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Cleveland Browns running back Jamal Lewis is in team's plan for 2008, source says
Saturday, December 29, 2007
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter
The Browns intend to bring running back Jamal Lewis back next season, a source said Friday.
Lewis, with 1,176 rushing yards and nine touchdowns, is on pace for his fourth-highest career rushing total of 1,260 yards despite missing one full game and lasting only one play of another before leaving with a foot injury.
Lewis' one-year contract, which increased from $3.5 million to $5 million with incentives, is up after this season. He will be an unrestricted free agent in March.
"[Browns General Manager] Phil Savage and this organization, they'll talk to my agent, and if there's anything, they'll talk to me," said Lewis. "So that's it."
Lewis' agent, Mitch Frankel, said Friday that talks regarding a contract extension have not begun. But the Browns will address it after the season, the source said.
Lewis, who's rushed for 100 yards or more in three of his past five games - and 92 yards on two other occasions over the past six games - has said he would love to return.
"We definitely have something to build on," he said.
The Browns also plan to bring back quarterback Derek Anderson, who will be a restricted free agent, the source said. The Browns also will wait until after the season to address his contract. ESPN's Chris Mortensen recently reported the Browns intend to sign Anderson to a long-term deal.
Weinke to start:
Quarterback Chris Weinke will start for San Francisco on Sunday in place of Shaun Hill, who has three fractures in his lower back.
Weinke, signed two weeks ago when Alex Smith went on injured reserve with a shoulder injury, will be the fourth quarterback to start for the 49ers this season. Trent Dilfer is out with a concussion.
It will be Weinke's first start since last December, when he started the final three games for Carolina. In his last start, he led the Panthers to a 10-3 victory over the Atlanta Falcons, throwing seven passes and a touchdown.
"I feel like I got more comfortable as the week went on," Weinke, a seventh-year pro, told reporters Friday.
"It's the last game of the year and it's going to be fun to get out there and play, and hopefully, finish up strong."
Good news for Browns:
Colts receiver Marvin Harrison might start Sunday against the Titans after missing the past nine games with a knee injury.
Harrison, an eight-time Pro Bowler, practiced Thursday and Friday and is listed as questionable. Colts coach Tony Dungy didn't specify how long Harrison would play, but if he's ready, "He'll start the game and we'll see how it goes."
If Harrison plays, it could mean more playing time for quarterback Peyton Manning so the two can work on their timing. Manning is expected to be replaced by Jim Sorgi in the first half.
The Browns need the Colts to defeat the Titans in order to make the playoffs.
Browns injuries:
Antwan Peek (ankle) and Orpheus Roye (foot) didn't practice Friday and are listed as questionable. . . . Joe Jurevicius (knee) was limited and is questionable. . . . Three players are probable: Robaire Smith (neck), Shaun Smith (biceps) and Kellen Winslow (knee).
Winslow surgery?
Winslow, who was limited in practice, wouldn't say if he'll need surgery after the season to repair his separated shoulder or his surgically repaired knee.
"Week to week just taking care of your body is real crucial," he said. "It's hard on the body. Way harder than I thought. I'm beat, but everybody's beat. It's Week 17. Something about game day you just feel better, so we'll be ready."
Nearing records:
With 28 TD passes, Derek Anderson needs two more to tie Brian Sipe for the franchise record of 30, set in 1980. . . . Braylon Edwards needs 15 yards to eclipse Webster Slaughter's team record of 1,236 receiving yards in a season, set in 1989.
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Before this thread becomes a DA thread I want to mention about how tough Winslow is, I think allot of us take it for granted but this guy isn't 100% and hasn't been in 2 years, but yet still performs at a high level, not allot of players can claim to be able to do this, and with an injury it makes it more rare. I didn't like how we went about getting him, but am glad to have him. Let's hope for a healthly KWII next season.
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Yup.
Right now it can only be taken for as being smoke and mirrors..... 
