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Closing arguments aren’t looking very favorable to the GOP chosen one.

I think that would depend on who you listen to. Trump claiming "There was no crime" sounds eerily familiar to Nixon saying "I am not a crook" though.

Our justice system is at work.

A jury of twelve peers will decide. Under the law a prince or pauper should be judged the same. Our fundamental premise is based upon "no one is above the law."

These jurors have been there every day. They looked and listened. A funny thing about humans is we all read faces. We judge people. When people talk we decide if we believe them.

Pecker, Stormy, Hicks, Cohen, Costello they were looked at and judged by ordinary people. The defense lawyers will spin their story. The prosecution will look to the evidence. They have the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

But in the end the jurors will decide who they believe.

Listening to those reporters that were/are in the in the court room is the only way we'd know anything. So I listened in to FOX for a few. According to them, Trump is winning this thing. MSNBC seems to be saying the opposite.

We're just gonna have to wait and see I guess. I just wouldn't jump to any conclusions...

I think the Jury is going to get the case to decide today...

Multiple people have expressed that they cannot figure out what crime(s) trump is being prosecuted for. I stumbled across this, so thought I would share


Here's a list of the 34 charges Donald Trump faces in his hush money trial
Chanelle Chandler
Chanelle Chandler·Reporter
Tue, May 28, 2024 at 8:00 AM EDT·15 min read

Closing arguments for former President Donald Trump’s historic hush money trial begin on Tuesday. The Manhattan district attorney’s office charged Trump with 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, alleging that he “orchestrated a scheme” that violated campaign finance laws in an attempt to hide a $130,000 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels.

During the trial, Michael Cohen, Trump’s former lawyer, testified that he paid Daniels on behalf of Trump during his 2016 presidential campaign in an effort to suppress Daniels’s claim that she had an affair with Trump in 2006. Trump has pleaded not guilty.

Cohen testified that in 2017, he worked out a reimbursement arrangement with the Trump Organization. With no legal retainer agreement in place, Cohen said he submitted monthly $35,000 invoices for expenses totaling $420,000, which included the $130,000 payment to Daniels.

These invoices, checks and other financial documents are among the evidence that prosecutors claim proves Trump falsified business records in order to cover up the hush money payment.

Below are the 34 counts, as listed by the DA’s office.

First count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Second count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with “intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842457, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Third count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 842460, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Fourth count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Account check and check stub dated February 14, 2017, bearing check number 000138, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Fifth count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 16, 2017 through March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 16, 2017 and transmitted on or about March 16, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Sixth count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, bearing voucher number 846907, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Seventh count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about March 17, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Account check and check stub dated March 17, 2017, bearing check number 000147, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Eighth count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about April 13, 2017 through June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated April 13, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

Ninth count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 858770, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

10th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated June 19, 2017, bearing check number 002740, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

11th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 22, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated May 22, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

12th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 22, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 855331, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

13th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about May 23, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated May 23, 2017, bearing check number 002700, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

14th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 16, 2017 through June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated June 16, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

15th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 858772, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

16th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about June 19, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated June 19, 2017, bearing check number 002741, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

17th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated July 11, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

18th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 861096, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

19th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about July 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated July 11, 2017, bearing check number 002781, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

20th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated August 1, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

21st count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 863641, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

22nd count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about August 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated August 1, 2017, bearing check number 002821, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

23rd count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated September 11, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

24th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 11, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 868174, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

25th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about September 12, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated September 12, 2017, bearing check number 002908, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

26th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated October 18, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

27th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 872654, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

28th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about October 18, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated October 18, 2017, bearing check number 002944, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

29th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 20, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated November 20, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

30th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 20, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 876511, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

31st count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about November 21, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated November 21, 2017, bearing check number 002980, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

32nd count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated December 1, 2017, marked as a record of Donald J. Trump, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

33rd count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 1, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an entry in the Detail General Ledger for Donald J. Trump, bearing voucher number 877785, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”

34th count: Falsifying business records in the first degree

“The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about December 5, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, a Donald J. Trump account check and check stub dated December 5, 2017, bearing check number 003006, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.”


https://www.yahoo.com/news/heres-a-...s-in-his-hush-money-trial-120050092.html

PS I was hoping this was about his final judgement day… Too bad it was just about his pending conviction. So, if he is found guilty does anyone think he’ll get real time? I can’t see how he won’t be found guilty unless he got a Trumpian dupe onto the jury. We’ll see soon enough.

