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WRONG AGAIN RISH...


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If you say so...

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You indicate that I never take a stand, I prove that I have taken many,, and all you can say is....."if you say so "

Frankly, that's lame... I think maybe you should have tried saying... "I'm sorry,, you do take stands" But of course, that would be admitting that you were wrong, wouldn't it.. something you accuse me of not being willing to do..

Lame man,,, very very lame!

Yeah, that's hilarious...

I thought it was funny... the good news, is, you don't have to...

Thanks Captain.... very nice of you to say!

My reply was in re to yours about the 14 year old apology comment where you once again used the laying down laughing smilies......BTW.

I've noticed you've been a bit off the wall lately, and I'm not sure if your doing it in a pre meditated fashion, or you actually believe everything you say. Overall I think your a good guy man, but think you've been a bit over the top.

I knew that... you apparently didn't think his comment was as funny as I did.. thus my comment to you that you didn't have to think so.. what's so hard to understand... I got it..

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I've noticed you've been a bit off the wall lately, and I'm not sure if your doing it in a pre meditated fashion, or you actually believe everything you say. Overall I think your a good guy man, but think you've been a bit over the top.

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Did you mean "Pre Medicated"

Not sure exactly what your speaking of.. which comment or series of comments makes you think I'm over the top? Just wondering! By they way, you are a pretty good guy also..

You're going to be able to quit sooner than the start of next season. This is a smokescreen so we will get something for DA. If teams know we're comitted to Quinn they will wait until next year, and get DA without giving up picks.

Derek Anderson is not John Elway. I have read through this thread and something that has not been pointed out is that Elway was actually a rookie his first year. He did not sit on the sidelines learning for two years and have game action. Elway could get out of a sack move laterally and actually get a ball close to his receivers.

Derek will be around the NFL for a while for one reason, he has a cannon for an arm. When you have his arm someone always says I can fix the mechanics and turn him around. If Derek wants to stay put somewhere for a while he will take a team friendly contract and except the backup role. If not he might catch on and become good but he will more likely end up like Jeff George.

Maybe I have been a little harsh here but why do people insist on comparing Derek to great QB's. Derek has good numbers but be honest did you have complete faith in him or were you waiting for his next mistake. Sometimes Braylon or Kellen would negate those mistakes but they were still there. You can't be a great QB if you constantly stare down one receiver and throw into triple coverage. You have to take what the defense gives you and that is something that Derek has proved he can not do. If he could do that we win the Pittsburgh game at the least.

I know - ya think comparing the two and DA's possible development by the use of stats one would take DA's 5 games - 3 starts and a half against KC...the 5th was probably a hand off somewhere to give Frye time to breath after getting pummelled.

But the stat crew completely ignore 06 his 2nd season where he did play. Calling him a rookie this year and comparing him to QB greats rookie seasons where they actually were ROOKIES. Is probably the most gross misuse of stats that can be made.

As far as accuracy - just a note. In the mid 80's and before there was a totally different use of passing. Most patterns were well over 10 yards. And yes there were check offs to the RBs as defenses would get deep. There also was more emphasis of running so that a high pct. of the passes being thrown were with 3rd n long. You never saw Spread offenses that we see today. Houston used it (Run n Shoot). Its just a different era now. I don't know how well you can compare some statistics...especially accuracy. However if you can remember and see the accuracy maybe you can make a balanced judgement.

But I'll wait for the season to finish then sink my teeth into the - What to do with DA in 08 threads. Right now I want 5 great games from him

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Seriously, I should have said 'I'm sorry' JUST BECAUSE you said you took a stand? GMAFB...

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Rish,, this is insane,, I said I did and showed examples,, you said I didn't and can't show any examples,,,

Maybe it's just me, but I go with the guy that puts it out there to prove his point rather than someone that spouts off with no back up.. Man up.. admit you don't know what your talking about..

Guys..........take a look at the thread title and now go back and look to see how many posts actually dealt w/the topic. One or two? This bickering and making things personal is garbage and makes the board less enjoyable.

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--I think both players were integral members of the best offense I have seen in Cleveland in a long, long time.

DA's ability to stretch the field; composure; ability to thread the needle; quick release; etc were huge to the success of this offense.

Lewis brought a certain toughness to the team--a toughness that was sorely lacking from recent Brown's teams. I love watching him run over guys. I loved how he got stronger the more times he ran it.

Both of these guys deserve to be rewarded. I'm confident that Savage is smart enough to know--although many fans aren't--that these two guys were important to our success and should remain Cleveland Browns.

