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Perfect is right, nobody knows who MADE UP the bible. Cavemen in caves…

The Bible is religious text. But no one has proof of its religious content. Based on fictitious characters. Outlandish stories of flooding the entire earth, parting seas, immaculate conception, and such. All unproven and it’s gospel now? Pfft religion. Weakness in humans, some need religion to forgive themselves, some need it to control others.

I will say some of the text I find to be quite confusing and sometimes contradictory.

The Bible tells us the story of Adam and Eve. The two human beings god created that began mankind. For this to be true that means that the human race was begotten from incest. The story tells us that Adam and eve were the only two humans God created so the rest of earths population started out with their children. Then according to the bible that entire process started all over again when Noah and his family were the only people saved from the flood.

The bible then goes on as soon as the next few books saying how incest is prohibited. And none of that explains how we have people of different colors.

I always thought the Adam and Eve story was simply a way for God to teach humans a lesson: watch your 6, you can’t trust everybody you interact with.

I always thought the morality lessons in the Bible were pretty dope. The issue becomes Christian’s taking good lessons in morality and trying to convince people to take everything in the Bible literally.

And that's the part I find so confusing. Parts of the Bible are simply parables and some parts are literal. The problem becomes that often times it's hard to tell which is which. And you can never get people to agree on which is which.

All the stories in the Bible are folk lore. Stories from the word of mouth passed down through ancient generations and put in a modern text. Like any other story they grow more and more outlandish as the stories age and became religious in nature. That’s when the trouble begins, when religious crusaders wage wars to prove themselves as the chosen ones over others

That's your belief and many share your beliefs. I think everyone has a right to their own beliefs. Yet at the same time from polls I've seen between 62% and 68% of Americans identify as Christian. That doesn't make one side right or one side wrong. Your post does however exemplify why no religion should be able to force all children to be taught from the bible.

The Ten Commandments are good lessons. Your claim that they are religious in nature are unproven just because they were put in a Bible of your beliefs.

I’m with you though. When one religion claims the term “God” and is the only true religion for everyone on earth. Those teachings need to go away altogether and not just in public schools. It’s what wars are made of.

If we're talking about proof, I think that fails on both sides. The christian bible professes that the same God who wrote the ten commandments sent his son to earth knowing he would surely die in order to teach man Christianity. I suppose if you wish to parse the book into specific parts not to allow for the totality of its context to be considered you have a point. But then I think you could do that with almost any book ever written to hide the overall message a book sends.

And since the time you advocated we begin that slide down the slippery slope, look to where it led, and quickly. That was why my problem with it was so strong to begin with. I knew how this would all work out and what it would lead to. And here we are.

Ok then. What is the overall message of the Christian Bible again? That this god is the only true god and you must believe these outlandish stories literally? That’s my take away.

The burden of proof is on those who believe it.

The overall message of the christian bible is exactly what I said it was. That Jesus was sent down to earth so that God's only begotten son could give his life in order that anyone who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior would be saved from eternal damnation in hell. But then to understand that one would have to read the book and not parse some verses out of a single chapter of the book.

One would have to believe that you think the bible is nonsense but for some strange reason you think paying attention to one part of that nonsense while ignoring the entirety of it makes a point.

Neither side will have any proof until we are dead. But those of us who do belief have lots of faith.

Yeah and anybody who doesn’t believe that immaculate conception stuff is a pagan I know.

And again why is posting the Ten Commandments in public schools so harmful?

Then maybe you can answer the above question that Pit refuses to.

I don't think it is harmful, however some will agree or disagree with that and I understand. I see way more harm in other things the schools do than I do about posting the commandments on a wall that most students will ignore.

I remember growing up I saw the commandments posted in a lot of different places. Can’t remember exactly where. I’m sure churches posted them. I can’t remember if they were in public schools then, but I believe they were. I don’t think most students would ignore them. Like I said they are all inclusive to all religions. No one religion can claim the term “God”.