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With the cap space the Browns have heading into next season they can pretty much do whatever they choose in regards to JL and DA. I was of the opinion that the Browns would try to sign DA prior to the close of the season to use up available cap space from this season. In fact I think you and I had a bit of a talk about it Shep. I thought it would be wise on the part of the Browns to use the cap space they had from this year to resign DA long term. In fact I thought that if they actually had any intention of resigning DA they would get it done by tomorrow. Then I saw somewhere that the Browns had built in a clause into Pointibrands contract that basicly would allow the Browns to move money from this years cap to next years. Pretty slick move on the part of the Browns too. In any case the Browns should have about 9 Mill more in capo space next season then previosly reported. The thing the Browns did by making the Pontibrand deal was insure that they would have more money for signings, without having to sign players from the current roster. What i mean is this, should the Browns have extended JL or DA and should they have become injured we would be out that cap space, and by the Pontibrand deal they were certain to have the cap space dollars next year no matter what, slick deal IMHO.
At this juncture I would think the Browns will be able to tie up DA to a long term deal if they so choose. I just don't see DA being to greedy, he really doesn't strike me as that type guy. So I think the Browns can get a fair deal with DA without to much trouble. The thing is if the Browns can't get a deal done with DA, and they instead tender him, will someone else step up and make a deal for his services? Will the Browns match, or take the picks. Or will the Browns match then trade DA say prior to the season? There are a lot of opinions about what we should do. I would be more inclined to sign DA, and see how things play out over next season. Caution being the buzz word. I suppose though it really depends on what the thinking is in Berea, but it should make for some good debate, and hopefully the Browns come out the winner, no matter what..
JL, I sign him, he has proven that he can still carry the rock, and I love what he has brought to the team outside of carrying the rock. So sign him, not long term though. At the very most 2 years with an option. Perhaps roster bonus money thats it for a 3rd year.
The last part, God I hope like hell my boy from SU can go on Sunday, that would mean more then likely that PM plays and extra series or 2. It may be just enough to make a real difference in the final outcome. I think if the Colts can take the lead and get up on Tenn by 14 then were in. VY will not bring the Titans back against the Colts D.
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Yup.
Right now it can only be taken for as being smoke and mirrors.....
Yeah...Savage knows how to play this game...
Man I hope we just 1 & 3 Tender em'...And someone bites with a big contract we don't match...
I fail to understand WTF is so hard to grip with getting 2 possible picks for an AVG AT BEST QB...One being a 1st rounder...And having the QB we want already on this roster...
This has the potential to be the 2 BEST EVER years in the History of this team...
We grow some and grab a bonafide Left Tackle...
We grow bigger ones and give up a 1st rounder for a QB we obviously LOVED...
We grow more and trade for argueably the BEST Corner in the draft...
Now u grow even bigger ones and get back into the 1st round in 08 and possibly have FOUR 1st Day Picks...
Anyone who can't see how HUGE that is is blind to the fact that it's what's BEST FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM!!!!!!!!!!
We gotta take that 1st Rounder or 1st & 3rd and answer questions later...
Man this gives me one of those "Thingies"...
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I would be amazed if they do anything for DA other than the high tender. IMO that makes the most sense for the Browns. Certainly, nothing happens before the end of the season.
As far as JL is concerned a 2 year deal with a 3rd option year would probably satisfy all parties.
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Only rounds 1 and 2 are on the first day starting in '08 remember.... 
They were talking about this on Sirius yesterday.....the "expert" (can't recall which one) was saying we should tender DA, Miami would take him, and we could select McFadden with the first pick of the draft.
Nooooooooooo, was my thought.....
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Well, McFadden would be hard to pass up in that scenario. But I find that while the "experts" on Sirius know a great deal about football in general they are usually lacking in specifics as they're related to individual teams. IMO
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IF, and I think it will be a BIG if someone bites on a 1st and 3rd for Anderson I would be one happy camper. Then I am sure Savage would pass up a RB for a STUD DLineman. I personally think Lewis will be signed to a 2 year deal and the Browns will go hard for Michael Turner and the Ravens LB, who's name slips my feeble mind a the moment. Sign at least one or two Dlinemen in free agency and draft a stud and everyone on the defense gets better immediately.   
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It would surprise me if Anderson signed a long term deal here- unless it is Matt Schaub kind of money. He set the bar last year and i think DA has proven just as capable.
