting job next year.......and if any of you have been paying attention........the message out of Berea has been the same as mine!
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and if any of you have been paying attention........the message out of Berea has been the same as mine!
And just what would you expect Berea to say about him when they may be looking to offload him? 
And, his numbers have been falling and quickly.
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There have been a number of people who seem unwilling to even entertain the thought that Anderon could be the long term solution for this team. Kinda funny, actually. There have been a lot of QBs with a less impressive body of work who have been embraced, coddled, humped, fried, and whatever people did with Garcia and Dilfer.
What really amazes me is that so many think that DA can "never" improve on his weaker areas, and that he is somehow a finished product in his 1st full year as a starter.
Anderson could well be the 1st Browns QB EVER to win 7 home games if we win this weekend. Ever. Wasn't done by Couch ..... or Frye ..... or Sipe .... or Kosar .... or any other QB to wear the Orange helmet. I dunno .... call me crazy, but that means something to me. It's not all QB ..... but this isn't a team like the Ravens of years gone by that has won despite their QB.
he also has that inate ability to put everything else aside at "winning time", remain calm, and drive the team down the field to winning points.
Also, one other thing that has bothered me is people talking about how weak our schedule has been. Well ..... you can only play the schedule you play ... and coming into this season, our opponents had a 2006 winning % of .506. That was tied with the Ravens ..... and just behind the Bengals and Steelers opponents' .512. Our 2007 opponents went a combined 130-126 in 2006. The Raiders and Bills had the "toughest" schedule, with their 2007 opponents having gone 138-118 in 2006. Of course ... then the bottom fell out on teams like the Broncos ..... Dolphins ..... Chiefs ...... and other teams expected to have difficult games against teams like the Bears, Falcons, Rams, Ravens, and Bengals saw a much easier road. People love to talk about how "hard" next year's schedule will be ..... but no one really knows the difficulty of the schedule until the year has played out.
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And, his numbers have been falling and quickly.
Classic. 
1. What, the wind was not a factor? Gee, how did the opposing QBs do against our putrid defense the past few weeks?
2. I suppose you think his stats from earlier in the season shouldn't count?
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There's a problem w/your logic. I'm not sold on Anderson.
Just as there is something wrong with your's when you lump me in with the haters (if there is such a thing).
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Let's get real here, Jules. Did you look at some of the numbers this guy has put up? Did you not notice how the offensive line improved as soon as he was inserted into the lineup? Have you not heard the comments from Fraley and other o-linemen who say the DA is a big reason for the lower sack totals? Have you not seen he is the player of the year for the Browns? Have you not seen that teams are playing more men off the LOS than in the past? Have you not noticed that he is set to break some TEAM marks? Have you not noticed that he was Pro Bowl alternate in the conference that has the best QBs?
Sure, I've noticed all of those things. I've also noticed that we have played a VERY weak schedule and I've seen him make plays that were exactly like he made in the Bengals game but, get luckier than hell that nobody picked him off. I've seen him be innacurate and make very poor decisions and what I see now is that it's catching up to him and now biting him and the team in the rear.
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And what, my dear, has BQ done on the pro level that will tell you that he will be any better than Anderson?
Obviously nothing on the pro level, kind sir, however you can say that about any QB coming out of the draft.
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There's something offal about all this hate for Anderson. I'm not saying he is the answer just yet, but he sure as hell deserves less criticism and more praise than he has gotten thus far. And he also deserves a fair shot at competing for the starting job next year.......and if any of you have been paying attention........the message out of Berea has been the same as mine!
Again, you call it hate, which is not the case. If he competes for the starting job next year, fine, all the power to him. I don't think he'll win the battle though. I do think Quinn will be the better QB. Do I know for certain? Absolutely not. It is still my opinion that a very good line and a weak schedule has helped a slightly below average QB into one who has put up a good number of wins and some good numbers. And if we can get something in return for him now, I think this would be the time to do it. I have no problem with these two QBs competing for the job next year though, none at all.
