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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13260461/bird-flu-texas-infected-dairy-cattle.html

Stay away from farms for a while. Livestock are catching it and giving it to farmers.

So basically all the viruses for the last 100 years are just on a rinse and repeat cycle.

Yep herd immunity is a myth.

It must... Only 14.1% of people continue to get the covid shot and basically no one has gotten covid in the last year.

Not sure where you are getting your information. Covid is still around plenty

Yeah I was just going to say a ton of people are getting it. It’s mutated to be less lethal, and there are nowhere near the reporting requirements there used to be, but it’s very prevalent.

https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-texas-mississippi-chickens-dbae49f8786dda586036c1b86b9d0997

Bird Flu found at largest producer of eggs in US.

God’s punishment.

He just comes in and makes ridiculous false statements a lot. His information comes out of his butt. My brother in law, his wife and their kids had it a month ago. Anti vaccination people. This is like the third time they all caught Covid. Idiots. I can say confidently that anti vaccers is the main reason it’s still around.

There you go spouting that science nonsense again.

"Anti-vaccers" is now 93% of America as only 7% have received the latest booster. Have you? Are you one of the elite??

I suppose you've missed that the current strain is far less deadly and has much less severe symptoms. No you didn't miss it you just didn't want to add any context. Context has meaning.

Learn. To. Read.

I didn't miss anything. That has nothing to do with my response to Spiral.

I even quoted it, it's like 50 words. Not that hard so I'm not even going to explain. Either you possess the 2nd grade level critical thought needed to understand, or you don't.

None of it is complicated. People who refused to get the vaccine when it was far more deadly were idiots. People who were never and weren't vaccinated either got covid more often or had more severe symptoms than those who were vaccinated. You're the one who brought up the 7% for the current vaccination booster. I brought up the context which was directly connected to what you posted. I see you're playing the denial gamer again.


Yeah, you never posted that.

Why do you talk to the libtards? They are stupid. The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or transmitting covid. It was never going to prevent covid. But they hide behind it like it does.

The repugnantcan rears her ugly head.

The libtard spews his fake news.

No, nothing about that is hard.

Miss Nasty has entered the forum. If she couldn't say libtard she would have nothing left to say.

Libtard is such an accurate description. You couldn't deal with the facts I presented so resort to this. lmao@u.

Now I have to work. I will laugh at you some more later.

All you ever post is hateful rhetoric. Facts do not reside within you. You are a walking joke.

I quoted your response word for word. You planly were referencing the current booster. But I guess in your world where facts no longer matter responding to your direct quote is moving the goal post. Murica! Freedumb!

define "plenty"

Actually, I don't make false statements. I grab factual data.

You just don't like it because it interferes with your political agenda.

www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/data-research/dashboard/vaccination-trends-adults.html
Vaccination Trends Update:
The percent of the population reporting receipt of the updated 2023-24 COVID-19 vaccine is 14.1%
*Reported on Friday, March 29th, 2024.

Then 93% of Americans are freaking idiots

Define " a ton" of people.

It hasn't mutated to be less lethal. You are spreading misinformation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-symptoms-mild-follow-pattern-doctors-say-rcna105090

Why Covid seems milder now
Dr. Dan Barouch, director of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, attributed the mild symptoms that doctors are seeing to immunity from vaccines and previous infections. "Overall, the severity of Covid is much lower than it was a year ago and two years ago. That’s not because the variants are less robust. It’s because the immune responses are higher," Barouch said.




Unfortunately, people (typically of a certain political belief) are triggered by the words "herd immunity" even though doctors, their preferred news organization, and the CDC are telling them that "herd immunity" is one of the main reasons why people are not getting Covid.

www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/background/index.html#:~:text=Trends%20in%20outcomes-,Hospitalizations,infections%20and%20greater%20treatment%20availability

According to the CDC hospitalizations are down because of greater immunity (herd immunity),14.1% of people who still get the vaccine, and "better treatment".
Hospitalizations. In 2024, COVID-19 is less likely to result in severe disease than earlier in the pandemic because of greater immunity from vaccines and previous infections and greater treatment availability.

According to the CDC there are less deaths because of a high degree of immunity "herd immunity"
www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viruses/background/index.html#:~:text=Trends%20in%20outcomes-,Hospitalizations,infections%20and%20greater%20treatment%20availability
Due to the effectiveness of protective tools and high degree of population immunity, there are now fewer hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID-19.

