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Here's a look at 9 of Harris' vice presidential prospects – and the pros and cons for each one as Democrats try to maintain hold of the White House.

Karissa Waddick
Ramon Padilla
USA TODAY

Democratic leaders are rallying to crown Vice President Kamala Harris their party’s 2024 presidential nominee, raising the question of whom she could choose as her running mate.

The slate of rising stars said to be in consideration for the coveted role include swing state governors, a battle-tested Biden Cabinet appointee and military veterans. One thing they'd all have in common should they become the No. 2 to the nation's first female president: They could all court pivotal blocs of voters across the country.

Who has been mentioned as possible VP candidate?

Here’s a look at nine of the top vice presidential candidates Harris is likely considering, along with the pros and cons for each as Democrats seek to hold the White House.

Andy Beshear | Pete Buttigieg | Roy Cooper | Mark Kelly | J.B. Pritzker | Cedric Richmond | Josh Shapiro | Tim Walz | Gretchen Whitmer

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Andy Beshear

Pros:

The twice-elected governor of a deep-red state, Beshear has a proven ability to garner support from a wide coalition of voters, including Trump Republicans and moderates.
Beshear could counter Sen. JD Vance’s rhetoric about the Appalachian region, which includes portions of Kentucky, to win over Rust Belt swing voters.
Beshear, 46, has bipartisan leadership credentials, having worked with a Republican Legislature to lead his state through multiple disasters, including the COVID-19 pandemic, tornadoes and floods.

Cons:

Kentucky is a Republican stronghold, and it’s unlikely Beshear would give Democrats an electoral advantage in the state.
Beshear has little foreign policy experience.
He is also relatively unvetted at the national level and is unlikely to have much name recognition among voters outside Kentucky.



Pete Buttigieg

Pros:

Buttigieg is already a well-known Democratic figure who has experience campaigning across the country from his 2020 presidential bid and service as a Biden Cabinet member. He also served in the military and can speak to defense and international debate.
As the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, Buttigieg can speak to the concerns of voters in Rust Belt swing states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.
At age 42, he is the youngest contender being considered for the VP slot and is openly gay. He may be better equipped to energize core Democratic base constituencies, including LGBTQ+, millennial and Gen Z voters.

Cons:

Buttigieg’s identity as an openly gay man could hurt Democrats' chances of wooing conservative-leaning independents, especially on a ticket with the first Black female vice president.
As transportation secretary, Buttigieg has faced an array of criticism, including his handling of the 2023 train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio – a disaster Vance has focused on in the Senate.
During his 2020 run for the Democratic presidential nomination, Buttigieg struggled to appeal to Black and Latino voters who are key parts of a Democratic path to victory in November.



Roy Cooper

Pros:

Cooper has won six statewide elections in the key 2024 battleground state of North Carolina, including two governor's races, and could help Democrats carry the Southern swing territory.
Harris already has a working relationship with Cooper. They both served as their state’s respective attorney general, and Harris has described the North Carolina leader as a “dear friend.”
Cooper is in search of a new job. Unlike some of the other governors on the list, he is in the last year of his final term in office.

Cons:

Cooper, 67, is one of the oldest contenders for the VP post.
Republicans have controlled the North Carolina Legislature since Cooper has been in power, which could make it difficult for him to claim full credit for successful policies.
Cooper has been criticized for dismissing charges against three Duke University lacrosse players who were accused of sexually assaulting a dancer.
North Carolina is in a tumultuous gubernatorial race, so Cooper may want to focus on his home state.



Mark Kelly

Pros:

Kelly won statewide elections for the U.S. Senate seat in Arizona in 2020 in a special election to finish the term of the late Sen. John McCain and for a full term in 2022. He could give Democrats a boost in the crucial battleground state as VP nominee.
He has a background in military service as a naval aviator and as a former astronaut, giving him a platform to attack former President Donald Trump on claims that Trump has mocked veterans.
Kelly is the husband of former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords, who was shot in the head during a 2011 mass casualty event at a Tucson grocery store. Their story could prove powerful as gun violence takes center stage in the 2024 election.

Cons:

Kelly is relatively unvetted on the national stage and is not well known beyond his state.
He has served in the U.S. Senate only since 2020 and is among the least-experienced politicians being considered for the VP nomination.
Swing state Arizona would hold a special election to fill his Senate seat if Kelly is picked and Democrats win the White House in November.



