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If we look at all of those previous Browns teams ...... the good, bad, and ugly ..... exactly 1 QB, exactly 1 time, had more TD passes than DA did this year.

If "any QB" could do what DA did this year ... given that we have had some really, really good teams (or maybe even more talented) in the past ..... why haven't they?

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I understand that he has some weaknesses, and some areas to be improved upon ... but man I just don't get the whole "anyone could do it" mentality.

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There's been a lot of mind readers on here lately.

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I knew you were going to say that

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You simply cannot have your QB lose the game for you when the season is on the line Nuff Said.

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I take it that it's ok to lose the game, as long as your QB doesn't lose it for you then? am I reading you right?

I keep thinking back to the year we had Dwayne Rudd here.. lost us the KC game that year.. Can't remember if it cost us anything or not, (besides the actual game that is) but I guess him tossing his helmut is ok with you then, ,cause he's not a QB

I'm just having some fun with you Gary,, but I hope you get my drift..

I know nobody wants to look at it this way, but you can't erase the good things that DA did just because he had a bad,,,no, make that horrible game.

When it's all said and done, had they judged any QB in the HOF based on the worst game of his career, Needless to say, there wouldn't be any QB's in the HOF... Just a thought.

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Everybody seems to be focused on the Touchdowns DA threw during the season,my take is he threw 4 PICKS in the biggest game of the season and its not like the DB'S made good plays on him they were just bad throws.

You simply cannot have your QB lose the game for you when the season is on the line Nuff Said.

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Agreed, It is hard for some around here to comprehend the idea that championship teams and championship QBs find ways to win when the win is most needed.

We definatly don't have either yet!

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Everybody seems to be focused on the Touchdowns DA threw during the season,my take is he threw 4 PICKS in the biggest game of the season and its not like the DB'S made good plays on him they were just bad throws.

You simply cannot have your QB lose the game for you when the season is on the line Nuff Said.

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Everybody seems to be focused on the Touchdowns DA threw during the season,my take is he threw 4 PICKS in the biggest game of the season and its not like the DB'S made good plays on him they were just bad throws.

You simply cannot have your QB lose the game for you when the season is on the line Nuff Said.

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You also can't lose 5 other games either. And all 5 of those weren't on DA's shoulders. Should he have performed better in the Cincy game? Absolutely! Do I blame him for us not being in the playoffs? Not by a long shot. Will he start for the Browns in 2008. No clue, I'm not a coach, I don't see what they see in practices.

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Agreed we did lose other games !! but as corpusdawg said earlier good QB"S find ways to win especially in the big ones.During the Arizona and Bungals games arguably the 2 biggest of the season he puked all over himself,even a half way decent game by DA would have been enough.Dont get me wrong I appreciate his contributions and team leadership however to me he is NOT the future if this franchise.And YES I am going to say it now "he is the reason we are sitting home this weekend"

I know what some of you are thinking now "well he is the one who got us there" Well yes to some degree ,however I give most credit to the OL,the recieving corps which made DA look like Joe Montana,Jamal Lewis,Cribbs and the opposing DB'S who dropped a lot of DA's errant passes.Am i Pissed !! Yes I am If DA had only a MEDIOCRE game against the Bungals then this week were talking Chargers v. Browns a intriging matchup.For me it is not easily forgiven,I dont mind losing but handing a game over to a horrible team that tried its hardest to hand it back to us is just UNFORGIVABLE.

All the work we did and all the respect we were getting went right into the hands of the second string DB'S of the Bungals who all of a sudden found footballs hitting them right in between the numbers all day long.and with that the 2007 NFL playoffs.
Not to mention THE SAME OLD BROWNS !!!

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I take it that it's ok to lose the game, as long as your QB doesn't lose it for you then? am I reading you right?

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Most, but not all, of our troubles this year revolved around the QB making turnovers and the defensive front not stopping the run or getting a consistent pass rush... at least that's how I see it...

So those are the two things we need to fix.. you do the math.