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Also, one other thing that has bothered me is people talking about how weak our schedule has been. Well ..... you can only play the schedule you play
And in their minds.....that weak schedule has only benefited DA and RAC, while Chud, Edwards, the offensive line, etc did well only because they are so good. 
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What really amazes me is that so many think that DA can "never" improve on his weaker areas, and that he is somehow a finished product in his 1st full year as a starter.
Accuracy is difficult to master if a QB doesn't already have it.
The other thing with Anderson is his lack of control on his passes...as have been mentioned way too many times, a lot of his throws either sail, are behind , make the recievers bend, twist, jump and stretch out..
Anyone thinks that analysis is hate is offbase..
Also, one other thing that has bothered me is people talking about how weak our schedule has been. Well ..... you can only play the schedule you play
I understand why that is brought up..the better defenses schemed him early on and took his deep routes away..the weaker defenses couldn't adjust ..
Later on especially after the bye week most teams were scheming him off the deep routes ..and he just isn't consistant or has enough touch/accuracy to hit the underneath routes..
Thats the type of QB he is..great at being able to sling the ball downfield at will but take that away and he struggles..and that kills scoring opportunities..
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Classic.
1. What, the wind was not a factor? Gee, how did the opposing QBs do against our putrid defense the past few weeks?
2. I suppose you think his stats from earlier in the season shouldn't count?
Vers, you can back the guy all you like, just don't act like those of us who aren't SOLD on him are stupid. That's what's annoying. You don't know everything, I don't know everything, and even RAC doesn't know everything about DA or BQ. Trading him off could be a stupid move in hindsight...or the best move we've ever made. Only time will tell.
And, sure...conditions play a big role in things....but I didn't see opposing QBs making nearly as many STUPID throws as DA has been making. Last I checked guys can't really catch with their feet or throw their arms 5 yards behind them to make a play. And why has he been staring down receivers? Has he always done that and I never noticed?
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I agree with the choices,except this one Quote:
f) He signs a long term deal and Quinn is moved
I don't think moving Quinn right now or in the future is even an option until we know for sure what we have in him.
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Just as there is something wrong with your's when you lump me in with the haters (if there is such a thing).
I really don't remember calling you out by name. I think you put yourself in that group...all on your own......w/little help from me.
Have a good one, Jules. 
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I don't think moving Quinn right now or in the future is even an option until we know for sure what we have in him.
I just tried to lay out all of the possibilities.
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Vers, you can back the guy all you like, just don't act like those of us who aren't SOLD on him are stupid. That's what's annoying. You don't know everything, I don't know everything, and even RAC doesn't know everything about DA or BQ. Trading him off could be a stupid move in hindsight...or the best move we've ever made. Only time will tell.
And, sure...conditions play a big role in things....but I didn't see opposing QBs making nearly as many STUPID throws as DA has been making. Last I checked guys can't really catch with their feet or throw their arms 5 yards behind them to make a play. And why has he been staring down receivers? Has he always done that and I never noticed?
If I may butt in...
As far as the staring down receivers thing goes...Rich Gannon mentioned he did that in the Raiders game...and it was almost like he was giving a fake look off before throwing downfield, this was before one of his picks.
And when you have the stadium view that shows the play better, it becomes more obvious.
I don't see us as haters per say...but I don't see why critiquing is a bad thing. Not being able to criticize flaws is almost 1984-like. Especially when we don't have a Manning or Brady on our hands. To be honest, I think the most fair comparison of DA is Jake Delhomme. And that's no insult as he had several good seasons, but he's not the guy who can stay around 10-12 years.
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Well Michelle...........I am not trying to say you are all stupid. That was never my intent.
Additionally, like I said before...........I have some questions about DA. I just haven't voiced them on here due to the inordinate amount of grief he gets on this board.