J.B. Pritzker

Pros:

His progressive record as governor of Illinois, including proposals for a $15 an hour minimum wage and legalizing recreational marijuana, could appeal to the Democratic Party’s left flank.
Pritzker is heir to his family's Hyatt Hotel chain and has an estimated net worth of more than $3 billion.
One of the most outspoken Trump critics in the Democratic Party, Pritzker isn’t shy about taking on the former president and would be expected to perform well in a debate against Vance.

Cons:

At 59, Pritzker is the same age as Harris and could struggle to reach out to younger generations of voters.
Pritzker faced controversy in 2018 for removing toilets from his luxury home in Chicago to lower his property taxes.
Illinois is not considered a battleground state, so picking Pritzker would not help Harris carry a swing state.



Cedric Richmond

Pros:

Richmond is a Democratic loyalist who worked in the Biden White House and chaired his campaign.
He has strong ties to Capitol Hill from his tenure as a congressman, which sets him apart from the governors on the list. Every vice president since 1977 has served in Congress first.
He knows Harris well from his time leading the Congressional Black Caucus and as co-chair of the Biden transition team.

Cons:

Richmond does not have a large following beyond Washington, D.C.
He does not hail from a swing state and would not bring a new constituency of voters to the Democratic ticket.
Richmond has served in public office since 2000 and has no military or private industry experience. His current role at the DNC could spur rhetoric from the Trump campaign that he is part of the Washington swamp.



Josh Shapiro

Pros:

Shapiro has the highest gubernatorial rating of any Pennsylvania governor in decades, and he could prove to be important in delivering an electoral victory for Democrats in the must-win swing state.
The 51-year-old has gained national name recognition for his quick response to the 2023 I-95 overpass collapse and, more recently, his leadership after the attempted assassination of Trump at a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
His experience as the governor of a Rust Belt state and calls for unity after the Trump rally shooting may help Democrats counter Republican messaging that the party is divisive.

Cons:

Shapiro has led Pennsylvania for two years and is politically inexperienced on the national stage.
Democrats risk the chance that a Republican could take control of the Pennsylvania governor’s mansion if he is picked and goes on to win the White House.
Shapiro isn’t likely to excite the party’s progressive base, especially given his moderate stance on the Israel-Hamas war. Shapiro has not called for a cease-fire but has expressed support for a two-state solution.



Tim Walz

Pros:

Walz has served two terms as Minnesota’s governor and six terms in the U.S. Congress, giving him more nuanced leadership experience than many of the VP contenders.
He has spoken openly about his family’s personal experience with IVF treatments and would be a strong champion for reproductive freedom on the campaign trail.
Walz is a former teacher and pro-union Democrat who can speak to the concerns of blue-collar workers in Midwestern states.

Cons:

Walz is not well known outside Minnesota, and Democrats could struggle to introduce him to the American people with just three months until the general election.
He received backlash for his handling of the riots across Minnesota after the murder of George Floyd and his defense of the protesters who participated.
Walz has remained a steadfast supporter of Israel during its war with Hamas, which might not play well with younger, more progressive voters the Harris campaign is trying to reach.



Gretchen Whitmer

Pros:

Whitmer won reelection in Michigan by double digits in 2022 and has broad support in the crucial Midwestern swing state.
During her two terms as governor, Whitmer has focused on working across the aisle on issues at top of mind for Americans, including job growth, economic investment and infrastructure.
Whitmer is a woman and an outspoken advocate for abortion rights. She could be a strong messenger against Republican rhetoric on reproductive rights, a key issue in the 2024 campaign.

Cons:

A woman has never won the presidency, and a two-woman presidential ticket would be unprecedented. Democrats may fear that it would push some undecided voters away.
Whitmer was accused of hypocrisy during the COVID-19 pandemic for traveling out of state and going to a bar while her administration encouraged people not to travel or eat out. She has since admitted she made a mistake.
Whitmer does not have foreign policy experience or background working with the deeply divided U.S. Congress.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/07/24/kamala-harris-vp-choices-pros-cons/74501038007/

This is a strong list. Excellent options from swing states. My Choice would be Mark Kelly Senator Arizona. Josh Shapiro would be #2. I really like Bashir but no matter how popular he is, Kentucky isn't going to vote Democrat for President.


The New York Times

Spaceman, Senator, VP Pick? Kamala Harris Sizes Up Mark Kelly.
Jonathan Weisman and Jazmine Ulloa
Fri, July 26, 2024 at 3:06 PM EDT·9 min read


The rugged border lands around Douglas, Arizona, dip through precipitous canyons and shoot skyward on rocky mountain walls, impossible terrain for a 30-foot steel bollard wall but not for the cartels smuggling people and contraband from Mexico.

