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In today's world it is difficult to find TRUTH- he said/she said- I know both sides distort the truth for THEIR purpose, here is a example for the "truth social"/ right side of society.....funny they are always talking about stolen/fake, check out the video.

Great thread. This will get a lot of action!

Your tactic does work on republicans if you keep telling that lie over and over again. A proven trump tactic.....

Harris’ immigration role

Trump claimed of Harris: “She was the border czar, but she never went to the border.”

Facts First: Trump made two false claims here. First, Harris did go to the border as vice president, in Texas in mid-2021; many Republicans had criticized Harris prior to the visit for not having gone, and some later argued that she didn’t go frequently enough, but the claim that she “never” went has not been true for more than three years. Second, Harris was never made Biden’s “border czar,” a label the White House has always emphasized is inaccurate. In reality, Biden gave Harris a more limited immigration-related assignment in 2021, asking her to lead diplomacy with El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras in an attempt to address the conditions that prompted their citizens to try to migrate to the United States.

Some Republicans have scoffed this week at assertions that Harris was never the “border czar,” noting on social media that news articles sometimes described Harris as such. But those articles were wrong. Various news outlets, including CNN, reported as early as the first half of 2021 that the White House emphasized that Harris had not been put in charge of border security as a whole, as “border czar” strongly suggests, and had instead been handed a diplomatic task related to Central American countries.

A White House “fact sheet” in July 2021 said: “On February 2, 2021, President Biden signed an Executive Order that called for the development of a Root Causes Strategy. Since March, Vice President Kamala Harris has been leading the Administration’s diplomatic efforts to address the root causes of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.”

Biden’s own comments at a March 2021 event announcing the assignment were slightly more muddled, but he said he had asked Harris to lead “our diplomatic effort” to address factors causing migration in the three “Northern Triangle” countries (he also mentioned Mexico that day). Biden listed factors in these countries he thought had led to migration and said that “if you deal with the problems in-country, it benefits everyone.” And Harris’ comments that day were focused squarely on “root causes.”

Republicans can fairly say that even “root causes” work is a border-related task. But calling her “border czar” goes too far.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/25/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claims-kamala-harris/index.html

It's been clear since 2021 that Harris was never the "border czar" but in 2024 trump and his supporters keep spreading that lie.

It's kind of odd how Republicans call places like CNN fake news right up until they use them as a source to make a false assertion. Then suddenly their headlines are accurate and the truth be damned? Same as it ever was.

Cool story.

What was her job then? That was the only one ever publicized.

Here's Kamala taking responsibility by telling us everything was fine at the border. Remember? Everything was great until 10 million crossed. Now everyone is hellbent on absolving Kamala for a problem that never even existed! Weird!

Doesn’t matter if she was or not. Goper’s torpedoed any chance of getting something done on immigration months ago, but their memory is worst then trumps.

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It absolutely matters. This thread is about media lies and deflection..... Biden 100% said Harris was the Border Tzar. Media spinning it away is the whole point of the thread...... The Republicans preventing Biden's administration from achieving anything is a different subject - equally important but different.

I provided you with exactly what her job was......


Her actual duties were spelled out back in July of 2021. As such......

U.S. VP Harris highlights $4.2 bln private sector investment in Central America

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...r-investment-central-america-2023-02-06/

I know that actual fact sheets from the White House and Biden's own words don't mean anything to those who wish to ignore that and write some fake agenda though.

To prevent people form fleeing their own countries and trying to come here, the long term solution is to provide jobs in their own countries.

Now one could call that a border czar. And if that's what your definition of what her duties were you would be accurate using that term. Trying to paint some faux picture that it somehow meant something other than that is the issue.

I went in search of a direct quote... Couldn't find one. I might be the victim of hearing the same lie said over and over and eventually believing it?

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-kamala-harris-assigned-to-tackle-immig/

If there is direct quote saying Harris was in charge of border immigration and be happy to see it or read it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56516332

"US President Joe Biden has put Vice-President Kamala Harris in charge of controlling migration at the southern border following a big influx of new arrivals."

"Announcing Ms Harris's appointment as his immigration czar, Mr Biden told reporters and officials at the White House: "She's the most qualified person to do it, to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle [Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador], and the countries that are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks - stemming the migration to our southern border".

