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OSU DT

Huge OSU fan but I'm very disappointed in this pick.

No issue with the pick. After the Browns defense got gashed by CJ Straud a pass rusher on the interior makes sense. The Browns play alot of good QB's and a rusher up the middle will be vital. Solid pick.

Think he's a good fit with Schwartz and is still an ascending player.

seems like he's more quick and burst than power/stout

Matt Fontana
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I think the massive run on DT in the 2nd might have played into the #Browns pick

There was going to be a big drop off by the time 85 got around while there’s a shot a WR or 2 worth it will be there

Zac Jackson
@AkronJackson
Glenn Cook said the Browns spent 20 minutes fielding calls about possible trades before deciding on Hall.

"It really came down to the talent."

Correct. He's a liability against the run and for all his quickness he only managed 1.5 sacks and 2 tfls last year. He is strictly a situational pass rusher from the DT position.

One of the youngest players in the draft

Agree, the KID is 20.....he is REALLY YOUNG and will add muscle to his frame. Go Browns!!!!

I have a good 6-12 players ranked all about the same that I likes with this pick. I would have taken one of these tradedowns

How does OSU’s scheme compare to Schwartz’s? Was he asked to do much 2 gap in college or did he stick mostly with one gap, 3 tech to 5 tech roles?

I feel it’s a good solid pick. He has a lot of upside being only 20 and should get bigger physically.

yeah, just from quick reading he's not going to be a 3 down player ... at least to start

Wow the draft talk here is lacking drama snd debate
If Versatile Dawg and Eotab was around Eotab would be still
Griping over why the Browns don't have Jordan Davis to
Anchor a " championship defense " but then would
Tell us how Berry was a genius GM for drafting Michael Halll
And tell us Hall was going to be dominant and wreck havoc
Then VD would put him in his place
Hall was a reach at 54. Local kid who lived in my backyard
Really great character and super coach able
Good for him . But he has bring his A game every down

another meh pick but Berry likes the lighter more athletic DT's.. Harris/hurst are about 290, This guy could put 10 lbs on by season start with an NFL season.. not having a first makes all the ones we have alot more important. I think if this guys has a chance in the NFL it will be under schwartz and he's got some good vets on the line with him.

You can't have too many pass rushers and corners!!

Put Hall next to Miles he will see single coverage all day long.

...the guy that drafted Siaki Ika and paid Dalvin Tomlinson big money likes "lighter" DTs?

He likes DTs that can affect the passing game. Some guys do that by collapsing the pocket, some do it by penetrating. If they can play the run, too, that would be ideal, but there are different approaches to that as well. Berry seems to like to give himself options/different types, so that the team can potentially exploit matchups.

Aaron Donald was playing at 258 pounds in the Super Bowl in 2018. I don't think we necessarily want Hall to add weight. He may as his body matures, but I think we may want to keep him as explosive/"trim" as possible.

I do think Hall and Schwartz are a good fit. I think Hall has the talent to stick around in the NFL on any team. In this D, he has a shot to be really impactful.

The way AB is drafting is the right way given the talent we have on our team. We're adding talented players with upside that can learn from the vets and can rotate right now, especially Hall and potentially start in 2 or 3 years. This is what the Steelers did for years and always had a solid O-Line and D-Line. I hope AB can draft a few more guys like this today.

He doesn't just get pressure, he gets quick pressure. That can be important as teams try to go quick passing game against us to mitigate Myles.

I think both Hall and Zinter can be starters in the next year or so. They have the tools. The only way they see any real playtime is if guys get hurt. If it goes as planned, Hall might get 90 snaps this year, Zinter half that, if that.

The rest of the draft is simply shots in the dark. I have always felt the 4th round was your last best round to get solid players. After that it's a crap shoot.

That isn't to say you can't get them. It just that it is more like 85% luck when you do.

I know nothing about the kid but seeing his age and stats and the comments he seems like a 2-3yr projection. Lots of weight room fun times ahead. Not that Ohio State didn’t press him in the weight room but I’m betting it’ll go up a whole nutha level.

You'd love to see more numbers on the stat sheet, but that can be tough at Ohio State. There are dudes at every position. Going back through games, he seemed to draw a lot of attention from opponents. It seemed he was the guy that multiple OL had their eyes on most plays. When he got a one on one, that play tended to get wrecked for the opponent. He didn't always get the finish, but he blew up a lot of play designs.