Sen. Mark Kelly, an Arizona Democrat under consideration to be Vice President Kamala Harris’ running mate, knows this expanse well — a fact that even the state’s Republicans acknowledge.

Donald Huish, the Republican mayor of Douglas, recounted a phone call with Kelly two weeks ago, when the two men talked through progress on making the small city an official, expanded port of entry into the United States. The senator has pushed hard for the move, and Huish has embraced it. Both of them see the plan as a way to inject economic stability into the region and possibly defang the coyotes and cartels prowling the passes.

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“What gets me about Sen. Kelly is, yes, we’re in touch with staff on the issues, but he personally calls me on a regular basis, and I feel comfortable calling him,” said Huish, who identifies as a strongly conservative Republican. “I’m sure he’s taken some heat from some of his party concerning the border, but he understands it.”

Kelly, a relative newcomer to politics, would bring to the Democratic ticket a resume as remarkable as any political consultant could dream of: He is the working-class son of New Jersey police officers, a Navy pilot who flew 39 combat missions off the USS Midway in Operation Desert Storm, and a NASA astronaut and engineer who collected debris from the Columbia disaster, commanded a shuttle as the United States returned to space and flew the Space Shuttle Endeavour’s final mission.

Oh, and he is married to Gabrielle Giffords, the former Arizona representative whose near-fatal brain injury in a mass shooting made her a symbol against gun violence, in her battleground state and beyond.

All of that could be hugely helpful to Harris as she tries to recapture momentum among working-class voters and keep Arizona, where former President Donald Trump has been gaining an edge, winnable for Democrats.

But Kelly’s special appeal, beyond what other potential running mates from swing states could provide, is his expertise on the technical issues and politics of the U.S.-Mexico border, perhaps Harris’ biggest vulnerability, his backers say.

“That’s why I appreciate Sen. Kelly: He sees the dichotomies, the differences, the challenges that are not all the same on the border,” Huish said.

A Trump supporter, Huish said he was not a fan of Harris’. “Her heart’s in the right place,” he said. “Her policies are in the wrong place.” But if Kelly joined the ticket, he said, it would cause him to “struggle a little bit” with this vote.

Other vice presidential contenders, including Gov. Andy Beshear of Kentucky and Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, have made their reputations by winning over Republican voters. Two other governors in the mix, Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania and Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, hail from states that are perhaps more crucial to Democratic fortunes than Arizona — which, while President Joe Biden carried it narrowly in 2020, was more of a capstone to his victory than a linchpin.

Kelly’s political identity is tied directly to his appeal to Republicans — not just voters but also politicians and personalities — in a state where the Grand Old Party is bitterly divided between old-line Republicans allied with the legacy of Sen. John McCain and a new guard of Trump loyalists who hold their intraparty rivals in contempt.

As a fellow Navy combat pilot, Kelly bonded with McCain well before he entered politics, when he was best known in the state as Giffords’ husband. He was elected to the Senate in 2020, beating Martha McSally, a fellow military pilot appointed to McCain’s seat after his death, and then won a full term in 2022 by defeating a Trump-backed conservative, Blake Masters, by nearly 5 percentage points.

Meghan McCain, a conservative media personality and the senator’s daughter, estimated that about 15% of Arizona Republicans remained in the McCain wing. Kelly has been “not just respectful” to her father’s legacy, she said, but “I’d go so far as deferential.”

“He’s smart, he’s charismatic, he has a vision,” Cindy McCain, McCain’s widow, said in an interview. “You look at his record and who he is as a person. He’s a very lovely man, and of course he brings Arizona.”

With Kelly’s personal history comes a mystique that cannot be manufactured. Paul Fujimura, a former Naval flight officer who flew an A-6 Intruder with Kelly for two years, remembered being asked during the Gulf War to go after an Iraqi patrol boat making a run for it out of Kuwait Harbor. Kelly wanted to attack, but that meant a hard, 135-degree turn at 200 feet above the water, under heavy antiaircraft fire, and bringing another plane that was flying cover with them. At Kelly’s order, they went ahead and sank the boat.

“To order somebody else to go forward and put their life on the line is a heavy, heavy, heavy responsibility,” said Fujimura, a senior official in the Transportation Security Administration who this weekend will take over international programs at the U.S. Naval Academy. “You’ve got to be decisive and you have to commit. It takes courage.”

