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Cincinnati .. another DT


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Practice Squad type.


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I hope his lunch pail is full!! I want this young man to put on a show he gets picked up by another team.

It's a bitter sweat. Only one or two guys drafted this year will make this roster.

I hope Berry makes joining the Browns a perk. Worst case they use Cleveland as a springboard to make a living on another team.

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I hope his lunch pail is full!! I want this young man to put on a show he gets picked up by another team.

It's a bitter sweat. Only one or two guys drafted this year will make this roster.

I hope Berry makes joining the Browns a perk. Worst case they use Cleveland as a springboard to make a living on another team.

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Originally Posted by bugs
I hope his lunch pail is full!! I want this young man to put on a show he gets picked up by another team.

It's a bitter sweat. Only one or two guys drafted this year will make this roster.

I hope Berry makes joining the Browns a perk. Worst case they use Cleveland as a springboard to make a living on another team.

I don't know. More than 1-2 will make the team.

You always have your bottom 10 on the team and several of them have been around 3 years. It's easy to purge those guys out to bring in some new blood. After 2-3 years to see, it's time to bring in some new players and give them a chance to prove out.

You don't want to get stale at the bottom end of the roster or you might lose out on that hidden gem. If that earlier hunch hasn't played out after 2-3 years, time to go with another hunch.


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Maybe he can push Ika to the PS.


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Bonefish mentioned how Schwartz uses his DTs in the Mike Hall thread which sent me down the internet rabbit hole and I found an old coaches clinic Schwartz gave on YouTube. It was for OL coaches, but it approached OL from a DC's perspective. In it, he gave an anecdote about Bob Dahl. He was a DT to OG convert. I wonder if Briggs might be a candidate for that. His RAS for IOL is higher than at DT. (link)

He also talked about the 2 OL coach dynamic the Browns had under Belichik. One guy (Ferentz) coached big picture scheme, the other focused more on individual development. If we mirror that setup, and Istvan was Mailata's individual dev guy, I'd feel pretty good about Briggs' chances, or at least wouldn't be against taking such a chance.

Just some random connections my brain made that made me go hmmmmmmmm.



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Nice video, thanks for posting. Personable kid, humble. He’ll get a chance, and I hope he makes the most of it.


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The one thing that is the hardest to define when looking at a draft prospect is;

"How bad does he want it"?

Reading this profile and listening to him. He is the type you bet on. You cannot accomplish what he has done without determination.

I will be watching this guy. I would not be surprised that early in camp Jowon Briggs makes noise.

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I watched his entire presser. Impressive young man.

It’s hard not to be an instant fan.


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Impressive or not, it is still going to be hard to make the room. He has a chance and the team might decide to go with a cheaper option.

If he sticks at all, it's probably more realistic to think practice squad. The practice squad is ok. It's a place to develop a guy who you think has a chance. Those guys make around $9000 a week while on the squad. Enough to prevent them from having to work at Chipotle during the off season and allow them to work on their game, unless they are stupid with their money


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What a likable dude. Can’t help but root for him. 42 reps of 225 is insane. And he’s got to be smart, UVA isn’t a school that accepts dummies just to play ball. Probably why they’re never great. If UC Berkeley or Michigan are the Harvard of public schools, UVA is like the Princeton. My daughter last year got into BC, BU, Colgate and waitlisted at Michigan (eventually accepted) and was a quick rejection from UVA. Anyway, I digress.
Hope it works out for him. 3 kids at 22… sheesh 😵 That’ll put a fire under a guy.




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I agree on UVA on admittance standards. I think they all now allow some variance on athlete's, but they still don't allow a dunce to enter.


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ok, I am officially rooting for this kid to show up big and be a long-term member of the team


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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He has a chance and the team might decide to go with a cheaper option.

in his favor, you don't get much cheaper than a 7th rounder on a rookie deal unless you go UDFA


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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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He won’t be a camp cut unless he implodes, even a seventh-rounder who doesn’t fall on his face all the time gets at least a season, at worst on the PS.


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Originally Posted by lampdogg
He won’t be a camp cut unless he implodes, even a seventh-rounder who doesn’t fall on his face all the time gets at least a season, at worst on the PS.