When your right, you are right.. and this time, you are right.,, I'm off of this. Thanks for the wake up Vers

I think Jamal has at least 2 good years left in him. Usually after 30, RBs start to drop off, especially a physical runner like Jamal. I'd like to see him locked up for 2 more.

I also want us to resign Derek.....in hopes someone matches the offer. This isn't a knock on DA. We have needs on this team- like the DL- that we sorely need filled, and I'll take my chances with Brady. It worked over in San Diego, and Quinn was more highly regarded coming out of college (which doesn't always mean something). With the protection our line showed this year and the weapons at our QBs disposal, I think Brady will be just fine. Who knows, maybe we'll see something even better.

The thing is, if our offense plays close to the level it did this year in 2008 and our defense is even middle of the road, we're in pretty good shape. I'll take a small drop in offense to help out our defense. in a heartbeat. Can we do it with one draft pick? No, not really, but anything will be better than the aging guys holding up (or attempting to) the front line right now.

I thought DA would run away with the quarterback competition that didnt happen but he had a terrific year. Whatever happens DA will be instrumental in this teams future, be in QB or the guy who brought us in draft picks. With the QB shortage, there will be buyers for his services even though he did slump a bit down the stretch. I am sure we will probably try to keep him for next year at least but that may be very difficult.



Jamal struggled early and looking back it was obvious he never really got to 100% until the last 5 or 6 games. Again it may be hard to keep Jamal as I am sure he will likely test the free agent market but with his age we may be the only buyer and this should also be a very very heavy running back class. Just remember there is that guy named Michael Turner out in SD.

this offseason is going to be huge for the long term direction of this team. We all love to play GM but this time, I am glad i dont have to make these decisions.

The better the team gets, the harder those decisions are to make.

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Jamal struggled early and looking back it was obvious he never really got to 100% until the last 5 or 6 games. Again it may be hard to keep Jamal as I am sure he will likely test the free agent market but with his age we may be the only buyer and this should also be a very very heavy running back class. Just remember there is that guy named Michael Turner out in SD.

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Another line of thought is that if team's did indeed scheme to limit DA's deep throws, then they did indeed make it easier for us to run the ball. *L* Those guys act like it is a negative when they say teams schemed to take away DA's deep passes, but in reality...........offensive coordinators dream about defenses protecting against the deep pass, because it opens up so many other things for the offense. It's a negative if a defense crowds the LOS because the QB can't beat them deep, but it is no insult to a QB if teams scheme to take away the deep pass.

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this offseason is going to be huge for the long term direction of this team. We all love to play GM but this time, I am glad i dont have to make these decisions.

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Yeah, the decisions on DA and Lewis are tough ones.

He also has a few other difficult decisions. We all know the d-line needs upgraded, but is he willing to make one--or both--the Smiths backups? Is he willing to give up on Pool? Is he willing to spend big money on an OLB? Is he smart enough to spend another 3rd or 4th rounder on an offensive lineman?

Should be interesting.

Teams were indeed challenging the Browns to run the football by filling up the secondary. If we resign lewis to a 3 or 4 year deal I think you have to make it incentive laden to protect yourself. I also would not hesitate to draft a running back or sign Michael Turner.

DL lets hope Phil can find another Shaun Smith type out there in free agency and then maybe add the two DT's for Texas lol

OLB would be my target in the 2nd round. there should be some good tweeners to go opposite of Wimbley. Its hard to believe but I thought the D was its best with Chaun opposite of Wimbley. resign Chaun.

Pool is a guy I dont know if Phil is ready to give up on but there is always some sleeper safeties falling down the board.

DA's contract better not be something stellar....

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Do you think they are giving up on the Sowells experiment?

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I don't know. I heard he was doing better in camp this year. I had also heard he was an absolute disaster as a rook. Apparently he showed improvement early on, but I haven't heard anything since the season started.

We have a good offensive line right now. Five good starters and McKinnie and Friedman are pretty good depth. I am not sure about Sowels, but I think Dorsey is a waste.

We have a little age on the offensive line and that is why I think it would be smart to spend a 3rd or 4th rounder on another offensive lineman, w/the 4th being more logical. I think we all saw just how important a good offensive line can be. Let's keep ours good.

I don't think we'll sign Lewis to a long-term deal. I think he'll be fine w/a two year deal.


