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https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/med...s-impeachment-against-justice-thomas-and

Some will think this a good idea, it is not.

It's nothing more than a political stunt that will go nowhere. There's a lot of that happening these days.

I do agree that it is a political stunt and it will go no where. Some people will be unhappy with that result.

I would have to agree that there will be many that will be unhappy because they simply have no idea it had zero chance of success to begin with. It's easy to convince a lot of people that irrational things have suddenly become rational.

Oh wow, thanks for posting. I do see alarming behavior, especially on the part of Thomas, but yeah, this is DOA.

I think the most alarming part the constant attacks on the legitimacy of the court. The constant message they are wrong, extreme, illegitimate, etc. This goes no where as a process, but it is another piece of mud tossed to further tarnish the court because one side doesn't get their way. This is not new, but things like this only grow slowly. No one seems to really want to stop this because of the sports ball politics.

this woman needs to be voted out.

ironically, she has been investigated for receiving improper gifts...

I can get on board with arguing/discussing the merits of a code of conduct for SC Justices. IMO, there's enough evidence out there (and it seems to be picking up momentum) to justify something concrete to keep these lifetime appointees in line.

What AOC is doing, however, is nothing more than a temper tantrum. IMO, it's really unfortunate because stuff like this distracts and makes it harder to have the tough conversations that need to be had.

The actions by Thomas and to a lesser degree, Alito both deserved to be looked at closely, I really doubt that anyone would argue that taking presents/gifts from supporters of either side would and should be questioned. And let's face it, a Supreme Court Justice who can't get his stories straight on flying a flag upside down as his residence has no business judging others for ANY reason. When these things are TRULY investigated, I think anyone will determine they are not right. Perhaps to the point of having them removed.

But if you are gonna put forth articles of Impeachment, at least determine that it has a chance of succeeding. This has no chance and I believe that AOC knows that. So it turns into a political stunt. A waste of time.

I don't disagree with you. I think there is alarm on two fronts. The problem where we are at now in American politics, IMO, is that we (we as a society - not you and I) are using one bad behavior to justify another bad behavior.

I think oober probably summed it up best. I think we need to redefine an ethics code for the SCOTUS justices. I say that from the lens as both an attorney and a civil servant. That - to me - is a low hanging fruit to address.

On the other hand, I think we need to condemn the opportunistic stunts like the one we see here.

I would love it if the collective momentum of society could say things like "Yes, a Chief Justice taking a helicopter ride to Putin's hometown is a problem and we need to define ethical behavior and emphasize financial disclosures - with penalties" while also demanding things like "If you bring up vexatious motions for things like impeachment, there will also be punishments."

That's just off the top of my head in looking at all this.

I wonder if Congress could, under Article I Section VIII Clause 14, create a set of ethics rules. And if they can, why have they not?

Dangit, now you're going to have to make me look it up now. I thought that just had to do with the military and the navy, but I need to refresh my recollection now...

Isn't the argument that one branch of govt can't have authority or leverage over another? They are supposed to be separate.

Additionally, I don't trust Congress to do their own job let alone set up accountability for the Judicial.

Thanks man. I think it's supposed to be read as this:

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval forces

If that makes sense...

They do have checks, the Judciary tells Congress and Executive what they did was wrong and tells them how to do things in the future.


This might be the biggest issue.

Many of their actions outside of chambers do bring into question the legitimacy of their impartiality. While it's true that each branch of government has its own responsibilities, it's also true that it was set up in a manner there are to be checks and balances in place. Having a single body govern and police themselves certainly isn't working.

It is a stunt, in today's era of political partisanship, it does not get out of the House. No R is going to vote for impeachment.

Now, if the House changes hands....

One would hope that if the house changes hands the average partisan is still above the integrity of AOC.

While I really won't disagree with you in terms of impeachment. I would certainly hope that moving forward there would be some constraints in terms of conduct that would stop some of this unconstrained gift giving which appears to be influence peddling given to Justices of the court. There is no justification for the court not having someone outside of their own members having the ability to hold them accountable for their actions outside their chambers.

I'm not sure anyone that makes political statements has any room to be discussing integrity.

Which is why I mentioned Congress creating rules, though they could have for a couple hundred years and haven't. There are ethics rules internally to the court but government should never set there own rules to play by.

I'm really not surprised that congress isn't doing the job they were intended to do. There seems to be a lot of that.

They should be impeached and removed, but not until after the election IMHO.

Just to reiterate, I think that clause previously mentioned has to do with the "Government of the Military" not necessarily the other branches.

All that being said, if Congress did have the power, it has become so inept to do anything that it was actually meant to do. We couldn't even get a Speaker for a while initially, and then when he was canned, it took a while just to get a second speaker. That's pretty much what our legislature has become.

You may be right but the "and" in the middle could change that.

I wouldn't put it past Congress to abuse it if they think they could.

I think it's akin to the much maligned right to bear arms. I have two bear arms on my wall from my hunting trip, as it is my right under the Constitution.

That depends on what your definition of "and" is.

All that but add to it the PAC's and this whole thing about Corporations are people stuff has got to go. I don't like the Lobby business. That needs serious reform. Basically anything that can cause politicians to do something for a particular group that would enhance their own pockets. I think we pay them enough to live a good life.

