I think this is the first time Trump had to face some pointed questions. He tries to deflect or attack the interviewer, but Rachael Scott (ABC) seemed to be better prepared.
Superbowldog is right. Don't watch the commentary. Go find the link. It should be all over the internet and news by now.
Notice how the moment Kamala was front and center, they went straight into the identity politics and personal attacks.
Hardly any attacks of policy, just a bunch of sexist and racist comments.
I see why men, especially right wing men, are becoming more lonely and incels. Who would want to date a bunch of of angry hateful dudes like that?
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Well if the Cartier family and Monique said it... it must be true right?
Let me know who they are ... hoping they aren't complete Randos because I'm sure you wouldn't post rando comments from rando individuals to make a political point.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Notice how the moment Kamala was front and center, they went straight into the identity politics and personal attacks.
Hardly any attacks of policy, just a bunch of sexist and racist comments.
I see why men, especially right wing men, are becoming more lonely and incels. Who would want to date a bunch of of angry hateful dudes like that?
...because the left's attacks on Trump/Vance are so focused on the politics. (This isn't a defense of the right. Just pointing out that identity politics and personal attacks seem to be used to motivate voters on both sides more than actual talk of platform. Though, I'm sure you won't want to admit it.)
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Well if the Cartier family and Monique said it... it must be true right?
Let me know who they are ... hoping they aren't complete Randos because I'm sure you wouldn't post rando comments from rando individuals to make a political point.
Many people can look at the context and decide if something adds up for themselves. I understand that some people need "celebrities" to feed them their "truth."
You mess with the "Bull," you get the horns. Fiercely Independent.
Well if the Cartier family and Monique said it... it must be true right?
Let me know who they are ... hoping they aren't complete Randos because I'm sure you wouldn't post rando comments from rando individuals to make a political point.
They are completely randos for the most part just with a large X following. They are completely randos like you and I and are entitled to breakdown any opinion(s) how they see fit. You just don't like it because they aren't parroting the same nonsense over and over again and it disagrees with what you want to see/hear. Or dare I say what you expect to hear/see from young black men.
I do find it funny the attempt to discredit their takes by calling them 'complete randos". I guess it's better than saying "If you don't vote Democrat, you ain't Black."
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
to be fair... she mainly identified as an PSI until she started using her father's side and dropped that she was of Indian descent.
Yes, that's why she went to a historically black college, Howard University.....................
Fact check: Trump’s lie that Harris ‘all of a sudden’ embraced a Black identity
Former President Donald Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, drew gasps on Wednesday when he said at the National Association of Black Journalists convention that Vice President Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic nominee, had suddenly adopted a Black identity.
Harris’ father is from Jamaica, her late mother from India. Trump claimed: “I’ve known her a long time, indirectly, not directly very much, and she was always of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn’t know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black, and now she wants to be known as Black. So I don’t know, is she Indian, or is she Black?”
As one of the journalists who was interviewing Trump on stage tried to tell him that Harris had always identified as Black and had attended a historically Black college, Trump continued, “I respect either one, but she obviously doesn’t. Because she was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden, she made a turn, and she went – she became a Black person. And I think somebody should look into that, too.”
Trump’s comments prompted immediate bipartisan criticism. Leaving aside the issue of the appropriateness of the remarks, his claims are just not true.
Facts First: Trump’s claims are false. Harris did not “all of a sudden” begin identifying as Black. She has embraced and discussed her Black identity for decades, beginning long before she became a political candidate, while also honoring her South Asian heritage.
Harris graduated in 1986 from Howard University, a historically Black institution where she was a member of a historically Black sorority. After that, she was elected president of the association of Black law students in her second year at the University of California, Hastings College of the Law, she wrote in her 2019 memoir.
Politico reported in 2021 that, as a third-year student at the law school in 1989, Harris rose to speak against anti-Black racism at a campus demonstration prompted by the discovery of racist vandalism. Politico reported: “For Black students, she said, according to archives of the Hastings Law News, the cartoon was an example of ‘what we deal with all the time.’”
A profile of Harris in the publication AsianWeek in 2003, when she was running for San Francisco district attorney, was focused on her South Asian heritage. But it quoted Harris discussing her father as “a Black man” and saying, “I grew up with a strong Indian culture, and I was raised in a Black community. All my friends were Black and we got together and cooked Indian food and painted henna on our hands, and I never felt uncomfortable with my cultural background.”
