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Top-Line Facts & Statistics

Suicide is the second leading cause of death among young people aged 10 to 14, and the third leading cause of death among 15-24 year olds (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2022). Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning (LGBTQ+) young people are at significantly increased risk.

LGBTQ+ young people are more than four times as likely to attempt suicide than their peers (Johns et al., 2019; Johns et al., 2020).

The Trevor Project estimates that more than 1.8 million LGBTQ+ young people (ages 13-24) seriously consider suicide each year in the U.S. — and at least one attempts suicide every 45 seconds.

The Trevor Project’s 2023 U.S. National Survey on the Mental Health of LGBTQ Young People found that 41% of LGBTQ+ young people seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year, including roughly half of transgender and nonbinary youth.

https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

Yes, giving these kids someone they can confide in and trust to talk about this with is a terrible thing. It may help save some of their lives. But I understand. We can't allow that to happen.

And parents have a right to know if their child is feeling thoughts of suicide.

The idea is for them to have someone they feel safe confiding in so that it never reaches that level. I know that's a hard concept for some to understand.

Not in California. It is strictly prohibited.

The idea is the agenda makes children pawns.

I would destroy a school system that hid suicidal issues of my children from me.

Destroy them? By sending in armed heroin and meth addicts to shoot up their schools?

I see you have climbed down the rabbit hole of thinking schools are to recruit and turn school children LGBTQ. Maybe you shoud get help for that.

Yes they would all be dead. Why bother living if your child dies because the state knows better? (Please tell you don't need purple)


School: Mr pitdawg we knew your child was suicidal but we said nothing.
Pitdawg: it's OK, they needed their privacy.

Only nobody said anything about that. The idea is having someone they can confide in will prevent them from becoming suicidal in the first place. You would rather take that away from them which will only serve to increase the odds in them becoming suicidal.

So the state hiding a child confiding in them means the child can't possibly be suicidal? Is this how you see that working?

A hard concept to understand is that most of these suicidal people are clinically depressed and need treatment from trained professionals, not some teacher, guidance counselor or school nurse. Teachers can't consent to this treatment, only parents can.....and now the teachers and counselors can't tell the parents what they're observing. Lefty logic at it's finest.

Wow! Pitdawg wants to hide bullying and suicidal thoughts from parents! EVIL.

Let me explain to all of you at the same time the tragic foolishness of what you are trying to indicate. Not reporting that a student is LGBTQ is not the same as reporting to parents that your child is expressing or stating they have suicidal tendencies. As a matter of fact it's quite the opposite. Teachers along with some other professions are "mandatory reporters". A child who is contemplating suicide is considered a matter of mandated reporting. Here is a list of things that must be reported by all mandated reporters.....

Child abuse and neglect.

Elder abuse and neglect.

Abuse and neglect of mentally or physically disabled individuals.

Suicide threats.

Threats to the well-being of others.

Discussing your sexuality with someone whom you trust to talk about it with is not being "clinically depressed".

Both are items that mandated reporters must report. I'm sorry that in your GOP bubble you can't comprehend that concept.

Make up your mind.

If being LGTBQ is a risk factor for suicide then it should be reported. If it isn't then you were lying in the first post.

Seriously, do you think we can't look at what you said in the thread?

According to you it seems you think kids talking to others they feel they can trust is the cause of those suicides. When in fact having someone they trust that they can talk to would work to decrease that. They are not the same thing.

I've made up my mind. Common sense here is escaping you.

No, according to you being LGBTQ is a high risk factor for suicide and parents have no business knowing about it.

BTW The quoted post is a gaslight by pit it wasn't clear.

You are still trying to mix two things together which do not apply to each other. The fact that if students have someone they feel they can trust to confide in it will help lessen their chance of suicide. You also seemed to miss that if it gets to the level a teacher or counselor feels there is evidence that rises to the level of suicide or self harm they must report it.

I'm not sure what it is about that you find so confusing.

And if a child needs someone to confide in to not be suicidal then the parents need to know. You contended that being LGBTQ is at hgh risk of suicide. If that is the case then parents need to know. If it isn't true then you were gaslighting again.

You really can't help yourself can you? Do you need someone to confide in? You can get professional help, seriously.