I also think we need to bring in 3 new defensive linemen who are good enough to be ni the rotation. I really, really think we need to get a legit NT.

Yeah, we need another OLB......one who can pressure the QB. We must get more pressure on the QB.

I don't think we'll dump Pool, but it would be nice to see him be a dime guy, rather than a starter.

The better the team gets, the harder those decisions are to make

In the case of Lewis..will he have the same drive next season or is there a younger better back to look at?

If you don't want to have to worry about the RB position when you have bigger needs with your front 7..bring him back for two years..if you question it see what you get either in FA or in the draft..but it should not take priority away from getting a solid defender..
Now DA ...a little more complicated but I know with the weaknesses he has it'll be hard not to factor that in when they figure out how they want to resign him..
If he showed a lot of progress hitting his short passes accurately I think the decision would be easy..but he's raw..and he may not overcome that..

By James Walker THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH



CLEVELAND — The Browns put forth a solid effort yesterday in their 20-7 win over the San Francisco 49 ers, but they could do nothing last night as the Tennessee Titans took the final AFC playoff spot.

The victory over the 49 ers gave the Browns their first 10-win season since 1994 and a franchise-record 7-1 mark at home, but to make the postseason they needed the Indianapolis Colts to beat the Titans. It didn’t happen.

The Titans (10-6) scored on their opening drive and went on to win 16-10.

Tennessee secured the second wild-card spot by virtue of a tiebreaker. It had a better winning percentage than the Browns (10-6) against common opponents, with wins over Houston (twice), Oakland and the New York Jets and a loss to Cincinnati. The Browns went 3-2 against those teams.

"I’m disappointed we didn’t make the playoffs, but it’s not a total loss," Browns tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. said. "We did go 10-6 and made a name for the Browns this year. Hopefully, we can use this as motivation for next year, because without struggle there is no progress."

The Browns had a chance to clinch a playoff spot last week but lost 19-14 to the Bengals.

"I think as a team we’re more disappointed about that Cincinnati game, because we had a chance and let it go," kicker Phil Dawson said. "That’s the next step we have to take as a team is understanding the significance of certain games and being able to put your best foot forward in certain games."

First-round draft pick Brady Quinn made his NFL debut yesterday after starter Derek Anderson injured his right pinkie midway through the second quarter. Quinn completed 3 of 8 passes for 45 yards during his only drive.

The rookie Dublin native received a loud ovation when he entered the game. He led an 11-play, 57-yard scoring drive capped by Dawson’s 23-yard field goal.

Quinn came off the field smiling, and afterward said he was happy with his performance.

"It felt good," Quinn said. "Obviously, that is something I have been waiting for all season. It was nice to get in and get some reps with the guys."

X-rays on Anderson’s finger were negative, and he returned in the second half.

"They said, ‘What do you want to do?’ and I said play," Anderson said. "I thought if it was going to be the last game together for the season, I want to be out there."

Anderson finished his breakout regular season 10-5 as a starter.

Despite little motivation, the Browns displayed the same workmanlike attitude they had all season.

They won eight of their last 11 games and didn’t lose backto-back games all season.

"As a team and as an organization, we wanted to finish this season on a high note," guard Eric Steinbach said. "If we were to drop this game, whether you’re in or out (of the playoffs), we would go out feeling like we fell short."

Starting running back Jamal Lewis ran for 128 yards, Joshua Cribbs had two exciting returns on special teams and the defense held the 49 ers to 185 total yards.

Cribbs, who will be heading to the Pro Bowl in February, jump-started Cleveland in the first quarter with punt returns of 53 and 76 yards. His 76-yarder for a touchdown gave the Browns a 7-0 lead.

Anderson found receiver Braylon Edwards for a 45-yard touchdown on Cleveland’s next drive to give the Browns a 14-0 lead. Anderson stood tall in the pocket, took a hard shot and still delivered a good throw to Edwards, who beat 49 ers cornerback Nate Clements on a post route.

With a double-digit lead early, the defense did the rest, allowing just one touchdown, a 7-yard catch by 49 ers receiver Darrell Jackson in the second quarter.

"We are disappointed that we didn’t reach the playoffs, however, we had a good year," coach Romeo Crennel said in a statement. "We’ve learned a lot, grown a lot and look forward to continuing to build on what we’ve accomplished this season."

jwalker@dispatch.com

No matter what, it was a hell of a year wasn't it...

10 and 6.. imagine that.. and so many people, me included, thought that 8-8 would be tough to achieve..

