DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus President Biden to Drop Out of POTUS Race

I remember when I said there was no way they would let him run, nearly a year ago. I was basically called a conspiracy theorist.


8/24/23

Just take my money.

Biden is probably going to drop out, but is not out at this time. But yes, in the next week, he will suspend his campaign.

Supposed to be having an all hands meeting next day or two-and cancelled a campaign stop-but that could be blamed on covid.

What are you talking about?

The majority of Dems what Biden to drop out, knows the circumstances surrounding this. Y’all just trying to start nonsense cause you know Biden dropping out is devastating toward trumps chances.

I was under the impression that current election laws prohibit Biden from transferring his election chest to someone else until after the nomination. If he drops before that it is subject to the $2500 limit. Everyone is gonna want that sweet sweet election money.

Just for myself I' not buying that some cabal is pulling the strings behind the scenes. There are LOTS of reasons. Too many reasons.

1. We're more than half way through the election campaign - only 4 months out. You think it would be planned to have the Democrats change candidate at this late stage?
2. FarnkZ just mentioned something I have heard a few times - a new ticket needs it's own campaign finances.
3. You think that a choreographed, orchestrated campaign was going to let the world see what happened at the debate?
4. Same people claiming this was in the works were also the ones claiming Biden was going to step down and Harris was going to step in within a year of the term .... Do you remember all that noise? There was a LOT of people claiming this. ... never happened.
5. If there was the machine behind the Democratic nomination/party/apparatus - Biden would never ever have been on the ticket for 2024.

Just how I see it,

There is a machine behind the parties. That's just how it works. Fir the dem side the machine has been covering for Biden quite a while now. The worst thing you can do in politics is admit to being wrong. Spin and denial wins the day until it isn't feasible. It is no longer feasible in Biden's case.

I don't doubt there were contingency plans, but contingency plans are always next choice not the primary choice for some reason.

It seems as though if Joe drops out he's actually doing exactly what democratic voters want him to do......

Nearly two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to withdraw, new AP-NORC poll finds

WASHINGTON (AP) — Nearly two-thirds of Democrats say President Joe Biden should withdraw from the presidential race and let his party nominate a different candidate, according to a new poll, sharply undercutting his post-debate claim that “average Democrats” are still with him even if some “big names” are turning on him.

The new survey by the AP-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, conducted as Biden works to salvage his candidacy two weeks after his debate flop, also found that only about 3 in 10 Democrats are extremely or very confident that he has the mental capability to serve effectively as president, down slightly from 40% in an AP-NORC poll in February.

The findings underscore the challenges the 81-year-old president faces as he tries to silence calls from within his own party to leave the race and tries to convince Democrats that he’s the best candidate to defeat Donald Trump. The poll was conducted mostly before Saturday’s assassination attempt on Trump at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. It’s unclear whether the shooting influenced people’s views of Biden, but the small number of poll interviews completed after the shooting provided no early indication that his prospects improved.

Meanwhile, as Vice President Kamala Harris receives additional scrutiny amid the talk about whether Biden should bow out, the poll found that her favorability rating is similar to his — but the share of Americans who have an unfavorable opinion of her is slightly lower.

The poll provides some evidence that Black Democrats are among Biden’s strongest supporters, with roughly half in the survey saying he should continue running, compared to about 3 in 10 white and Hispanic Democrats. Overall, seven in 10 Americans think Biden should drop out, with Democrats only slightly less likely than Republicans and independents to say that he should make way for a new nominee.

“I do have genuine concerns about his ability to hold the office,” said Democrat Andrew Holcomb, 27, of Denver. “I think he’s frankly just too old for the job.”

Janie Stapleton, a 50-year-old lifelong Democrat from Walls, Mississippi, held the opposite view, saying Biden is the “best candidate” for president.

People aren’t just sour on Biden on as they size up their choices this election season.

About 6 in 10 Americans want Trump to withdraw -- but relatively few Republicans are in that camp.

As for Biden, younger Democrats are especially likely to want to see him bow out – and to say they’re dissatisfied with him. Three-quarters of Democrats under the age of 45 want Biden to drop out, compared to about 6 in 10 of those who are older.

“I just feel like these two individuals are a sad choice,” said Alexi Mitchell, 35, a civil servant who lives in Virginia. She identifies as a Democratic-leaning independent, and while she thinks Biden is probably still mentally up to the job, she worries that the past few weeks’ unraveling of support makes him a weak candidate, no matter what happens next. “If he doesn’t have control over his own party, that’s a fatal flaw,” she said. “He’s put us in a bad position where Trump might win.”

