DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus Build That Wall or Elect Someone Who Will... pt 39

heck no I won't I'm not voting for either of those two morons and disgusting creeps.

I'm literally mind-blown that everyone isn't voting for Chase Oliver

You were just stanning for RFK Jr a little while ago...

Chase Oliver wasn't nominated by the Libertarian Party until May 26th and I really hadn't read much on him.

The more I read... the more I like.

He's not perfect. But, he's far better than the two alternatives.

Sounds like it is. Lol. All you do is criticize Biden, and not Trump. Ima betting your too weak to admit your voting for Trump like all the other Goper’s here.

So you cut out the part of his post where he says he's not voting for Trump and tell him he is?

Seems a little disingenuous.

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Boo hoo. Dry your eyes.

Lol. Dry my eyes?

I come here and lmao everyday. My wife sometimes ask if I'm watching comedy, I tell her yes.

Another pure lie from the right. No wonder you love trump.

Oh, you must be talking about trump since he is the one paying the huge settlement in a sexual abuse case.

j/c:

That was a pretty damn good summation of the state of things. About as well as you could summarize the current state in 3 minutes.

I might contradict it a little bit by saying that, if there are people who are discontent with their own side, they sure don't express it very much. More of the malaise and upheaval is expressed by throwing shade at the other side, rather than discontent being expressed at our "own" side. I think if we're honest with ourselves, that shade is a way to make each one of us not feel so bad about the prospect of the fact we will eventually be voting for someone who we believe is a bad candidate, or that we're voting for someone who has no more than a 3% chance of winning.

I think that's a problem, too. Our focus on constantly throwing shade at the other side is what makes politicians rest easy with the fact that they are turds. The only time we see politicians really get nervous and actually try is when they feel they are losing their own base that they thought they had under control, despite the fact those same politicians did very little to actually represent them. I would say that broadly applies to about 90+% of federal politicians.

They hinted that this seems to happen every 50 years or so in politics. I'm trying to think back to when that would have applied, and I suppose that could actually be correct. Looking at elections like Carter/Ford, Herbert Hoover/Al Smith.

My personal view is that for us to get over this current malaise era, Republicans need to shed the MAGA wing. Enough is enough with the likes of Trump, Boebert, MTG, Gaetz, etc. It's truly been awful. That unfortunately doesn't happen unless Trump loses this year. I say "unfortunately" because I'm not remotely thrilled about the prospect of a President who's already in clear mental decline attempting to serve another 4 years. I would love for the Republicans to return to their roots, but I don't think it'll happen unless they take an ass kicking this year. I certainly don't want to perpetuate what they have become.

After that would theoretically happen, I hope that they can really reinvent themselves and then force the Democrats to do the same, because the Dems have rested on their laurels of not being "as bad" for far too long. While the "urgency" of Democrats needing to reinvent themselves isn't as high in my opinion, it's still one hell of a need. Can't stand a lot of their nonsense either.

Well said.

In reference to Lankford saying "This is gooood!" and these sites cherry-picking what they consider the noncontroversial "good" things about the bill (posted by northlima dawg):

https://www.lankford.senate.gov/new...-with-huge-wins-for-securing-the-border/

https://www.lankford.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/FINAL-GENERAL-ONE-PAGER.pdf




The reality is that this is basically legislation reforming immigration under the guise of "emergency measures" that do basically nothing to remedy the disaster. A disaster created by Biden with his 60+ executive order reversals during his first weeks in office.

Orders which he then spent months saying he had no power to fix (this after the first three years of saying the border was closed, there were no problems, and everyone in his administration parroting the same lines even though over 8 million had crossed the border and hundreds of thousands more were being flown in and placed all over the country by applying for "asylum" using a phone app).

The bill was marked DOA weeks before Trump ever commented, contrary to the fake news spread here and everywhere else about "Trump's orders". Even Lankford said over a month before that some language would definitely have to change and alluded to the 5000 number that has been debated ad nauseam. In the end (near the end), he said the 5000 person per day turnstyle was simply misunderstood and there was a bunch of "misinformation", and kept repeating that until the bill saw the actual light of day. In order to give that a shred of creedence we have to start the journey by buying in to the following far-fetched scenario.


