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Any true billionaire Christian leader would hand out Bibles for free.

Lol ….he is great. Does the best trump ever.

He's real good, Shane Gillis is better IMO.

Youtube: Shane Gillis - Best Of Donald Trump Compilation

Shane Gillis is much, much better.

Trump isn't posting on this thread. Don't you have a doll to blow up?

No, it would be illegal to blow you up.

"No, its people like you and all the libtards in this thread. Just having a giant tantrum hissy fit cry fest. Its all you people do all day every day."

Thanks for proving my point.

Quite the classy lassie.

Trump now tells his audience that his enemies are god’s enemies… what could go wrong?

We get a blasphemous fool in the WH.

Associated Press
Jesus is their savior, Trump is their candidate. Ex-president's backers say he shares faith, values
PETER SMITH
Sat, May 18, 2024 at 10:01 AM EDT·6 min read
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As Donald Trump increasingly infuses his campaign with Christian trappings while coasting to a third Republican presidential nomination, his support is as strong as ever among evangelicals and other conservative Christians.

“Trump supports Jesus, and without Jesus, America will fall,” said Kimberly Vaughn of Florence, Kentucky, as she joined other supporters of the former president entering a campaign rally near Dayton, Ohio.

Many of the T-shirts and hats that were worn and sold at the rally in March proclaimed religious slogans such as “Jesus is my savior, Trump is my president” and “God, Guns & Trump.” One man’s shirt declared, “Make America Godly Again,” with the image of a luminous Jesus putting his supportive hands on Trump’s shoulders.

Many attendees said in interviews they believed Trump shared their Christian faith and values. Several cited their opposition to abortion and LGBTQ+ rights, particularly to transgender expressions.

Nobody voiced concern about Trump’s past conduct or his present indictments on criminal charges, including allegations that he tried to hide hush money payments to a porn actor during his 2016 campaign. Supporters saw Trump as representing a religion of second chances.

And for many, Trump is a champion of Christianity and patriotism.

“I believe he believes in God and our military men and women, in our country, in America,” said Tammy Houston of New Lexington, Ohio.

“I put my family first, and on a larger scale, it’s America first,” said Sherrie Cotterman of Sidney, Ohio. “And I would any day of the week, take a president that openly knows he needs the strength from God over his own.”

In many ways, this is a familiar story.

About 8 in 10 white evangelical Christians supported Trump in 2020, according to AP VoteCast. Pew Research Center’s validated voter survey found that a similar share supported him in 2016.

But this is a new campaign, and that support has remained durable — even though Republican voters in the early primaries had several conservative Christian candidates to choose from, none of whom faced the legal troubles and misconduct allegations that Trump does. In the Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina Republican primaries, Trump won between 55% and 69% of white evangelical voters, according to AP VoteCast.

Trump even criticized one competitor, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, for signing strict abortion curbs into law.

Trump was the only Republican candidate facing scores of criminal charges, ranging from allegations that he conspired to overturn his 2020 election defeat to his current trial on allegations he falsified business records in seeking illegally to sway the 2016 election with hush money to porn actor Stormy Daniels.

Trump was also the only GOP candidate with a history of casino ventures and two divorces, as well as allegations of sexual misconduct — one of them affirmed by a civil court verdict.

Republican primary voters still overwhelmingly chose Trump.

This has frustrated a minority of conservative evangelicals who see Trump as an unrepentant poser, using the Bible and prayer sessions for photo props. They see him as lacking real faith and facing credible, serious misconduct allegations while campaigning with incendiary rhetoric and authoritarian ambitions.

Karen Swallow Prior, a Christian author and literary scholar who criticized fellow evangelicals’ embrace of Trump, said this support in 2024 is familiar but “intensified.”

In the past, she said Trump supporters hoped but weren’t certain that he shared their Christian faith.

“Now his supporters believe themselves,” she said. “Despite the fact that Trump clearly wavers on abortion and he wavers on LGBTQ issues, those things are just ignored, they’re just erased out of the narrative.”