Despite bullish talk from the Biden campaign heading into the debate, the faceoff only left the president in a deeper hole. Democrats are slightly more likely to say they’re dissatisfied with Biden as their nominee now than they were before his halting performance. About half are dissatisfied, an uptick from about 4 in 10 in an AP-NORC poll from June.

By contrast, most Republicans – about 6 in 10 – came out of the debate very or somewhat satisfied with Trump as their candidate. Too few interviews were conducted after the assassination attempt to provide a clear indication of whether Republicans or Americans overall have rallied further around Trump since then.

David Parrott, a Democrat from Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee, was willing to give Biden the benefit of the doubt given the president’s age, but he still voiced concerns about a potential second term.

“I don’t know if he can make it another four years or not,” said Parrott, a 58-year-old retiree. “Shouldn’t he be sitting at his beach house taking it easy?”

All of the recent churn has left Americans much more likely to think Trump is capable of winning the 2024 election than is Biden – 42% to 18%. About a quarter thought the the two men equally capable of winning.

Even Democrats are relatively dour about their party’s prospects come November.

Only about a third of Democrats believe Biden is more capable of winning than is Trump. About 3 in 10 think the two are equally capable of winning and 16% say victory is more likely to go to the Republican. By contrast, Republicans are overwhelmingly convinced that Trump is in the best position to win.

Trump also has the edge on Biden when Americans consider who is most capable of handling a crisis, 38% to 28%. And people are about equally divided on which candidate has the better vision for the country, with 35% saying Biden and 34% Trump.

For all of the disenchantment Biden is up against, the president insists it’s not too late to turn things around, saying past presidents have come back from a deficit at this stage in the campaign. In an interview Tuesday with BET News, he said many voters haven’t focused yet, adding, “The point is, we’re just getting down to gametime right now.”

The poll did also offer a bright spot for Biden: 40% of adults say he’s more honest than Trump, while about 2 in 10 think the opposite.

Most Democrats — around 6 in 10 — say that Vice President Harris would make a good president, while 22% think not and 2 in 10 don’t know enough to say. The poll showed that 43% of U.S. adults have a favorable opinion of her, while 48% have an unfavorable opinion. Somewhat more have a negative view of Biden: approximately 6 in 10 Americans.

The survey was conducted before Trump selected freshman Sen. JD Vance of Ohio as his running mate. It showed that for most Americans, Vance is still an unknown. Six in 10 don’t know enough about him to form an opinion, while 17% have a favorable view and 22% view him negatively.

The poll of 1,253 adults was conducted July 11-15, 2024, using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population. The margin of sampling error for all respondents is plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-tr...mocrats-59eebaca6989985c2bfbf4f72bdfa112

Yes, the democratic party doing what their own voters want would be a takeover of the nominee and ignore the will of their voters.

I'm not going to split apart your post point by point, but I'll cover everything.

First: This "late stage" is because they know Joe can't win, pure and simple. They've been pretty sure for a while, the debate set it in stone, and it was so predictable. All the people that said Joe was "sharp as a tack; all the reporters that said they just saw him last week and he was doing calculus with his eyes closed; all the "insiders" with the absurd "behind closed doors" scams; all the people screaming "cheap fakes? They all turned on a dime the day after the debate.

Then suddenly the reports surface about his UNfitness and they spread like wildfire... all in lockstep. So did all the or elses... "if he wants a legacy of a loser", "if he wants that presidential library", etc, etc... It would be funny if it weren't so sickening.

No, Joe didn't just wake up like this, it's been evident for years. He didn't have a "stutter" as a couple of the resident know-nothings kept insisting. Joe was insulated because they could control him. I don't claim to know who they are, I only know, as you do (if you have a shred of honesty) that there was no way in hell he was running this country.

THEY want control, and at the end of the day, it's easier to keep the one you have under control than to try to establish control over someone else.


As for finances: A. These people make up the rules as they go, we watch it every damned day. B. Who. Cares?? Do you think they're worried about where the money will come from? THAT couldn't be more laughable.


The "same people" b.s. is tired, lazy, and all but infantile. That's a Pit special. You should leave it alone, in everything you argue about, it literally makes you sound like an adolescent. Strawmen don't win discussions.


As to your last point, I mostly answered it right above. But ask yourself a few questions about "the machine"?

Why would they go to such great lengths to dispel the rumors that he was unfit and keep him on the ticket?

Why would they not allow a true primary when the world was screaming that he was unfit?

Why would the party of "democracy", the one going around like Chicken Little everyday telling us how it is dying, not allow Robert Kennedy to run in the primary??

Because he was a mortal threat to their power and control, that's why. In fact, that's a good three word answer to the entire discussion: Power and Control. Those that can see it -- good for you. Those that can't, well, we'll just say you may need a new set of bifocals.


