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Supreme Court rejects Steve Bannon’s attempt to avoid prison

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/28/politics/steve-bannon-supreme-court/index.html


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Originally Posted by FrankZ
Twist yourself. SCOTUS removed an invalid rule that illegally redefined bump stocks to create a criminal situation.

and by doing so revered them from being illegal to legal again.

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You go on to mention states where they are illegal. This is a different situation all together SCOTUS ruled on an administrative move by the ATF. What SCOTUS did not do was rule on bump stocks from a 2A point of view.

Make up your mind. Earlier you made this claim......

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Federal rule becomes state law.

Either now the ban is no longer in effect which you stated were the very grounds these state laws came into effect or it remains in effect. Now you say that the rule has nothing to do with these state laws. Dear God man.

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BTW you took my quote out of context, not surprisingly. My quote reference the discussion had been about federal issue and you suddenly moved the goalposts to argue about state issues. More of your stupid games.

You never said a single word about "federal law" until this very moment. You said there was no law or statutes on the books making this a crime. There most certainly were. But in an earlier post today I predicted you would try to use that as excuse to worm your way out of what you've been claiming all along.......

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Now let me guess, you'll try to weasel out of that by saying it wasn't a federal law? That won't work.

And just like magic, there it is.


Continue to twist things, it really is all you have. I can just defalt to reminding you, once again, bump stocks aren't machine guns.

The SCOTUS ruling was about a federal rule. This is what you continued to whine about, which implied the federal rule. Suddenly you decide to paste in states where bump stocks are illegal. That is a different kettle of fish, but you know that. It is your vain attempt to try and win an argument that you were slaughtered in.

BTW.. bump stocks are still not machine guns.

Federally if you violated the ATF rule that was invalidated you would be charged with violation of 18 U.S.C. 922(o), transfer or possession of a machine gun. That is because the the redefection of machine gun was in an administrative rule.

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The AFT ban caused laws to be written in several cities and states which made those bump stocks illegal. You even said so yourself....

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Federal rule becomes state law.

The SCOTUS overturned the ruling of the ATF which now makes bump stocks legal again where they were illegal before. Which is is what I've said all along which you have denied the entire time.

You're retreating back to whether the ATF was right or wrong in their ban and how a bump stock isn't a machine gun. None of which changes that there were laws on the books making bump stocks illegal before that SCOTUS ruling which will now make bump stocks legal again.

But keep denying what you've been saying. Keep trying to dance around all of that. This SCOTUS ruling accomplishes exactly what I said it would.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
The AFT ban caused laws to be written in several cities and states which made those bump stocks illegal. You even said so yourself....

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Federal rule becomes state law.

The SCOTUS overturned the ruling of the ATF which now makes bump stocks legal again where they were illegal before. Which is is what I've said all along which you have denied the entire time.

You're retreating back to whether the ATF was right or wrong in their ban and how a bump stock isn't a machine gun. None of which changes that there were laws on the books making bump stocks illegal before that SCOTUS ruling which will now make bump stocks legal again.

But keep denying what you've been saying. Keep trying to dance around all of that. This SCOTUS ruling accomplishes exactly what I said it would.

And for the third, and final time, I have said you took this out of context. YOU were talking about a SCOTUS ruling which is only about a federal rules and suddenly wanted to make it about state laws.

Is this clear enough for you?

Play little child games, it really is all you have when adult conversation happens.

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I said the SCOTUS ruling made bump stocks that were illegal, legal again. Going back in time and creating a context you never claimed until now isn't what you think it is.

What's clear to me is your backtracking in an attempt to try to create some false context after the fact which you never claimed before.. That ruling by the SCOTUS eliminates the very principal those state laws were predicated on and you still can't seem to get that.

You said no such law existed. You made no attempt to claim or clarify in any way, shape or form in regards to federal or state. I even pointed out in the headline I posted how you can say it wasn't a crime when it stated plainly it was, how you could be sentenced to prison for it if it wasn't a crime and you still didn't get it. Now in some alternative universe you act like none of that ever happened and pointing that out is someone's fault other than you own.

that's clear enough to everybody.


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Originally Posted by PitDAWG
I said the SCOTUS ruling made bump stocks that were illegal, legal again. Going back in time and creating a context you never claimed until now isn't what you think it is.

What's clear to me is your backtracking in an attempt to try to create some false context after the fact which you never claimed before.. That ruling by the SCOTUS eliminates the very principal those state laws were predicated on and you still can't seem to get that.

You said no such law existed. You made no attempt to claim or clarify in any way, shape or form in regards to federal or state. I even pointed out in the headline I posted how you can say it wasn't a crime when it stated plainly it was, how you could be sentenced to prison for it if it wasn't a crime and you still didn't get it. Now in some alternative universe you act like none of that ever happened and pointing that out is someone's fault other than you own.

that's clear enough to everybody.


I have been very clear on my stand. You run around in circles looking for "ooooo gotcha"

Bump stocks were not machine guns, the ATF said they were, they were spanked. This is at a Federal level. That is all SCOTUS ruled on. Any premises beyond that was outside the scope of that ruling. SCOTUS was silent on anything else. Are you understanding this at this point?

State laws may, or may not, have been based on a federal definition of machine gun. In MD for instance, they are NOT based on that. Machine guns ARE LEGAL in MD. Bump stocks are not. SCOTUS ruling, again, has nothing to do with this. Do you understand this point?

If a state was lazy and based a ban on the ATF rule their law would have been invalidated as the rule was invalidated. Do you understand this point?

There are many different topics in this, the original was Cargill. That had NOTHING to do with states. SCOTUS did not rule on the constitutionality of bump stocks, they ruled on the procedure that the ATF used. In essence they took the rule and invalidated it, meaning it does not exist anymore. They restored the definition of machine gun to the status quo, they did not merely "make something illegal legal" as you posit. It should never been included in a definition., and now it isn't. Bump stocks are not machine guns.

I have said it about a billion times. There is no back tracking, there is only the noise in your head that you need professional help calming. Go get it.

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