My biggest concern is I really don't think he handles the rush very well. His footwork is not all that great and he needs a lot of room to get his throws off. I also think his decision making is questionable, although I did notice improvement there. I don't think his accuracy is nearly as bad as people on here make it out to be. Hell, and NFL coach commented about how accurate he is. I've seen the guy make throws that were unbelievably accurate. I do think the wind had a lot to do w/his lack of accuracy the past three weeks.
Staring down receivers..........hmmmm..........good question. I thought he did it a lot in the first three games or so, but has improved on that a lot throughout the season. He did revert to it against the Bengals, but again, I think the windy conditions had a lot to do w/that. The wind is the single hardest thing for a QB to overcome. Not the cold. Not the rain. Not the snow. Hell Michelle, DA made throws in that wind that very few QBs are capable of, but it messes w/your mind and it certainly adversely hinders your throws. It is wrong to discount the windy conditions he's played in the last three weeks. Look at what the opposing QBs have done against the worst defense in the league. They stunk too. In fact, they were worse than DA.
The guy is young and has some skills that cannot be taught. I'm sure a guy like Parcells or Belichick would think highly of him. I do think he needs to improve, but I also think he can improve. Am I ready to proclaim him as a franchise QB? No. But I have seen enough good things to know that he deserves more time........not to mention..........a little bit more credit and a lot less grief.
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What really amazes me is that so many think that DA can "never" improve on his weaker areas, and that he is somehow a finished product in his 1st full year as a starter.
Accuracy is difficult to master if a QB doesn't already have it.
The other thing with Anderson is his lack of control on his passes...as have been mentioned way too many times, a lot of his throws either sail, are behind , make the recievers bend, twist, jump and stretch out..
Anyone thinks that analysis is hate is offbase..
Also, one other thing that has bothered me is people talking about how weak our schedule has been. Well ..... you can only play the schedule you play
I understand why that is brought up..the better defenses schemed him early on and took his deep routes away..the weaker defenses couldn't adjust ..
Later on especially after the bye week most teams were scheming him off the deep routes ..and he just isn't consistant or has enough touch/accuracy to hit the underneath routes..
Thats the type of QB he is..great at being able to sling the ball downfield at will but take that away and he struggles..and that kills scoring opportunities..
I have often said, about many previous QBs, that the proof is in how they adjust to the adjustments other teams make to their strengths. I would say that the jury is still out on DA.
I do see a LOT of people really going overboard based on the game against the Bengals. As the weather worsens, of course QBs and passing games will struggle. Tom Brady has thrown 8 INTs all season. 3 have come in his last 2 games. Brett favre has thrown 7 of his 15 INTs in his last 4 games.
One other consideration is that Anderson has never played this many games in a season, He also hasn't played regularly since college. He could be wearing down a bit as he season has worn on.
As far as DA's accuracy ... one thing that has troubled me is that he'll throw without setting his feet. When he does this he is horribly inaccurate. His accuracy improves greatly when his feet are sound. This is something that can be worked on, and "coached up".
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OK ... I'm starting to agree with Vers quite a bit here and it's starting to freak me out.  LOL
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Sure, he's made some very good throws, no doubt about it. I didn't realize that was the "debate" with him. As a matter of fact, I'm not really sure what the entire debate is even about. He's made some very good plays and some very bad. Doesn't that happen to every QB? If Anderson wins out in camp then he's our guy and that's fine. Personally, I'm curious to see if the hype over BQ pans out, so I hope HE wins out. I don't want the DA I've seen this season as our franchise QB...he's not THAT good. I want an elite QB...and I personally feel that BQ gives us a better opportunity to have one than DA ever will. (And, yes, that's without ever seeing him play a down in the NFL. That's just how UNimpressed I am with Anderson.)
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I have often said, about many previous QBs, that the proof is in how they adjust to the adjustments other teams make to their strengths. I would say that the jury is still out on DA.
It's still out because he's not consistant in his adjustments..
