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Man, I haven't seen that much untrue hyperbole and superlative usage since...well...last night.

Twins separated at birth is my guess.

I actually just got back from 2+ weeks in Europe. I am beginning to wonder if I should have stayed there and started anew. I laughed at something I saw on social media this morning which said the only winner of last night's debate was the voyager spacecraft that is flying away from earth thousands of miles per day.

Not true. The winners were Trump and the people who support Trump. The losers were people who don’t support Trump. Just because our guy took the DNC to the woodshed doesn’t mean that you can use a misguided philosophical rationale and expect people to agree with it.

Bari Weiss: They Knew

Rarely are so many lies dispelled in a single moment. Rarely are so many people exposed as liars and sycophants. Last night’s debate was a watershed on both counts.
The debate was not just a catastrophe for President Biden. And boy—oy—was it ever.

But it was more than that. It was a catastrophe for an entire class of experts, journalists, and pundits, who have, since 2020, insisted that Biden was sharp as a tack, on top of his game, basically doing handstands while peppering his staff with tough questions about care for migrant children and aid to Ukraine.

Anyone who committed the sin of using their own eyes on the 46th president was accused, variously, of being Trumpers; MAGA cult members who don’t want American democracy to survive; ageists; or just dummies easily duped by “disinformation,” “misinformation,” “fake news,” and, most recently, “cheapfakes.”

Cast your mind back to February, when Robert Hur, the special counsel appointed by the Department of Justice to look into Biden’s handling of classified documents, came out with his report that included details about Biden’s health, which explained why he would not prosecute the president.

“We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” Hur wrote. “It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”
Can anyone doubt that characterization after watching Biden’s debate performance?

Yet Eric Holder told us that Hur’s remarks were “gratuitous.” The former attorney general tweeted: “Had this report been subject to a normal DOJ review these remarks would undoubtedly have been excised.” Dan Pfeiffer, a former Obama adviser, said Hur’s report was a “partisan hit job.” Vice President Kamala Harris argued: “The way that the president’s demeanor in that report was characterized could not be more wrong on the facts, and clearly politically motivated, gratuitous.” The report does not “live in reality,” said White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, stressing that the president was “sharp” and “on top of things.”

Shall I go on? Okay.

Here was The New York Times last week in an extensive piece headlined: “How Misleading Videos Are Trailing Biden as He Battles Age Doubts.” The story went on to attempt to convince readers that “there is the distorted, online version” of Biden, which is merely “a product of often misleading videos that play into and reinforce voters’ longstanding concerns about his age and abilities.”
With forensic detail, three Times reporters compared these videos from various angles. “Some of the videos of Mr. Biden circulating during this year’s campaign are clearly manipulated to make him look old and confused,” they wrote, pulling clips that were meant to debunk the idea that he was either. Watch them. See for yourself.

When The Wall Street Journal earlier this month came out with a story for which reporters had interviewed 45 people, soberly laying out concerns about Biden’s age, it was trashed as an “egregious hit job.” Some people called for it to be retracted.

“Congressional Republicans, foreign leaders, and nonpartisan national-security experts have made clear in their own words that President Biden is a savvy and effective leader who has a deep record of legislative accomplishment,” White House spokesman Andrew Bates told the WSJ. “Now, in 2024, House Republicans are making false claims as a political tactic that flatly contradict previous statements made by themselves and their colleagues.”

And even in the midst of last night’s dumpster fire, some stalwarts, like the Japanese soldiers who hadn’t realized they’d already lost the war, tried to spin it.

“Biden has a cold,” a source close to the president told Axios during the debate. Right, that was the trouble. A lack of Tylenol.

On MSNBC, Joy-Ann Reid suggested that the issue was that he was on the right-hand side of the screen. Yes. That was definitely the problem.

I never understood these reactions. For me, it always seemed easy enough to say: Biden’s 81. He’s fading. Most 81-year-olds do. But it seemed fair to still argue that a faded Biden is better than an all-there Trump.
As Bill Maher has put it: “I’d vote for Biden’s head in a jar of blue liquid versus Trump.” Or as Sam Harris has said: “Hunter Biden could literally have had the corpses of children in his basement, and I would not have cared.”
You may disagree with the conclusion, but it’s a coherent argument. It’s not an argument that relies on the denial of reality.