I'll try to make this easy for you. I'm not trying to convert you or convince you of anything. I'm not trying to indoctrinate you. I'm actually trying to advocate that no religious teachings or scripture be posted or taught in our schools. So why would I be trying to justify my belief system to you?

You are right that no one religion can claim the term god. But only religion does claim that term. And that's the issue. You either believe that religious scripture be posted in our schools or you don't. And for someone who professes that religion is nothing more than fables of man it seems odd you promote religious scriptures being posted in our schools. I also don't make attempts to demean your beliefs. But you do you.

And it was also more from a big picture standpoint. I knew once you open that door a flood would rush in. And that's exactly what we're seeing now with the Bible becoming part of the curriculum in Louisiana. The two are tied together and it's as if you couldn't see that coming.

Whatflood? You nor I can say in certainty who wrote the commandments. Whether or not they are religious in nature,They do transcend all religions and for those that don’t believe it’s still good rules to live by. Why would anyone be offended by.posting them in public schools?

Are kids in public schools in Louisiana being forced to read the Christian Bible and tested on it? I don’t think so, but I could be wrong. And that would be wrong. And I’m not sure I read you right. Did you say only one religion claims the term god or just religion in general?

Sorry, it's Oklahoma mandating the bible be taught in the curriculum......



You do realize that state schools could easily post rules a good person should live by without having a biblical connotation attached to it, right? But for some strange reason you feel that having that religious attachment to it has no implications. Well it did and quickly.

Oklahoma just called Louisiana's law and raised by upping the ante.

Poor Oklahoma kids. It is unconstitutional to teach any religion in school. I wonder if they’ll have pop quizzes on the Bible because grading answers on immaculate conception, and the flooding of the entire world is going to get some crazy ass answers from kids. Hope they are prepared for them.

I know they could post the commandments without the mention of religion or god. But everyone would know they just cut god out of it, and it would be a worsening scenario. Making this a big deal is exactly why Oklahoma did what they did. If it wasn’t covered like this in the media nobody would give a hoot that Louisiana posted the Ten Commandments in their public schools.

You are a funny man. The reason why Oklahoma passed this law is because they are using the same method they used to overturn Roe vs Wade.

Abortion was legal and little by little, state by state, conservative states started small but continued to push abortion restrictions further and further until they forced the case to the SCOTUS. and with a conservative SCOTUS, they overturned the law. They're doing the exact same thing here. But it's not a new concept to see people such as yourself attempt to shoot the messenger instead of address the message. It seems you answer is, "Yeah, but if people hadn't have made a big deal about the ten commandments, Oklahoma wouldn't have done this."

If you actually believe that I have some prime ocean front property in Oklahoma for sale at a bargain price. Just a quick look at history shows that the less you talk about it, the easier it is for people to get away with that BS.

And you can point to the democrats who do the same thing on gun rights. State by state thy keep making gun laws more and more restrictive. The objective is to get the SCOTUS to rule in their favor making guns very restrictive. I'm amazed you haven't been paying attention to how any of this works. But that doesn't surprise me. The end result in all of this is people choose extreme sides on such issues and nobody is willing to find any common sense middle ground. By and large we've allowed politics to make everything an all or nothing proposition with any call for compromise being labeled as a terrible thing.

As such we reasonable time table for abortions. No common sense gun control laws. I hope you figure out how each side is playing the game soon. You'll be better off for it.

Ok you know it all. No sense in even having any further discussion on it. Good day.

So you have no idea how any of that worked? You didn't watch state after state pass further restrictions on abortion until it went to the SCOTUS? Having a basic understanding of what we all watched happen doesn't make anyone a know it all. It does say something about the people trying to deny that's how it happened and the way it happened. We're now witnessing it happen again with forcing religion into our schools.

I'm sorry you think it takes some know it all to see that. It's pretty easy to see for most people.

One step closer to their Handmaid’s tale dystopia.

Conservatives, if y’all wanna kill me, be prepared for a gun fight.