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Most, but not all, of our troubles this year revolved around the QB making turnovers and the defensive front not stopping the run or getting a consistent pass rush...

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I don't know either... but I do know that between the defense and the QB, one of them seemed to make good progress throughout the year, the other didn't.

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I don't know either... but I do know that between the defense and the QB, one of them seemed to make good progress throughout the year, the other didn't.

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ITA. But, my question is, don't you feel like a broken record by now?

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It's all good...I agree with him. I just think by now he would be tired of repeating the same thoughts over and over (as is everyone, I'm sure). I know I'm tired of reading the same thoughts over and over. And even THINKING the same thoughts over and over.

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LMFAO

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I knew you were going to say that

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I knew you knew.

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It's all good...I agree with him. I just think by now he would be tired of repeating the same thoughts over and over (as is everyone, I'm sure). I know I'm tired of reading the same thoughts over and over. And even THINKING the same thoughts over and over.

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I dont understand why your reading them then.

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I dont understand why your reading them then.

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It's like a train wreck.... Besides, I wasn't being critical...it was an honest question.

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Most, but not all, of our troubles this year revolved around the QB making turnovers and the defensive front not stopping the run or getting a consistent pass rush... at least that's how I see it...

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I'm glad you added ...."at least that's how I see it......"

We won six more games this year than last year. Our offense was one of the better Os in the league. We scored a ton of points and challenged many long-standing team records. And you focus on the negative.

What really kills me is that many of the same people who are bashing DA are the same people who made excuse after excuse for the Timid one.

Unreal!

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What really kills me is that many of the same people who are bashing DA are the same people who made excuse after excuse for the Timid one.

Unreal!

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I believe what's happening here is that no one is used to winning and so have no idea what to want now, except more.

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I think that there are so many people infatuated w/BQ's star power that they have been overly critical of DA. Many couldn't wait for him to screw up. It would have given them an excuse to call for his head and scream for BQ. DA's good performance ruined their plans. Then, they started belittling his accomplishments....saying crap like "anyone could have done that well w/all the talent around him," and "BQ could have done better," and "DA has no room for growth." And when he finally had an awful game.......they threw him under the bus and said..........."see, I told you so." Lame.

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You'll always get that element but i believe it's a minority. (I recall certain posters who,bailed on this site and (openly said so) the minute that the Timid one was released.

A better gauge on DA's body of work could be had from Eo's weekly thread during the course of the season. It wasn't too hard to see those posters who would comply with Eo's request of saying what you saw rather than using his thread as a forum for stupid ranting.
The measured opinions, almost on a week to week basis talked of Good DA, Bad Da, Dr Jekyll, Mr Hyde, starting cold, starting hot etc That would suggest inconsistancy at bare minimum. Others who know a lot more than me broke it down even further. He did good things he did bad things. Thats no news to anyone.

What i just re-iterated and clarified there is what you say here:

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I am not saying that all DA critics are like that, but it's pretty obvious to me that there are too many here who are infatuated w/the "pretty girl."

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I'd agree.

And on the flip side of that, there are posters here who will bash Quinn because they favour DA....only they have less to base an opinion on. I'm still not entirely convinced that there are people here who wanted him to fail though. If there are you can count them on the fingers of one hand but in all this inconsistancy you can rely on one constant....theres always gonna be idiots.

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I believe what's happening here is that no one is used to winning and so have no idea what to want now, except more.

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That could be. But, I think it is something else. I think that there are so many people infatuated w/BQ's star power that they have been overly critical of DA. Many couldn't wait for him to screw up. It would have given them an excuse to call for his head and scream for BQ. DA's good performance ruined their plans. Then, they started belittling his accomplishments....saying crap like "anyone could have done that well w/all the talent around him," and "BQ could have done better," and "DA has no room for growth." And when he finally had an awful game.......they threw him under the bus and said..........."see, I told you so." Lame.

ddubia, I think many of these people are full of crap and I really dislike their motivation. It's mean-spirited and unfair. And I could care less if they don't like me saying it. Now............I am not saying that all DA critics are like that, but it's pretty obvious to me that there are too many here who are infatuated w/the "pretty girl." Pretty girls are nice to look at, but they don't always make the best wives and mothers......if you know what I mean.