At the Ohio rally, several attendees cited their belief that Trump has followed the Christian path of repenting and starting a new life.

“We’ve all come from sinning. Jesus sat with sinners, so he’s going to sit with Trump,” Vaughn said. “It’s not about where Trump came from, it’s about where he’s going and where he’s trying to take us.”

The Ohio rally, like other Trump events, featured a recording of the national anthem sung by some of those convicted for crimes related to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol, whom Trump called “patriots.”

At the rally’s entrance, one group handed out pamphlets urging attendees both to “trust in Jesus Christ for your salvation” and to support the “J6 patriots.”

Jody Picagli of Englewood, Ohio, said her Catholic faith and views on abortion are central.

“I’m a big right-to-life person,” she said. “That’s huge for me. And just morals. I think the moral compass is so out of whack right now. And we need religion and church back in here.”

She acknowledged that, with the Supreme Court turning the abortion issue over to the states, a future President Trump may not impact abortion law.

“But I know he’ll never go to an abortion clinic and visit it, like our vice president did,” she said, alluding to Kamala Harris’ tour of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Minnesota in March.

Robert Jones, president of the Public Religion Research Institute and an author of books on white supremacy in American Christianity, said the strong evangelical support for Trump isn’t surprising. But he said that in a 2023 PRRI poll, less than half of white evangelicals said that abortion was a critical issue to them personally. More than half said that five others were a critical issue, including human trafficking, public schools, rising prices, immigration and crime.

“One of the biggest myths about white evangelical support for Trump is this idea that it’s really about abortion and they’re holding their nose and voting for Trump,” Jones said.

He added that Trump’s rhetoric about immigrants “invading the country and changing our cultural heritage” resonates with his audience.

The slogan “Make America Great Again” echoes an “ethno-religious vision of a white Christian America, just barely underneath the surface,” Jones said.

He acknowledged the racial lines aren’t absolute, with Trump attracting Black supporters such as South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott.

The Ohio rally included a vast majority of white attendees but with some Black and other ethnic groups represented.

Trump’s rallies take on the symbols, rhetoric and agenda of Christian nationalism, which typically includes a belief that America was founded to be a Christian nation and seeks to privilege Christianity in public life.

Trump endorsed a Bible edition that includes U.S. founding documents and the lyrics to Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA.”

“This is a Bible specifically for a kind of white evangelical audience that sees themselves as the rightful inheritors of the country,” Jones said, citing a 2023 PRRI poll in which about half of white evangelicals agreed that God intended America as a promised land for European Christians.

At the Ohio rally, some attendees said they believed the nation or its founding documents, such as the Bill of Rights, had Christian origins, though historians dispute such assertions.

Some Trump supporters voiced hope for a more Christian America.

Thomas Isbell of Greensboro, North Carolina, who has set up vending booths at many Trump rallies, said his “God, Guns & Trump” shirts are a top seller.

“It’s a Christian country,” he said, adding that if he were president, he would only allow public worship by Christians.

“We’re not going to set up a temple to no other gods in our land,” he said.

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Associated Press religion coverage receives support through the AP’s collaboration with The Conversation US, with funding from Lilly Endowment Inc. The AP is solely responsible for this content.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/jesus-savior-trump-candidate-ex-140104917.html

Trump: 'Why Do I Have to Repent or Ask for Forgiveness If I Am Not Making Mistakes?' (Video)

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...s-if-i-am-not-making-mistakes-video.html

Trump believes in God, but hasn’t sought forgiveness

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html

Donald Trump: 'I'm Not Sure If I Ever Asked God's Forgiveness'

https://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-im-not-sure-if-i-ever-asked-gods-forgiveness.html

Bless their hearts.

Trump and evangelicals & conservative catholics are perfect for each other. They’re simply using each other to get what each wants. Trump, for all his gaffs, knows how to play the game. And conservative Christians/ Catholics are historically very utilitarian when push comes to shove. They’ve shown time and again that they’re far more interested in retaining and maintaining cultural power than in being actually righteous. So they blur their eyes and tell themselves whatever they need to because it’s true that Trump is the most likely person to give them what they want if they deliver him what he wants.

