I like Legette equally and would be happy with either guy.
Franklin is slight. Legette appears much stronger and is most likely better suited to handle jam press man.
I know nothing about the offenses either played in.
However, these guys are all coming out of college. When trying to project how they will play in the NFL. It is hard to determine how they will develop over a three year period. Some guys really improve on weakness and get stronger. Some guys don't improve and wash out.
Worthy, Legette and Franklin are really different guys. Worthy could be a Tareek Hill type guy. 4.21 is an amazing time. His 40 run at the Combine was eye popping visually.
I look at receivers in categories in no particular order. Separation, speed, strength, hands, (50/50 balls). There are many sub categories but those are the first major groups.
Normally I lean toward big guys who can post up and win 50/50. However, guys like Hill are so exceptional at separation they dominant. In all the years I have watched football. One guy who when drafted was the best I have ever seen was Calvin Johnson. I live outside Atlanta. He played at Ga. Tech. So, there was lots of chatter about him. When I watched play some games in college. I was blown away. I thought nobody will be able to cover him.
Ironically, he built a home about a mile from where I live.
I went to Oceanside/Carlsbad junior college now (MiraCosta).
Chris Chambless went there when I attended.
There was a large community of Samoans and Tongans. They are built like tree stumps but they are great athletes. The NFL has many players from those islands.
I remember Tim Manoa. Then I remember seeing the next Tongan to play in the league. My immediate thought was "these dudes are just built differently".
The draft is a gamble. Draft 'experts' runs players through compatibility software, for lack of a better term, and try to predict how they fit.
Athletic freaks like this dude? I gamble every time I'm given the chance. They're like high-payoff scratch-off lottery tickets. When you lose, it's just a couple bucks, when you win -- you can raise a new deck off the back of the house.
Close your eyes. Imagine six-foot -seven, 350 pounds. Now open your eyes and watch that vertical. "Lawd have mercy!"
I'm liking what I see from Caedan Wallace, the "other" Penn St OT (Could potentially play guard as well/played some RG at the Shrine Bowl.) I think I like him better than the BYU guy. He kind of reminds me of Wirfs. Almost definitely not the same caliber, but similar body type and stylistically moves a lot alike. Thick (lower half particularly) and moves well. Doesn't show the same explosive power, but seems to get displacement consistently. Looks good at getting to the second level and getting outside to seal. Seems able to anchor well in pass pro.
I'm not the biggest PSU fan, but they can recruit and the strength and conditioning program seem pretty top notch. Wallace could still have technical development upside as that's where Penn State seems to struggle, and he did seem to show continuous improvement.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I don't really watch OL in college. Actually, I don't watch much college ball.
Because we are out of the first round. I will wait and look after the draft if we draft a OL men.
I am unsure about DT this year because we spent a third on Ika and he can't get on the field. I like Fiske because I see him as a 3 tech.
I really do not know what Berry will do. He looks at the draft as long term. Guys like Ika, Wypler, McGuire, Isaiah Thomas, all those guys are long term plays.
We have invested in receivers. Not sure if we go that route. Depends on the plans for Coop and Moore. Also, how much do they see in Bell and Tillman?
The big question for me is Nick. Beginning to think it is unrealistic to expect him back to begin the season. When he does return. What will he look like?
I don't like Ford. Foreman is a good add but I see him as a temporary fill.
I like Benson. I see good size, home run threat, contact balance, catches the ball, productivity 6 yds. per carry. Plus I like his playing personality. Chubb like.
There are very few talking heads labeled as analysts that I pay attention to.
Greg Cosell is one guy who I admire. When he talks I listen. I mean I am all ears. He is a professor of football.
In many ways he taught me. "NFL Matchup" I have watched for years. I was happy to hear his take on Benson because I really like him. I see efficiency with Benson.
I don't know what not to like about Benson. 6yds per carry, contact balance, home run speed, good size, catches the ball. In addition, I like his playing personality Chubb like.
I truly believe he fits with what the Browns do and want to do with the new offense.
I have several reasons for suggesting the following player as a RB option for the Brown:
1. I don't think running back is among the most pressing priorities for the team. This player should be available in the 6th or final round 2. They have actually met with this player. 3 A big power back could complement the rest of our RB committee with or without Chubb's immediate return.
Aidan Robbins’ Draft Profile | BYU, RB Scouting Report BYU RB Aidan Robbins is one of the largest rushers in the nation. We dive into his scouting report to see if he'll be taken in the 2024 NFL Draft.