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After reading about his performance in some late season road games, I have a couple of questions for you guys:

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---What was our home record w/DA as the starting QB?

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---What was the rating of the opposing QBs in the last 4 games of the year? You know, the same 4 games when DA really stunk it up. I kinda have a sneaky feeling that DA's rating was higher than theirs. Am I wrong?

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You sure are. Opposing QB average rating was actually 98.8.

Here's the link:

www.madeupstatsforBQlovers.com



All joking aside, my position on the matter (if anybody needed clarification) is i'm letting the cards fall where they may. I have complete and total faith in Savage to get the best out of the situation for the benefit of the Cleveland Browns Football Team. If that means DA stays. So be it. If it means BQ is shipped out, so be it. If it means we keep both, so be it.

However, i'm all for the speculation as without it i have to read Medmanns inane posts in the Shack between now and draft time. Should be good debating/speculating fun to see how this offseason plays out and i'm strapped in ready for the ride.

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---What was our home record w/DA as the starting QB?

---What was the rating of the opposing QBs in the last 4 games of the year? You know, the same 4 games when DA really stunk it up. I kinda have a sneaky feeling that DA's rating was higher than theirs. Am I wrong?

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I have a question for you Vers, What does any of your questions have to do with winning a Super Bowl which is what the future is all about to me.

If you honestly believe Anderson can win a Super Bowl with us then I'm all for hearing you out.

So answer this one simple question, in your opinion can Anderson win a Super bowl with the Cleveland Browns?

If you really believe he can then you have a good arguement if deep inside you don't then let the crap go!

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Pretty girls are nice to look at, but they don't always make the best wives and mothers......if you know what I mean.

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I do. (At least that's what I once said to one.) Big lesson there.


I don't want to give the impression that I'm all for DA and doubt BQ. In fact, I've stated my DA concerns often enough here though you may not have been around at the time to read them. I will say though, that when you came back to the board and chip-blocked the DA bashing I had to take a look at my own QB opinions and rightfully be more careful in how I worded them.

I don't know BQ from BBQ other than scouting reports from the draft, opinions of the talking heads and the opinions and evaluations of board members who I trust have much more knowledge of the game and the position than I have.

But I do know that as I watched DA in the games this season, two things struck me as obvious to my uneducated QB analysis. One was some of the incredible highlight throws he made that looked like Brett Favre, and the other was some of the incredibly bad throws he made on what I would have assumed should have been the easier ones.

I watched us score TD's at nearly a milestone pace while at the same time I watched drives get killed by horrible passes. I was amazed that when we found ourselves facing a 3rd and 9, we'd get 14 on a pretty consistant basis. That's something we haven't seen around here. But I was stunned at the number of drives that were stalled then killed when 7 yard passes were consistantly thrown way off-target.

The bad was as horrible as the good was amazing. The layman in me couldn't figure it out. All I knew was what I saw. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason for it. How could a QB who was as prolific as the best of them also be as disappointing as the worst? If the bad were only occasional then I'd have written it off for any number of reasons. But the good/bad seemed to be consistant with his completion percentage, very slightly more than half good.

In addition, after a handful of games it occured to me that his remarkable throws may have been made remarkable partly due to circus catches by recievers. Every team has a player who makes plays that wind up on the hightlight reels. But I never remember a team who's receivers made circus catches with such frequency. I made me wonder what the stats would look like without those amazing young receivers.

All-in-all, I see a good DA and a bad DA and he see-saws between the two sometimes several times during a game. Even in the games we won by his great QB play, he spent a significant number of plays being bad. That much was consistant.