Lankford says we would not be letting in 5000 people because they would be processed on the spot. The current "staff" is to the point of letting people in on the promise of reporting to ICE, and then getting a hearing in approximately 7-10 YEARS.

But if we hire some more agents and then, according to independent Sen. Kyrsten Sinema "add an additional 50000 beds to the existing 30,000", that will solve that problem. In reality there are currently 34,000 ICE detention beds nationwide and the current wait for a hearing, as mentioned above, is as much as 10 years.

So, how would 50,000 additional beds bring that number from 10 years to "weeks"? That is some math even Isaac Newton would admire. And how fast would these huge facilities be located, designed, drawn, materials req'd, built, furnished, employed and housed?? To fix an emergency at the border? GTHOH with that noise.


So, that's 5000 per day at "illegal" points of entry (1.825 million per year). Another line in this bill MANDATES letting 1400 per day at legal checkpoints (over 500,000 per year). So we're off to a good start, right? 2.325 million per year will cross the border under this "bipartisan deal" (besides the usual gotaways once we cosign on continued chaos at the border... plus all the others flown in with Biden's growingly popular "it's an app man!")

Those are the same exact numbers that created this disaster. PLEASE explain to me how any of this makes sense.




More food for thought...

Let's start with Lankford's comments about the much misunderstood 5000 rule:


"Senator, how did you come up with 5000 people, is this Kyrsten Sinema's idea or did you want 5000 people everyday?"

"Let me set something straight right now. If president Trump were president right now, we wouldn't have the numbers that we have right now. But also this 5000 number has been the most misunderstood part of all of this.

This is not about 5000 people that are allowed into the country, this is about an emergency authority that kicks in above and beyond everything else. The goal is every single person is detained and deported in the process, whether it's one or whether it's 5000. But there is an extra emergency authority that gets in if we get caravans, if we have a day like yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that, or the day before that, where the border is shut down and everyone is deported, no one is even processed at all, everyone's just turned around and sent back into Mexico." #emergencyborderactions lmfao


And BTW, his claim that there is a "mandatory shutdown" at 5000 is a complete and utter lie. No excuse for that crap either since he wrote the bill. The shutdown or "Emergency Powers"...

* Is based on a moving seven day average
* Do not affect ports of entry
* Can be ignored by Biden if deemed "not in our national interests"
* Leave the border wide open for undefined "Humanitarian Exceptions"
* And then there's a blanket disclaimer at the end that Team Joe (or whomever is in power) retains the option to "opt out" on ALL limits on migrant numbers (poison pill)



ALSO:

*All migrant families must be released from custody.
*Only single individuals can be deported.
*"Emergency Powers" don't affect ports of entry... in other words the border never closes under any circumstances.

*ALL Emergency orders can be IGNORED if Sleepy decides it's "not in our national interests".

Broad "Humanitarian Exceptions" with NO definitions, granting asylum (and a rapid path to citizenship) to nearly anyone that these failing "leaders" see fit to.

ANYBODY that crosses the border and reads "fear of persecution or torture" from their laminated cue card (conveniently provided by the cartel trafficking them) is immediately granted asylum, beginning the arduous, undefined, administration process. One that will be magically fixed by hiring a bunch of lefty "asylum officers" (they will fall off trees and be hired immediately btw, so that this crazy plan can be instituted on day one ) instead of immigration judges.

1.4B to build more Border Shelters -- so we can let more people in at once! And 36M for migrant lawyers.

AUTOMATIC "Conditional Permanent Resident" status for ALL Afghan evacuees who entered after July 2021.

*Ports of Entry MUST ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 1400 MIGRANTS PER DAY. There are THIRTY Ports of Entry. 500,000 migrants per year MUST BE ALLOWED ENTRY.

*Border states lose ALL jurisdiction for legal challenges, they all now go to the libtard swamp in DC. And not only to the bill itself, but all guidance, implementation and decisions concerning the bill.