I'm a happy browns fan today.... I'd have liked the playoffs, ,but hey.. this seasons was a HUGE step up I think....

Cleveland Browns coach Romeo Crennel will listen to trade offers for quarterback Derek Anderson

Browns will listen to offers for D.A.

Tuesday, January 01, 2008
Mary Kay Cabot
Plain Dealer Reporter

Browns coach Romeo Crennel said Monday that Derek Anderson is his starting quarterback, but he will listen to offers for Anderson, who can become a restricted free agent Feb. 29.

"If anybody's interested in him, we'll just have to see how it goes," said Crennel. "Sometimes people can make you an offer and you can say, 'No, I think I'm going to stick with what I've got.' Sometimes they make you an offer and you say, 'Oooh!' So we'll see how it goes."

The Browns have several options for Anderson, who went 10-5 as a starter this season. They can:

1. Give him the high tender of a first- and third-round pick, meaning a team that signs him would have to compensate the Browns with those picks. In addition, the Browns could match any offer. If no one makes an offer, the Browns would have to pay him a minimum of $2.562 million for 2008 or sign him to a long-term deal.

2. Designate him as their exclusive franchise player, meaning other teams can't touch him. Last year's exclusive one-year salary for quarterbacks was $12.6 million.

3. Designate him as their non-exclusive franchise player. In that case, the Browns could match any offer, or a team signing him would have to surrender two first-round picks. The 2008 one-year salary for non-exclusive quarterbacks is expected to be about $10.6 million.

4. Sign him to a multiyear deal. That could happen anytime, beginning now.

5. Sign him to a multiyear deal and trade him.

The Browns intend to have Anderson on their roster next year, according to a source, but they're also without a 2008 first-round pick because they used it to trade up to acquire Brady Quinn, their quarterback of the future. Does that make it more imperative to seriously entertain offers?

"I'll listen, but I don't have to do anything," said Crennel. "We're going to do what we think is best to improve the team. As we evaluate it over the next week, we'll decide what that will be."

" To this point, nobody's made an offer."

Anderson exceeded the Browns' expectations this year, and the Browns would love to have both him and Quinn back next season. For that reason, a team would probably have to dazzle the Browns to pry Anderson loose.

"I think you'd have to look at whatever offer came along," said Crennel. "Every player has some value, and then you'd have to say, 'How much value is it? Is it worth it or not?' Then you'd have to make the determination."

Anderson, who finished 5th in the NFL with 29 touchdown passes and 17th with an 82.5 rating, stands to hit pay dirt no matter where he is. Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo recently signed a six-year deal worth $67.5 million, including about $30 million guaranteed. Last season, Matt Schaub, the most sought-after restricted free agent on the market, signed a six-year deal worth $48 million, including $20 million over the first three years.

"Hopefully I'll be back, but I obviously don't control that," said Anderson. "Everybody's going to try and twist it one way or another. Right now I can't do anything about it. Time will tell what's going to happen."

He admitted he's anxious about the future.

"I love these guys in this locker room," he said. "It took me a while to grow and really like it here. I kind of enjoy it. I like the city, and part of me doesn't want to move."

Asked if Anderson goes into camp as the No. 1 quarterback, Crennel said: 'Tomorrow he goes in as the No. 1 quarterback. There's a lot of space between now and training camp. But Derek Anderson is the starter."

So he doesn't have a quarterback controversy? "I don't," said Crennel.

A dilemma then? Crennel said, "No."

What he does have is the envy of the NFL: two promising young quarterbacks.

"It shouldn't be an issue," said Crennel. "Probably both guys are not going to be happy. The guy who's playing is going to be happy. The guy who's not playing is not going to be happy. But it's a good problem to have."

Anderson said he sees no reason he and Quinn can't co-exist.

"Other teams have done it," he said. "I don't know how it happens. I've never been through it. We're functional. He gives me a hard time, I give him a hard time. We both get annoyed with each other. The relationship is good."

Kellen Winslow thinks there's writing on the wall.

"You know how it works," he said. "We drafted [Quinn], and he's probably going to play, so we'll see what happens. Derek's a great guy, but that's just the way this business works. You draft a guy, especially in the first round, he's playing."

Receiver Joe Jurevicius sees it differently.

"I don't believe there's a QB controversy," he said. "I don't buy into that. I just think Derek Anderson's our man. He deserves to be here, he deserves everything he has coming to him. I know Cleveland's been looking for a good quarterback for a while now, and I think Derek's proved that he's a legitimate quarterback."