“Telling people they didn't see what they saw is not the way to respond to this.” That was Democratic operative Ben Rhodes’ reaction last night to the debate. The trouble is that’s precisely what the strategy has been for many, many months.

There were notable exceptions. Ezra Klein published a huge piece in The New York Times in February making the case that Biden should step down for the good of the country. James Carville’s been telling the truth, too.
When Rep. Dean Phillips entered the Democratic presidential primary last year, his entire campaign was based on the observation that Biden was too old for the job. I reached Phillips via text and asked him if he wanted to comment, in light of the debate, on how the Democratic establishment had treated him given that he had the guts to say the quiet part out loud. “Gandhi said to speak only when it improves upon the silence,” he texted back.

But last night, many of the very people who say they are shocked—shocked!—by Biden’s showing were exactly the people who were covering for him.

Here was Ed Krassenstein reacting to a video of Joe Biden tripping up the stairs in October of 2023: “Once again, people are pretending to be frightened over the fact that Joe Biden stumbled going up stairs at age 80. I literally stumble going up the stairs at least twice a week. I even fell down my spiral staircase a couple weeks ago. I’m 41 years old, workout daily, and actually use the stair-stepper at the gym 5 days a week. Should I be concerned?”
Here was Krassenstein last night: “Joe Biden has trouble speaking.

Here was MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow in early February saying Biden is fit for the presidency because he can ride a bike.

Here was Maddow last night, admitting Biden had a “weak” voice and “halting delivery.”

Here was The View co-host Ana Navarro-Cárdenas in September of last year: “Joe Biden is old, but he ain’t dying any time soon. I don’t know if you guys saw him this weekend. He was at the G20. One moment I turned on the TV, he was in India, and then I turned on the TV, he was in Vietnam. Then I turned on the TV, he was giving a press conference, and then at the end of being up for, like, 24 hours working in a completely different part of the world, he said, ‘You know what? I got to go to bedʼ while Republicans were all pouncing on the fact that the man who had been up for 38 hours had to—I had to go to bed just watching him on TV.”

Here was Navarro-Cárdenas’s reaction to Biden’s post-debate speech, where he appeared to be slightly more coherent: “Where the hell was this Joe Biden?”

Those around the president—Jill Biden, certainly, but also all those savvy staffers—should have encouraged Biden to bow out gracefully after his first term. Because what happened last night was heartbreaking. It debased Biden as a man. It was also alarming—the person we saw onstage is our commander in chief. He holds the nuclear football. It wasn’t just Americans who watched his performance last night.

The Democrats talk a lot about “saving democracy.” But if you truly believe democracy is on the line in a race against Trump, the solution is as straightforward as it was before the debate clock started last night on CNN: Replace Biden. The Democratic Convention doesn’t begin until August 19. Biden still has time to pull an LBJ.

As for the rest of us? Tonight was like a flash going off. So much—and so many—revealed.

https://www.thefp.com/p/bari-weiss-president-biden-debate-june-27

I'm an ANTI- TRUMP guy forever......however after the debate I can't vote for Biden.....I had NO IDEA he was that broken. SAD. I truly believe a third party person could win. Damn, the Demorats have got to bench Biden. Neither one of those idiots. One is a criminal, the other should ride off into the sunset.

And Muni is happy his criminal with 34 convictions and over 50 counts pending who sexually assaulted a woman and cheated on all three of his wives won the debate. You couldn't make this BS up if you tried.

Aviator sunglasses?

Trump must not win....but, Biden couldn't finish a sentence- JMHO, he probably has most of his mental capacity in tack, however he couldn't finish sentences.....and the thin hair on his skull made him look even more feeble. He must bow out. Kennedy can't win, nor Trump, nor Biden---hell, ? MUST be drafted. HELP.

The libtards are a clown show. It was OBVIOUS to anyone and everyone who watched video of Biden in the last 3 years that he has severe cognitive issues. But the libtard media and white house have tried desperately to hide it. And the libtard masses swallowed their lies. Well it came out last night for everyone to see. What a clown show. And if they roll with that guy, Trump will coast to a victory. Can't make this stuff up.

screw it.

put me in, coach!