Bill reinforces the "need" for "Non custodial detention" (letting people go by telling them "make sure you report to ICE!")

That means: We let you go, try to show up for your meeting.

Detention = 95%+ removal rate for not meeting obligation of proving asylum claim.
Released into public = a mere 6% removal rate (I wonder why?)



This does nothing but to further incentivise illegal immigration and further empowers the dolt (Mayorkas) who helped create the utter mess. He said there was no problem and the border was sealed for over three years. Now it's all the fault of republicans that won't pass this sham of a bill disguised as "emergency orders". The biggest accomplishment of this bill is that it continues to encourage people to come to the open border.


"This is a compromise"

This is in no way even a Border Security Bill. It's a weak partisan attempt at immigration reform cosigned by a weak senator from Oklahoma so everybody could scream "BIPARTISAN!" and not even exercise three brain cells reading or understanding what's in it. You've seen it repeated over, and over, and over, and over... while I'm scolded and told "this is the greatest bill ever" and people like Daman say "it's been explained to me a million times". 🤣



What. A. Joke.

(and yes, I'm triggered)

You're already losing me here. Legislation reforming immigration is exactly what we need. Full stop. You trying to frame this as a bad thing is really confusing.

"some language would definitely have to change" is NOT the same thing as DOA. "Some language would definitely have to change" amounts to Congress actually doing their job. I think you are doing yourself a tremendous disservice by taking talking points from MAGA on this at face value. A large portion of MAGA Republicans (especially the more outspoken ones) use the immigration debate (and others) as a dog whistle as a substitute for having an actual platform; and taking that away by actually working towards a solution to the very real illegal alien problem threatens their continued relevance. That's the only logical explanation I have for House Republicans not even considering a bill that already had so portions reversed and undermined core pieces of liberals immigration policy. They could've easily extracted more as well.

What you are describing here is exactly why bills aren't just taken up and voted on as-is with no debate or changes. Again, House GOP seeing the concessions that are already being put on the table and not working to fix or get more reeks of not wanting to do their job (I believe I know the motive as I've stated before this)

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So, that's 5000 per day at "illegal" points of entry (1.825 million per year). Another line in this bill MANDATES letting 1400 per day at legal checkpoints (over 500,000 per year). So we're off to a good start, right? 2.325 million per year will cross the border under this "bipartisan deal" (besides the usual gotaways once we cosign on continued chaos at the border... plus all the others flown in with Biden's growingly popular "it's an app man!")

Those are the same exact numbers that created this disaster. PLEASE explain to me how any of this makes sense.




More food for thought...

Let's start with Lankford's comments about the much misunderstood 5000 rule:


"Senator, how did you come up with 5000 people, is this Kyrsten Sinema's idea or did you want 5000 people everyday?"

"Let me set something straight right now. If president Trump were president right now, we wouldn't have the numbers that we have right now. But also this 5000 number has been the most misunderstood part of all of this.

This is not about 5000 people that are allowed into the country, this is about an emergency authority that kicks in above and beyond everything else. The goal is every single person is detained and deported in the process, whether it's one or whether it's 5000. But there is an extra emergency authority that gets in if we get caravans, if we have a day like yesterday, or the day before, or the day before that, or the day before that, where the border is shut down and everyone is deported, no one is even processed at all, everyone's just turned around and sent back into Mexico." #emergencyborderactions lmfao


And BTW, his claim that there is a "mandatory shutdown" at 5000 is a complete and utter lie. No excuse for that crap either since he wrote the bill. The shutdown or "Emergency Powers"...

* Is based on a moving seven day average
* Do not affect ports of entry
* Can be ignored by Biden if deemed "not in our national interests"
* Leave the border wide open for undefined "Humanitarian Exceptions"
* And then there's a blanket disclaimer at the end that Team Joe (or whomever is in power) retains the option to "opt out" on ALL limits on migrant numbers (poison pill)



ALSO:

*All migrant families must be released from custody.
*Only single individuals can be deported.
*"Emergency Powers" don't affect ports of entry... in other words the border never closes under any circumstances.