They picked Joe Biden and gave voters no choice. Now they're going to pick somebody else, without a vote.

DeMoCrAcY!!

And two thirds of the people who "picked him" want him replaced.

I wonder if they would have picked him if they knew then what they know now.

Hmmm... I wonder if they were the "same" two thirds that wanted an open primary and the right to vote for their next candidate??

DeMoCrAcY!!

sheesh... they are really giving mixed signals.

I wonder if there was an email previously queued and forgotten about that fired.

It is a confusing look.

Obviously not. That debate and some of the things that happened since the debate made things so obvious, those who didn't want to see it couldn't help but see it. That's why now two thirds of them want him replaced.

So then the DNC and their cronies were trying to influence the election. Better arrest Trump for it.

It's really not mixed signals. Joe isn't going to admit he's dropping out of the race as long as he's still in the race. And those who don't want him in the race are going to say things to indicate he is leaving the race. No matter what is going on behind closed doors each side is standing their ground.

Mixed signals is when one side says two different things. Each side has remained consistent to this point.

His campaign chair said the same thing about an hour ago. Nobody is looking at this from Biden's point of view. He has all the money and power in the world, he's old and slipping, so there is no proper "buyout".

He could very well be going scorched-Earth on this entire charade. Or at least threatening to burn the whole thing to the ground.

What kind of far right wing gibberish is this?

j/c...

The deadline to replace a candidate in Nevada is next Friday. We'll see how that plays out.

Time is starting put the pressure on that is for sure.

Ain't it funny, Republicans can now point the finger at the Demorats about " the Demorats doing "back door stuff"-- conveniently Republicans don't mention Reps traveling Mar- Largo to kiss Donald's ring and get their marching orders---the fight salute reminds many of "Sieg Heil" Nazi chant.....history never repeats.

This forum has gone 0 days since the last stereotypical nazi reference.

The tweet says this has been planned for 3 years ..... No it hasn't. You yourself said this is a reaction to him being unable to win.. . If its a reaction then it wasn't planned 3 years ago.

And machine was probably a poor choice of words as both parties are political machines.... I was meaning to imply some secret all powerful Illuminati.... I think people who wanted to grasp that probably did.

So I'm stupid because of your poor choice of words? Seems about right.

Is that all you got? That this has been planned for less than three years? Don't want to refute any of my comments, just lob insults?

I'll take that as a win.


Joe came with a built-in option. Since he was bat-[censored] crazy they could play the "there's nothing wrong with him" game (while insulting anyone that stated otherwise) until the last moment. From that standpoint, they basically reserved the right to have two candidates, yet effectively eliminate actual voters from the process. The media was in lockstep and all acted like the debate was some great revelation even though he's been talking gibberish for over two years. Nobody that paid any attention needed the debate to clarify anything, yet the next morning, "oh my God!"

That's the cheapest of "cheap fakes" yet all the sheep just fall in line. What just happened is really not even hard to understand. I predicted this exact thing a year ago. Not that I was smart enough to see that two options at beating Trump were better than one, probably that I was just lucky.

No - did not intend to imply you are stupid or insult you in any way. Ever. Yes I was brief - on a tablet instead of a PC and being quick. So appologies.

While I don't agree that Biden was bat s*t crazy when he took office - I'll leave that aside and go back to your post and give you a more detailed response from a PC later today - as soon as I can get online for 15-20 minutes and reply properly. Again my apologies.

With that said - yes, this has been planned for less than 3 years. And I was respnding specifically to a specific tweet that claimed it has been planned for 3 years. And personally I don't even think it's been planned for as long as a year .... and if it HAS been planned for a year, then whoever did the planning is the stupidest, dumbest moron(s) on the planet. I can't imagine any scenario with Biden running and looking more frail and mentally challenged by the day would ever do anything but hand the election to Trump. At this point anyone gives the Democratsd a better chance to win than Biden - but whoever runs (assuming there is a change) is going to have LESS chance than they would if they had been on the tcket from the begining.

And this was the specific post I was talking about regards 'machine' being a poor choice of words.

All good. My apologies as well. Just sounded like you were saying I was too dense to grasp something in that previous last sentence. As far as the three years -- you're right, that is specifically what the Tweet said. My attempt is to add nuance to the frame of mind if there is one.

Three years ago, this wasn't a plan, it was a "hey, worst case scenario" type discussion. "They" were well aware it gave them options. When this became a plan is about the time of the primaries. There were still plenty of ways for Biden to win as Trump was spending everyday in court. "They" had effectively trained the media and the country that pointing out Joe's dementia was in bad taste, and selling everyone the smokescreen that it's just MAGA making fun of a well-meaning leader that was just stumbling from time to time. That snow-job was the golden goose.