During Giffords’ first House run, in 2006, women at her campaign events wanted to know if she was really dating an astronaut, and if so, what was he like. As she painstakingly recovered from her brain injury, he was seen in the state as her steadfast supporter, even from space.

His willingness to stand by — and sometimes in the shadow of — a famous political woman has not been lost on Harris’ team, Democrats say. He has ties to the vice president from their time together in the Capitol, where she has served as the tiebreaking president of the Senate. His Senate chief of staff, Jennifer Cox, came from his wife’s sprawling political operation and is on leave to lead the Harris campaign in Arizona.

His standard campaign uniform, a Navy flight jacket and ship cap, is recognizable with blue-collar audiences anywhere; he has been stumping with endangered Senate Democrats across the country. He even has cordial relations with Elon Musk, now an avatar of the right, having served on a safety panel for Musk’s company SpaceX.

And Arizona Democrats are behind him. The state party’s executive board on Wednesday formally endorsed Kelly to be the vice presidential nominee.

“It would be good for Arizona as a border state, and it would be good for our country,” said Raquel Terán, a former chair of the Arizona Democratic Party now running for the House. “He is a coalition builder and he knows how to get things done.”

Kelly, who declined to be interviewed for this article, has his drawbacks. If a Harris-Kelly ticket captured the White House, the Democratic governor of Arizona, Katie Hobbs, would appoint a Democratic replacement for Kelly in the Senate next year, but the seat would be subject to an early special election in 2026, potentially putting it at risk. (Kelly does not face reelection until 2028.)

Daniel Scarpinato, a Republican operative in the state, noted that Kelly was not a barnburner on the stump. In Washington, the senator has often been overshadowed legislatively by Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, the Democrat-turned-independent who helped craft some of Biden’s signature accomplishments, especially the infrastructure law.

Kelly has also not faced the harsh spotlight of a national campaign and has potential political liabilities, like a high-altitude surveillance balloon company he helped found with Chinese venture capital, Scarpinato said.

But like other Republicans, Scarpinato circled back to the border, and Kelly’s deft handling of it, as a huge boon to a Democratic ticket.

John Giles, the Republican mayor of Mesa, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix in critical Maricopa County, agreed.

“He’s a wonky, nerdy guy who has to know the details of how things work,” he said. “He’s not a superficial guy.”

Kelly’s approach to the border embraces barriers like Trump’s wall in some places, though not across the entire frontier. He has also called for an immigration policy that treats migrants with respect and maintains asylum options. Most of all, he has pushed back against politicians (he does not say Republicans) who have swept into Arizona’s borderlands since the George W. Bush administration, held photo opportunities and partisan news conferences, and then returned to Washington only to snuff out legislative solutions and preserve their political talking points.

Local officials say Kelly is attuned to the complexities of the issue and grasps the difference between a smuggler’s haven like Cochise County, which includes Douglas, and a major port of entry like Yuma, Arizona, where migrants cross legally, appeal for asylum and are often released pending their court date.

Douglas’ police chief, Kraig Fullen, remembered when the only border barrier between his city and its southern sister, Agua Prieta, Mexico, was a dilapidated fence. Now, there are immigration officials, surveillance cameras and a towering metal fence the color of rust.

As Mexican criminal organizations have grown more sophisticated, law enforcement officials said, their smuggling operations have, too. Sheriff’s deputies arrest people from across the country, some of them teenagers, who have been lured on social media apps like TikTok to drive migrants through the desert for a few thousand dollars a night.

When the numbers of migrants began to climb to new heights last year, a Catholic church in Douglas transformed itself into a shelter. Volunteers collected donations and helped the newcomers.

“We’re a town of 17,000,” said Huish, the Douglas mayor. “We have zero capabilities of handling even 30 people staying overnight and waiting for transport out.”

Kelly is well aware. After Biden changed the nation’s asylum policies by executive order last month to try to slow the flow of migrants, the senator called Huish to ask if the change was working. But the flow of migrants had already slowed considerably, Huish said.

Now, he was focused on restoring an orderly flow of goods and people through a formal port of entry, complete with major infrastructure improvements that his senator, Kelly, is trying to secure.

If anything, Huish said, he is worried about Trump’s promise of across-the-board tariffs on most imports, including those that would cross at a new Douglas port of entry.

“That could be a problem,” he said.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/spaceman-senator-vp-pick-kamala-190607698.html

I think Kelly would deliver Arizona to Harris and would address the Republicans main talking point: border control.