Love the fit.

The fact that he's only 20, but was knocking the Zak Zinters (Bigger-bodied 23 y/o) of the CFB world back consistently is pretty impressive.

we've all been mindful of our soft interior DL (and last year it was improved with Tomlinson and Hurst), so I'm glad we've tried to address it

I'm certainly in favor of this pick. As much as some were pimping the glamour position, even in today's game, games are won and lost in the trenches. Hall brings the heat for an interior lineman and as has been mentioned he is young. As he matures he will get bigger with more muscle mass. I was hoping for help on the interior of both the OL and DL. It looks like I got my wish.

I just wanted to add I appreciate all the comments as I don't follow college football much at all. Good readin'.

Great pick. Glad to see it. He can get some experience spelling our vets indoors, and learn his craft as well. Welcome aboard! Win us some games.

Seems like Berry feels he can wait for him to develop at 20 years of age because the current depth at DT. That's not to say he won't play at all, but he can afford to take someone with the talent and let him grow into a meaningful role......hopefully.

I also think this is another example where Berry prefers pass rushing ability to stopping the run along the entire defensive line.

that makes me feel old haha

There were a few games where Hall was just unstoppable. He has great athletic ability. My personal opinion would be I would like to see more solid games. To cavaet that though: When it comes to teams like the Buckeyes, there is just so much talent on the D that it can be hard to stand out as an interior linemen. One other thing that also could attribute to that is he was battling injuries the past two years.

He did play well in big games.

Haha, you and me both brother.

At least we grew up to memories of good to great Browns teams. I can't imagine growing up to that crap of the early 2000s.

I could care less what University a player went to, (save for smaller schools) but for the 7th DT off the board you can't really knock this selection.

Can we have both Hall AND IKa as developing DTs? How many DTs can we keep on the 53? I would think Ika and Hurst are very much on the bubble.

I agree on Ika, but Hurst showed up big time in a lot of plays last year. I remember some key belly rubs.

I appreciate your analysis there and you know more about those traits than do I...however...my issue is that there's no way that Tomlinson, Harris, Hurst, Jefferson, Ika AND Hall ALL make the 53. We are either going to cut a "reliable", "proven" vet OR last year's 3rd Rd gamble...AND that pick of Hall didn't land us a player who will help us win THIS year.

I like the player...I do not like the pick...then we snagged a 7th Rd DT project. I think this signals that Ika isn't what we thought he would be.

Me too...I know Hurst is injury prone...but we can only keep so many guys at one position (even if you call DT two positions)...and so many guys who are in developmental-mode.

I think Ika and maybe more in this group might be trade bait. Maybe during camp? We can't keep too many developmental experiments. We need some interior wrecking balls now.

We had a ton of injuries on the line last year and Ika couldn't get on the field.. I'd be really suprised if he's on the team come cuts, maybe PS, Berry probably will hang on to him for atleast 3 years, production be damned. As far as hall goes, Schwartz played Garrett, Smith and Oko alot on passing downs, maybe Hall plays in that package

I understand the "hang on to him for at least 3 years, production be damned", but I think that's what we saw more so in days past. When your team lacks talent it's much easier to keep marginal players on your roster. After all, at that point there isn't better talent on the roster to force them off the team.

But as the talent level of your team goes up, so does the quality of your lower level players. It gets to the point just keeping developmental guys on the team that aren't developing doesn't work. The bottom of the roster is constantly churning and I think with a higher talent level on the roster which the Browns have certainly achieved, the bottom of the roster improves as well.

Hall was a good solid pick with upside. So was Zinter. AB did the right drafting for our O and D-lines.

great stuff from Baldy

I am not trying to start an argument or contradict you at all. This is a legitimate question. Wasn't Ika inured, at least part of last season? I swear I remember this, but no details.

I looked at what Andrew Berry had said last year about Ika


Another reference made last year:


The thing to note is Ika has a quick "get off" for his size at the snap of the ball. It could very well be that Ika and Hall have the same trait. Ika must get faster and needed to lose weight. Hall needs to add weight to become more stout.