As far as DA's accuracy ... one thing that has troubled me is that he'll throw without setting his feet. When he does this he is horribly inaccurate
Yes, but I've seen him when he''s settled and still is inaccurate..a lot of it is timing..getting the ball out before the receiver breaks..
Now the other thing that really incriminates him is his post snap read..or not wanting to adjust to what he sees...trying to force balls into tight coverage is not going to get you a lot of high percentage completions as we have seen..
It gets picks...too many and too costly..
Throw the ball away or go through the checkdowns..
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Not really making a point,, just found it odd that Ammo appears to think it's crazy for any other team to go for an Unknown, 1st round pick, but that it's ok for us to do.... I find that odd.. that's all...
Perhaps I'm reading him wrong, but I don't think so.
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Let me ask this.. Lets suppose we tender the big one to DA, and by hook or crook.. he gets an offer from another team, and the terms are acceptable. We trade.
The assumption here would naturally be that BQ is the starter. Who's the backup? Dorsey? GMAFB.. he's bright and all that (or at least we are told so) but, I've seen the guy at camp and he's got a noodle for an arm.. Ewww... I'd rather bring him on the coaching staff as an assistant QB coach and find me a viable backup QB.. this is what worries me.
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I have often said, about many previous QBs, that the proof is in how they adjust to the adjustments other teams make to their strengths. I would say that the jury is still out on DA.
It's still out because he's not consistant in his adjustments..
As far as DA's accuracy ... one thing that has troubled me is that he'll throw without setting his feet. When he does this he is horribly inaccurate
Yes, but I've seen him when he''s settled and still is inaccurate..a lot of it is timing..getting the ball out before the receiver breaks..
Now the other thing that really incriminates him is his post snap read..or not wanting to adjust to what he sees...trying to force balls into tight coverage is not going to get you a lot of high percentage completions as we have seen..
It gets picks...too many and too costly..
Throw the ball away or go through the checkdowns..
Yet our 3rd down conversion rate is the best it's been in a long time. It was 36.6% in 2004, 33.0% in 2005, 33.5% in 2006, and has jumped all the way up to 41.5% in 2007.
Turnovers? 18 INTs by DA, plus 1 by Frye. We have 28 total turnovers as a team. We had 42 last year. That's a marked improvement. Hell, Frye had 17 INTs last year to go along with 13 fumbles, (8 lost) and people blamed the line, the receivers .... the weather .... solar activity ..... te lunar effect on the tides .... the astrological chart ... the FBI, the CIA, the KGB, PMS, ESP, ATMs, and ESPN for most of them. Lat year Frye threw 393 passes, and had 17 picked off. This year Anderson has thrown 308, with 18 picked off. Pretty big turnaround for one year.
I have long said that plays tend to even out over the course of the season. "Bad" passes that "could have been" intercepted, or "bad" passes that somehow get caught are balanced out by good passes that bounce off receivers, or are flat out dropped. (like the Palmer TD in the last game where his receiver bailed him out by suddenly having his arms grow an extra 2.14 inches so he could just manage to catch the ball, and another wide open receiver, hit in stride, and in the hands ....... who just dropped the ball)
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Not really making a point,, just found it odd that Ammo appears to think it's crazy for any other team to go for an Unknown, 1st round pick, but that it's ok for us to do.... I find that odd.. that's all...
Perhaps I'm reading him wrong, but I don't think so.
I would assume that Quinn isn't as big an unknown because the Browns have had an opportunity to see him in practices over the course of the entire year. Not the same as game action ...... but at least an indication of how well h understands the offense ... if he can make throws .... etc.
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what kills me is that some think everyone of our players should be playing at a pro bowl level on every snap and that if any mistakes are made by a player that they are a bum,as far as DA i watched him play at oregon state and some games you would think he was one of the top qb's in the nation then he would just impload and rip out the hearts of beaver fan,sound familiar ?