Shapiro would be an excellent choice as well. As Harris' VP he would pretty much guarantee Pennsylvania.

Love Bashir but pipe dream to think naming him VP would deliver Kentucky.

The rest would be 2nd tier in my mind. Witmer could guarantee Michigan but would create a 2 woman ticket that may cause some issue for many voters and Buttigieg is openly gay which would also cause issues for many voters (Note - not an issue for me, just my sad opinion of American voters)

None of the others bring enough cachet to the ticket.

Who I want and who I'll get are probably two different things. I want Pete

Pete is incompetent at his current job. But it's par for the course for libtards to make DEI picks instead of choosing someone based on qualifications and ability.

Oh, like Trump’s VP pick? Lmao. Dude had to grow a beard so he could stop looking 12. He changes skins like a teenager’s phone or a chameleon. Dude is pure fake, just like Trump, another conman. Scammed up and skimmed off a non-profit to launch his political career as if he was a Trumpkin. Donald’s mini-me.

He is qualified as proven by the job he has done. But you think he's not,,, PROVE IT Point to something he did poorly, And how he is a DEI Hire. Oh, because he's gay



I"m not sure that qualifies as DEI but OK,,

When Biden ran for President in 2020, he said his cabinet would look like America. Black, White, Gay, Latino, etc... He said that and did that because that's how America is made up. But the Idiot MAGA crowd is too damn dumb to realize it.



You keep riding that DEI train. You won't win with that kinda thinking. Please, keep it up.

How has Pete failed? Oh let me count the MANY MANY ways.

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ecome-political-nightmare-for-buttigieg/

https://dailyillini.com/opinions-stories/2023/01/26/pete-buttigieg-succeeds-at-failing/


https://www.axios.com/2023/01/12/buttigieg-faa-transportation-crises


https://www.newsweek.com/mayor-pete-major-problem-travel-chaos-blame-1773551

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bu...ation-secretary-prime-example-failing-up

Thats what happens when you hire people based on identity politics like the color of their skin, their gender, or who they like to screw, rather than their actual ability to do the job, and their qualifications. No wonder the Biden administration is constantly fraught with so many scandals. Your side is incompetant from the top to the bottom. Its a circus.

Andy Beshear, gov of Kentucky

Mark Kelly, senator of Arizona

Either one is a home run.

Pete and Kamala have done a great job! Just look at what they’ve accomplished:

Zero.


Pete is gay, and I respect him for coming out of the gay closet.- Extremely embarrassing for him and the people who raised him. However, we can’t, as a country, offer people leadership positions based on their sexual preferences.

Honestly says everything anyone needs to know about you. And subsequently dismiss any opinion you chose to share. Period. The end.

agreed.

Kelly is America.
And...the Kelly pick would cost nothing in the Senate, as his replacement would be chosen by a D Gov.
win/win.

Beshear is already assuming the traditional veep role of pit bull. In a recent interview, he was asked about JD Vance. Can't remember the exact quote, and don't feel like looking it up. In short, he said that Vance was anti-Trump until he became pro-Trump. "He stands for nothing. He's a man with no convictions. On the other hand, his running mate has 34 of'em."

[insert "Dam Son" meme here]

Damn, Muni.
Your world must be the shallowest, narrowest place on Planet Earth, next to perhaps The Taliban.

Da Mayor's vitae:

Harvard grad.
Oxford (Rhodes Scholar) grad.
Lieutenant, US Navy Intelligence officer, deployed to a war zone in Afghanistan.
Mayor of my Grandpa's midwestern city.
U.S. Sec of Transportation

If someone in my family accomplished even half this much by the age of 40, you'd best believe that I'd be extremely proud to mention his name at any opportunity.

On the other hand, if someone in my family expressed the type of truncated cognitive traits expressed in your post, I'd do my level best to make certain that our names were never connected.

I understand that's how you would describe a Navy veteran who graduated magna [censored] laude from Harvard in 2004, and was elected a member of Phi Beta Kappa. Buttigieg was awarded a Rhodes Scholarship to study at the University of Oxford.

Somehow you just turned that into a DEI hire. But then as trump supporter I can understand why you would despise intelligent people.

And pray they don't show up at the family reunion.