Who, what, where, when, why, and how? Support your boss for political gain. Trump is a criminal masking as a businessman and politician. He's a "billionaire" who begs for money constantly and his art of the deal best parts are don't pay people when they finish the their work and cheat on taxes, sq ft, and anything else you can get away with.....Eve, has he grabbed your privates yet. Our two choices are a senile old politician and a criminal old guy not fit for office----ain't we great.

The more I think about it, Jon Stewart was correct.

That happens more often than many would like to admit.

Not true. You have 5 choices.

You can vote for senile Joe and his incompetent vp.

You can vote for an independent (should one be on the ballot)

You can write in your choice.

You can simply not vote at all.

Or, you can vote for Trump. - A billionaire who rocks supermodels on both arms, has highly successful children, and did the following during his first term:

He built the world’s most prosperous economy.

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.

Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.
Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
Hit record stock market numbers and record 401ks.

The DOW closed above 20,000 for the first time in 2017 and topped 30,000 in 2020.
The S&P 500 and NASDAQ have repeatedly notched record highs.

Strengthened America’s rural economy by investing over $1.3 billion through the Agriculture Department’s ReConnect Program to bring high-speed broadband infrastructure to rural America.


Americans now have more money in their pockets.

Deregulation had an especially beneficial impact on low-income Americans who pay a much higher share of their incomes for overregulation.
Cut red tape in the healthcare industry, providing Americans with more affordable healthcare and saving Americans nearly 10 percent on prescription drugs.
Deregulatory efforts yielded savings to the medical community an estimated $6.6 billion – with a reduction of 42 million hours of regulatory compliance work through 2021.
Removed government barriers to personal freedom and consumer choice in healthcare.


There’s more but I think you get the point. Choose wisely in November.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov

Your delusions know no bounds.

Still believing everything you're being spoon fed by a man that lied 30 times in the debate alone last night I see.

The height of irony

Indeed, it is.

So you think I'm going around here claiming Biden won the debate?

You and your cronies can try again Weedhopper.

Which other person lied in the debate 30 times?

No I am sayin the original panicbot who regurgitates the sppon fed propaganda ad nauseum is trying to tell someone else they are panicking and regurgitating propaganda and it is ironic.

Keep up.

Can Biden lie if he doesn't even know what he is saying?

Looks like I'm voting for Nick Chubb again.

The panicbot? You mean a typical trumpian? No, I'm certainly not that.

I'm sorry that factual information like he was found liable for sexual assault, has been convicted on 34 felony counts with more than 50 still pending, or that his business was fined for over 350 million dollars, how his charity was so crooked it was shut down, how he paid off a porn star, how he cheated on all three of his wives and the only way you can tell he is lying is when his lips are moving is what you label propaganda. It's not my fault that the facts are not your friend. But that seems like rather standard procedure for you and a few others lately.

I'm not at all sure how it would go, but damn, to watch her, debate trump would be fun. I think she's got the chops to call him out for his lies.

...Would Neil deGrasse Tyson run on a funding NASA platform?

Nah. Kamela would come up with something like"I think that's false, because a false statement is false. We can't have false statements. CACKLE CACKLE. Right?"

And then the moderator would say "Kamela, you were asked if you were for abortion."

"Well, a false abortion is for the community, and we live in a community, right? So, a false abortion for the community is not good for the community."

Kamala Harris is a embarrassment to her party.
Everything is a gigglefest when she speaks
She was put in charge of the border essentially
And look how that turned out.
She is a joke to the rest of the civilized world
This nation was in better hands when Trump
Was President. The world wasn't dealing
With major campaigns when he was President
Families were in better shape financially under him.

I'm surprised Trump didn't bring up Biden
Putting the kabosh on oil drilling when he took over
I thought Trump went to the immigration crisis well
Too much.
Very telling when Donald said " I wouldn't have
To be here if you were doing a great job"

Dude... don't do that again, now I have an ear worm with that cackle...

She speaks like she's a guest on Sesame Street. And she's trying to have a convo with Elmo.