And, just for anyhow.........remember the outrage when Trump was president about THIS EXACT SAME THING? Earlier this week, pictures that emerged from a detention centre in Texas showed children huddled together in crowded makeshift rooms. They were sleeping on thin mattresses on the floor under foil blankets.

The government-run tent city in Donna at the US-Mexico border, is reportedly housing 1,000 people.

The photos, said to have been taken last weekend, also raised concerns over how much social distancing was taking place at the centre.
Reuters Migrants at the US Customs and Border Protection temporary processing centre in Donna, Texas, 22 March 2021Reuters
Young migrants at the crowded facility in Donna are separated by plastic sheeting

Journalists have not been allowed inside the detention centres since Mr Biden took office, although the White House has said that they will be.

I guess the picture didn't show up. Read the article, you'll find the picture.

We all know that article changes what Biden said her responsibilities actually were all the way back to when she was given those responsibilities back in 2021.

That article quoted biden.

Yes it did. And the portion where they quoted biden says exactly what I have been claiming all along. From your own source........


You do realize that means to find a solution to stopping people from leaving their own countries to come to our border, right? Doing things like helping provide jobs where they live. A long term solution to stop the flow of immigrants from their countries instead of continuing to put band aids on the problem. That's what a long term solution to the problem looks like.

They know that she’s unfit. However, given Joe’s decline, they had to replace him and, unfortunately for them, couldn’t pass her over out of fear of overtures of racism and sexism. Irony at its finest.

Rather than acknowledge that she’s clearly the most incompetent and unfit vice president ever, they want to erase her neglect.

Bottom line, whoever she picks as a vp will clearly come across as more competent than her. - Which is why she’ll choose a, well you know. - Someone like Trump and JD.

Meanwhile, all the Donald needs to do is remind people of the prices of gas, food, etc. when he was president. Also remind them of the secure border, and overall support for law and order when he was the top Man.

Let me remind you, you supported a man as some business genius who had filed for bankruptcy 6 times. Who now has now been convicted on 34 felony counts. Who a jury found to be a sexual predator. A man with his convictions record wouldn't be allowed in the military and somehow you think he's fit to be the commander in chief of the military. Whose charity was shut down for corruption and whose main business was fined more than 350 million dollars.

He also reminds them of Jan. 6th and trying to overthrow the 2020 election.

What were you saying about a candidate being unfit again?

The term border czar or immigration czar was not coined by the Trump campaign. It was given to her by Biden and repeated by multiple news outlets, both written and electronic ,for a number of years. Why. Because it made her sound important, that she was doing something vital, protecting our border. So why is the same lefty lame stream media, ( aka democratic national communications team), doing everything they can to erase all mention of border czar?? Because she was an incompetent failure. The Biden/harris/mayorkas team has decimated, destroyed our border. Turned it into an imaginary line in the sand. So now that she is the media’s candidate for president they will do everything possible to erase the history of border czar from the record. Hopefully the repubs won’t let them do that. She should wear that tag for the duration.

Arch posted the article that told the truth. You ignored the fact that Biden labeled her the immigration czar. You were focused on at least part of her assignment, reducing flow of people from the northern triangle. That was her job according to you and Biden. So how did she do at her assignment pit?? Can you tell us if she was successful? Well, I can tell you. She was horrible. In trumps four years there were 1.8 million illegals from the northern triangle who showed up at our border. During the Biden 3.6 years we have had 4.2 million illegals show up at our border. Boy what a whiz bang at her job!!! lol!!!

I do find it somewhat ironic, pit , to find you, the great purveyor of misinformation on dawgtalkers, aka lies commenting on fake news. You spread misinformation, lied, for eight years so I guess that should make you an expert.

Yes, the article arch posted told the truth. Obviously even when you read the truth you can't see it. Here's exactly what biden stated her job was......


Her job was to help those nations figure out how to stop so many people from leaving their countries to head for our border. Is English your second language?

To help in that regard those countries need jobs for their citizens so they won't feel the need to come here for viable work.

U.S. VP Harris highlights $4.2 bln private sector investment in Central America

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...r-investment-central-america-2023-02-06/

I know in your attempt to attack the messenger the actual message is hard for you to understand.

It isn’t “attacking the messenger “ to acknowledge who you are and what you are willing to do to make a point. You are the one who was untruthful for years so you just have to live with it.