Harris’ official online biography in 2005 as San Francisco district attorney referred to her as “the first African American woman in California to hold the office” and noted that she had attended “America’s oldest black university.” She wrote in a 2009 book about her childhood trips to both India and Jamaica, where, she wrote, “my father and uncles would talk to us about the complicated struggles of the people of Jamaica - the history of slavery, colonialism, and immigration.”
Her official online biography as California attorney general referred to her as “the first African American woman and South Asian American woman in California to hold the office” of San Francisco district attorney. In 2017, her first year as a US senator for California, she spoke about how she was “the second Black woman elected to the United States Senate.”
Harris wrote in the 2019 memoir about how her mother’s family instilled her and her sister Maya with “pride in our South Asian roots,” but also that “my mother understood very well that she was raising two black daughters. She knew that her adopted homeland would see Maya and me as black girls, and she was determined to make sure we would grow into confident, proud black women.”
Harris said in another 2017 speech: “Look at my own life, where a daughter of a South Asian mother and a Jamaican father concluded her own interfaith wedding with her husband breaking a glass and everyone yelling, ‘Mazel tov.’”
A litany of Trump false claims
Trump made numerous other false claims in his remarks at the Wednesday gathering. Among other claims we have fact-checked before, Trump:
- Wrongly referred to Harris as President Joe Biden’s “border czar.” Her actual immigration-related assignment from Biden, to lead a diplomatic effort to tackle “root causes” of migration in three Central American countries, was much more limited.
- Falsely claimed that the US has its worst inflation in “over 100 years.” Even at its 9.1% peak during the Biden presidency, inflation was at about a 41-year high, and it has since plummeted to 3%.
- Falsely claimed he was “protected” under the Presidential Records Act for taking official documents after his presidency. That law actually requires presidents to return all documents to the federal government when they leave office.
- Falsely claimed that “everybody,” including Democrats, wanted Roe v. Wade overturned and the issue of abortion policy returned to individual states. In fact, polls have consistently shown about two-thirds of the public as a whole and an even higher percentage of Democrats had wanted Roe to be preserved.
- Repeated his never-substantiated claim about foreign countries opening up their prisons to allow criminals to migrate to the US.
- Falsely claimed that Haris “didn’t pass” the bar exam. Harris failed on her first attempt, which is common in California, but then passed; she was admitted to the California bar in 1990, the year after she graduated from law school. (Trump, appearing to respond to an objection from someone in the crowd, conceded a bit later that Harris “maybe” had passed.)
- Falsely claimed that “nobody died” on January 6, 2021. Four Trump supporters at the Capitol died that day, three from medical emergencies and one after she was shot by police while trying to break into a sensitive part of the building. (Trump mentioned the shooting right before he claimed nobody died.) In addition, Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick, who was attacked with pepper spray during the riot, died after suffering strokes the next day; the medical examiner found that Sicknick died of natural causes, but also told The Washington Post that “all that transpired played a role in his condition.”
Notice how the moment Kamala was front and center, they went straight into the identity politics and personal attacks.
Hardly any attacks of policy, just a bunch of sexist and racist comments.
I see why men, especially right wing men, are becoming more lonely and incels. Who would want to date a bunch of of angry hateful dudes like that?
...because the left's attacks on Trump/Vance are so focused on the politics. (This isn't a defense of the right. Just pointing out that identity politics and personal attacks seem to be used to motivate voters on both sides more than actual talk of platform. Though, I'm sure you won't want to admit it.)
Just remember, Black jobs are jobs that people have! What a freaking moron this idiot is. Geez... Can't imagine anyone wanting to vote for a convicted felon for President.
#GMSTRONG
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Well if the Cartier family and Monique said it... it must be true right?
Let me know who they are ... hoping they aren't complete Randos because I'm sure you wouldn't post rando comments from rando individuals to make a political point.
Many people can look at the context and decide if something adds up for themselves. I understand that some people need "celebrities" to feed them their "truth."
