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Yes, we should put video displays of Biden's gaffes (and Trump's) in every classroom.

Thanks for staying on topic...... again.

OCD brought up non-sensical beliefs. I was replying to that "topic." Is that not how you said this works?

It only works how it works when he says it works with the goal post move and the panic and ya know, the thing.

How quickly the pot wants to call the kettle black. But this is how things work when someone gets their panties in a wad and can't help but go after someone who disagrees with them.

I do tend to agree that OCD goes off the deep end from time to time.

I didn't need to hear about your panties.

First of all the comment was directed towards you and secondly it's not me who has their panties in a wad. I'm quite comfortable dealing with people such as Frank and yourself. Watching you both in pretend land is quite interesting to observe.

Sorry Pit, I don't swing that way. The thought of you imagining me in panties is rather disturbing.

Bleh, now you've got me imagining you "comfortably 'dealing with' guys named Frank." And your "watching us in pretend land" is also kind of creepy.

Somebody have something I can use to scour that image out of my brain?

If that's the way your brain operates that sounds like a you issue. I didn't create the visions in your head. Only you have the power to do that. But nice try.

Try to focus your imagination in a more positive manner.

Let's have a little chat about this whole Ten Commandments in schools hullabaloo down in Louisiana, shall we?

Now, I gotta say, my grandpappy always had a thing or two to say about politicians and their fancy laws. He used to tell me, "Randy, politicians are like cats; they’ll curl up in your lap one minute and scratch your face the next." And boy, does this new law sound like one of those head-scratchers!

First off, let's be clear – I got nothin' against folks bein' proud of their faith. My grandpappy had a Bible that was more worn out than a tractor on a busy farm, and he'd quote scripture at the drop of a hat. But let’s talk about plastering the Ten Commandments all over public school walls. It’s kinda like slappin’ a bumper sticker on a brand new car – some folks love it, others think it messes with the paint job.

On one hand, you got folks who think this is a great step toward instilling good ol' fashioned values. They see it as a way to remind kids of some basic do's and don'ts, kind of like that one uncle who’s always reminding you to keep your elbows off the table. And hey, there's somethin' to be said for a little moral guidance. It’s like putting a ‘Live, Laugh, Love’ sign in your kitchen – does it make your cooking better? No, but it makes you feel good while you’re burning the casserole.

But on the other hand, you got folks who say, "Hey now, what about separation of church and state?" They’re worried that this is just the start of a slippery slope, where next thing you know, we’ll be mixin’ church services with math classes and Sunday sermons with science experiments. And they might have a point – schools are supposed to be a place for learnin' all kinds of things, and not everyone’s singin' from the same hymnbook, if you catch my drift. I mean, what’s next? The Book of Genesis in biology class? Let’s not get too crazy here.

And hey, if we’re gonna go down this road, let’s make sure we’re playin’ fair. If one faith gets a spotlight, then let’s roll out the welcome mat for all of 'em. Imagine walkin' into a classroom and seein' the Ten Commandments right next to the Five Pillars of Islam, the Noble Eightfold Path, and a list of Hindu deities. Throw in a bit of wisdom from Confucius, a touch of Buddhist serenity, and heck, maybe even a nod to the Flying Spaghetti Monster for good measure. This way, we can show our kids that the world is a big, diverse place with all sorts of beliefs, and maybe teach 'em a bit about respect and understanding while we're at it. After all, if we're gonna hang up moral codes, let's give 'em the whole buffet, not just the appetizer.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I ain't here to pick sides. I’m just a fella tryin’ to make sense of it all, like a squirrel tryin' to figure out which way to go in a corn maze. It’s a big ol' world out there with room for a whole lot of different beliefs. Maybe instead of plasterin' commandments on walls, we oughta plaster some common sense in our heads – respectin' each other’s differences and focusin' on teachin' our young'uns how to think, not what to think. After all, the last thing we need is a history test where the answers are “Because God said so.”

Words have power, Pit. Don't try to deny responsibility now. You brought up men's underclothes.

I'm with you about the "all or none" part. Singling out one religion to represent in your schools while ignoring all other is obviously a christian agenda driven narrative.

J/C Religion is crack for those who can’t control their own lives. That being said the Ten Commandments are good rules to live by and none of them relate to a specific religion. I see nothing wrong with them being posted in public schools.

So you don't see scriptures coming directly from a book from the christian religion as not promoting the book of a single faith while ignoring all other faiths?

Why not just put up a poster of trump that says "Don't be like this guy!" It would pretty much be saying the same thing and wouldn't enter religion into the discussion.