You have to remember that stupid is as stupid does. Disclaimer; Not my original material. lmao

What did I write that was so infuriating towards you? I’m a little perplexed… My uncle (Godfather) was gay. One of the nicest men that I’ve ever known. He died of the disease back in ‘89. He came out of the gay closet back in the ‘70s. Very hard for my family to deal with- I wasn’t around yet but at one point my grandfather, in front of a few people told him to “get your girlfriend (guy) and get out of the house”.
Maybe I was a little harsh or projecting a bit but it is embarrassing to a lot of parents to have raised someone in a conventional fashion and for them to be gay.
There are a lot of former Ivy League grads who become officers in the military and go on to have a career in politics. Pete had no qualifications to be in the post that he’s in now. But he’s there because he’s openly gay. - Admit it. As for his personal life and all of his accomplishments, my hat goes off to him.
Sorry guys.

If Kamala picks Mark Kelly, Gabby Giffords can make a grazed ear look like the flesh wound it was.

😂 I forgot how funny those movies were. Those and Police Academy with Captain Mauser. 😂

Going to college doesn't make you qualified for anything except an entry level job doing whatever. He has no job experience and it shows, at his current job.

Coming from someone who claims a successful businessman is someone that has filed bankruptcy 6 times, had his business fined over 350 million and had his charity shut down for being crooked that's pretty rich. Maybe if Pete had failed more you would think he was better qualified. I mean it seems to have worked for trump.

Once again, you take the L for whatabouts. And you lie as I never claimed that.

Eve, does this mean that you consider trump an absolute failure as a business man?

Youre just as bad as pit, putting words in my mouth. Why dont your worry as much about Pete being an utter failure

I didn't put any words in your mouth. I asked a question.

You replied that you never said he was a successful business man. I aske if you considered him a failure as a business man

It's one ir the other. I am just asking you to clarify your position.

My position is that he earned billions in business so he must be doing something right. Certainly he has accomplished far more in his life than pete and kamala put together. Those two have done nothing. Those two are clueless.

Libtards who have never been in business will cry giant tears about his businesses that failed while ignoring his businesses that succeeded. 3.5 billion is a lot of succeeding.

Oh excuse me, My bad. He is worth 7.7 billion up from 4.6 billion last year. Thats a lot of succeeding.

It gets even better, Trump currently owns around 250 businesses. So pit crying about 6 failed businesses is such a joke. He has NEVER filed for personal bankruptcy. Trump is a massive business success by all standards. pit is accumulating so many L's lately. hahahahaha

Just Clicking

Maybe someday we'll be big enough, smart enough, wise enough and lucky enough to realize that we need to hire (elect) people to do a job they are qualified for regardless of their color or sexual orientation. I'll put Petes background against anyone and I'm certain he'll fair pretty well. (eye of the beholder I guess) But if being a Veteran counts, he's got it, if being a harvard Grad counts, he's got it. If a Successful run as Mayor of a medium sized city counts, he's got it. And if Sec Trans matters, NOBODY can tell me he's NOT done a good job... He's got that.

I can't wait for the day that some people GROW up. And quit being Racist and Homophobic.

Hey Ostrich, how's it going? I see you still have your head in sand at all of pete's fails at his current job. You wanted evidence of his fails. I linked several articles for you to read. Still in denial? You lie as much as the politicians, Pete has zero job experience preparing him for the job, thats why he fails. Maybe biden should have hired someone with experience in the actual transportation industry. But no, it was a DEI hire.

You'll put Pete's background against anyone?? Like, in politics? Like, competent of running a country capable?

You're sure as heck right about "eye of the beholder". You must love you some bridges. 👊

Biden couldn’t hire the best. donny already had… and then fired them… then hired more of the best… but fired them too.

Personal bankruptcy…. Nice qualifier… Meaning that you drain all the money into your personal or other business accounts and let the creditors gnaw on the remains.

So there are consequential bankruptcies because Don the Con stiffs others on his debts. It’s an “asset accumulation” strategy...

File under things that normal people do not do..

Lots of "normal people" have been "stiffing others with their debts" with the student loan forgiveness scam. That's also an "asset (vote) accumulation" strategy for Biden-Harris. Using people's taxes to pay off the debt of people that will vote for you is a very "Trumpian" tactic. But, hey, that's just "business" (politics) as usual.


Most businesses in the US fail. That would also seem to indicate a degree of "normalcy."

Should I go on to home foreclosure rates, another example of "normal people" not paying their debts?


I am not a fan of laying off debt, but it seems pretty normal now.

So then you are saying that he is a successful business man

Perhaps she is. But then, you didn't define success the BS way Pit tried to before trying to pass it off as someone else's claim that spawned your initial question.