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Yes I addressed it and then ask you simpler question in the same post you never addressed. Scroll up bro. Not surprised you missed it.

Anyways at the time the Ten Commandments where written, Christ and Christianity came later, much later. 1200 years or so.. So no they weren’t centered around Christianity. They were centered around Hebrew and Israelites, Judaism.

So then do you or do you not believe these four commandments are "good rules to live by" or are they nothing more than religious doctrine?

“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”

“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.”

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.”

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.”

No matter which religion, no matter who you claim these commandments are "intended for" they were chosen to be placed in the Christian Bible and included in Christian teachings, being preached in Christian churches as the word and rule handed out to them by the God.

So once again, do you believe those first four commandments are not based solely in religion and are something we should teach children that are "good rules to live by"?

You see I don't care if people believe these things. I don't care if they choose to raise their children to believe these things. But to claim that every child in society should have these four, which are certainly religious teachings, be forced to have this posted in their schools.

All religions have sabbath days and demand devotion to god. And using Gods name in vain is swearing and people get offended.

Yes good rules to live by.

So your claim of they were not based on religious teaching no longer applies. Got it.

Stop now. I never claimed that.

I’m claiming the Ten Commandments is a religious teaching that actually transcends all religions. Posting these rules in public schools shows inclusion for everyone.

Sorry I need to ask you this, I think you know I’m not the god fearing type but, do you actually claim the term “God” to mean just the Christian god? Because the term “God” to me would be everyone’s God.

BTW you still haven’t answered the one simple question I asked. Why is it bad to post them in Public schools?

I take it to be the meaning implied as the Christian God since this comes from the Christian Bible. I not only think that's what Christians mean by it but what they believe and teach as well. All christian beliefs and teachings are based on the teachings of Jesus. It s also taught that Jesus is the son of the God in their Bible who sent Jesus here to earth to teach us Christianity. That it was so important to God for this to happen that he was willing to give the life of his only begotten sun to make it so.

I think that's a pretty clear story line there.

Bad isn't the same as wrong. Religious teachings of any kind by any religion is wrong in our public schools. Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion. We are watching a trend where the Christian right has already began dictating what children can and can not read according to "their moral values" by banning books. What parts of history can be taught and can't be taught because of their desire to whitewash the history of "their christian nation". That schools can no longer teach inclusion or acceptance of the LGBTQ community.

This is just another on their list of things to help force their christian beliefs and values into our schools. At what point do people realize what's going on here and stand up to say enough is enough?

Youre lying to yourself then. The Hebrew bible is not the Christian bible.

Pretty clear as mud since many of these biblical stories get pretty outlandish. Anyways the Christian God isn’t the only God people in this world pray to. So Christians don’t have soul propriety of the term. JMHO

He had me right up to the sun part.

Hindus have no Sabbath. They have multiple gods. Not all religions are monotheistic. Not all religions have gods at all (Buddhism.)

Sole propriety of the term, no. Soul propriety on the teaching from their book that God is the father of Jesus which is the foundation of Christianity, yes.

I suppose if one wishes to disregard the very context of the Christian bible as a whole and focus solely on the term God within it, you make a valid point. But no other religion teaches the same story as the christian bible which focuses on god being the father of Christianity. For some reason to me the context matters and is the explicit reason it was chosen to be posted in schools. It represents a specific teaching of God which supports nothing other than Christian teachings rather than a common belief in God or a superior being.

I'm sorry you are unable to follow a basic story line. Both the new and old testament are contained in the christian bible. For some reason you are finding that confusing.

You'll have to clarify what you mean by "Hebrew bible." The Christian Bible can be and is written in Hebrew. It also can be written in English or any other language. If you're referring to the Tanahk, yes, that is the holy "book" used in Judaism. The Torah, the first of the three sections of the Tanahk, shares a lot with the Christian Old Testament. The two religions shared an origin. They diverged around the time of Jesus.

Yes, there are some denominations of Christianity that only follow the New Testament. The majority of Christianity globally use both the Old and New Testaments. Trust me, old school, fire and brimstone Old Testament believers still exist in the US. I've been dragged along to a bunch of that kind of church.

You could say the same thing about Judeism or Islam. Both of those religions worship the same God and the Old Testiment. The 10 Commandments were created by Allah aka Yahwey aka God. The 10 Commandments dont belong to any one religion.

You could say the same thing if the overriding message of their book taught that God is the father of Jesus who sent Christ his son here to earth in order to teach us Christianity to save is all from eternal damnation and save our souls. But if you wish to ignore all of that, fine. Nowhere do they claim that God is the father of Christianity. I guess if you're saying that up to a certain point they told the same story before having two totally different messages I can see what you're saying. But the only book they used to post the ten commandments from is the one that claims God ordained that his son teach the earth Christianity. I know you seem not to think there was a reason for that.

The point it, Christians dont get to claim the 10 Commandments as their own, no matter how you twist it. The 10 Commandments are worshipped by multiple religions. To say otherwise is pure ignorance.

I'm not sure you get a say in what "Christians" claim. They may have contested rights on the claim, but they sure seem to make it. They'll say what they will say regardless of what anyone else thinks. Worshipped is likely the wrong word or maybe not, but I don't think that was your intention (worshipping the rules rather than the God could be a thing.) Worshipping a graven image would be a violation of a commandment.

It is somewhat funny to me that "Christians" want the old covenant posted rather than the newer one which supercedes (not abolishes) it.

...I wonder how much work on the bill that was passed was done on Sundays....

The only Christian claiming to own the 10 commandments is pit. Other people are smarter than that.

I'm not going to say that you underestimate Pit, but you might overestimate other alleged "Christians" as hard as it may be to believe that other people similar to him continue to exist.

Claiming that any religious text of any kind be posted in all classrooms in any state is pure ignorance.

As it is written on these posters in Louisiaia it comes directly from the christian bible. Included in the same religious book it claims God is the father of Christ which he sent here to earth to teach Christianity. I know you love leaving out context which you seem to claim means nothing.

Did you mean people that believe religious teachings should not be posted or taught in schools?

How do you know the Commandments were initially intended as religious teachings?

God literally means “Our Father”. The commandments could have been passed through family to family in ancient times. Seems like good rules to live by.

Yes, and frogs could sprout wings. The bible is religious text.

...Requiring your kids to worship you sounds like a narcissist's dream.