It's still a crowded room. How many DT's can the team keep? Sometimes it just comes down to numbers. Even if he plays well, it will probably be for the practice squad.

We have several DT's on 1 year contracts. As I said earlier, maybe we go cheaper. Maybe guys get hurt in camp. Hey, maybe he balls out and simply bullies his way on to the team. Another factor against him is Hall. I don't think the team would be all that keen on having 2 rookies at DT one the final roster. That would create an experience gap.

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Originally Posted by lampdogg
Nice video, thanks for posting. Personable kid, humble. He’ll get a chance, and I hope he makes the most of it.

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Not saying it's impossible, but it's hard to fake the type of personality he's putting out there. Definitely rooting for him, and not just because having a deep and talented Dline is a boon to any team.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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Not to be the downer here, but people thought Perrion Winfrey was cool and going to be a great player.

This kid certainly talks way better than Winfrey. That said, he is a 7th rounder. The odds are long. Way long.


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Winfrey ...... lol I’d forgotten him.


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Winfrey ...... lol I’d forgotten him.

Easy person to forget.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Not to be the downer here, but people thought Perrion Winfrey was cool and going to be a great player.

This kid certainly talks way better than Winfrey. That said, he is a 7th rounder. The odds are long. Way long.

Jowon and Winfrey are nothing alike, other than being later round picks. I do agree his odds are long but I thought it was interesting in his presser that he said the way he was asked to play in college and the way the Browns will ask him to play are different. That always makes me wonder if we got a steal because we focused less about what was on tape and more about projection.

At any rate he’ll be an easy guy to root for.


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My only point is Winfrey got a lot of hype, but the guy was an idiot.

I will root for the kid. If he can move one of Harris or Hurst, so be it.

I still think he is bound for the practice squad. A full season with an NFL team gives him a good shot at finding his way towards significant play time next year.


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Winfrey was an idiot coming in. He was an idiot in college. Briggs seems like the exact opposite. We'll see.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
My only point is Winfrey got a lot of hype, but the guy was an idiot.

The Browns blew a 4th round pick on Winfrey in 2022, knowing he wasn't a real smart guy...How does that happen...?

How could Andrew Berry's draft room misjudge so badly on Winfrey?

Briggs is loaded with talent, mentally and physically...but he is raw and needs to molded by the Browns coaching and support staff to develop his talents.




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I think the Browns love drafting boom or bust type players be sis if the value if they boom.


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Originally Posted by mac
The Browns blew a 4th round pick on Winfrey in 2022, knowing he wasn't a real smart guy...How does that happen...?

How could Andrew Berry's draft room misjudge so badly on Winfrey?

Probably much the same way these first round picks were selected by other teams.....

LB Vernon Gholston, Jets (2008, sixth overall pick)

WR Justin Blackmon, Jaguars (2012, fifth overall pick)

RB Lawrence Phillips, Rams (1996, sixth overall pick)

WR Charles Rogers, Lions (2003, second overall pick)

QB Trey Lance, 49ers (2021, third overall pick) We all know how badly the 49'ers suck, right?

QB Ryan Leaf, Chargers (1998, second overall pick)

QB JaMarcus Russell, Raiders (2007, first overall pick)

The fact of the matter is only 8% of fourth round draft picks ever become starters in the NFL...........................

A few years ago I did a 20 year look at exactly how good your chances are of being a solid starter in the NFL, based on your draft round. I just wanted to mention this as we get salty about how bad this or that guy is playing who was taken in the 3rd or 4th round. Odds are not high you will become a difference maker in the NFL... no matter where you're taken.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

Note: this wasn't based on likelihood of making an NFL roster, it was based on subjective factors, like # of seasons or games starting, statistical performance, Pro Bowls, etc. So it wasn't that only 2% of 6th rounders would be role-players, it was that 2% would become solid starters. Lots of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders develop into decent special teamers or fill-in guys. Almost none of them became every week starters, though. I think I didn't include kickers and punters in the calculation, though.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...yer-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/

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Good informative post Pit backed up by solid, honest numbers

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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by mac
The Browns blew a 4th round pick on Winfrey in 2022, knowing he wasn't a real smart guy...How does that happen...?