I hope purp, the refs, and conservatives on this board don’t do any complaining about my post. Cause all the threats toward my life (general life) are coming from the self described Christian’s. This is at least the 2nd time somebody with power and influence has threatened death and bloodshed against non-Christian’s and non-right wingers, and it’s only happening more and more.

Conservatives calling for violence better not say a damn thing once the violence starts happening.

This is what Christian nationalism and project 2025 is all about. I consider anybody supporting this trash domestic terrorist.

And I swore an oath to protect this country from enemies both foreign AND domestic.

That's what Murica and Freedumb sounds like.

The Ten Commandments are the problem. It's that other religions aren't addressed in the same fashion. I'm not and expert on this so I'll leave to those that feel they are, but name a religion that doesn't look at them the way say a Catholic does. By posting the commandments are we ignoring their beliefs.. and if that's the case, why should we do that? Just throwing it out there for experts to ponder

How are their beliefs being ignored? Jews and Muslims also believe in the 10 commandments. How clueless are you?

A lady went to the Pastor and said🙍🏾 ... "I won’t be attending Church anymore."
He said, "May I ask why??"
She said, "I see people on their cell phones during the service, some are gossiping, some just ain’t living right, they are all just hypocrites."
The Pastor got silent and he said, "Ok... But can I ask you to do something for me before you make your final decision?"
She said, "What’s that?"
He said, "Take a glass of water and walk around the Church 2 times and don’t let any water fall out the glass."
She said, "Yes I can do that."
She came back and said "It’s done."
He asked her 3 questions:
1. Did you see anybody on their phone?
2. Did you see anybody gossiping?
3. Was anybody living wrong?
She said, "I didn’t see anything because I was so focused on this glass, so the water wouldn’t fall."
He told her, "When you come to Church, you should be just that focused on God , so that you don’t fall.That’s why Jesus said 'Follow me.' He did not say follow Christians. Don’t let your relationship with God be determined by how others relate with God. Let it be determined by how focused YOU are on God."

Sorry, I made a typo,, I meant to say that the Commandments ARE NOT the problem... my bad...Sorry

Speaking of Clueless, were did I mention Jews and Muslems?

I also stated that I'm not an expert at this stuff and for anyone who feels they are should comment. Clearly you aren't an expert at Reading.

The reason it's a problem is because once you open the flood gates, your house will soon be flooded.................

Oklahoma state superintendent orders schools to teach the Bible

Oklahoma's top education official is ordering public schools to incorporate the Bible into lessons for grades 5 through 12

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory...ders-schools-incorporate-bible-111489691

Smells of Indoctrination

Indoctrination into fairytales! Fascists have weaponized religion to keep people of faith from using their BRAINS. The far right likes you stupid, uneducated, and reactionary so you are easily gaslit. Please, if you are a real Christian, demand that Trump & Co stop bastardizing your religion.

I made a similar argument to a very religious friend who has since passed away, and his answer was, it's all about faith. It's all about a matter of what you believe. He believes what's written in the bible. He accepts it as written. For more than this, I wish he was still with us so I could have a discussion about it with him.

Bottom line, for him, it was simple. He studied the Bible. He was fanatical about it. So if the bible said it, he bought in hook line and sinker.

I knew this man and his family since I was 7 years old. His heart was in the right place. NO QUESTION about it. But I still think there is room to discuss and disagree.

Do you mean like Biden bastardizing his "good catholic" standing? Or, is it different?

The thing about people who take the bible literally is that they will exclude the parts that don't fit. Everything in the bible is exactly as written. Well except for this part, well yea and that part, and okay not that either ... but everything else

One of my all time favorite TV show scenes

How does Biden Basterdize his faith? Example please.

Perhaps with some folks that's true but my friend was not like that. He accepted everything but if someone said that this or that wasn't a good thing his answer would be God had a plan for those items. Really he just looked it differently than most people I know. Not saying he's right or wrong. But he was a true believer. As well as a good man from a good family.