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Would you buy a Tesla that is six years old knowing the warranty expires in two years?

Haha no, I don't think I'll buy a Tesla the next time around anyhow, but I think the answer to your question is "It depends." Not trying to worm out of where you might be going with it, but I think the "depends" part boils down the price point at which I would purchase the vehicle.

Why would you buy a German car with 150k miles on the odometer? From experience, I can tell you an ICE car can easily wrack up a repair bill similar to battery repair cost. They just won't do it all in one go. I don't understand the hand-wringing over this point.

Every time the industry overcomes other obstacles they have to invent more.

I'm inventing a problem?? 🤣

Maybe more so trying to predict the future. Which is what we've been seeing all along. Complaints about the environmental effects of used up batteries. Those batteries are now being recycled. Range per charge which is continually increasing. Long charging times which have been addressed by quick charging stations. The list goes on and on of the objections concerning EV's that have and are becoming non-existent.

What we have seen in most every technological advance is that as the popularity and demand increases, more mass production ensues and the price decreases. From PC's to 4k TV and the list goes on. Neither of us have any idea what the cost of EV batteries will be in the future. If what we have seen in technological advances continue the trend, the price very well may be significantly less than it is now. We live in a time that technology advances so rapidly trying to predict technology years down the road has almost become a pipe dream. Maybe even a crack pipe dream.

When the warranty does not cover driving your car through a car wash that is not much of a warranty. Plus I was poking fun at all the trouble people are having with EV's.

I am. The government is the one pushing electric. They set the standards so high for gas mileage that the manufacturers have to go electric or start going with 2 and 3 cylinder engines. As I have said electric is the future, but it needs to be the peoples choice to buy them, not have the government shoving them down our throat, and they need to stop putting the cart before the horse.

Don't forget that electric cars go through tires a lot faster than gas cars, and four good tires cost a hell of a lot more than a few oil changes.

Exactly. I've already mentioned that. Pit says I'm "inventing problems".

I heard that before, but there are a handful of people here at work with various electric vehicles and they said the tire thing is overblown as long as you stay ahead of any alignment issues. One person said regular tire rotations are key but the other folks didn't.

Theoretically, the tire issue makes sense (super heavy car that makes tons of instant torque).

In full disclosure, that's a problem I have (staying on top of the rotations), but it's more on me than anything else. Without the routine scheduled maintenance with things like oil changes and whatnot, it's easier to let things like rotations and alignment slide, but that's on me, though.

I really need to get that done...

That had nothing to do with what we were discussing and you know it.

lmao. Neither did any of the following, but you used it to clarify the comment you made about "inventing problems".


Didn't you ^ just use every argument ever made about EVs as a rebuttal to my questioning your "creating problems" comment??

Can't have it both ways.

So you've decided that you can expand it to issues I never mentioned and were not discussed. Got it.

Did I ever post tires weren't an issue when you posted it? Yeah, I didn't think so.

I apologize. It just seemed like you used a blanket statement to explain that all my points were silly because all those problems would be solved.

You're right, attributing you to the tire thing was wrong on my part.

No, my only point was that many problems people had brought up in the past had already been addressed and that there's no way of knowing if the replacement of the batteries will be as costly years from now. As with most things demand resulting in mass production usually reduces costs over time. It may or may not work out that way but there's no real way of knowing that.

While it is possible they could reduce the weight of the batteries and vehicles that seems less likely they could do that to any major degree. So I think tire wear may be on ongoing issue. According to Oober the people he knows with EV's say the issue isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I have no way of knowing because I don't own an EV.

why would they go through tires faster?

I assume vehicle weight. I also heard the Ford Lightning pickup can’t use normal tires. Not sure about that either.

"With their heavy weight and quick acceleration, EVs tend to burn through tires about 20% faster than internal combustion vehicles do, according to AlixPartners. And the tires cost about 50% more."

Why EVs are causing a tire boom

If anyone cares… https://www.evuniverse.com/whats-the-difference-between-regular-tires-and-ev-tires/

See more expensive and don't last as long.

The weight should make the tires wear faster. But let's be clear about something. I'm not quite sure what "a lot faster" means. 20% faster?

Any way you slice it you are still going to get the majority of mileage out of a set of tires you would with any other vehicle. It's not as if you get nothing out of those tires. So in reality you're just buying tires 20 percent faster than you would otherwise. So that's not like saying four good tires cost you more than you saved on oil changes and fuel. Of course they do but you still got a lot of use out of those tires.