You can go Troll and Gaslight someone else. It's no whether something adds up or not ... and let me know any time I quoted a "celebrity" - or if you are just confused - or just gaslighting and making things up again.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Well if the Cartier family and Monique said it... it must be true right?
Let me know who they are ... hoping they aren't complete Randos because I'm sure you wouldn't post rando comments from rando individuals to make a political point.
They are completely randos for the most part just with a large X following. They are completely randos like you and I and are entitled to breakdown any opinion(s) how they see fit. You just don't like it because they aren't parroting the same nonsense over and over again and it disagrees with what you want to see/hear. Or dare I say what you expect to hear/see from young black men.
I do find it funny the attempt to discredit their takes by calling them 'complete randos". I guess it's better than saying "If you don't vote Democrat, you ain't Black."
So to add to my response above - and to answer your accusations or insinuations:
It's not about the views expressed. It's not about whether they agree or disagree with my point of view or perspective or political opinion. I've never once suggested anyone should not or could not hold differing opinions. I actually think different opinions and perspectives are a good thing on the whole.
However I have posted numerous times about Faux News - and MSNBC - and any other biased media site masquerading as 'News' when they find random opinions posted online, normally by complete idiots or extremists, and then make an article about how this represents all 'liberals' or all 'republicans'. It's a nonsense. It's actually ten times worse than sport journalists who report on a story saying "It's being reported that" when the source of the reporting is some random 'fan' or a report that doesn't list a source and is simple speculation.
The people in these videos have an opinion no more or less relevant than 10's millions of other internet users. Posting random feeds from your echo chamber of social media sources doesn't - in my opinion - mean diddly squat. And that doesn't matter if it's a Trump perspective or some Biden/Harris loving Liberal.
But having explained all that - I get that it's much more 'gotcha' and troll like to simply claim I didn't like what they said or that somehow I think someone ain't black if they *dont* vote Dem.
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
All I have to say is that dinners at the Harris house would have been interesting... Jamacian/Indian fusion is something that is difficult to imaging...
There are just as many videos, where Kamala identifies as black as well.
My first impression when I heard this "identifies as Indian" was that it was not true. It is easily countered.
Trump loves to stoke this fire, it keeps his name in the news.
You made a great post there even though our opinions can vary greatly at times. But as you can clearly see someone will simply pluck a single line out of it and try to ignore the full content. Same as it ever was.....
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Posting random feeds from your echo chamber of social media sources doesn't - in my opinion - mean diddly squat.
If that's how you feel, then they're responses to the video mean just as much as yours.....diddly squat.
Yep - if you don't like my opinion or want to ignore it - then for sure you can say it means Diddly Squat.
What you are desperately trying to avoid acknowledging though - my opinions are just that, my opinions. Sometimes written in haste or on a phone and not communicated well, other times I have time to express them better/fully. Either way, what I post here is my opinion not someone else's opinion. What YOU did and most frequently seem to do is take things from your echo chamber of social media feeds and cut and paste them here. One is different than the other.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of my fellow Republicans are using this line of attack. It’s just stupid. This probably started from Trump. Harris has many positions that are not what I would call mainstream. Attack her record, not if she has been unauthentic.
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of my fellow Republicans are using this line of attack. It’s just stupid. This probably started from Trump. Harris has many positions that are not what I would call mainstream. Attack her record, not if she has been unauthentic.
Because the Republican Party knows who’s a significant percentage of their voting base, regardless of some of the Republican voters want to admit it or not. So guess what line of attack a good portion of your fellow republican voters love?
What did you expect? The guy who pushed the birther conspiracy against Obama to actually mature and be a better person? lol
Remember, that’s a big reason he became the GOP nominee in 2016. That’s what got him to represent your party. Good ole fashion racism. Don’t act surprised.
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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of my fellow Republicans are using this line of attack. It’s just stupid. This probably started from Trump. Harris has many positions that are not what I would call mainstream. Attack her record, not if she has been unauthentic.
Because the Republican Party knows who’s a significant percentage of their voting base, regardless of some of the Republican voters want to admit it or not. So guess what line of attack a good portion of your fellow republican voters love?
What did you expect? The guy who pushed the birther conspiracy against Obama to actually mature and be a better person? lol
Remember, that’s a big reason he became the GOP nominee in 2016. That’s what got him to represent your party. Good ole fashion racism. Don’t act surprised.