As far a Jamal goes, same kind of deal as this year (incentives laden) for 2-3 years is fine. But go after Turner hard. He is young, strong, fast and i think has proven himself. San Diego did him a favor this year and really limited his carries, kept the mileage off.
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Now u grow even bigger ones and get back into the 1st round in 08 and possibly have FOUR 1st Day Picks...
Only rounds 1 and 2 are on the first day starting in '08 remember....
They were talking about this on Sirius yesterday.....the "expert" (can't recall which one) was saying we should tender DA, Miami would take him, and we could select McFadden with the first pick of the draft.
Nooooooooooo, was my thought.....
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That's flippen INSANE..........................I read that Rizzo spout at the mouth BS...Parcells would be a fool...IF they did this I'd get outta that 1 slot so fast the collective NFL Heads would spin...
Ya' gotta believe right now McFadden or Dorsey go #1 overall...
We won't touch McFadden cause Turner's gonna be a Brown by then...hehehe...
DORSEY would be an outstanding 3-4 DE...
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I don't think we get anything from Miami, with the Tuna running the show he will need more pics to rebuild, not less. I can see him trading the first for more pics, like for the Boys two pics then maybe trading a second first round (Cowboys) and a third for DA, maybe but unlikely. I think Chicago could be in the running if Donavan stays in Philly. In the end I figure we keep both DA and BQ, for at least another year, maybe two...
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Well IF, and that's a BIG if, Miami bites, I doubt we'd have much problem trading the overall #1 pick in the draft for even MORE picks! say the #5 overall and a second? 
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I'll believe it when I see it.
Exactly. We're all talk at this point. Is it possible that we re-sign both? Sure. It's also possible that we'll only offer Lewis a one-year deal (which he declines for a multi-year offer) and let DA walk in RFA, meaning neither is with the team next year.
If we REALLY wanted the extensions to be done, they'd be done already. I mean, we re-signed Dorsey for pete's sake... he can't be at the top of our priority list. If both Lewis and DA want to be here and if we want them both to be here, why are their deals not done yet?
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My sentiments exactly. We do no harm by talking up these guys and making other teams believe (although I'm sure other teams know exactly what we're doing) that we're going to re-sign them.
I see a Lewis deal as being a lot more possible (probable?) than a DA deal. Not to say a DA deal isn't possible, though.
There are enough teams out there with QB problems that unless we really give DA a high offer, he'll go somewhere else with a chance to start and not have a first-round pick breathing down his neck.
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Wouldn't it be better to sign DA to a long term fair but team friendly contract?
It would give us the flexibility to be patient with our QB's while also making it easier to entertain trade scenarios if we choose to do so.
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It would give us the flexibility to be patient with our QB's while also making it easier to entertain trade scenarios if we choose to do so.
Who says DA would agree to a team-friendly contract?
If we sign him long term, it's going to be for big money. Most certainly more than what Quinn would make even if he reached all his incentives. See: What Romo got this year...Romo got very underpaid vs. how he performed.
Hence why I think the RFA max tender is the best way to go.
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Who says he won't? I guess the point is to get him into a contract that would be easy for another team to pick up,...fair,..but not over paying.
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Anyone who can't see how HUGE that is is blind to the fact that it's what's BEST FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM!!!!!!!!!!
I think we can all see it, but it all hinges on this one comment of yours:
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I fail to understand WTF is so hard to grip with getting 2 possible picks for an AVG AT BEST QB...
The question is and will probably remain (at least for now),, is DA ONLY an Average QB? You think he is, so to you, it's obvious, High Tender him, get a 1st and 3rd and move on with Quinn at the helm! Simple!
UNLESS, DA ends up being above average and Quinn bombs.. And both of those things are possible.. Likely,, No, I don't think so.. But possible!
There is the problem with making a blanket comment like yours... But that's the only problem I see with it.
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Amazing how that no matter what is written............you all see what you want to see. 
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lol.. ur right...
Maybe they are going off the saying "You can't believe everything you read." 