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Ian Valentino Written By Ian Valentino One of the best incoming transfers from the offseason is Aidan Robbins for BYU. The powerful rusher could become a hot name in the 2024 NFL Draft with a big season. We’re diving into Robbins’ scouting report for next year’s NFL Draft.
Mock Draft Simulator Mobile Banner Aidan Robbins Draft Profile and Measurements Height: 6’3″ Weight: 240 Position: RB School: BYU Current Year: Junior Robbins began his career at Louisville but totaled only seven carries across two seasons. He broke out in 2022 at UNLV, totaling 1,134 yards and 10 touchdowns on 232 combined touches. He has one more year of eligibility in 2024.
Aidan Robbins Scouting Report Strengths Robbins has one of the biggest frames at the position in the country and plays to his massive size. Booming downhill back that punishes arm tacklers who don’t have the momentum to help interrupt Robbins’ movement. Knows his strengths and weaknesses as a runner, and he doesn’t try to be someone he’s not. He is fast enough to sprint through a crease on the gap and outside zone rushes, creating havoc for defensive backs who get in his way. Shows good vision on interior runs and will keep his legs churning as much as possible. Is a capable pass catcher in the flats and could have the potential to be even better in mismatches. Has a high upside as a pass blocker due to his play strength and frame. Relatively low usage in college.
Weaknesses His lateral movements are limited to slight jukes and dekes as he can’t afford to break his stride to do more. He can lose his balance and speed if he tries to be more elusive. Inside zone rushes can cause him to stop his feet and struggle to return to speed when a lane does show. He could be more creative when avoiding tacklers, including hurdling over defenders going at his lower body in open space. Can be too boom-or-bust as a rusher. He lacks the feel and refined vision of high-end NFL backs. Profiles best as a No. 2 back with his powerful, downhill style.
Current Draft Projection and Summary It’s exciting to see a revival of running back who towers over so many defenders across college football in 2023. Standing 6’3″ and 240 pounds, Robbins compares to Derrick Henry and Raheim Sanders as mammoths who terrorize smaller defensive backs who already want no part of the run game.
Unlike Henry and Sanders, though, Robbins hasn’t been on a big stage before. He put together an impressive 2022 campaign in his first season on the field, but it looked like a 12th-grader playing against the ninth-grade team. His power and speed helped him overcome his lack of experience and poor surrounding cast.
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His first season at BYU will be a good barometer of his skill. He has the raw physical tools to be a feared ball carrier in the right system, but his level of explosiveness and consistency are under the microscope in 2023.
I’m optimistic Robbins will translate well to the Big 12, earning him a spot in my top 150 overall. But his range is as wide as being an undrafted player who returns to school in 2024 or a late Day 2 pick.
I am confident you can get good backs in the later rounds. Maybe more than any of the 'skill" position.
Lot's of players are rated 2 and 3 stars out of high school. Maybe they were a little small. Maybe the coaching was suspect. Maybe their lines weren't good.
Get an offer at a smaller school, get better coaching, better supporting players, grow an inch or two, add 15 lbs and that 2 star player turns in to a 4 star type guy.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
With the size of those holes maybe we should be looking at BYU offensive lineman.
In these highlights, the BYU offense took advantage of what the defense was giving them. The Oline wasn't doing anything special, just man on man blocking and allowing the RB to pick the hole. In many of the highlights the 5 BYU offensive linemen were blocking only 3 "down defensive linemen" and that should be a win for offense OL every time.
If defense want to play "stupid", allow the OLine and RB to take advantage.
I do like this RB, Robbins...he is quick off the snap and doesn't dink around looking for a hole or running outside hoping a hole will develop. He is basically a straight ahead runner who is quick at reading a running lane...and he has the size to punish LBers, safeties and CBs who meet him in the hole.
The Browns have needed a physical big back for a long time rather trying to use smaller RBs especially in short yardage situations.
I'm not saying he's going to be a bust, but I definitely see it as within the range of possibilities.
Comes off as rather entitled it feels like to me, too. The whole I'm bored right now passive aggressive thing is, I don't know, kind of silly. The belief that not starting as a freshman at USC was some kind of adversity is also kind of weird to me.
Definitely talented, but feels rather narcissistic. Not sure how that will play in the locker room.