Along the lines of what you wrote as well as Woofer above you... this is the kind of content the party as a whole seems to gravitate towards. Look at the major players in the Republican party, and you see people that use identity politics as the major crux of what they are trying to push. It's what you get when you have ineffectual leadership that is trying to look like they're doing something as well as pandering to their base. I get that people are fed up with Democrats, but at some point the bar needs to be raised higher than "the other guy is bad".
I'm with you guys... it's pathetic that they seem to be sticking with identity politics vs blasting Kamala on her record.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Posting random feeds from your echo chamber of social media sources doesn't - in my opinion - mean diddly squat.
If that's how you feel, then they're responses to the video mean just as much as yours.....diddly squat.
Yep - if you don't like my opinion or want to ignore it - then for sure you can say it means Diddly Squat.
What you are desperately trying to avoid acknowledging though - my opinions are just that, my opinions. Sometimes written in haste or on a phone and not communicated well, other times I have time to express them better/fully. Either way, what I post here is my opinion not someone else's opinion. What YOU did and most frequently seem to do is take things from your echo chamber of social media feeds and cut and paste them here. One is different than the other.
The other difference is that you post you opinion as your opinion. He posts random other people's opinions then acts like that is the final and definitive word on a topic.
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Posting random feeds from your echo chamber of social media sources doesn't - in my opinion - mean diddly squat.
If that's how you feel, then they're responses to the video mean just as much as yours.....diddly squat.
Yep - if you don't like my opinion or want to ignore it - then for sure you can say it means Diddly Squat.
What you are desperately trying to avoid acknowledging though - my opinions are just that, my opinions. Sometimes written in haste or on a phone and not communicated well, other times I have time to express them better/fully. Either way, what I post here is my opinion not someone else's opinion. What YOU did and most frequently seem to do is take things from your echo chamber of social media feeds and cut and paste them here. One is different than the other.
The other difference is that you post you opinion as your opinion. He posts random other people's opinions then acts like that is the final and definitive word on a topic.
I don't understand this line of thinking. Memphis' posts aren't as viable because he shares the opinion of others? It's smarter if you type it yourself? And the last sentence is first-class trash, he basically refuted that exact sentiment and said the opposite. Twice.
For the life of me I don’t understand why some of my fellow Republicans are using this line of attack. It’s just stupid. This probably started from Trump. Harris has many positions that are not what I would call mainstream. Attack her record, not if she has been unauthentic.
You're a good and intelligent poster, P. You and I probably agree on the issues and policies way more than we disagree. What you just said, though, is largely one of the reasons I left the Republican party. They started losing me with the bailouts during the Great Recession, and then more so around 2013, with the rise of the TEA Party that drove Boehner bat-poop crazy. J6 I felt was the worst it got, and the short/selective memory of some continues to baffle me.
It is almost entirely about personality politics now. Gone are the days when it was about keeping the spending in line, keeping the government small, fostering competition, and enforcing personal and corporate responsibility. I don't really see that being a central platform right now at all. Hell, I even asked an ardently Conservative poster on here what policies they liked about the prospective Trump administration. What followed was a very artful dodge and a retort that there are better things to do than post on here, before said poster then spent an eternity lobbing childish personal attacks. I know that doesn't represent a very large contingent of people who identify as Republican or conservative (I see the two very differently now), but like Swish and Oober said, it is indicative of a frenzied base that many on the far right, along with 45 himself, continually feed.
I've vowed to post less in this forum for a couple reasons, but one of them is seeing just how poor the reactions were to the Trump shooting. Man, that was a rock bottom in observing American political reactions.
I always appreciate your observations though, and those of the several posters that followed you, so I thought I might chime in, plus I think your bafflement is something that plagued me for quite some time, so I felt compelled to share.
It’s become a “race to the bottom” if you will, when all you have to do instead is just point out the obvious flaws and propose better, substantive solutions, which really isn’t hard, or at least it shouldn’t be. Even many on the left in here have pointed out Harris’ flaws and shortcomings. It should be an obvious strategy, but I guess fervor and overreaction gives the actual guy in charge more of a narcissistic dopamine shot. JMHO. Take care, good sir.
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