So her job is to “ stem the migration to our southern border”. Your answer seems to be yes, she was successful because she got $4 billion sent to the northern triangle. Where did that money go? Probably no one knows, but most money sent to these s hole countries ends up in the pockets of politicians and rich people. I am sure the u.s. has sent billions to these countries in the past wiith minimal, if any results.

Unlike you , I would not use a dumb stat like dollars sent to measure success. You do because there is no measure of success you can demonstrate. What we can show is that 2.5 times more northern triangle illegals showed up at our border after Harris’s magnificent efforts than during the Trump era. I know you want to ignore that, just like you usually ignore the pesky truth when it does not suit you.

Pit playing contrarian to something we all watched with our own eyes. Trying to separate her from unmitigated disaster on some awkward technicality.

Dude would argue that water's not wet if it would allow him to make love to his keyboard for 35 free posts.

I think Pit explained it perfectly, it's a shame you won't or can't accept it as fact.

Please show me where Biden called her the Border Czar?

This is the quote from Arch's post:

Announcing Ms Harris's appointment as his immigration czar, Mr Biden told reporters and officials at the White House: "She's the most qualified person to do it, to lead our efforts with Mexico and the Northern Triangle [Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador], and the countries that are going to need help in stemming the movement of so many folks - stemming the migration to our southern border".

SO - "Border Czar" seems to be a media name / appointment. Because the media likes cute names for things/titles etc. What Biden actually said and is quoted as saying is that Harris is going to be given the job of trying to stem the migration on the Southern Border.

You can play semantics and say Biden didn't use that specific title - or you can look at what he said and acknowledge that regardless of the title, Biden wanted Harris to be responsible for - in charge of - help - work on ... or any other choice of description for "take care of" or "reduce" ) the immigration.

As I already said - whether the |Republicans worked towards thwarting any of her efforts or the efforts of the Biden administration is a different issue.

j/c...

This is a perfect microcosm of the problems in this country. People arguing about the stupidest of talking points. Biden jumped out and reversed every border policy from the previous administration.

BECAUSE - TRUMP.

This admin has failed the country in the biggest way with their lax approach to a problem that became a crisis, became a disaster, became an American tragedy.

Kamala played a large role in this disaster because she did nothing, which is evident over the timeline. Just watch her "I haven't been to Europe either" interview with Lester Holt. He's stating "we have a problem". She's saying "no big deal". That's what this admin said for 3.5 years -- no big deal, the border is secure.

Actually GAF whether she was called a border czar, an immigration czar, or Ronald Mc(F)Donald shows that the constant ignorance of responsibility will. not. stop.

Nobody is this stupid. She failed miserably in providing help with the border crisis. Is that better for everybody? We'll just say "she was supposed to help with the problem". You can't tell me that's pushing the envelope too far.

How did that work out? DISASTER.

Can you tell me how in any way the BS you just posted changes the very description of the job biden assigned Kamala to carry out? No, you can't.

It was made very clear that her responsibilities were to work on the root causes of why immigrants leave their countries to come here. To try and stem them from leaving their own countries. That is the long term solution to stopping the immigration problem.

No matter how much BS you toss around and no matter how hard you alt right wingers team up, nothing will change that. What some of you are doing is trying to make an argument that simply doesn't exist. The fact you can't show otherwise and know that's true leaves you with the only thing you have left. Attack the person who has made that clear. It's the trumpian way.

I can tell you I don't care about the damned job description. This admin presided over a disaster and told us "nothing to see here" for over three years. She's included in that disaster and repeated those sentiments for years. From the very beginning Biden said she was his partner in handling this "complex issue". Day one. He said there was no one he trusted more.

I really don't care that her "job description" was to write billions of dollars in checks and encourage "partners" to try to mitigate the flow. It didn't work, and she shares responsibility. If she was any bit of a leader at all, she would admit that failure and admit that responsibility. Instead we have Pit@Dawgtalkers and millions of others insisting none of it was her problem or her failure.

Once again from your own source....


She did visit the border. She also worked to help address the Northern triangle. She helped get 4.2 billion in commitments from private industry to help bring jobs into the Northern triangle. That's how you stop people from coming to our southern border and the crowds at the border. Help stabilize those countries and provide jobs to their people. I have no idea why you would post a link that says exactly what I've been saying.

