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It is a pretty solid roster, for sure, but I don't share the same opinion of the backup QBs, nor do I think much of our WRs. The backup QBs are acceptable; I wouldn't really say they're "quality", but we've also probably had worse. In the end, Watson needs to ball out like the Watson we paid for.
WR's: we still don't have much more than Cooper; everything after him is a question mark, I think. Lots of hope and projection, but not much actual production by any of them thus far.
RB: it all depends on Nick Chubb and just how well he can return to form. Everyone that isn't Nick Chubb, well... ain't Nick Chubb, and the results will reflect that.


It is the back end of June, rolling into July and with training camp is a mere six or eight weeks away Hope Springs Anew and excitement commonly overrides reason.

Huntley is terrible. That was a dumb signing.

Winston can easily go on a Joe Flacco like run. He’s a borderline starter in the league easy.

Also, the team doesn’t need to be stacked at WR because of Njoku.

This roster is easily the best since the return, and I agree with bone the best since 1987.

In 2 of Winston's past three seasons he has thrown for under 60%. Last year it was 53.2%. There was certainly a time when he was starter material. There was certainly a time he was borderline starter material. I think that time has passed.

I agree. The biggest question is Chubb. How will bene be when he returns, and when he returns?

I agree on injuries. Some are bound to happen. You just don't know who is going to get dinged, and for how long. Just a few games or the whole season??

Just a wild thought on York. Dhop has a history of pulling muscles while covering kicks. With the new rules with the kicker starting well back from the other players on kick cover, no doubt the kicker will act as safety. Be it slim, I think we just might keep York on the active to be the kick off guy and Hopkins goes in on point tries.

I think we will see more "starters" playing special teams making it possible to go with one less bottom of the roster guy who has been kept in the past to play special teams.

What if we have Hopkins kicking FGs and use York as the kickoff guy? He can boom it and be used as cannon fodder on the kickoffs in those last-man-back situations.

I just said that. I agree.

Perhaps, if the team thinks there is an edge to doing that but two kickers means another ST/depth spot is lost as a result.

2024 NFL defensive line rankings: New York Jets take the top spot

5. CLEVELAND BROWNS
The Browns did the work to put help around Myles Garrett last offseason and will expect that group to cook again in 2024. Garrett rightfully won Defensive Player of the Year with a better supporting cast, and the likes of Za’Darius Smith and Dalvin Tomlinson were difference-makers to a defensive line that didn’t have nearly enough juice before they arrived.

Depth for this group is also solid, and their ceiling is even higher if some of the rotational young players can make an impact.


https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2024-defensive-line-rankings-new-york-jets

"The Jets lost these guys, and need other guys to step forward, but they are the best!"

I don't get PFF some times.

Lol, sorry Peen I should have read your post closely instead of skimming it. Love your idea!

I just wanted to add that some of us have no expectations either way about DW. Some feel they simply haven't seen enough from him over the past three seasons to make an educated guess on what we will or won't see either way and are waiting to watch him play to determine what we see. I don't want you to take that as me saying everyone should see this that same way. I just wanted to point out that there's a third option you didn't mention as it pertains to expectations of DW.

Some don’t like DW and never will and are just waiting for him to FLOP another season so we can move on. If he plays at an elite level this year, that might temper my disgust with the Browns bringing him in… If Baker goes back to the playoffs and we don’t, screw the Browns. We had a franchise QB and traded for a spoiled ham sandwich.

Some separate the player from the person. No matter how he plays it won't change the things he's done which is exactly who he is. My personal opinion of him in no way impacts how I view his performance as a player. And from my viewpoint the Browns have blown every opportunity they have had at drafting or signing a major investment at the QB position to one extent or another. Baker IMO isn't a bad QB. But in the grand scheme of things I understand why a FO would take a swing to sign a QB at the next level. Whether they made a mistake by signing DW in making that attempt remains to be seen.

I get that, but what performance? When he’s been on the field at anytime here with the Browns, did he ever give you the “that’s the guy” feelz? Not me.

I agree with Pit on this. I've pretty much said the same thing. Between the suspension and the injuries, the past 2 seasons we really haven't seen what he can do. We've had some glimpses but that's it. Noone really knows what will happen these next 3 years. Right now we all have our opinions and that's fine. what will happen remains to be seen. Hopefully DW plays like a top QB and we are legit SB contenders.

Fans can debate whether the glass is half full or empty regarding Watson.

In the end, I respect your argument well said.

I agree. It's been a long time since I had pictures of Browns players on my bedroom wall. I don't think posters were available back then. I root for the team. I don't root for individual players to the point it supersedes the team.

Sure, I have liked some players more than others, but it has long been since it was my focus.

J/C

a few of my thoughts over the past few weeks:

- The OT spot is interesting. I could see us trading Conklin

- We need our OGs to hold up for one more season. Obviously Zinter is in our future plans

- The LB corps outside of JOK need to be better (We'll miss Taki IMO)

- I'm really hoping the torching in Houston wasn't indicative of things to come for our D

LT is our biggest weakness.....Chubb returns early and strong....GO Browns!!!

I understand it but not sure I buy into it. The old saying "you are what you are until you're not" is the WHY there is an 8.5 win prediction as it pertains to DW's performance at QB to this point in time since he's been in Cleveland.

But he was performing much better right before his injury so it's hard for me to buy into the prediction that 8.5 wins will will be the result.

Nor do I unless he plays like he did prior to his last two starts. In which case we would be. But I don't see that happening.

So let me see if I get this straight. You put zero faith in any predictions the media makes concerning teams season records but put faith in their preseason rankings of teams personnel?

In both cases not so much as a down has been played and with all of the player turnover every year nobody really knows how these units will function collectively. This is no less a prediction than season records.

You do realize that it would be just as easy to look at it the other way around. Not saying which would be correct. But one could just as easily say they find it curious a team only supposed to win 8.5 games has their units ranked so high.

The only thing I can think of why we are predicted to win 8.5 games is the difficulty of our schedule. This is arguably the most talented Browns roster since I've been a fan (1967). Many of our games this year could be very close and could go either way. I can see us winning 11-12 games, but I can also see us losing 8-9. Health as always will be a big factor as well as how well DW will play.

Bone, as always I admire your optimism.

I can understand the 8.5 guess as we have no idea what we have at QB...Cooper is holding out (at the moment) and is our only proven commodity at WR...Chubb may or may not return to form (although if anyone CAN it's him)...we are re-vamping the offense (again) to match the skills of our unknown QB commodity...and the last time our vaunted defense was on the field they got smoked.

Shoot...I'm happy the O/U is that low as it may keep some from getting the big head.