When I weigh out the total package by trying to balance the two I come to the conclusion that I think I would appreciate it very much if we would just move the chains consistantly and have no more deep-ball circus catches than the average team.

It's those less than 12 yard passes, the ones that keep the chains moving, that have me puzzled. I'm probably dumb in thinking that those should be the easy ones. Maybe they're not.




Now I'm sure BQ enters into the equation because he is here.

If we had no one besides a washed-up veteran backup behind DA then I do suppose I would be defending and praising his body of work while hoping and praying he can get better. Not better than 29 TD's. But better than short passes thrown behind receivers exposing their rib cages to LB's and DB's or making them and RB's stop to catch a ball that could have gone for a good YAC had it been located better.

Something regarding skill-sets get me thinking about BQ.

Even though I know nothing about evaluating a QB's skill-set I have to assume some things to be true. I have to assume that the difference between a 1st and 6th round QB is the difference between their skill-sets. That assumption makes me think that BQ has a superior set of skills.

Some scouting reports I've read seem to indicate that BQ is deadly accurate up to 15 yards and at least average to above average longer than that. He's been claimed to have the smarts to understand and read defenses very well and be a team leader. I'm sure he has his shortcomings as everyone does but his upside seems to be sky high.

On the other hand. DA has something that cannot be measured by any other means than to be in the speed of an NFL game and that is his quick release and calm demeanor while being a team leader. I'm sure we all remember Tiki Barber dissing on Eli for being a little too calm and easy going which, according to Barber as I heard him, keeps him from feeling the urgency and importance to make plays. Maybe DA has some of that as well. It does seem like he's a bit of a baseball closer in that he appears to perform better under pressure than without it. I don't know what to make of that but he does seem to start slow only to wake up later when the chips are down. Sometimes though his wake up has been a couple of plays too late.

I don't know what BQ's demeanor is. That can be very important.

The decision to keep one or both and what to do if we don't keep both is a decision I'm glad I'm not making. To hear Savage and RAC when they speak publicly they talk like it's no secret that they'd entertain offers for DA. If they were totally sold on him they may not do that. On the other hand, they do have BQ and many expect him to play having been a 1st round pick. With that "ace in the hole", perhaps the FO is merely posturing to gain some advantage in the terms of DA's contract when those talks start up. Who knows? I don't.

I guess when I boil it all down there are issues with DA's game that are known shortcomings that could very well haunt us vs. the better teams and I don't know what it takes to improve on them or if DA has the mental and physical abilities to overcome his deficiencies. I'd like to know that before I leet him go or signed him to a long-term deal.

I know it's all hype at this point, but it seems to me that BQ just may be the more complete QB possessing a broader skill-set and unless he has trouble grasping the game's speed and complex defenses he could very well be an upgrade over DA. Maybe not.

At this point they are both unkowns in their own respective ways.

But we're 10-6 and I expect those who planned this out to this point will have some answers that elude me. That's my biggest hope; that RAC and Savage know what they're doing and they'll do the right thing.

In the meantime, I'll discuss it ad nausium until they make a decision that will change the discussion.

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But what if...
those needs are able to be filled in free agency and in the draft?
IMO it is quite possible that Phil could overhaul the DL and tweak the rest of the roster without trading DA!

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Yea, I also think Savage could fill those needs in FA'gency and the draft as it stands now.....but ,.......I don't think a team should be totally dependent on FA'gency and I beleive that a team is built more for the Loooonnnggg haul when you build through the draft and trading DA gets us more (and better) picks in the draft.

I think we all would agree that a good combination of both is the best way.

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Also,there is alot of valid criticism that Anderson "lost" the Cards and Bungles games. That may be the case but...
IMO the Raiders game was "the one that got away".

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Most of us believed that the Browns would win anywhere from 6 to 9 games this season, miss the playoffs and were looking to 2008 to be "competitive". We are on track for that,maybe already there.

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---What was our home record w/DA as the starting QB?



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We were 0 - 8 and it was all on DA

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