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I think it would be pretty dumb for us to do anything other than give DA the highest tender and see what happens from there. Don't get me wrong, DA's had a good year and I certainly appreciate everything he's done for us, but I can't help but to think that he's already reached his ceiling. I mean, after more than a full year of starts he is still locking onto recievers and throwing the ball into heavily covered areas. I understand wanting to get the ball to Braylon, but when you look and see 4 guys within 5 yards of him, don't you think you should look elsewhere on the field? A strange thought, I know. I think we should take just about whatever we can get for DA (picks and/or players) and turn the reigns over to Brady. We can't put BQ in any better position to suceed. He will be behind what will aguably be a top5 o-line, with a 1200+ yd rusher and two 1000 yd recievers to throw to. What more can you ask for as a QB? The guy put up incredible numbers at ND with marginal talent around him. Just look at what ND did without him at the helm. DA (IMO) will always be a good/above avg. QB, while BQ can be a stud in this league. Just my $.02
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....but I can't help but to think that he's already reached his ceiling. I mean, after more than a full year of starts he is STILL locking onto recievers and throwing the ball into heavily covered areas.
so after his FIRST year starting @ QB... you think he has already reached his ceiling??
I'm confused... Is he a vet? Has he been playing for years now? IMO, I still look at Anderson like a rookie, b/c essentially, thats what he is. He's been on the bench behind Charlie Frye for the most part, and just got his chance this year. And that opportunity, he has ran with it ever since.
John Elway was considered a great QB right? look at his first year... Dude only had 7 TDs!!!! w/ 14 INTs!!!!
Anderson his first year starting.... 28 TD's!!! 18 INTS's... I'm sorry, but in 15 games if you told me I could have that, I would take it!!!
He's breaking records ALREADY!!! And if given the opportunity, this is only the BEGINNING!!!
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Anderson being our starter, with Quinn being one snap away as our backup...
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Great news. Anderson is a "duh" signing. He's a RFA who's turned into a name in the NFL. This was a given. Glad to see that Jamal is being turned to now as well to resign. He's run hard, He's only 28. People in the NFL make it sound like he's old. Usually RBs start their decline after 30, so I think Lewis has at least 2 good years left in him. With the way his eating and training regimen sounds, he should still stay in great shape. Now I'm hoping for a 1st round tender and a nice draft pick when someone matches DA's offer. 
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Scary, ain't it?
What I find amazing is that the guy who could well hold the all time Cleveland Browns franchise record for TD passes in a season in just a couple short days is derided as "average".
My favorite is when people talk about the 4 INTs in the Bengals game as proof that DA is horrible and will never amount to anything.
I can't wait till Quinn throws 2 bad passes bad to back. Some brilliant poster will probably have him traded off to Seattle for Charlie Frye and a 7th round pick. 
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John Elway was considered a great QB right? look at his first year... Dude only had 7 TDs!!!! w/ 14 INTs!!!!
Careful,, careful,,, before long people will start bangin on you for comparing Elway to DA....LOL
Diam,, do you see that... he's comparing DA to Elway...
HotB,, I understand,, you are comparing situations, not the individuals themselves.. I compared DA first year to favres and you would have thought I killed Diams cat or something
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What I find amazing is that the guy who could well hold the all time Cleveland Browns franchise record for TD passes in a season in just a couple short days is derided as "average".
My favorite is when people talk about the 4 INTs in the Bengals game as proof that DA is horrible and will never amount to anything.
I didn't like the 4 INT's sunday either,, but geez, it's only one game..
I've been saying for a long time now,, there are a group of fans on this board and others that are Knee Jerk Reactionaries.....
They see 4 INT's and forget the day he had 4 TD's...
They give too much credit for a great performance and too much hate for a bad one.. Yet there isn't a QB in the league that played for any length of time that didn't have both kinda days... it's something that just happens..
I'll probably get picked on for this, but I really believe that some of these "so called" fans aren't really fans at all.
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Good point, Daman. Just because DA is closing in on a TD record for us doesn't mean he's worth a huge contract. I ask myself if Quinn would be able to do the things DA has done (with less mistakes than DA has made) because the O-line, our WRs, and Lewis have played so well.
There are other factors that go into DA's play, just like there are other factors that go into him struggling.
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lol Daman... and it was just said that its amazing how that no matter what is written............you all see what you want to see. I wasn't thinking str8 when i wrote that... please don't bash me board.. 
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Woooo there big fella,, that's not what I was saying.. Not at all!