*ALL Emergency orders can be IGNORED if Sleepy decides it's "not in our national interests".

Broad "Humanitarian Exceptions" with NO definitions, granting asylum (and a rapid path to citizenship) to nearly anyone that these failing "leaders" see fit to.

ANYBODY that crosses the border and reads "fear of persecution or torture" from their laminated cue card (conveniently provided by the cartel trafficking them) is immediately granted asylum, beginning the arduous, undefined, administration process. One that will be magically fixed by hiring a bunch of lefty "asylum officers" (they will fall off trees and be hired immediately btw, so that this crazy plan can be instituted on day one ) instead of immigration judges.

1.4B to build more Border Shelters -- so we can let more people in at once! And 36M for migrant lawyers.

AUTOMATIC "Conditional Permanent Resident" status for ALL Afghan evacuees who entered after July 2021.

*Ports of Entry MUST ALLOW A MINIMUM OF 1400 MIGRANTS PER DAY. There are THIRTY Ports of Entry. 500,000 migrants per year MUST BE ALLOWED ENTRY.

*Border states lose ALL jurisdiction for legal challenges, they all now go to the libtard swamp in DC. And not only to the bill itself, but all guidance, implementation and decisions concerning the bill.



Bill reinforces the "need" for "Non custodial detention" (letting people go by telling them "make sure you report to ICE!")

That means: We let you go, try to show up for your meeting.

Detention = 95%+ removal rate for not meeting obligation of proving asylum claim.
Released into public = a mere 6% removal rate (I wonder why?)



This does nothing but to further incentivise illegal immigration and further empowers the dolt (Mayorkas) who helped create the utter mess. He said there was no problem and the border was sealed for over three years. Now it's all the fault of republicans that won't pass this sham of a bill disguised as "emergency orders". The biggest accomplishment of this bill is that it continues to encourage people to come to the open border.


"This is a compromise"

This is in no way even a Border Security Bill. It's a weak partisan attempt at immigration reform cosigned by a weak senator from Oklahoma so everybody could scream "BIPARTISAN!" and not even exercise three brain cells reading or understanding what's in it. You've seen it repeated over, and over, and over, and over... while I'm scolded and told "this is the greatest bill ever" and people like Daman say "it's been explained to me a million times". 🤣



What. A. Joke.

(and yes, I'm triggered)[/quote]

I'm not going to lie... all this reads like one of those Alex Jones unhinged rants that were consistently VERY loosely based in fact. That said, I gotta read up before I can put together an actual response to the numbers and figures your putting out here. Please give me a little bit to find some free time to do some reading.

All I know is that this bill represents the closest we have gotten to fixing the illegal alien problem that has been allowed to go on for far too long. We can argue about how close or far away it actually is, but it's the closest in that it was a collection of initiatives put to paper... which is pretty pathetic considering how long this has been going. The fact that MAGA GOP (the ones doing the majority of the yelling and screaming on the issue) passed to quickly on working towards a fix is deeply disappointing. Democrats aren't ever going to put the work into getting this issue fixed the way it should (annoying but par for the course), but GOP not going after such a monumental bill that is at the top of their agenda points to other motives.

I am not nearly as well versed on the border stuff as you and others are, but I did recall Lankford speaking up to Bartiromo about it on Fox News. She is essentially an extension of the MAGA wing with her rhetoric, and I think she tried to sensationally grill him on weak points of the act, including the 5,000 figure, and he pretty much turned the tables on her and made her look quite dumb. That quote you have above may be a direct quote from his interview with her. He is a Trump supporting Republican, mind you, not a Democratic apologist.

It does seem to be a common sense thought at this point that the MAGA wing does not want the border to be fixed, because, like you said, 1) It would give Biden a win in an area where they are trying to focus on failure for the upcoming election. Essentially, they would lose their biggest stomping point. 2) They had no willingness to even debate the bill on its merits, and 3) They have no counterproposal from what I have seen, which falls in lines with one of my major qualms of today's Republicans (as a whole): I know what they're against, but I sure as hell have no idea what they're for.