You're right. "Lethality" has been diminished by immune response more than anything. Over 97% of America has an immune response to COVID. This is due to the mix of vaccination and previous infection.

As I said from the early hours, both would be needed for herd immunity (I'm not that smart, just have common sense). As I said as soon as Omicron started making it's rounds, this would be a huge blessing and help us move towards "herd" as 100s of millions recover from mild infection (it did).

The WHO, CDC, FDA, and the rest of the alphabet club will not use the term "herd immunity" unless they're adding the disclaimer that it is dependant on continued vaccination (it's not, and they know it). In fact, they will only say that the notion itself is because of vaccination while they ignore the billions that have been infected (including most of those who have been vaccinated).

Herd Immunity is still a dirty word(s), it won't sell boosters, which is also the reason they refuse accept that COVID no longer deserves the moniker "pandemic".

I hope these articles don't start coming out again....

Dude, you said…… “basically no one has gotten Covid in the last year.” False statement. Where did that come from? Your butt again.

"Basically" was not a figure it was a broad statement that the number of people contracting Covid-19 is low compared to historical.

Let's not detract from the factual data and information that I shared from the CDC.

Oh ok let’s ignore your false statement you pulled out of your butt. And move to your factual data you posted. Only 14.1% getting the updated covid vaccine. And it’s basically the reason Covid is still around that proves herd immunity is a myth.

People not getting the updated boosters IS NOT the reason COVID is still around.

You could not be more wrong, you have no evidence that it's true, yet YOU keep parroting misinformation.

it wasn't a false statement. it was a blanket statement indicating that the amount of people contracting covid has been vastly reduced. Which, is 100% factual.

But, go ahead and be triggered.....


Are saying is that the covid shot would eradicate covid if everyone took it?

I’m saying it could have been eradicated, but it’s too late now. “Basically” lol .. because of the anti vaccination folks.

Aaaand more fake news. Keep making a fool of yourself, we'll all pop some popcorn in the name of #SpiralsScienceClass #JohnsHopkinsIsConfused

"could" isn't a very convincing word.

What??

The coulda, shoulda, woulda factor.

Whaaaat???

Can you comprehend the most simple of concepts?

Experts from Johns Hopkins say eradication is impossible. They drive the point home by saying EVEN IF WE COULD stop transmission in humans, animals would spread another mutation.

You say "coulda, shoulda, woulda"??

LMFAO

You left out the second could. It didn't say......................
It said
Lying again?

There is no way this conversation is actually taking place.

Someone please explain to this poor soul the concept taking place here. I can't dumb it down any further. 🤣

Unbelievable. By the way, what do you mean by "it"?

I gave you far too much credit. I thought even you could tell the difference between what could happen verses what will happen. My bad.

when some people are presented with facts... they muddy the waters with tons of comments until the facts disappear from view.

"Could happen" isn't a fact.

I am not spreading misinformation my guy. It turns out that you can be right and I can be right. I guess you still got that St. Ed's logic working for you, though (that is a JOKE ). Most pandemic viruses - Spanish flu for instance - evolve to be less lethal, which is a logical follow-on for viruses, because less lethality to the host means more wide-spread. Hence why the common cold is so much more widespread than ebola for instance. That was also based on the fact that the Omicron variant was less lethal, but more widespread, than the Delta variant. What you and FATE also mentioned about previous infection and vaccination also helps decrease the CFR as well, too. I think that's a valid point to add. Here's an NIH article discussing a combination of factors for the fall in CFR:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9874414/

However, this whole discussion takes away from your original quote, which was "basically no one has gotten covid in the last year."

I know for a fact that my office of around 65 people has 3 people who tested positive for COVID, but their symptoms are now such that they can just telework. We have also gotten rid of mandatory reporting requirements. My sister and her entire household tested positive for COVID the week before Easter, but no hospitalizations, this time at least. She previously caught COVID and damn near died back in 2021. She is an anti-vaxxer. I won't even get into the reasons as to why, as it is embarrassing. I think even FATE would say that it's kooky, and he's the biggest kook of them all Regardless, compared to last time, she is not a reported case this time around. Still very sick, just not hospitalized. She is not the only one.

The point is that COVID is still very prevalent, such that substantially more than "basically no one" is getting it. The falling CFR doesn't mean that it's not around anymore.