The last step was quieting the crowd and keeping Joe in the basement while you eliminate Robert Kennedy. Now you can let this play out on your terms. Now you effectively have two options. Now you can play your hand with Biden until it proves to be futile, and then join the "he's crazy" game and hand pick the substitute.

“They say he hurts Biden. I’m not sure that that’s true, and I think he probably hurts [us] both,” Trump said of Kennedy in a radio interview Monday night. “But he might hurt Biden a little bit more, you don’t know.” Donald Trump

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/22/republicans-are-starting-to-worry-about-rfk-jr-00153763

Well I agree that it's late stage because Biden can't win. **and add that in all honesty the guy is unfit to be POTUS for 4 years ** But I disagree that it's been this bad for this long ... I can agree that people were hoping to slide past the election and hide Biden's deterioration until into the next term believing he could pull it off. I don't agree that in his first term he's been controlled like a weak puppet. If he was a puppet - he would have miraculously come down with Covid right after the debate and within 3-5 days a he would have stepped aside. As it is - he's a stubborn fool and someone somewhere isn't getting all his awful gaffs in the last 3 weeks and making him watch it and telling him "you aren't fit to run" and instead he's clinging to some bizar belief in himself. So we sort of agree that folks knew - but I think they hoped he'd hold on being able to 'pull it off'.

I'm not at all sure they make the rules up as they go along - I mean they all try to. But if the campaign finaces don't allow that warchest to be spent if there is a new ticket then they can't spend it. ..... IF that was just a strategic lie by the right wing media to get it out there early and they repeat it enough times ... Trump fans will believe it. As of this moment I do not know what the rules are. Yes someone somewhere will try to bend them.

Same People - maybe that's a genrealization. But then sometimes there's so much of that on this bard it's hard not to go there. For sure - it was a Steve Bannon / Right wing media spin that Biden was a puppet in 2020 and he was going to get ill within a year of his term and Kamala and the evil socialist were going to step in and take everyone's freedom's away while turning the US into a communist country. The word communist was a huge buzz word for a long time in 2020. Whether it's all the same people that said that that now have a new theory I don't know ... but there are defo some crossovers that are/were in both camps.

Your comments about the Democratic Party choosing Biden, Choosing the replacement et-al - wihtout votes. Yeah I don't disagree. Just look at how Bernie has been totally and royally screwed. That is the politics of the Party Machine and it is bad and sucks ... but what I don't agree is that this is some carefully schemed tactic to get two bites of the cherry to beat Trump. As I wrote - whoever now replaces Biden (if they do) is going to have a better chance to win than Biden does today. But if there had been a new ticket originally - it doesn't matter who that ticket was - their chances would be better than whoever is on the docket come November. This whole series of events has been a disaster.

We can disagree - no problem - and apologies for short posts on the tablet. It happens more and more these last few months, I snatch 5 minutes on a phone or tablet and less time on PC.

Not a fan of calling Trump a pathalogical liar (which he is) and then quoting him because it supports something you believe in. I don't know who Kennedy can hurt more - my gut says the D's. But I wouldn't ever quote Trump to back up a point of mine.

I was simply directing it towards someone that either for some strange reason seems to think he can believe him. Unless of course he actually knows he's a pathological liar and still thinks he should be POTUS.

Neither one if which is particularly healthy.

There shouldn't be ONE day without a reference to NAZI Germany and it being what Trump wants to turn the USA into. It's a clear as a bell to those of us with out eyes open.

This should be the theme song of the left. "I can see clearly now, my eyes are closed."


A typo for the ages!

Rubbish. Absolute and utter rubbish. But the constant keen of nazi is likely contributed to Trump getting shot and Comperatore killed.

Ahhhh, the DNC trying to rig the game again.

Except Grandpa Joe was not up to the task, and everyone knew it. Weekend at the Bidens should be the name of the movie.

They tried to outsmart themselves, but what they should have done was had a real primary.

Gretchen, Gavin, Amy, Pete, any one of them would have won in a primary against Grandpa Joe, and the DNC did not want such a fight.

So now they have egg on their face. Hillary part 2.

I can say these things with a clear conscience, because I did not vote for Grandpa Joe in the primary.

My problem is, I will never vote for Don the Con.

I don't know if "word salad" aka Kamala is a better alternative.

I hope someone with clarity becomes the nominee.

And prepare for the justified grief to be heaped on the democratic party acting in a truly non-democratic way.

QFT!

PANIC PORN ALERT!

Based on what? Nothing but your thoughts and feelings? And you blame others for posting panic porn?