As for the lobby industry, If I were an elected official, I'd want my constituents to come to me with problems. There is no way I could know every issue unless it's brought to my attention. So that's a good thing. But these folks have made a mockery of that.

https://www.the-independent.com/new...urt-salary-clarence-thomas-b2466768.html

Associate Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, Amy Coney Barrett and Ketanji Brown Jackson made $274,200 in 2023.

Chief justices make slightly more than associate justices. In 2023, Chief Justice John Roberts’ salary was $286,700.

Plus benefits and we pay for them to have staff and offices. All this for roughly 7 days a month ( I think that counts all the time they have off)

Is it a waste of time to call attention to CORRUPTION in/at the US Supreme Court. Personally, I think it is a good idea. Just as I'm completely flabbergasted a convicted felon and pathological liar could be elected President of USA, I'm more than disturbed Supreme Court Justices are NOT living ethical lives. They have LIFE TIME employment as our highest judges- there MUST be a way to expel a judge for personal conduct deficiencies and gross dereliction of duty. I'm all for holding any conservative or liberal judge accountable.

Libtards "I dont like the SCOTUS's decisions, so therefore they must be corrupt. Do you even listen to yourself?

Two of the justices, Thomas and Alito should be jailed or worse, at a minimum removed by impeachment. The other conservatives that lied about Rowe and stare decisis should also be impeached. They lied to congress. GOPer feelings don’t count, facts count.

You say 'libtard' every chance you get and almost never have anything thoughtful to say, and then ask someone "Do you even listen to yourself".

Comedy gold, right there.

If the shoe fits. In this instance libtard definitely fits.

YoU cAn’T aRgUe WiTh ThAt REpTARD LoGiC. Ironically hilarious. And she’s another female who couldn’t care less about her own rights just to justify a spectacularly stupid vote she made in 2016.

Well, when it comes to thoughtful discussion, the response is "Don't you guys have anything better to do than post on here all day?"

Info on Thomas trip to Russia.

I'm hoping this isn't true, but I'm betting it is.

https://www.newsweek.com/clarence-thomas-yacht-trip-russia-raises-questions-1923668

A letter from two Senate Democrats alleging that U.S. Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas failed to disclose a yacht trip to Russia has raised questions about the Court's longest-serving member.

Senators Sheldon Whitehouse and Ron Wyden sent the letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland on July 3 accusing Thomas of failing to disclose gifts from billionaire Republican donor Harlan Crow and asking Garland to appoint a special counsel to investigate the matter.

Whitehouse is chairman of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Federal Courts and Wyden serves as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. The senators' list of "likely undisclosed gifts and income" from Crow and his affiliated companies to Thomas included a 2003 yacht trip to Russia and a private helicopter flight to a palace in St. Petersburg, the home town of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The claims come as Democratic Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez announced on Wednesday that she had introduced articles of impeachment against Thomas and fellow conservative Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.

In a move separate to the senators' letter, Ocasio-Cortez has accused Thomas and Alito of failing to disclose gifts and reimbursements and refusing to recuse themselves in cases in which they had conflicts of interest.


Thomas, the Court's most senior conservative, has been facing calls to resign for months—and efforts to impeach him—over his relationship with Crow and luxury trips he received from the billionaire GOP donor.

Newsweek has reached out to the Supreme Court via email for comment.


Commentators on social media site X, formerly Twitter, raised questions about Thomas' reported visit to Russia in posts on Wednesday.

"Clarence Thomas took secret unreported trips to Russia aboard a yacht and to one of Putin's palaces — in 2003," wrote lawyer and legal commentator Tristan Snell.

"That feels important somehow. Maybe — hear me out here — just maybe, we should launch a full and thorough investigation into Thomas and his Kremlin connection," Snell added.

Journalist and lawyer Seth Abramson wrote: "Clarence Thomas possibly meeting secretly with Kremlin officials in Russia and then committing felony Tax Fraud to cover it up is just another major breaking news story media has no time to cover because Biden cleared his throat a few extra times 12 days ago."

"America is screwed," Abramson added.

There was no suggestion in the senators' letter that Thomas met with any Russian officials during his visit to the country.

Olga Lautman, a senior fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) highlighted a report from The Daily Beast on the senators' report.

"Hold on! WTH is a U.S. supreme court justice taking yacht trips and helicopter rides to Russia?" Lautman wrote on X.

"Before Kanye West went to Russia, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas did it on Harlan Crow's dime and took a lovely helicopter ride to the palace in Putin's hometown," wrote Grant Stern, executive editor of political organization Occupy Democrats.

"YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP!" Stern said.

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I'm not sure why, but there seems to be an effort by some MAGA Type republicans (many elected and some appointed) to turn the USA into Russia. I don't understand it. I don't like it. As a former Reagan Republican, I can't accept it.

I think you must first understand that she has no idea what corruption looks like.

Trump, his sons and business were fined more than 350 million for business fraud. His charity was ordered to pay 2 million dollars and shut down for using charitable contributions on his campaign.

Yet she endorses him for president and calls the other side libtards. So one must consider the source. When a person has no idea what corruption looks like you'll get the absurdity you see her post.

If you remove your head from that dark place within your anatomy, you might find that the corruption charge comes from Thomas taking a yacht ride to Russia and then a Helo to Putins home town and having a donor pick up the entire tab for it.

The Party of Family Values is a JOKE.. The new name for you and your type is CONTARD.. Hope that sticks