My understanding is that in NY there is a tier system for felonies and that the crimes he is being charged with while felonies, they are in the lowest (least severe) tier. So I doubt he gets any prison time for them.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that the people who say that absolutely understand what he's being charged for. They are arguing the merits of said charges (specifically the part where the acts themselves were past the statute of limitations but then were "resurrected" once the whole campaign finance part was attached) and/or their argument that everyone is "just out to get Trump" to the point where we don't know what we're charging him for as long as he's getting charged.

The former is a legit argument (IMO), the latter is just slurping up Trump's BS.

That said, thank you for posting that. It's just the facts, which I appreciate.

We all face a final judgement day.....hope the jury gets the verdict right---Trump's defense==all we need is one..... isn't that sad. Is it justice?

Someone way smarter than me....please post Ken Burns historian and film maker- his recent commencement speech-- whole thing is SUPER. He became political because he was
forced to.....a small quote " “There is only the perpetuation, however flawed and feeble you might perceive it, of our fragile 249-year-old experiment or the entropy that will engulf and destroy us if we take the other route,” the historian warned.

Trump, the quadruple-indicted presumptive GOP presidential nominee, is “the opioid of all opioids, an easy cure for what some believe is the solution to our myriad pains and problems,” Burns said.
God save us from Trump and ourselves.

0:13 / 21:40


Ken Burns, H’24 Keynote Address to Brandeis University's 2024 Graduates- this is his speech, among best 22 mins used this year.

Here you go hitt.................

I thought this may be of interest to those contemplating the verdict of the jury......

These are the jury instructions from Judge Juan Merchan

From CNN Staff

Judge Juan Merchan delivered his instructions to jurors before they began deliberations in former President Donald Trump’s hush money trial.

Here’s what Merchan told the jury:

They must not make a decision based on biases or stereotypes;
They must set aside personal differences;
They must not speculate how long sentencing may be or what the punishment might be – that’s up to the judge;
They can’t hold it against Trump for not testifying;
The “people must prove beyond a reasonable doubt every element of the crime.” He reminds the jury it must not rest its verdict on speculation;
They can consider whether a witness hopes to receive a benefit related to the trial, or if they have an interest in how the case ends;
They cannot convict Trump on Michael Cohen’s testimony alone because he’s an accomplice, but they can use his evidence if corroborated with other evidence;
The jury must be unanimous if they find Trump guilty on each count – on whether he committed the crime personally, acted in concert with others or both;
They must determine if Trump conspired to promote someone or prevent them from public office by unlawful means;
They should deliberate with a view toward reaching an agreement, without surrendering individual judgement;
Jurors notes cannot be used in place of evidence;
The foreperson will deliver the verdict for each count after deliberations are over;
They must surrender their phones, and can only discuss the case when all 12 of them are together.

Merchan explained some key laws in the case:

On the law applicable to falsifying business records, Merchan told the jury:

"You must find beyond a reasonable doubt first that he solicited requested, commanded, importuned or intentionally aided that person to engage in that conduct and second that he did so with the state of mind required with the commission of the offense."

He also explained what makes a person guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree – explaining that they must have the intent to defraud – including the intent to commit another crime or conceal the commission of one.

On what constitutes a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act: It is unlawful for an individual to willfully make a contribution to any candidate running for office, including the presidency, exceeding certain limits which in the relevant years was $2,700, Merchan tells the jury.

He also walked the jury through what they must find in the different counts levelled against Trump. Merchan explained what tax law violations were and said it was unlawful for a person to willfully produce a tax statement or document that's false.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...29-24/h_7b9ed6a46a6cfe0d8e26314c547d3af7

For as much as trump has maligned this judge those instructions seem very fair and straightforward to me. But then we know those comments on the judge are only preemptive strikes to sway his supporters in the event he is convicted. His usual "It was rigged" defense that they feast on so quickly.

The jury is about as unbiased as OJ's was.

How would you know one way or the other?

Answer. You don't know.

"Here's what Merchan told the jury" was actually over an hour and 50 pages long. j/s

Its a libtard jury and all libtards have TDS.

Here is the blovating BS trump continues to spout....



It sounds like he knows he will be convicted. "Mother Teresa couldn't beat these charges."

This is what all trumpians say when they want people to quit reporting the facts about the things trump does and says. And once again the self appointed Dawgtalker troll makes up BS with zero evidence to support it.