Actually, if you read that and dispute not a single fact, infer that I means I don't support immigration reform and sum it up by saying it reads like Alex Jones? Don't bother. I won't be here to read it anyway.

Enjoy your circle jerk.

Biden lets 10M cross the border, it's Trump and big scary MAGA's fault... reads like something a little different. Namely Brothers Grim.

Bummer. See ya

He can't come to grips with the fact that trump used title 42, an emergency health directive with which to implement those executive orders to stem the flow of immigrants. Once Covid wound down there was no longer such a health emergency with which to base them on.

So what really happened is our broken immigration laws allowed 10 million immigrants to enter the country. Of course the most convenient thing they can do is blame Biden for it and makes excuse why congress refused to fix it.

Interesting that in 6-7 paragraphs and a lot of words, with all that verbiage, you just cannot admit the truth that most everyone but you looney lefties can see. The president can do a lot to affect the situation at the border, without “comprehensive immigration reform” you keep claiming we need. Trump did it and Biden has floated some half assed plan that accomplishes nothing. Trump wanted to control the border, Biden is trying to rescue his campaign by appearing to want to. Big difference!!

You seem to think 42 is the extent of trumps border control policies. You must have slept thru a lot. In fact, if we just reinstituted two policies Trump had, our border would improve dramatically. First , bring back remain in Mexico for asylum seekers. Second, abolish catch and release. No more just dumping these illegals into the country. Those two changes will bring the flow of illegals down dramatically.

I want a “monarchy “?? Really?? No I believe in the rule of law. Section 212 of the Immigration and Naturalization act to be exact. The Supreme Court ruled that the President has the authority to bar any non citizen for any reason. That is why the President can provide dramatic relief for the situation at the border.

Just saw the news story. Eight Tajikistanies were just busted for an isis inspired attack on America. We stopped it!!! How did they get here?? They crossed our border illegally and were released into the country. Thankfully we stopped them. But when millions cross our border bad people will be amongst them. That is why we need to control our border!!!

You seem to keep trying to pretend that a president is supposed to write our laws. You keep pretending a president can fund border protection. Keep making excuses for congress refusing to do their job. If, as you claim, a president can close the border, maybe you can explain this......

U.S. Supreme Court denies Trump administration request to immediately enforce new asylum rules

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/12/21/supreme-court-trump-asylum-rules-enforcement/

Federal courts have ruled against Trump administration policies at least 70 times

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-overruled/

Well geez Louise pit. You would rather blow a bunch of smoke than admit that some Trump policies had a positive effect. That they worked.Why is that??

I am not “pretending” anything. I know who writes immigration law. But you are pretending. Pretending that we cannot control the border without “comprehensive immigration reform. Even though we have shown that we can. Why can’t you acknowledge that.

Did the court rule that doing away with “catch and release” was unconstitutional?? No they did not. Can’t you agree with me that having millions coming to our border from dozens of countries, and with minimal vetting, releasing them into the heartland of America is a really dumb idea? That it is a recipe for disaster. That it gets us 8 Tajikistanis getting into our country with isis ties and the intention of blowing up and hurting Americans. That is what it gets us. We stopped them thankfully. Is it going to take some of these evildoers being released into America and successfully doing us harm for you to say that “catch and release” is a really bad idea?

Did the court rule that the “remain in Mexico” policy is unconstitutional? No they did not. Does it make sense to have some illegals come to the border, claim asylum and be released into America with instructions to come to a court date 5 years from now. Especially knowing full well that 90% of asylum cases are denied. They have a tremendous incentive to just not show up , and as you lefties like to say, “live in the shadows”. Instituting these two policies alone will reduce the flow of illegals to the border and help us bring the border under control.

One final thought on why both these policies are a good idea. Both of them prevent illegals from being released into our country. Without these policies illegals are dumped into our country. And what do they do?? In many cases they copulate and have babies. And because of a really dumb interpretation of a provision in the constitution that guaranteed the children of freed slaves would be citizens, these are called “anchor babies” and a plethora of new problems are opened up.