Crennel said he doesn't feel compelled to give Anderson a vote of confidence.

"You guys are always the ones who bring up this quarterback thing," he said. "I don't see anybody saying that Jason Wright should be the starting running back. But everybody says Brady Quinn should be the starting quarterback. Just because you're a draft pick doesn't guarantee you success in the NFL. Anderson has done a good job with his opportunity, and Brady will do a good job with his opportunity when he gets it. When that's going to come, I don't know."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670

Browns' season is over, but QB talk is just beginning
Tuesday, January 1, 2008
By Steve Doerschuk
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

BEREA- On one level, it would be easier if the Browns came right out and announced their quarterback resolutions for 2008.

Here’s what they’ll probably do:

• Debate whether Derek Anderson or Brady Quinn could work as the starting quarterback for ’08.

• Kick around contract scenarios with Anderson’s agent.

• Agree on the value of recovering the 2008 Round 1 pick traded to Dallas in the Quinn deal.

• Set parameters for how much it would take to part with Anderson and listen to trade offers.

• Respond to Anderson’s entry into restricted free agency Feb. 28, preparing to extend him the highest tender, a one-year deal worth about $2 million. This forces any team that would entice Anderson away with a big contract to pay the Browns a first- and third-round pick in April.

Meanwhile, the Browns gain leverage if they keep teams guessing. Thus, they are answering quarterback questions in vague, ambiguous terms.

When Head Coach Romeo Crennel got his fill of QB questions in Monday’s season-ending press conference, he blurted out, “You guys are killing me.”

Here’s one bottom line: Anderson knows he might not be back.

“Hopefully, I’ll be back,” he said from his locker stall Monday, “but obviously I don’t control that.

“I really enjoy my teammates. I love these guys in the locker room. I had a lot of fun this season.”

Anderson has had quite an adventure in Cleveland since the Browns claimed him off waivers Sept. 20, 2005.

He was just getting used to being a rookie Round 6 pick in Baltimore — a long way from his Oregon home — when the Ravens cut him. Cleveland was cold turkey all over again.

“It took me a while to grow and really like it here,” he said. “I kind of enjoy it. ... Part of me doesn’t want to move.”

There is some talk about putting a franchise tag on Anderson. That’s an extreme longshot as it would cost the Browns more than $10 million and lock up Anderson only for 2008.

Anderson’s résumé went from pamphlet to volume in 2007. He went 10-5 as the starter. He passed for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns. He is a Pro Bowl alternate.

On the flip side, scouts worry that he’s “scatter-armed.” His touch on short passes is suspect. He threw 19 interceptions, four in the monster loss at Cincinnati.

Defensive coordinators seemed to be on to him. He posted passer ratings of 109 or higher in four of his first six starts. After that, his best was 96.5. Six of his last nine starts came in at 75.3 or lower.

Quinn supporters see the former Notre Dame star as a better prospect to thrive in Rob Chudzinski’s offense. Anderson’s point to the 10-5 record and that Quinn remains just a theory.

Crennel cautioned against rushing to play Quinn — and defended him in the same breath.

“Just because you’re a draft pick, that doesn’t guarantee you success in the NFL,” Crennel said. “You have to go play, and you have to prove it.

“You have to have an opportunity to prove it. Anderson has done a good job with his opportunity.

“Brady will do a good job with his opportunity when he gets it. He will because he’s that type of guy. When that’s going to come, I don’t know.”

It will be 2008 if Anderson is moved.

“Everybody has coming to them what they deserve,” wideout Joe Jurevicius said. “Whether that’s Derek here or Derek somewhere else ... I mean, this is the business aspect.”

Crennel acknowledged the possibility of suitors.

“If anybody is interested in (Anderson), we’ll just have to see how it goes,” Crennel said. “Sometimes people can make you an offer and you can say, ‘I think I’m going to stay with what I’ve got.’

“Sometimes they make you an offer and you say, ‘Ooohhh.’ ”

Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.com

this is one reason i wanted to make the playoffs...

to keep from seeing articles like this...

The "Brady Quinn Debate" has just officially started..

It's like a rewind........change Couch/Holcomb and insert Anderson/Quinn.....

"It's like a rewind........change Couch/Holcomb and insert Anderson/Quinn."

Except in this case the later will probably both start in the NFL and probably for a quite sometime. The former...never really made their marks into the NFL after that season. Just in the method of the deadbate.