I merely made an observation that too much credit is given for great days, and too much hate is leveled for bad days... how that turned into Contract talks is beyond me.
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You said you ask yourself that question,, but you didn't tell us your answer?
Do you think that Quinn could have done as well or better than DA has done under the same circumstances?
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The Browns also plan to bring back quarterback Derek Anderson, who will be a restricted free agent, the source said. The Browns also will wait until after the season to address his contract. ESPN's Chris Mortensen recently reported the Browns intend to sign Anderson to a long-term deal.
Maybe? But don't know how it is stated as a fact as per the headline "To Be"
Who could be her Deep Throat? Dunn, DA's agent?
And is her source Mortensen?? Or is that her way of confirming her source is correct?
I'll believe it when I see it.
The Miami rumors right now going on are rather Incredulous - thats just too good but then again Parcells has shown that he wants a proven QB, its a 3 year thing for him...getting his QB would be a priority of his. Considering he has Brown I'd be surprised if Miami doesn't trade down to get more picks...Then I can see them make a play for DA.
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I'll stand up and say I'm with the crowd that says that Brady probably could have done a similar job under the same circumstances. While Anderson does often get bashed, he's a decent QB in a great situation. Our O-Line has become much better, and our recievers have made plays on balls. DA has thrown some bad passes which our recievers made great plays to make, and they have caught balls where they've been left out to dry this year. While every QB doesn't throw perfect balls consistantly, our recievers deserve a lot of credit for their efforts this year.
I've worried that teams have learned to gameplan against Anderson better, and it sure seems like this is happening. I think that he'll be a decent QB in the NFL, deserving to start on various NFL teams, but I don't know if he'll be great.
I hope we put the highest tender on Anderson and see where we're at next year
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John Elway was considered a great QB right? look at his first year... Dude only had 7 TDs!!!! w/ 14 INTs!!!!
Anderson his first year starting.... 28 TD's!!! 18 INTS's... I'm sorry, but in 15 games if you told me I could have that, I would take it!!!
Well, we know what Diam says.........STATS ARE FOR LOSERS
And I got to agree with him here. DA did start some last year as well.
You can't just look at stats and judge a QB. I judge them by what I see on the field, not in a stat book. The thing that bothers me about DA is big time inconsistency. He's putting up great numbers, but he's also cost us a lot as well. He can throw 3 TDs in a game, but it's what he's leaving on the field that worries me. Maybe over time he'll get better, but the same problems he had in college are the same things he's doing poorly with in the NFL. And he's not an NFL rookie. He has time to imrove, but I don't think he's done a whole lot of that yet.
His biggest asset is his arm. But it's also his biggest downfall. He has that gunslinger mentality. He knows he can make big throws and thread the needle with a bullet- and that's what gets him into trouble. He'll make stupid throws into tight coverage, double coverage, triple coverage, and yes, I even seen him throw one into quadruple coverage. He needs to be smarter than that, and he hasn't gotten any smarter as the season went on. I take that back, in preseason it looked like he couldn't even read a defense or get a play off, so he improved there a lot.
Second concern is his poor accuracy on the short passes, specifically slants and crossing patterns. He is AWFUL on short passes across the middle, and he doesn't hit many receivers on the numbers in stride on the slants. Many of those misfires resulted in losing lots of yards. He's also going to get one of our receivers hurt one of these days. I'd rather have a consistent QB who can make a read, and throw a decent ball by putting it where it needs to be than a QB who can make a hard throw then miss 2 easy short passes the next time.
Anderson still has time to improve. But he hasn't shown any improvement IMO in the same areas that concerned me going into this season. I am by no means trashing Derek, I am merely pointing out the weaknesses I see in him. I believe he can be a solid starting QB in the NFL, but his poor choices and accuracy will hold him back from being great.
It's hard to judge Quinn in the NFL right now. All you have is preseason and training camp. One thing for sure, he's confident. He's got great control in the huddle and of his players. I like that in a QB. He threw a good ball, but you really need to see him in a game situation. I think he has what it takes, but only time will tell.