No, I don’t see it that way. Probably because Im not believing a mortal man, Moses, lived a couple hundred years and spent months up on a mountain while he waited for a god to write Ten Commandments in stone beside a burning bush. If there is any truth to the scripture it would read more like Moses retreated to the top of Mt. Horab (The Mountain of God) and after long thought for the future of the Hebrew people carved Ten Commandments into stone as rules to live by for a peaceful people. Then one day a lightning bolt struck a bush and it caught on fire.

Your trump poster idea is a good one. I’m good with that as well.

I do believe the Ten Commandments are good rules to live by no matter which faith you follow.

They are. Which is why most all of them are already laws. Maybe they should put up posters that state those laws and tell children not to be criminals rather than quote bible verses. And I suppose if you look no further than "What you believe" or don't believe in this case that's fine. But you may wish to take a look at things from the big picture. Books are being banned, teaching acceptance to others such as he LGBTQ community are already being banned and public school money is being funneled to religious schools due to what they call "Christian values" being imposed on the whole of society. This is just a further continuation of that and not some single example.

...The first four commandments are pretty Christianity-centric.

Yeah, the whole "Thou shalt put no other god's before me" to start things off seems to be very Christianity-centric. I'm not sure that Spiral has read the first four. It's pretty obvious they are cntered arond Christianity. Maybe he thinks these things are what our nations children should be taught in schools and as he puts it "I do believe the Ten Commandments are good rules to live by no matter which faith you follow."

“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.”

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.”

Christianity centric, before the birth of Christ. Alrighty then. The first four commandments can still relate to any religion. Posting good rules to live by in public schools, bad for kids. How again?

The 10 Commandments are not Christian anything. They are from the Old Testament. Christianity is founded on the teachings of Christ in the New Testament. If you want to complain about the 10 Commandments then you might as well also complain about Judaism and Islam.

Most Christian Bibles include both testaments.

The 10 Commandments in the Quran are different than those in the Bible. I'm pretty sure those aren't the ones they are putting on school walls

If they were putting the Quran on the wall, I'd question that, too.

Nice try. Christianity had nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Then or now. And what are the differences between the Quran and the Hebrew versions, since you seem to know so much about it.

Most Christian Bibles do not include both testaments. The 10 Commandments from all the Abrahamic religions are basically the same and refer to the same event. However, that is not what Christianity is about. Stop making ignorant statements.

Every time he gets called out on his BS he comes back with more. Lol

That is a lie which means that you need to......


Dear Lord.

So then you are saying those first four commandments aren't christian centric and aren't scriptures of the christian bible? Or do you only think that the last six commandments "are good rules to live by no matter which faith you follow."?

You are giving a masterclass on ignorance today.

You shouldn't lie so much. God is watching.

Here's a breakdown of the differences: link

The Ten Commandments are not Christian centric. The Hebrew bible was written by ancient Hebrews and Israelites. Under the name of god.

“The Old Testament (OT) is the first division of the Christian biblical canon, which is based primarily upon the 24 books of the Hebrew Bible, or Tanakh, a collection of ancient religious Hebrew and occasionally Aramaic writings by the Israelites.”

“Based primarily upon”? Uh ha. So not everything can be taken as gospel in the Christian version of the Old Testament. Considering it was the written translation of mortal men.

link

Bible: The sacred scriptures of Christians comprising the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Alright, let's call it Abrahamic God-centric and specify that Islam uses a different list in its holy book.

Thanks.. They are very similar just in other words. Translations can be very bias in any religion.

Still the question is, what’s wrong with posting them in public schools?

Since you're the one that made the statement show me where, "Most Christian Bibles do not include both testaments". I know you won't because it's not true so you can't. Because that's what you do. You say crazy things that are in no way true that you can't back up and then try to make it look like what you said actually means something.

Try backing up your BS for once. Don't worry I'll wait.

Yes, and I'm fairly certain it is "Christians" that chose the translation they are using.

So? They are good rules to live by. What’s wrong with the English translations?

I’m pretty sure kids today aren’t speaking or reading ancient Hebrew.

When you purchase a Christian Bible it does not contain the Hebrew Bible. When you go to church, they teach you readings from the New Testament. Christians, like Jews, and Muslims, believe in the Old Testament, but Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ. The Old Testament is not Christian based. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

You still haven't addressed the first four commandments. Are those included in your list of "good rules to live by"? Are you trying to claim those aren't centered around Christianity and their teachings from their chosen "holy book"?

Both the Old and New testaments are included in the vast majority of Bibles. Your quote......