But many of the circumstances that are involved in that deadbate and this just don't match. First and foremost the quality expected and the desire for NFL teams to want whoever we don't choose to start!

JMHO

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But many of the circumstances that are involved in that deadbate and this just don't match. First and foremost the quality expected and the desire for NFL teams to want whoever we don't choose to start!

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I fully agree......

However, the similarities are there in regard to the posts being made....talent notwithstanding. (and someone had to say it, so I just got it out there)

Ya Know...I've been REAL HOT on this Mikey Turner thing for a long time...

As I'm sittin' here breakin' down this team...I'm looking at who's a FA of our own...Our cap space and projected...And quite frankly cap space don't mean squat since we're seeing these 110M figures...We're in GREAT SHAPE...

2 things we've already taken care of as far as escalating bases and such are Bentley and Baxter...

I gots a feelin' Mr Turner's gonna get a serious contract...I'm strayin' away from him now...We ink Lewis for a couple years...And pick-up someone in THIS draft to replace Harrison...We'll save some big bucks...Sorry Harrison pimps...The kids another Jamel White...And I ain't gettin' into this deadbeat Can He Handle 300 Carries BS...Cause the answer's NO...

This is supposedly a deep 1st 3 Round RB Class...If we can snag a guy to go with Lewis and Wright...And replace Lewis over time...We'll be in great RB shape...And it will allow us to go in another direction without the big $ on Turner...And that other direction is a Bonafide #2 Wide Receiver opposite Edwards...

BTW...Someone asked me about Carter on the other thread...Here's your answer...Carter's a #3 AT BEST...Really a 4 or 5...We have a 3 in Jurevicious...And 3's ain't hard to find...What we NEED is the Legit #2 opposite Edwards...Winslow's in the slot all day anyway...Winslow allows us the luxury of not NEEDING a bonafide 3...

Enter Berrian of the Bears or Johnson of the Cards...

INK LEWIS SAVAGE...Pick one up the first 3 rounds and GO FOR THE #2 WR in FA...I like this plan much better than payin' the jack to Turner and not touching the #2 WR spot with the available Defensive guys...

FA wise we are only pickin' up ONE Offensively...And signing one of our own...

Now u hit the Defense HARD...

I was reading the first article and thought--------I bet this is a Mary Kay article. Scrolled up and sure enough.........God, what a manipulator.

And yes guys.........the QB controversy has already started. It really annoys me that we could have such a good year, a surprising year, a year of tremendous growth....and instead of enjoying it.... all we get are people trying to stir up controversy.

Too many people are assuming that BQ will be better than DA. Too many are assuming that all of DA's success came because of his supporting cast. Too many people are trying to force the process.

Would you all shut the hell up and allow the GM and coach to do their jobs? Not a single one of you can guarantee that BQ is going to be able to do as well as DA did this year. And not a single one of you can say that DA can't improve. We just don't know. On the flip side, no one can say BQ will flop or that DA will grow into a great QB. [of course, I really don't hear anyone making the last two claims. It's the BQ jock supporters who are causing all the trouble.]

Shaddup and let the organization handle it!

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And yes guys.........the QB controversy has already started. It really annoys me that we could have such a good year, a surprising year, a year of tremendous growth....and instead of enjoying it.... all we get are people trying to stir up controversy.

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This is where you're pissin' in the wind Vers...

Nobody's stirrin' anything...This thing has a head of its own...All by itself...

When you've got a First Round QB in the wings having givin' up a SUPPOSEDLY HIGH 1st Rounder the following year to get him...It's natural that this is the ASSumption the following year...And Anderson's success coupled with the success of the team has ESCALATED IT...

It's all people are talking about........the media and people on the message boards.

And none of you know anything for sure. Let the guys in charge handle it!

You comprehend that, amigo?

I have been lied to before by FO. Heard on TV that Tuna would give his first for the fishies to get DA. I say go. We chose NOT to develop BQ, but we mishandled DA vs. CF so badly with RAC's cute little guessing games and "competition" (what could they have been comparing anyhow?) that we are where we are. we loaded up some numbers; we did it on some teams having hard years. We did NOT beat teams we should have, and we surprised a couple. We come back stronger. But we did NOT convincingly own and produce stats like we must; happy talk in Berea over a 10 which is great; realistically, can you name at least 2 to 3 more that would have given us division and playoff? Hard cold look time in off season.
Next year (again), with feeling and little forgiveness in me heart, mates!
Doc Savage, you are wanted in surgery!