How could Andrew Berry's draft room misjudge so badly on Winfrey?

Probably much the same way these first round picks were selected by other teams.....

LB Vernon Gholston, Jets (2008, sixth overall pick)

WR Justin Blackmon, Jaguars (2012, fifth overall pick)

RB Lawrence Phillips, Rams (1996, sixth overall pick)

WR Charles Rogers, Lions (2003, second overall pick)

QB Trey Lance, 49ers (2021, third overall pick) We all know how badly the 49'ers suck, right?

QB Ryan Leaf, Chargers (1998, second overall pick)

QB JaMarcus Russell, Raiders (2007, first overall pick)

The fact of the matter is only 8% of fourth round draft picks ever become starters in the NFL...........................

A few years ago I did a 20 year look at exactly how good your chances are of being a solid starter in the NFL, based on your draft round. I just wanted to mention this as we get salty about how bad this or that guy is playing who was taken in the 3rd or 4th round. Odds are not high you will become a difference maker in the NFL... no matter where you're taken.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

Note: this wasn't based on likelihood of making an NFL roster, it was based on subjective factors, like # of seasons or games starting, statistical performance, Pro Bowls, etc. So it wasn't that only 2% of 6th rounders would be role-players, it was that 2% would become solid starters. Lots of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders develop into decent special teamers or fill-in guys. Almost none of them became every week starters, though. I think I didn't include kickers and punters in the calculation, though.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...yer-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/

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Even if kickers and punters were included, so few are drafted it wouldn't skew the numbers much.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by mac
The Browns blew a 4th round pick on Winfrey in 2022, knowing he wasn't a real smart guy...How does that happen...?

How could Andrew Berry's draft room misjudge so badly on Winfrey?

Probably much the same way these first round picks were selected by other teams.....

LB Vernon Gholston, Jets (2008, sixth overall pick)

WR Justin Blackmon, Jaguars (2012, fifth overall pick)

RB Lawrence Phillips, Rams (1996, sixth overall pick)

WR Charles Rogers, Lions (2003, second overall pick)

QB Trey Lance, 49ers (2021, third overall pick) We all know how badly the 49'ers suck, right?

QB Ryan Leaf, Chargers (1998, second overall pick)

QB JaMarcus Russell, Raiders (2007, first overall pick)

The fact of the matter is only 8% of fourth round draft picks ever become starters in the NFL...........................

A few years ago I did a 20 year look at exactly how good your chances are of being a solid starter in the NFL, based on your draft round. I just wanted to mention this as we get salty about how bad this or that guy is playing who was taken in the 3rd or 4th round. Odds are not high you will become a difference maker in the NFL... no matter where you're taken.

1st round - about 50% of players drafted in the 1st round developed into solid NFL starters.

2nd round - about 33% of players drafted in the 2nd round developed into solid NFL starter. From here, it dropped by 50% per round.

3rd round - about 16%.

4th round - about 8%.

5th round - about 4-5%.

6th round - about 2%.

7th round - about 1-2%.

Note: this wasn't based on likelihood of making an NFL roster, it was based on subjective factors, like # of seasons or games starting, statistical performance, Pro Bowls, etc. So it wasn't that only 2% of 6th rounders would be role-players, it was that 2% would become solid starters. Lots of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders develop into decent special teamers or fill-in guys. Almost none of them became every week starters, though. I think I didn't include kickers and punters in the calculation, though.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland...yer-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/

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You could pretty much fill a whole roster with just the 1st round busts we've had rolleyes

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You could pretty much fill a whole roster with just the 1st round busts we've had rolleyes

Probably so.

We focus on our team. I'd bet other teams are in the same boat. All teams have their share of draft black eyes.


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Originally Posted by Ballpeen
He has a chance and the team might decide to go with a cheaper option.

in his favor, you don't get much cheaper than a 7th rounder on a rookie deal unless you go UDFA

Just to clarify if I didn't make my point a few posts later, but by going cheaper, I was talking about the team wanting to go cheaper at the position, not going cheaper than Briggs.

Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I can see how that might have been confusing.


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