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Just like your COMPARISION its another DUMB ASS comparision .. U guys are just amazing at what U try to spin into relevance .. and I could care less how u SPIN WHAT U SAY ... its a COMPARISION .. just like I showed U why what u said about Favre was NOT ONLY DUMB ASS HELL but IRRELIVENT i will do the same thing to this pile of crap assesment of Elway and DA's first years starting .. Quote:
John Elway was considered a great QB right? look at his first year... Dude only had 7 TDs!!!! w/ 14 INTs!!!!
Anderson his first year starting.... 28 TD's!!! 18 INTS's... I'm sorry, but in 15 games if you told me I could have that, I would take it!!!
FOR STARTERS if u wanna actually WATCH THE GAME and are CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT U would know that in Elway U had a VERY VERY ACCURATE QB with a TON OF TOUCH with GREAT MOBILITY .... 3 traits DA is SORELY LACKING IN ...
then lets consider OL's/Targets/Running Games and SCHEDULE ... I know that takes alot of COMPREHENSION and just like DA struggles in the touch dept. U guys struggle in the comprehension/knowledge of the game of football dept. ...
now go ahead and make fun of me and have your fun .. It's OK .. I get a good laugh out of it also .. especailly when I consider the source(s) ...
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FOR STARTERS if u wanna actually WATCH THE GAME and are CAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING IT U would know that in Elway U had a VERY VERY ACCURATE QB with a TON OF TOUCH with GREAT MOBILITY .... 3 traits DA is SORELY LACKING IN ...
Exactly what I was saying in my above response.
You CAN'T look at a QBs stats and say, "Oh, he's great!" or "Yeah he freakin' sucks ass."
You HAVE to watch him in a game. Look at his receivers. They've made big time catches. His line has kept his uni clean. Jamal will run for 1,200 yards..... there's a lot of factors into how DA arrived at this point. But watching him in a game, HE MISSES WAY TOO MANY PASSES. And a lot of the same ones over and over and over. Inaccurate on slants and short crossing routes. And it's not like he's always high, or always low, he throws it all over.
Like you said, Elway was an accurate passer. Comparing stats won't show you that. Completion percentage only tells you so much. It won't tell you if the guy caught the ball on the ground, gaining 5 yards instead of being hit in stride and gaining 20.
That's why you have to watch his play, not his stats.
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U would know that in Elway U had a VERY VERY ACCURATE QB with a TON OF TOUCH
What a load of crap!
Elway had ZERO touch his 1st couple of years in the league. He practically broke his receivers hands on numerous occasions. He could throw deep ..... but his short passes were positively dangerous.
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Now u grow even bigger ones and get back into the 1st round in 08 and possibly have FOUR 1st Day Picks...
Only rounds 1 and 2 are on the first day starting in '08 remember....
They were talking about this on Sirius yesterday.....the "expert" (can't recall which one) was saying we should tender DA, Miami would take him, and we could select McFadden with the first pick of the draft.
Nooooooooooo, was my thought.....
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The thing is, who on defense is an absolute stud that's coming out? I don't see a Mario Williams type player in this draft (a physical specimen of a pass rusher) so at #1, you probably either take McFadden or you bail out of the pick IMO. You could consider taking Dorsey but are you really going to pay a DT 50+ million dollars? In the 3-4? I just don't see that happening.
As for DA, if we were going to resign him, we probably would have done it already. We're going to tender him, see what happens and go from there. I understand each option but would probably lean towards trying to sign him to a reasonable contract. I know we have a lot of holes to fill on defense but given how bad QB situations are across the board in the NFL, having two capable guys isn't exactly a bad thing. The thought of Ken Dorsey as the backup QB makes me want to vomit.
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Plus .... do you know when Elway was at his most accurate? In college ..... at least until his 11th year in the league. That 11th year was also the 1st year he threw at least 10 more TDs than INTs in a season. Elway had ZERO touch early in his career. None. Zilch. He really improved once he got a bit older, and started to wear down a little. That would be around his 11st year in the league. While Elway was mobile ..... he wasn't a Vick or even a McNair. He only once ran for 300+ yards. Elway's major strength was his leadership. He certainly wasn't a great passer early in his career. He didn't have touch. He often threw ill advised passes because of his confidence in his arm. Perhaps instead of worrying about others' comprehension .... you should work on your memory?
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