Additionally there’s this: many of the hard right aren’t so much mobilized by being “for” much of anything, but they’re very mobilized by being against a lot of things in modern culture. They hate abortion and illegal immigration of course (that’s for life and for strong borders) but the article even says that many are not so personally energized by those things. Some are, but way more motivating is the general anger felt for the sanctimonious left, political correctness generally, coastal and educated elites they perceive as condescending and dismissive of them and their ideals and beliefs, being told they need to change and be better and to want the same kinds of cultural trade offs liberals want when, in their perspective, the general culture is filled with madness and chaos that repulses them. And so In comes this brash fearless mysteriously impervious and powerful character who raises a stiff middle finger to all they hate and of course they’re going to fall in behind that. Maybe some of them pretend to “hold their noses” but when the bully is their bully and they perceive the world as having ignored and crapped on them, and that bully starts to bully the world, most don’t pretend not to love it. Even if he is blowing gaping holes in the country as we know it, they’ve already shown you they can completely compartmentalize and rationalize it. It’s just so deliciously empowering! And maybe, in their thinking, the country needs some big holes blown in it.

I have no problem with Christians. None. But I do have a problem with anyone that forces or tries to force their religion on me. Believe as you wish, let me believe as I wish.


The very reason we need to separate Church and State.

I have no problem with non believers and believe in seperationv of Church and state, but not of State and ignore Christians as some people do and think it's just fine. To many people on both sides of the debate take this way to personal instead of just loving and respecting each other no matter what we are individuals and either side acting so childish as to bash others for their beliefs has a lot of growing up to do.


Not blaming you bro I know you better than that.

I gave up on the article with the first line. Not because of Trump but because of the Christian trapping comment from the writer. I will admit I still a bit foggy so maybe I will revisit again ina couple of days.

Thanks my friend. But I do see why so many Christians follow trump to the ends of the earth the way MAGA's do. He always plays the victim.. ALWAYS If someone says he did something, he says it's UNFAIR and what about ME.

When I say separate Church and State, I mean, stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours. NOT saying my business is better than your business.

For the record, I'm a believer, I just don't ever wanna say I'm better than anyone else.

Take this abortion debate (we've had this one before), You don't believe in abortion,, Great, Don't have one. But don't stop someone else.

This whole thinking that America is the home of the Free and Land of the Brave, as long as you agree with me stuff has just gotta stop. We don't have to agree to get along.

I'm still trying to figure out where the disconnect is here. From local school boards to congress we see religious morals and beliefs being imposed on society. And not all religious beliefs mind you but one religion. And why GM would find problems with this is amazing to me....


The man is selling Bibles for Christ sake. How much more of a religious trapping can you get than that? Much like yourself I'm a believer but I have no right to inflict my beliefs on society as a whole.

Trump knows where his bread is buttered and is leaning harder into that. That's all it means.

And like I said people on both sides. I Voted for him the first time. Buy the second time he ran I would have voted for anybody good which excludes Trump for me.

Woke stuff- love one another, judge not- their is only one real judge, love your enemy--- a billionaire pedaling bibles and asking folks to send 5, 10, 20 dollars to him--- I for sure will vote and I think I've decided which is the lesser of two evils.

Take no offense, but I believe a 5 year old would know which is the lesser evil.

That is true. Unfortunately 5 year olds do not vote in this country while those that do have no concept of what evil is

Oh they have a concept of evil. They just forgive it and turn a blind eye because they kinda like the evilness they witnessed.

Selling your soul to achieve your goal has become the standard.

What I REALLY don't get about so-called Christian Nationalism set- how do you have as you're national leader a person who has stated-1) I have no personal favorite bible verses- I love whole bible- not a Old or New Testament fan, 2) I've never asked Jesus to forgive me - I've done nothing wrong.....yet said leader has been married three times, committed numerous adulteries, lies in his personal and business dealings- taxes, sq. ft. of his properties, cheats companies and individuals out of legal bills, etc., etc. He is your leader and a moral compass.