"Hey, Johns Hopkins says COVID eradication is impossible."
"Yeah, but..."
"But, whaaat??"
"But Pit@DawgTalkers says they used the word 'could'."
"They used the word could in a subsequent sentence, one that actually provided proof to their statement."
Yeah, but still... 'could' opens up doubt. Especially since Perfect Spiral says eradication is possible. I don't know if I should #trustthescience", especially with Johns Hopkins carelessly throwing around these modal verbs."

Still trying to argue the point that they said it from animals means that
Speaking of not being able to dumb it down further. No wonder people say our education system is failing. Could and will are two different words with totally different meanings. That's not some language trickery. It's very basic.

my st ed's education paid off a little.


I don't understand why people want to keep fighting this. Every single expert keeps telling people Viruses don't evolve to be "less lethal" our immune systems learn how to fight viruses and we don't get as sick or even sick from the virus.

it is clearly stated in your link as well https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9874414/
"the decrease in COVID‐19 CFR is likely due to multiple factors. Vaccination and postinfection immunity made the disease less severe."


*Everyone with a brain kept saying that herd immunity needed to happen before things could get back to normal.* Now, all of the experts are saying, without saying "they were right"


I addressed the "basically" statement earlier... it was a blanket statement indicating that the amount of people contracting covid has been vastly reduced. Which, is 100% factual.

LOL - being an Iggy guy, I had to get a shot in. My brother went to Ed's too and my nephews are also divided. We always appreciate a good-natured ribbing.

I don't really think it's fighting anything when I say we both brought up valid points, but I suppose this forum has that kind of taint to it, where perhaps combative pre-dispositions are presumed. The "multiple factors" quoted in that finding includes both your point and mine, hence the statement.

My original post regarding your blanket statement was posted before your clarification. I also don't think we can know for sure whether the amount of people contracting COVID has been vastly reduced when you have such cases like the ones I mention earlier. There surely will be a reduction in "known" cases due to the changing in reporting requirements and less hospitalizations/lethality overall. The people I work with and my sister will not go into any sort of database or reporting, whereas before they would. That is also 100% factual.

Yep. Just like me saying that you could read a basic English sentence and comprehend it's meaning...

It definitely doesn't mean it will happen.

Do viruses such as the coronavirus become less deadly?

Because the goal of a virus is to survive, replicate, and spread, it tends to evolve toward being more infectious and less deadly. There are exceptions and other factors, but in general, says Auclair, that’s what virologists expect to see occur with SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.

To understand why that is, think about the process of natural selection that you probably learned about in high school biology.

A virus survives by replicating itself. It essentially hijacks our cells and uses some of the machinery in those cells to make more of itself. Those progeny, if you will, then go on to infect other cells and the process repeats.

The virus doesn’t make perfect copies of itself, and that results in changes, which are called mutations. Some changes will hurt its chances to survive and replicate, so those mutations typically aren’t passed on to future generations. Mutations that don’t disrupt the virus’s ability to survive and spread can become established. But the changes that help the virus survive, replicate, and spread to other hosts are most likely to lead to a new dominant variant of the virus because it’s simply better than previous strains at doing what viruses need to do.

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/12/13/virus-evolution/

Viruses don't always mutate to be less deadly but as with covid to this point it has.

Now apply that to what you previously posted and you can answer your own question. Will is not could. Sadly you seem to dispute that fact.

Pit out here fighting like hell for you and you just quit??

That could be considered bad manners.

What do you mean by "seem"??

If anyone is an expert in bad manners it would be you. The only thing I'm fighting is people that seem to claim that viruses don't mutate and often times those mutations are less deadly versions of the original virus. Of course I do find it highly unlikely someone who doesn't know the difference between the words "could" and "will" to grasp that concept.

seem - give the impression or sensation of being something or having a particular quality.

could - used to indicate possibility.

will - expressing inevitable events

Anything else I can help you with?

* seem
* often
* unlikely
* "could"

Yes, but have you figured out they mean different things yet?

They mean different "things"?

Your post is how you tell someone you couldn't pass second grade English without telling them you couldn't pass second grade English.

Says the yahoo who started this by basically claiming nobody has gotten Covid in the last year. You crack me up. People like you are basically the reason Covid is still prevalent. Nay sayers. Deniers. Pffft

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