Once again you play word games. A kid isn't suicidal unless they're suicidal. Being LGBTQ doesn't make a kid suicidal. Feeling isolated and alone does. You advocate they can't have someone they feel safe to confide in which will actually increase their risk of suicide. You go boy!

If anyone here needs help here it's you.

"Suicide is the second leading cause of death among young people aged 10 to 14, and the third leading cause of death among 15-24 year olds (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2022). Lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and questioning (LGBTQ+) young people are at significantly increased risk."

Your words.

I am not playing word games (that's a gas light).

You said it, now you want to hand wave it away.

Parents have a right to know what is happening in their child's life, period.

There's so much gas lighting going on by Pit, I feel like I'm staring at the sun!

Naw, he NEVER does that. Ever. Not possible. (Do I need purple?)

I fully understand you either refuse to or can't comprehend that an LGBTQ kid having someone they can confide in they feel they can trust would make them feel less islolated and lower their odds of suicide. It's a difficult concept to grasp. I also see you're having trouble wrapping your mind around the fact that if it ever rises to the level that a student appears to reach that level or threatens suicide a teacher or counselor is compelled to report it.

Admitting that would torch you nonsensical argument. But go ahead and promote something that could only work to increase their odds of suicide.

You need a lot more than purple but I don't have a degree in the field of mental health so you'll have to look elsewhere for that.

Hey, when did pit turn over his name to Kamala?

About the same time you turned your name into Curly Howard. I understand English is hard for you.

So you can't believe I won't admit you are right when you say it is ok for schools to hide mental health information from parents. Well, you are wrong.

Parents are responsible for their children. It starts at home. Engaged parents are a child's best chance, not a school system ill equipped to deal with them personally, that uses a one size fits all approach to mental health, and that has their hands tied when the child has a real crisis.

No matter how you peddle it you are still shoveling manure.

Curly Howard was a smart, hard working, dude. You might learn something from him if you would stop trying to tell everyone how smarter you are.

Are you so hell bent on arguing that you don't read what you write? Someone they can confide in? Who would that be ....a teacher, a guidance counselor or some other person unfit to be assessing a child's mental health and giving advice? ....and then you want to ban them from reporting concerns to parents. How can you even say that crap with a straight face?

Now if a teacher sees a troubled youth emotionally struggling, he can't say anything to the child's primary caregiver. In what world is that ok?

Being LGBTQ isn't a mental health problem.


That's why teachers shouldn't get involved between a student and their parents. If parents were engaged and approachable they wouldn't be turning to their teachers and counselors to confide in.


And you're using a skid loader.

arch isn't everyone. Dee, dee, dee!

Being LGBTQ isn't a mental health problem. If a child felt they could confide in their parents they would. Some of you keep referring being LGBTQ as a mental health problem. Sometimes all a kid needs is someone to tell them it's okay to be who you are and support them and some of you also think they would get that at home. The fact that you think a child who won't speak to their parents about it should have nobody they feel safe confiding in is the best solution. Because if they know or believe the person they talk to about it at school will tell their parents, they won't have anyone to talk to.

That's exactly what would lead to mental health issues and a higher probability of suicide. But for some odd reason you can't see that.

I didn't say it was. You said it puts them at higher risk of suicide.

Yes, this isn't what you said is it?

Nobody said if a situation arises that makes it a mental health issue that it shouldn't be reported. As I've already shown, if there is any indication of self harm or suicide teachers and school counselors are mandatory reporters.

But being LGBTQ isn't a mental health issue.

Yes, that's what he said, but THIS was the actual conversation:


So, we'll play the PitGame.

Are you saying feeling isolated and considering suicide are NOT mental health problems??

Feeling isolated is an issue that's solved by simply having found someone to confide in so you no longer feel alone and isolated. A child continuing to feel isolated is what some of you seem to support. Since they already don't feel they can talk to their parents, now you seem to suggest they have no adults to talk to about it.

Suicide it seems something I have to keep addressing over and over and over again.

Any time a student is considering self harm including suicide all teachers and school counselors are mandatory reporters.

You are conflating two totally different issues into one. Considering suicide is something any and every school official must report. How many more times do I need to post that until it sinks in?

You're right. I'm wrong. I was caught in the mosh of all the ancillary arguing.

You have said that numerous times and it is factual.

Sorry about that.