Your posts support it every single day.

I don't think OJ's jury was biased. I think the prosecution lawyers were so inferior to the defense attorneys that they had no choice to find OJ innocent unless they were really biased. We all feel pretty certain that OJ did it, but what we "know" and what gets proven in a court of law are not always the same thing.

Edit: and I am old enough to remember following the case on CourtTV

OJ's jury admitted on camera that they acquitted him because he was black.

Oh I understand. You would love for those who point these things out to be silent. When they post what trump says which are nothing but nasty attacks, you blame them for posting it.

It's much like when Little Johnny keeps interrupting the class at school and shouts out mean and nasty things at others he doesn't like. So Little Johnny gets called out for it and the school keeps reporting this terrible behavior to the parents every time he does this. In response Little Johnny's mom blames the school for it and claims it's the school's fault for pointing out Little Johnny's bad behavior and claims it's the schools fault for focusing on Little Johnny.

The only difference is that Little Johnny never tried to undermine and steal our elections by lying that they were stolen and isn't running for president. Instead of holding trump accountable for the things he says and does you blame those pointing it out. It's become a bad habit with people such as yourself.

If you expect me to read your waste of time bloviating, you are sadly mistaken.

That's the best way of playing the denial game. Plead ignorance.

Mostly I think your posts are worthless.

Says the one who admits she's a troll that just makes things up.

And you keep biting.

You're a lot of fun. Cheap entertainment.

What I don’t understand is how it is legal for the jury to come up with a guilty verdict without consensus on the predicate crime. As long as all jurors agree one of three possible crimes was committed it counts as a unanimous decision.

You know that how?

You don't know the jury.

There is nobody that can explain that for you. It's unheard of and I challenge anyone to find a precedent. However, the absolute farcery involved is explained very well @ 24:30





It's make [censored] up as you go and reinvent the law. Judge decided the jury needed absolutely no instruction as to the predicate and actually prevented any testimony to breach the subject.

Judge repeatedly said he wanted to keep things simple for the jury. Simple meant two days of testimony from Stormy Daniels on their salacious sexcapades (that had nothing to do with the case) and a veritible judicial gag order on the prospective testimony from finanace campaign expert Brad Smith.

After instruction to the jury (55 pages of "keep it simple") it all became pretty clear... The leap to resurrect misdemeanors and wave a wand of felony over them was something that would be kept tucked up the sleeve, and the jury told "you don't need to worry about any of that". Eeny, meeny, miny, moe, convict.

Trump said so

If Trump said it- it must be true. How many times has he said--till death do us part?

Trump FIRSTS- only ex-President who has been tried for a criminal offense, only Action Figure President, only President to sell- cologne, water, sneakers, steaks, urine tests, and Bibles- he is perfectly Presidential----what a joke.

Just out of a need to know, where did you get your law degree?

BallSoHard University.

Where did you get your permit to walk and chew gum? Oh, wait.

Unlike most states, there's a quirk in NY law that does not allow the jury to take the judge's instructions into the deliberation room. They have to rely on memory and notes. If they have a question or need clarification, they must ask for the instructions to be read back by the judge. This should be interesting.

Based on this response, I can only assume that you don't have a law degree and that you are just spouting off based on what you've heard on FOX News or Newsmax...

The two elements prosecutors must prove for a guilty verdict

Prosecutors are required to prove two elements for each of the counts in order to find Trump guilty, Judge Merchan told the jurors.

They must find that he “personally or by acting in concert with another person or persons made or caused a false entry in the records” or a business. Prosecutors must also prove that Trump did so with the intent to commit or conceal another crime.

Prosecutors allege the other crime that Trump intended to commit or conceal was a violation of a state election law regarding a conspiracy to promote or prevent an election by unlawful means.

The alleged unlawful means that jurors must consider are:

Violations of federal campaign finance law

Falsifying other business records, such as paperwork used to establish the bank account used to pay Stormy Daniels, bank records and tax forms

Violation of city, state and federal tax laws, including by providing false or fraudulent information on tax returns, “even if it does not result in underpayment of taxes”

https://apnews.com/live/trump-trial-jury-deliberations-updates#0000018f-c4f1-d048-adbf-d5fdddf40000

Seems pretty clear to me.

Not to Goper’s like Eve. But after all trump admitted he can shoot people and not loose supporters. So there is that. The chosen one. Pfffft.

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