Here you go. Justify this:

The foundation of American Democracy is the peaceful transfer of power.

Trump failed his "Oath of Office."

The House of Representatives of the 117th U.S. Congress adopted one article of impeachment against Trump of "incitement of insurrection", stating that he had incited the January 6 attack of the U.S. Capitol. His second impeachment.

What former president owes millions of dollars for defamation and sexual assault? trump

A jury awarded $83.3 million to E. Jean Carroll on Friday in a stinging and expensive rebuke to former President Donald Trump for his continued social media attacks against the longtime advice columnist over her claims that he sexually assaulted her in a Manhattan department store.

The award, coupled with a $5 million sexual assault and defamation verdict last year from another jury in a case brought by Carroll, raised to $88.3 million what Trump must pay her.

What former president was found liable for fraud?

Judge orders Donald Trump and his companies to pay $355 million. The judge found they engaged in a years-long scheme to dupe banks and others with financial statements that inflated his wealth.

On May 30, history was made as a New York jury found former President Donald J. Trump guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. This marked the first time a former U.S. president has been criminally convicted.

Instead of what you swallow hook line and sinker from your bs sources.

So you're saying she would act like trump in debates? Talk about everything but the actual question?

Have you decided whether you would prefer to die by shark or electrocution? Your Elmo has and he keeps talking about it at his rallies. Does it take you ten times to flush your toilet? Your Elmo says it does. Does it take you 45 minutes to rinse off in the shower? It takes your Elmo that long.

It's hilarious that the Dems who blindly supported
Biden that's more alarming than Biden being unfit to br
The President. What did Obi Wan Kenobi
Say. "Who's the bigger fool . The fool or the fool
That follows the fool"
Trump achieved more in office than Biden ever has.
He helped keep the workd at peace and people
Had more money in their pockets
I could care less what how he kept time
With a adult movie star bimbo. Could care less
How much money he gave her.
What he did what is really different that what several
Democratic President's did in the last 60 years
Yet Trumo goes to trial for it.

Care less about 34 felony convictions? Care less he was found liable for sexual assault? It sure seems like it.

😂 34 felony convictions in third world NYC that have amounted to about 20 million more supporters - and nothing else. How’s nyc doing btw? Stupid unqualified Alvin Bragg letting third world thugs and illegals terrorize the hard working taxpayers. Stupid unqualified, and now unemployed Jamal bowman supporting Palestinian terrorists - how’d that work out for him?

😂 Trump has now earned the support of the marginalized groups in NYC and other cities across the country because of the lawlessness that has come at the hands of stupid woke politicians.

I love it.

Spreading and repeating his lies only make you look like you have abandoned the very Christianity you claim to be so proud of.

Alvin Bragg didn't find him guilty no matter how much BS they conned you into believing. It was a jury if twelve people who heard all of the evidence that found him guilty. You on the other hand only listen to trump's BS and spread it like an STD.

And violent crime in New York City is down. But I'm sure the news sources you watch would never tell you that.................

NYC crime stats: April

According to NYPD statistics, overall April crime was down in the Big Apple by 4.9% compared to the same month last year.

Crime year-to-date is trending downward in 2024: From Jan. 1, 2024, to April 28, 2024, the NYPD reported 37.8K major crimes (murder, rape, robbery, felony assault, burglary, grand larceny and grand larceny auto). In that same period in 2023, the agency logged approximately 39K major crimes.

Murders were down 30.3%, with 23 this month compared to 33 in April 2023. Burglaries also saw a double-digit percentage point decrease, with 1,003 reported this month compared to 1,122 in April 2023. Shooting incidents dipped by 15.5%.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/nyc-crime-rates-stats-numbers-spring-2024

There are some crimes that increased but overall the crime rate is down in New York City. You're welcome.

Do you understand why he paid Stormy?

I will answer.

Because if that would have been made public he most likely would have lost the election.

You see voters care when a liar withholds information that benefits him by keeping the voter in the dark about his actions.

How about the fools who continue to believe a liar after it has been proven he has told lies?

Keep believing a guy who could not tell the truth if it were tattooed on his forehead.