Once the border is controlled we can begin serious negotiations about immigration law reform. There are many common sense things we can do. Reform the H1b visa program. I am certain our rich techie companies are abusing it to bring in foreign workers to do jobs Americans could do but paying them less. How about instead of using that program to get foreign workers they establish scholarships at multiple colleges for people who will take the course work they need to work in tech.

We can reform the farm worker program, modernize that system to provide adequate numbers of farm workers. We can also institute e verify to make certain there are no abuses, to include major financial penalties for companies who employ workers who are here illegally.

In conjunction with all this, after border control is established, I think we need to take a brief pause in all immigration while we take a deep breath and pass the legislation needed. I think it could be done.

They did have some positive effects. That doesn't change what you claimed verses reality. Your claim was a president can close the border and that's not true. You do understand these policies were implemented under title 42 which gave trump emergency powers due to Covid, right? Title 42 no longer exists. Which means many of those policies can no longer be used because those emergency measures no longer exist.

That's why at this point in time only congress can fix it. And you continue to blame a person not responsible for doing that rather than holding congress accountable. But I'm not surprised by that.

Why did you refuse to address that even under emergency Covid restrictions trump couldn't "close the southern border" as you claimed? That even federal courts and the SCOTUS overturned some of his executive orders? I'll tell you why. Because it proves that a president can't rewrite immigration law. And that was even with having a health emergency declaration which no longer exists.

There's one one problem with that. The SCOTUS has already determined that to be illegal. Damn those pesky things we call laws!

You keep talking about all of the things trump did but refuse to admit that trump had title 42 that gave him health emergency powers which no longer exist.

If the president cannot “close the border” is Biden lying to us when he says that when the number of border crossings hits 5000 he will “close the border”?? Just curious.

So allowing a certain number of people a day to cross the border is closing the border? No it's not. You may wish to rethink the question you're asking.

Geez pit, you are so desperate to defend bidens loser border policy. His executive order says that when crossings reach a certain number he will s”suspend border crossings”, just a way of saying he will close the border. So apparently at that point he is able to “close the border “. But you said a president cannot close the border but Biden says he can.

Don’t get me wrong it is a totally bogus made up effort to win votes he has lost to his border travesty. But apparently he believes it is possible at a certain point to close the border. Interesting that he is using section 212 and 215 of the Immigration and Naturalization Act I spoke about a day or two ago. That is the same legal authorization Trump used for his border policy. Hmm

Btw if he can close the border at 5000 crossings how about we close the border at 5. I know it flies in the face of what you lefties want but let’s pretend we have a real border and not some imaginary line to be ignored.

You can't be letting people across the border every day if it's closed. This is a pretty basic concept. You still keep avoiding title 42 powers that trump had. I'm not surprised by that. It's the only excuse you can find for a GOP congress refusing to do their job.

Since you like to throw out questions i have one for you....

Which branch of government has the responsibility to write our laws?

What a child. Grow up. When I ask a question it has meaning. It is not the musings of a 7 year old.

So, since you have finally come around to agreeing that trump border policies were working, why do you suppose Biden cancelled those policies? I have two theories. First Biden is so insecure he could not tolerate a successful Trump policy being left in place. Second Biden really does not care if the border is secure. He cancelled an effective policy then spent three years lying to Americans that the border was under control when it was obvious to everyone that it was not.

You have pointed out several times that 70 or so changes trump tried to enact were overturned. But that just demonstrates that Trump really wanted to protect our border. He kept trying and then had great success with two border policies, the ones Biden did away with. Trump cares about America’s border, Biden does not . And the results show it.

So claiming Biden is closing the border when thousands will be allowed to cross the border every day has meaning but asking whose responsibility and job is actually is to write the laws to change our immigration system is childish and has no meaning?

This is why it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with people like yourself.

Because it's not the president's job to transform immigration. Because you can't continue to use something like title 42 which is a Health emergency measure that is the ONLY reason trump had the ability to use such extreme measures during covid . Once that healthcare emergency has passed they are no longer viable. But you keep skipping that and refusing to address it. Many of the measures trump used on immigration would not ever have been allowed if not for title 42.