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I think Phil and RAC and CHUD know the limitations that are presented by Dorsey and will find another guy to be the next back up QB in Cleveland
I really expect them to get a vet! But who knows
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I would assume that Quinn isn't as big an unknown because the Browns have had an opportunity to see him in practices over the course of the entire year.
True enough,,, but what is really the difference,, and Unknown is an Unknown. Some may be less than others, but still, it's UNKNOWN.
Either way, I still find it odd that it's ok for us to take a chance but it isn't for another team... that was all I was trying to say.
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The guy is young and has some skills that cannot be taught. I'm sure a guy like Parcells or Belichick would think highly of him. I do think he needs to improve, but I also think he can improve. Am I ready to proclaim him as a franchise QB? No. But I have seen enough good things to know that he deserves more time........not to mention..........a little bit more credit and a lot less grief.
Alot of us on here are hoping that some other GM's feel the same way you do right now.
So that being the assumption, the question is, if we do tender him to the high tender (1st and 3rd compensation), and someone swoops in and offers a contract, let's just say it's Minn., do you match their offer or take the picks and run?
Thier is a reason I picked Minn. also. They have a pretty darn good O-Line and a helluva running game to go with speed recievers that can run the deep routes that DA excels at. Not to mention they play half of their games in a dome.
I think the only thing that ALOT of us are saying is that this team, while having a great yr., still needs alot of help/improvement, to be considered LEGITAMATE contenders. And getting back into the 1st round and that extra 3rd, could go a long way in getting back to that respectablility.
Even if BQ struggles, as most 1st yr. starters do, like DA has as a 1st yr. starter. BQ would have an EVEN BETTER TEAM around him to help get through those early troubles.
At least that is what I am hoping for.
If I spoke for others and shouldn't have........I apoligize.
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But I have seen enough good things to know that he deserves more time........not to mention..........a little bit more credit and a lot less grief.
LOL.. which is odd because some of us think he deserves a little LESS credit and a lot more accountability...
As far as time... I think time is great but we don't have 2 or 3 years to watch this thing unfold and THEN make a decision. We can't wait to see how much DA can improve, we can't keep DA and let Quinn play next year, then compare and make a decision..
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Even if BQ struggles, as most 1st yr. starters do, like DA has as a 1st yr. starter.
The guy has "struggled" to within reach of the team TD record. We should all struggle so.
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So instead of ignoring the whole drift of my post........
why don't YOU answer the question........
If a team, such as Minn., gives DA an offer after we make him a RFA with the high tender,........Do you match that offer or take the picks ?
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Given that productive QBs are so difficult to find ...... I keep him. If, down the road, I feel that Quinn can exceed his production, then I might shop him around ..... but at this point I don't break up a very productive offense on the basis of what might be .....
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As far as time... I think time is great but we don't have 2 or 3 years to watch this thing unfold and THEN make a decision.
what's the difference between waiting for DA to develop and waiting for Quinn to develop? No matter what, it's gonna take some time don't you think?
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Yes, whichever one we start is going to take a few years to reach their full potential... my point was, I don't think we can keep them both on roster and keep them both happy, while we wait for that to happen... not to mention, if we do keep them both on the roster then one will be developing on the field and the other will be on the sidelines so we won't know how much he COULD HAVE developed... It's not an easy decision, but it's one that has to be made.
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#GMSTRONG
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Oh ... and one other thing that jusy makes me shake my head is this:
People look at Anderson throwing 28 TDs so far, and say stuff like "well with this offense, anyone could do that" ... or that the "other guy" could do even better ...... or words to that effect. Really? DA might well set the all time franchise record for TD passes in a season, and people act like it's all the team, and the QB has had nothing to do with it. It's really a quite perverse reversal of years past.
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Then of course there is the possible lost opportunity of actually getting getting something in trade or waiting a year or so and either letting one of them walk for nothing or having their value drop so much that they are essentially not worth anything.
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