I'm not sure why it's such a difficult concept to understand. If you can stop people from coming to the border in the first place, that solves the border crisis.

That was in May 2021. Ten million have crossed the border.

And you call this a solution and a win.

So, wait. Someone in here said SHE spent 4.2 billion. Now it's "she helped get 4.2 billion in commitments from PRIVATE industry....."

I thought shipping jobs out of the country was a bad thing? But, now it's a good thing?

Companies only did this for 1 reason: To lower the cost of producing. Period.

But, now it's the job of the U.S. to create jobs in other countries in order to prevent illegals from coming here?

I can't keep up.

There are two things going on here at the same time. Currently we have a problem with millions coming to our southern border. That's the immediate issue. I think the biden administration failed at addressing that problem until it was too late.

Then there is addressing the issue for the long term. Solving the root cause of why they're coming here in the first place. If you can prevent them from coming here in the first place that solves the problem all together.

That takes billions being invested in jobs in those countries. Once private industry commits to creating those jobs it takes years to build the the buildings and have those jobs created. That takes a long time. It doesn't address the short term problem but it helps solve it in the long term. That was what Kamala was assigned to work on. And that's the problem we have in many cases. Some people think a short term band aid will solve a long term problem. An entire new immigration bill and a long term plan to provide jobs in the countries people are fleeing to come here to work is a long term solution, not a short term solution.

The sad part is I'm sure you're fully aware of that while pretending not to be.

Who said she spent 4.2 million? If they did they were incorrect. You can't send jobs that don't exist somewhere else. Yes, corporations did away with jobs in America to cut labor costs. You seem to be confusing shipping existing jobs out of the country and the creation of new jobs. And who said these corporations were all American corporations or are currently providing any American jobs as of now?

Are you serious? You can't be serious with this post.

Wow.

I'm aware of a lot of things. Including the fact that Obama had Biden in the check-writing role during his administration.

"It takes years" doesn't hold water when the situation gets worse and worse and, during this administration has become an unmitigated disaster. So far that 4.2 has created 15,000 jobs. That's $2.8 million per job. Meanwhile 10 million have crossed the border. Seems like the 15,000 jobs aren't helping. Seems like "root causes" is a [censored] excuse for not enforcing policy at the root of the problem -- people illegally crossing the border.

This argument is akin to me wondering why my house has been robbed so many times and thinking an apt solution would be to put free sh*t out by the road.

Don't worry. We've committed 4B of your tax dollars as well during this administration -- almost like we're playing a matching game. And team Biden (whatever that means anymore) has requested $740 million more in 2024.

And we don't really need jobs here, do we? We have plenty of "newcomers" to take them if we do.

I'm sorry you have chosen to use a microscope and are incapable of using a telescope. And I love the "so far" part of trying to undermine how many jobs that 4.2 billion will create.

There is long term solution but that takes an investment of time to solve. If you're ever going to solve it, it has to start somewhere. I understand that some prefer we never solve the problem of why people are coming here in the first place so millions coming to our border can be a perpetual political football.

And businesses in America keep hiring illegal workers. But I understand how much you and other Americans want to mow lawns or work in a meat processing plant. We all have our dreams.

Yet another thing you always ignore while pointing the finger at biden. American businesses keep hiring illegals day after day and have been doing so for many years through multiple administrations. Yet none of them seem focused on enforce that they raid these businesses and heavily punishing them for it. Because if immigrants couldn't get those jobs most of them wouldn't come here in the first place.

I know, I know. That means nothing to you and some others.

Well, whether you will admit it or not, this paints a perfect picture of the failure of this administration.

Crisis at the border NOW. Solutions that provide no results for ten years.

No one needs a telescope to see the millions crossing the border. Thanks for helping to prove my point.

#soeasy

You must have missed where I said in an earlier post just today that the biden administration failed at controlling the border. But I'm not surprised by that.

However you continue to neglect how important it is in the long term to stem the tide of them leaving their own country to come here. Jobs. Until that is solved there will never be an end to the origin of the problem.

And average Americans are helping add to that problem. Go into any subdivision. Look at and listen to the workers who are roofing their houses, pouring their concrete, hanging their siding and doing their lawn care. If people simply looked around them they could see there are a lot of reasons for our immigration problem.

The demented one is telling Goper’s they won’t need to vote anymore after this election.

Well DUH! Dictator on day one.