What not only the 70 cases that were overturned as well as the case the SCOTUS overturned was because even with Covid emergency measures given to trump he tried to dictate immigration law by executive powers which is outside the authority of the president. But I suppose your excuse is as good as any to mask the fact he had no idea what the law allowed him to do and what it didn't. Kind of sounds like the excuse we see today.... "He was willing to do things he isn't allowed to do and that shows what a dedicated man he is!" Read that back slowly to yourself a few times if you think it will help.

Now, if I'm going to play 20 questions with you, you can do the same. And stop pretending your questions have meaning while mine don't as an excuse to dodge them.


Why are you not instead of blaming a president who can neither write immigration law nor has the power to fund it responsible for not doing the job congress has been appointed to do which is write our laws?

You seem to admit our immigration system is broken but blame Biden instead of congress who is the only government body with the power to write immigration laws that can fix it?

Stop pretending those aren't important questions and man up.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/bi...ts-legal-status-10-years-in-u-s-married/

Biden is going to give illegals legal status.

This is shameful. Biden is really desperate for votes.

https://notthebee.com/article/gavin...l-melugin-smacks-him-down-with-the-facts

Gavin Newsome lying about sending the national guard to the border to stop illegals.

You man up.

Congress is too split to do anything at the moment. The President can by executive action.

This subject is cut and dried. Either you want to stop the flow of illegals, including Isis members , or you aren't. It really is that simple.

Just my opinion here but those that aren't are traitors to this country. You just watch the invasion and smile because you want votes over security.

Which is why trump had his minions torpedo the bi-partisan bill.
This issue has been a problem for decades

But yea, this is all biden's fault

I love how all of you ignore the fact that most of what trump did on executive orders concerning the border were done under title 42 which gives a president special powers to write such executive orders due to a health emergency that no longer exists. At first I thought maybe the news sources you have decided to listen to simply didn't inform you about it. But now, after being told about it over and over again I think we're at the point you simply are either lying about it or don't want to admit it. Nobody is smiling about it.

People such as yourself simply keep repeating false information.

Try educating yourself.....

Noncitizen voting isn’t an issue in federal elections, regardless of conspiracy theories. Here’s why

https://apnews.com/article/trump-im...lained-cf4c73b336147b5f5d9c2a22b2564994#

Stop being sucked down the rabbit hole.

https://nypost.com/2024/06/18/us-news/more-officials-issue-imminent-terrorist-attack-warnings

Imminent Terrorist Attack warnings due to Biden's open border letting unvetted illegals into the country. SHAME! Biden jeopardizes National Security for political gain!

Pitdawg thinks the death of Americans at the hands of illegals is funny.

Eve thinks she's making a point. They've been saying the same thing for years now and still nothing. At some point people realize it's just more of their BS.

Well more collateral damage from the Biden mayorkas border policy intent on “radically transform the United States of America”. Sad that a precious 13 year old girl had her life badly disrupted by, you guessed it, an illegal alien. Someone who had no right, and no business being here. But due to Biden mayorkas he is , and he assaulted and raped this 13 year old girl. Then there was the young mother of five, murdered by an illegal who had no right to be here. But he is and she is dead. Maybe Biden and mayorkas will contribute to supporting these children. I believe he is the one who was wanted in his home country for murder, so either our vaunted highly effective vetting process blew it or he is one on the 1.5-2.0 million “gotaways”who have crossed our order the last couple years avoiding contact with our border agents.

Then there is the illegal who was driving a semi, out west i believe, who had no right to be here caused a wreck and killed another American. I do not have info on this, but if he was driving for a company as an illegal I hope the families sue that company for every dime they are worth. But I do not know who he was driving for.

Inquiring minds would like to know. Is there a number, any number, of dead Americans at the hands of these illegals that might make you rethink and regret what the lefties have done to our border. Any number that would make you wish for the good old days of Trump numbers. As we are seeing you cannot allow millions to pour in basically unvetted without having a bunch of lowlifes like these people who are hurting Americans.

Pit thinks those crimes against American are funny. Thats the type of person he is.