Plus- he has a son who calls the US- a third world [censored] whole--- now that's a family you want leading the nation.

It’s because christian nationalists don’t think these through.

They don’t even realize that what they advocate for would literally take individual rights away from them under a theocracy.

I have no problem with calling Biden the lesser evil. I just think too many people seem to confuse the lesser evil with good.

Wanting a good president rather than a less evil one doesn't seem like it should be a huge ask, but apparently it is.

Ah I see ….. trump evil, Biden evil not as much.

So legally speaking exactly what evils has Biden committed?

Why are you putting it in a "legal" context? You are trying to shift the narrative from the original point he brought up, which I think holds merit, in attempt to get a lame "Gotcha!"

I don't actually remember the last time I saw "Good" on the ballot for POTUS. Yeah, I would take Biden over Trump for common sense purposes at this point, but like he was saying, we're less at the point of endorsing who we genuinely like and more at the point of voting for one person to keep the other person out.

I agree with both you and Bull. I certainly feel Biden is hands down the better of the two choices for many reasons that have been made painfully obvious. But to say I consider him a good choice to be president is something I certainly can not say. It's a shame that we are where we are. But it's like the old saying, "Wherever you go, there you are".

As a people we have sat back and allowed a minority of the American population to appoint (nominate) people that are certainly not the best their party has to offer be any means. It's the apathy among our population that has allowed it to come to this.

When someone brings up the “lesser of two evils” argument, I want to hear what the lessor evil is. What evils are we talking about that doesn’t make Biden a better president? Yeah and legal issues to be included. My bad that wasn’t clear.

It's actually nothing more than an old saying when neither choice you have is good. You're taking it far more literally than it's intended.....


In other words the better of two bad choices.

I think being "less evil" inherently makes one the better president. If I have a choice between a contractor who generally does shotty work and a contractor who is known to repeatedly steal from his customers, who also does shotty work, I'm going to choose the former, as the better choice, where it's really just the lesser bad choice.

Of course, I'd prefer to have a reputable contractor who also does good work, but I think a combination of the apathy that Pit mentioned, along with a healthy dose of brainwashing, unchallenged beliefs and ingrainment has prevented that from happening in our current socio-political (not to mention bipartisan) environment.

What makes Biden good?

All too often, the answer to that seems to be "He's not Trump."

Wanting the best of us to lead instead of not the worst of us would seem to be a better approach.

Better is relative. Better than Trump is like saying he's not as bad as Hitler. It's not really a compliment or a positive.

Let me rephrase the question. What evils exactly has Biden committed? Legal, personal, scandals , whatever. Everybody keeps saying Biden is just barely better than Trump. Why? specifics please. No innuendos.

BTW what he hasn’t done is not an answer.

Why is what he hasn't done not an answer? Because it weakens your contention? Inaction isn't a good thing. It's certainly not a good thing for the President of the "most powerful" nation in the world. With great power comes great responsibility, and Biden is a faux pas machine that doesn't actually seem to do that much.

Who says he's barely better than Trump? If "everybody" (including you) does, why do you doubt it?

Yeah, I know you are using everybody as a figure of speech. So is the lesser evil.

I expect the person holding the most powerful office in the world to appear competent the majority of the time. I'd prefer if he didn't say he just talked to dead people during interviews. (link)

Maybe those are high standards, but it doesn't feel like they should be.

Expected none answer and innuendos with no substance. Exactly what has Biden done to show you evil and incompetence? Again what he hasn’t done is not an answer.

Apparently citing a specific incident and providing a link is no substance.

Trying to put it in terms of evil is your thing. I just would hope for better. It's not about whether or not he is evil. The most difficult job in the world should have the most competent person doing it. I don't think an octagenarian that frequently seems added is likely to be the best person.