The sacrifices we all face. Environment vs Cost to protect it.

EVs are generally heavier than their equivalent internal combustion cars. More weight on the tires means more wear. Also, an electric engine can basically deliver torque instantly to the wheels. It's why a standard Tesla can out-sprint many "fast" gas cars.

One thing I left out earlier is that EV tires are specifically designed to handle all that torque (they are in many ways, "grippier"). Generally, more grippy tires will not last as long as less grippy.

Anecdotally, the handful of people where I work say these concerns are largely overblown so long as the driver is aware and stays on top of things like alignment and tire rotations. Also, don't do burnouts.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ticle-pollution-than-exhausts-tests-show

Tires are terrible for the environment.

Not EV tires, they're gluten free and made of fairy dust.

Back to your usual self I see.

I'll just call you Dr Frankenstein.

I knew reality wouldn't last with you. Once your back is up against the wall you revert back to posting nonsense.

My back is against the wall??

If you can't feel it that's an additional issue you have.

I bet I still have issues long after you run out of tissues. 😩

I don't have that much pity for you to require tissues.

LOL....I never rotate tires. I like getting in to a cycle where I buy 2 tires at a time.

As an owner of two electric vehicles, I recently just bought a second Tesla, I agree with this. It should be the people’s choice. I think this is part of the reason society in general is turning against EVs at the moment because people don’t want it dictated to them what to do. Let the products speak for themselves.

I know I’ve commented on this before but from an ownership experience I’m not sure I will ever buy another ICE car. I am a car guy. I am not an environmentalist. If you asked me where the environment ranked on why I bought electric cars it wasn’t a consideration. I bought them because after researching them and driving them I loved the driving experience, including all of the tech. Cars are my vice. Some people have drugs and alcohol. Some have gambling. Some like to spend all their money on travel. I love driving nice cars.

We have home charging and never have to go to a gas station or super charger. This combined with the driving experience and technology of a Tesla are second to none. I would strongly encourage people to keep an open mind if considering one, do the research, and do a test drive. A lot of people turning their noses up to electric have never driven one, don’t want the government to dictate to them what to buy, hate Elon, are shorting Tesla stock, or have unfounded fears about range anxiety. We moved off of two very nice ICE vehicles and we don’t miss them at all.

I think legitimate concerns over electric are how they perform in cold weather and road tripping. We are contemplating road tripping across the country this summer to Cleveland. We won’t run out of charge, the super charging infrastructure is immense, but do expect to stop more frequently and for longer. If all you ever do is drive around town and have home charging, range is a non issue.

I can’t speak to non Tesla electric but can confidently say the non Tesla electric are built on more traditional car concepts, interiors and exteriors, don’t have the same level of tech, don’t enjoy the same level of super charging infrastructure, and don’t have the same level of performance. They are not personally appealing to me, but I urge people to try them out and choose for themselves.

We just tried the full self driving for the first time and it blew me away. 20 miles from home, had to navigate merging onto two highways, a complex off ramp, and multiple city streets. Took us right to our driveway. I was blown away.

I bought my first eletric about 9 months ago. Just computed my gas savings the other day. About $1600. Enough for new tires.

Now hopefully Elon knows what he’s doing and doesn’t screw the company up….

The FSD is gotten better, but it’s a far cry from the timeline of where Elon said it would be and still has some kinks to it.

I will say it’s not as bad as the haters make it out to be, whatsoever. I would also mention that the “accidents” most people hear about are from people who jailbreak the system.

So far you still have to keep both hands on the wheel at all times or it’ll start “yelling” and disengage. The cabin camera also monitors you to make sure you’re paying attention to the road. I don’t mind the camera part since people should still be paying attention, but hands free needs to be the next step. Right now you’re pretty much sitting in drivers position letting the car turn the wheel for you.

You don’t have to keep your hands on the wheel. You just need to apply slight pressure when prompted. Sometimes that’s several minutes in between prompting.

You need to 1) pay attention and 2) apply slight pressure when prompted. The rest of the time you can be eating a sandwich with two hands.

It’s the same for auto steer.

I will also add that depending on how you have the cruise control programmed…I have mine programmed for 7 over the speed limit…it will pass people on the highway who aren’t doing that speed. Turn signal, pass, turn signal again, and back into the lane. All with no hands.

I was going to comment after your first post. Glad I waited. This literally freaked me out a couple months ago.

It wasn't the first time I saw someone eating with both hands in a Tesla, but I was in shock because he had just passed a car right before I passed him. Kind of gave me brain freeze for a moment.