I also think that, if 7-5 is adversity to him, he's going to be facing a lot of even worse adversity in Chicago. He's not going to have the most talented team in his conference any more. It felt like USC was constantly an underachiever while he was there. Best recruiting classes in the PAC12, but they just never put it all together. I could definitely see an underachieving bad team that doesn't have more natural talent than opponents in his future.
I mean it could work out. I'm just not sure I see it as a foregone conclusion. I don't think landing in Chicago helps his chances, probably the opposite. Definitely could see him going through some coaches in his early career.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I am confident you can get good backs in the later rounds.
It sure would help if the Browns had a draft room that was geared to finding those late round "hidden gems".
Do you mean like a very good OT in round 4?
Yes..more like D. Jones...
One starting quality player out of 19 draft choices...not so good.
On the bright side, maybe Berry's draft team is improving with D.Jones being an example. If ever there was a year where the Browns draft team needed to show improvement at hitting on their draft picks...it is this year.
Fiske stood out to me in the two games I saw Florida State play. I was pretty shocked when he did as well as he did at the combine. He tested off the charts.
If we want Fiske we'll probably have to trade up as most mocks I've seen have him going anywhere from the lower half of round 1 to the early part of round 2.
I am confident you can get good backs in the later rounds.
It sure would help if the Browns had a draft room that was geared to finding those late round "hidden gems".
Just thinking back, Felton was a later rounder, he didn't work. Ford was a 5th rounder, he is a good back.
I think your expectations might be out of wack. Good doesn't mean the guy will lead the league. No doubt we all want an Isiah Pacheco in the 7th round, but that is just fluke. If KC had known Pacheco was going to be as good as he is, they would have drafted him much sooner.
It's easy to cherry pick the guys picked late by some other teams and then blame our FO because they didn't or aren't geared to do so.
The reality is with Chubb, the Browns probably haven't put much priority on drafting backs.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Because of the current stigma attached to running backs IMO it creates a false market.
Backs like Henry, Chubb, and others are game changers no matter where they are selected.
Nick suffered a serious injury. Right now I don't believe there is a hard time line on his return. If a guy like Benson is there when we pick IMO it would be foolish not to take him.
No doubt we all want an Isiah Pacheco in the 7th round, but that is just fluke. If KC had known Pacheco was going to be as good as he is, they would have drafted him much sooner.
This is one of those talking points that always fascinates me. When someone wants to gloat about how smart their team is in a situation like the above. Waiting til the 7th actually makes you 'dumb' if you know he was going to be 'that good', like: helplessly stupid. Let's call that situation what it is... luck.
Another guy that I should probably watch more of. Definitely could see Akins being pushed off the roster. Really not too many places on the roster for a rookie to be likely to make an early impact.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
I'm guessing this was probably his best game ever by a wide margin, so I wouldn't expect this to be the norm. Could show the potential upside, though. Look at all the different spots TCU had him align.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Some NFL franchises have a more capable draft room than others...some franchises are simply better at recognizing draft talent and work harder than the competition to gather information on potential prospects...and that has little to do with just being lucky.
Scouting methods and the quality and experience level within your scouting department and draft team also play a role in a franchises ability to find those hidden gems in the later rounds. Scouts who have connections and good relationships with other scouts and are willing to share information would seem to have an advantage over less experienced franchises.
It sure helps to have an experienced team of scouts who are well connected within the NFL and college scouting communities. Finding success in the later rounds is not all luck. Some teams are just better at finding and judging NFL talent than other teams. Hopefully the Browns will continue to improve at finding starting quality talent such as Dawand Jones in the 4th round last year.
It's easy to pick players a year or two later and put down the people who have to pick in the moment. I could do pretty good at the roulette wheel if I knew beforehand if the ball was going to land on black, red, or green.
Just saying...
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If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
...even in the scouting department..especially in the Browns scouting department. Hopefully, Berry's draft room & scouting department can find some more later round talent like OT, D. Jones.
Maybe someone should look at the actual success rate of draft picks made in the later rounds and say they expect success despite very long adds against it in those later rounds. At least that would be honest.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
I don’t know exactly what the percentage of success is in the later rounds but i’m sure it’s not too high. And I remember 50 years ago the draft was 15 rounds!
...even in the scouting department..especially in the Browns scouting department. Hopefully, Berry's draft room & scouting department can find some more later round talent like OT, D. Jones.
Experience can matter while also being overrated. One's ability to learn and adapt from experience is much more important than "experience" itself.
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
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Let's call that situation what it is... luck.